Breaking: Michael Moore will Live Chat on C&L Sunday 4-5PM ET
By John Amato Friday Jul 20, 2007 10:14pm
Michael Moore will be joining C&L for a Sunday afternoon chat about his new movie "Sicko" and whatever else comes up in the comment thread. The movie has opened in about 500 new cities across the country this weekend and is the # 5 grossing documentary of all time so far......
It should be a fun time for all...









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FRIST!
WOOT!
Congrats to C&L
radical news,, and please please C&L post the video for us in eruope to see too!!
i look forward to this !!!!
Still haven't seen it, but will soon, along with 3-4 other family members.
Universal Healthcare for all WITHOUT corporatized profito-bureaucracy!!!
Cool. I was on Apple Trailers today. A shit load of movies are documentaries including one from Ron Howard. Do you think it has anything to do with Moore's success of telling stories?
YES!
WHOA!!!
Mr. Big is in the building! Cool!
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miss_kitty @ 2:
That bein' Kittyspeak fer second? ;)
I'll be here tomorrow with bells on. Nothin' but bells.
It would be nice if C&L would Webcam the interview and then archive it.
Ask Michael if he is going to eventually stream the documentary from his site or YouTube!
Cool!
Woo Hoo! :grin:
Cool! :cool:
Got a point to make here guys.
A documentary is a documentary, even if that documentary is even the slightest or heaviest bit biased. It's still a documentary. It's a film style, not a political affiliation.
Just keep this in mind when arguing with Moore-foes about the success of his films - even if every single thing in his film is factually incorrect and filled with jokes, it's still a documentary FILM.
I want to see Michael Moore and Dr. Sanjay Gupta in the Octagon!! "UFC 911! Here's your fake facts Prick!"
God I hate Gupta! What a sell-out. No time to fix that anuerism! i have to be in make-up in 20 minutes!
Michael Moore is a national treasure. A bright light in the mind numbing darkness.
damn I will be at work.....please please tape and post a clip
Wooooooooooooooow!!! That is so Cool.
Excellent!
I love Moore and ALL his movies but I really want to ask him to go on a major diet and LOSE SOME WEIGHT! It should be embarrassing to him that he GAINED weight when he said he was going to lose weight after making the film.He really should make an example while he is in the spotlight on health-care.
Congrats on getting the Moore chat. You guys keep raising the bar of excellence
In 1960 there was a documentary shown on national television on Thanksgiving day called "Harvest of Shame". Ed. R. Murrow.
It detailed where the food came from that a nation had just digested. How it was picked, and the living conditions of the migrant workers who made it possible.
It was just a film to. but it helped for awhile and brought attention to the issue.
Sicko ,opened near me tonight- Maine - the movie is better then I felt it would be.
I went to the afternoon showing, my g/f said there were about 35 people ,seemed like a good number for that time of day.
i will admit toward the end there were 35 people with tears in there eyes... I'd see the film again....
Of the many topics my g/f and i discussed afterwards, one area I was surprised we both felt the same, was odd as this is,.... How Hillary Clinton in the first years of the Clinton WH ,when trying to create the National Health Care program.. appeared-so ....attractive...
We both remembered how all one heard during the early years of the Clintons was how ugly Haillary was... haha i know its weird.. but I felt better coz all those years of hearing how ugly she was I always thought i had bad taste....once again you understand how easily the media sets agendas .. Am I alone in never finding Hilary all that ugly...she is no stunner, but gee I never thought she was as bad as the Press made her looks to be...
Sorry to get of the subject.... but its something thats always bothered me...
please discuss the best way to harness all of this energy & rage and make the assholes running this country to give us universal health care.
i'd also like to hear from people who worked for these hmo's. one poster said she worked for united health care, my so called insurance. they turn down everything, dr's are dropping it in droves, and i just throw my $400 a month at them so someone can go on a cruise.
I just got back from seeing Sicko an hour ago. I laughed, I cried and I'm pissed. We need a social movement and universal healthcare could galvanize most Americans regardless of political affiliation. Neither national party is going to do this without pressure from the people - the healthcare and insurance lobby is too well funded.
What I found most interesting in this film was one key observation by the Canadian, the British and the French interviewed; in their countries the government is afraid of the people but in the United States the people are afraid of the government. That's why we don't have universal healthcare. They've broken us down and destroyed our sense of committment to our fellow citizens.
great news and congrats C&L
Moore is a great progressive.
I would love to ask him about what he thinks about legalizing medical and recreational marijuana, I would ask him what he thinks about the art of propaganda documentaries like "triumph of the will," the sorry state of the American press, how the internet is changing politics, the threats on the internet's freedoms....
He's one person I would really love to sit down and talk with about a range of issues facing our nation. I would pose the quote though - "love it or leave it." America is in such a sorry state. Even things like polls that show how many Americans do not believe in evolution and take the Bible literally. Wouldn't it be better for liberals to just go somewhere better if we are able.
You want to know how good a film this is? I have no health care... and a DVT in my leg... it's almost impossible to navigate Medicare now... and all I can do is go to the hospital and wait for 10 or so hours for them to get a prescription for me for Coumadin so I don't literally die.
I went to see Sick-O when it first came out. My leg was swollen so I had to keep it straight out (sat on isle).
There I was, one of the forgotton uninsured, and I was weeping like a baby for these people. And they had insurance!
It's a great film. I only wish that he would make to one he chose not too about the 47 million without insurance and the 18,000 each year who die because they don't.
Awesome. I'm glad it's getting the recognition it deserves.
I'll be seeing it in the next couple of weeks.
I agree with the poster who earlier said that he left the theatre angry.
I was angry at the HMOs and the legislators and the Insurance companies.
But I was mainly angry at myself. This has been the war of MY generation and we never even knew we were in it. We have been silent for too long.
you want to do something look up the side by side comparison of the candidates health care plans.
You think Obama is the new JFK? His plan involves more money to the health insurance companies and a law that makes carrying health insurance manditory; like auto insurance.
I'm curious about his thoughts of uttering the "N word" again?
I think '08 is the best opportunity to back Ralph Nader who, I think, would actually get more Republican votes than Democratic.
I though he supported Kucinich?
Moore needs to come to Des Moines, Iowa (which is sadly, the health insurance "capitol" of the world) and promote his new movie "Sicko" while the Presidential candidates are here. The pandering politicians make here in Iowa to the health insurance lobby is just sad IMHO. We even have one influential politician here in Iowa who is now trying to rename the "Iowa College of Public Health" after a corporation -- "Wellmark/Blue Cross." We might end up being the first state funded public university in the world that ends up naming a public college after a corporation... how pathetic (and such a sad statement as to what America has become). Hey everybody, I got my degree from the University of Iowa's School of Wellmark/Blue Cross!! That will look nice on a resume. Before each class maybe we should also have the Professors say, "This lecture is brought to you buy [insert pharmacutical co.]" Hey, if it makes a buck why not? Thats the American way... Give me a break!
I won't be home...please do, tape audio? Please?
Heard it is a genius piece of art. Yet to watch the movie. I apologize!
wayne @ 21:
You and I both have bad taste, I guess.
PS I think she's gotten better looking as she's aged.
baby jesus normally rests on sunday,
but, baby jesus is excited about interacting with such an enlightened human
Wow, competition against Sam Seder's rare airtime. I guess I'll have to listen to the podcast (when you unsubscribe from AAR premium, you're still on for the period of time until you paid is up. They don't refund for the unused time, so I've still got AAR premium until that time comes for me (next February.))
Speaking of which, Sam's supposed to sub for Randi on Monday FYI.
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I saw it myself today. I laughed, I cried, I hurled, and I left the theatre knowing I was not dead, because I would have had to be dead to not be affected by this movie. Very few people were in the theatre with me, but maybe everybody else bought a ticket to Sicko and snuck into Harry Potter instead.
I saw the movie on July 3rd, just a couple days after it came out. I saw it in the middle of the afternoon and I'd say about 50 people were in the theatre, which I think it a pretty good attendance for a weekday afternoon!
I can only echo what the other posters have said about this movie. It was brilliant. It really put healthcare up on the priority list for me. I have never been "really sick" and I have a non HMO plan which is highly subsidized by my company. So I am one of the lucky ones. But I think it is just a matter of time before even we "lucky ones" start really feeling the healthcare crunch. The system is broken and it needs to be completely gutted and fixed. Healthcare should not be a "for profit" industry.
And for the record, I have never thought Hillary was ugly. But if she is or has been to anyone... well, she still looks a lot better than Tom Delay, Joe Biden, Dennis Hastert, Dick Cheney ...basically 75% of the politicians out there who would choke a reptile. And I don't see too many people obsessing over the appearance of *those* guys... Hmmm.. wonder why. What a mystery....
sadAmerican @ 32:
Great idea, and the movie should follow the candidates throughout this waste of money campaign. Shame these guys into supporting health care. I'm going to try and exploit my broken back that my insurance won't pay to fix.
But Michael can't do it all, it would be a full time job organizing. Any takers?
Hey! Great Job securing Mike for an interview!
Someone once said that any geat civilisation is only five years from civil war. Someone else wrote that power and wealth are like a travelling carnival: While they stay everything is green and prosperous. When they inevitably leave, evrything withers and dies.
Given that the US is currently in debt and that it now exports more than it imports (in terms of oil and technology, et al) perhaps you could put this to Mike: Could we take the US trend of securing assests in other counties -by any means necessary- as a sign that the caravn is about to pull up stakes?
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hey i understand MM is taking questions from here? if so:
Greetings Michael!
I thought SiCKO was right on the money, but there was one part I have been curious about. I grew up in California and my family always viewed Kaiser, which seemed to have been the "original HMO," as a socially enlightened company. My dad was a state employee, and as such my immediate family was raised on their health system. My mother then went on to study social policy (at UofM, no less) and continued to strongly support the HMO concept while speaking fondly of Kaiser. Thus her and I were quite surprised to see the Nixon connection outlined in your film.
But I'm not defending Kaiser now. My question is, do you think HMOs may have been a worthwhile idea in the first place and, like many other good ideas, just got subverted by market forces and corrupt government ties over time?
nice to meet you,
emobile@c&l
Hi Michael
I saw the movie. It was great.
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Can't wait for the Q&A! Please ask Michael about W's nixing of State Children’s Health Insurance Program, and how this important issue might actually get any press.
Also, if he's read John Perkin's new book, The Secret History of the American Empire, what does he see in Perkin's solutions. If he hasn't, I can't recommend it Moore. It's written by a former international economic manipulator, turned good!
Best,
Ryan Colclasure
GravyDeals.com
Michael Moore's Movie Sick-o was Excellent! This documentary just like Farhenheit 9/11 received a standing ovation in a packed theater on a Tuesday Evening show! I was so excited to get in to see it. I sat there in my seat and laughed, cried, bawled, applauded, and then became worried all within 2 hours. I couldn't believe the affect this movie had on me. People that are anti-Michael Moore say that he is against America and the USA. After watching all his movies to this date I would have to disagree and state that he is the most caring concerned educated American alive. I think in my opinion that there is NO amount of money or awards that can be given to this man to THANK him for a job well done. Thank you Mr. Moore. I'm proud to call you a fellow American, Human Being, and hopefully my Friend.
Linda
(just a housewife hoosier that is tired of seeing americans suffer at the hands of their own govt.)
Linda @ 47:
I couldn't have said it any better myself.
Damn i love being eighteen and about to start collge! I get to wake up, eat a burrito, listen to some Babyshambles (put some of that up for the Late Night Music Club), and get a dose of wisdom form Mikey Moore-made my day guys.
Willyloman.......have you gone to the ER? Even without insurance, if your leg is that swollen with pitting edema?any redness? hot to the touch? I think you got an emergency on your hand and they gotta treat you.
I live in Europe how can i watch this?
thanks
Great film. I realize Mr. Moore has a limited length of time before most of
us lose our attention span during a film.
But I think many areas were not covered. Including the mental health field.
Which is as corrupt as The White house. This is a Pharmaceutical playland.
A big ass cashcow. There is corruption in the Social Service end of it as well.
Too bad he missed that one.
Silly question - ET time == EST Time? Thanks, I'm in CET...
> Silly question - ET time == EST Time? Thanks, I’m in CET…
"Time, is on our side", Yes it is"
Damn! I suck at maths! What is that in continental European time? And will there be a summary on C&L for those who missed this?
Hang on! Got it!
Check this link. Now you can't miss it.
http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/usa/eastern-time/
How fucking cool.
willyloman @ 25:
If Moore made a film mainly about the uninsured, those with insurance wouldn't care; too many would take the 'sucks to be you' attitude, that it's your fault for not having it. That he showed those with insurance, those who are supposed to be treated as they paid for insurance being denied the care they need to live shows everyone that our health system is broken and needs to be totally overhauled. Moore's message is that we all need healthcare regardless of our ability to pay, that profit can't be part of the equation.
some1 @ 51:
It will come in August-September to Europe.
Considering most of Europe has universal health care, it won't have the impact here, but people might watch it just because of Moore.
willyloman @ 30:
I've been watching that... As far as I know Moore has not endorsed ANY candidate, but he's hinted strongly a couple of times that he would like to see Gore throw his hat in. I don't know why he's not dancing around Kucinich--that candidate is spot on with every issue, from the war to health care--but he isn't. Could the fear of 'electability' be involved?? If so, then I doubt Moore would consider Nader this time around, either.
Gore has huge name recognition and, as Moore pointed out, many in the nation feel that he was cheated out of his office last time he ran. He's more personable now, and moderate on many issues. His story would appeal to many. And he could get into the race late, saving himself a lot of campaigning grief (and money), and end up looking like a savior. I'm guessing that's what Moore's waiting for -- the political messiah.
Norse @ 59:
Duh,
the movie or the chat?
Central European time is 6 hours ahead of Eastern standard time, (to my knowledge) so 4-5 EST, would mean 22-23 in the evening, in central Europe.
A question I would ask Michael is: when is the DVD coming out? The movie got a very short run in my redstate town, and I didn't get to see it. From the comments of everybody who did see it, it's not something anybody would want to miss.
I also had a general comment on the bloviating about "free market" versus "socialism" as regards universal, single payer healthcare. It's hard to call our healthcare system "free market-based" when Big Pharma pretty much owns the FDA, when the government refuses to negotiate for free-market drug prices, when - under the excuse of "safe" drug supplies, American citizens are prohibited from importing lower cost, identical drugs from Canada or Europe, when physicians have a legal lock on healthcare and are an unregualted monopoly (AMA is not a regulatory agency, neither are licensing boards), when the insurance industry and Big Pharma have lobbyists who have paid for,bought and operate the majority of our politician-bots, when insurance adjusters routinely undermine the medical judgment of physicians in order to fatten their profits; neither is it healthcare "coverage" or "free-market" when an insurance company can arbitrarily proclaim, "we won't cover that", nor is it free market healthcare when the only choice in a region is a for-profit Medi-Corp Hospital, nor when.......ad nauseaum. We don't have a "free market" healthcare system, we have a a rigged corporate welfare system that preys upon the people and accrues benefit solely to big business and privileged practioners, and which, in the process of doing its thing, fucks the customer, or the would-be customer. The LAST thing we have today is "free market" healthcare. What the advocates of the current system have labeled "free market" was so named in order to distract us from the fact that its a corporate ripoff of heroic proportions and a corporately orchestrated corruption of our government.
As for the "socialism" boogeyman, understand that the only acts of government which aren't socialism are those in which the government is preying upon the citizens, those in which the government is indulging in tyranny and those in which the government has abandoned its trust in favor of embracing corruption and adopting corrupt practices. When a government does anything to uphold its trust to the People and anything to assure to the continuance of a happy, propsering and just society, that government is engaging in socialism. Socialism includes providing for the common defense, providing law enforcement, establishing just courts known for their integrity, universal education, and yes - universal healthcare, fire, rescue, all public infrastructure (including highway systems, Air Traffic Control, Maritime navigation, safe drinking water, sewer and sewage treatment, etc), national parks, environmental protection, social safety nets, customs, border patrol, taxation (yes - the shared sacrifice that binds society together and invests in the continuance of the society), providing, regulating and managing a common currency from a common treasury, Federal emergency management(such as it doesn't now exist: as a cover for totalitarian police state activities), the weather service, NOAA, National Institutes of Standards and Technology, the Census, national museums, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (before it was subverted into a neocon propaganda organ), all regulatory bodies that exist solely in order to look after the People's interests (As examples, the FCC, the FDA, the Department of Agriculture, - before they were corrupted and became corporately operated brothels), the Farm Bureau, county extension agents, the Park Service, the National forests, Inland Game and Fisheries, Public libraries, the VA....all of these and many, many more... what they do is the very essence of socialism. Socialism is any formal or ad hoc collective activity that furthers the well-being of the People - down to the individual level ,and it is anything that works for a healthier, happier society that can prosper from one generation to the next. Socialism is not only caring about current citizens, but also caring about those who won't even be born for another 100 years. Socialism is the formalized act of the People's and Society's pursuit of happiness. What the Greek Chorus is bewailing as "socialism" is, in fact, an end to a corrupt and fetidly stinking way of doing things that works only to the benefit of the very few, at deep cost to the whole, at deep cost to the furutre. Again, they label the right thing to do by the boogeyman label of "socialism" in order to distract from the truth of the situation, in hopes of manipulating people into not thinking. When the thinking stops, it's pretty easy to get people to support that which greatly harms their individual and collective interests.
One final point. There is a propaganda meme floating around that single payer, universal healthcare will "destroy the free market and capitalism" in the healthcare industry and america at large. Oh, really? What drivel! I don't recall any arguments advancing the call to nationalize US pharmeceuticals, or to make all healthcare workers government employees or to confiscate all hospitals, clinics and practices (which is the only way that free market forces and capitalism could be nullified in the healthcare industry). They will still be free to compete in the marketplace (true competition is a terrifying prospect to them), open their doors for business and hang out their shingles. This is a lame and nonesensical propaganda argument, once again put forward in order to make people stop thinking and, thus, facilitate the process of manipulating them into supporting that which is harmful to their individual and collective interests.
Sorry for the rant, but the rank intellectual dishonesty that is an inherent feature of the propagandist's favorite arguments for opposing and denying the establishment of a principled system for providing a fundamental Human Right just disgusts me. I'd really like to see those arguments discredited.
3 things:
1) As I understand it, when candidates offer insurance proposals, it's important to read the code - "Universal Healthcare" includes insurance companies whose very purpose conflicts with the purpose of health care. "Single payer healthcare" gets rid of the greedy sleezebags. I can't see how we can have fair healthcare with insurance companies in existence.
2) I wish Michael had included Norway's healthcare that he filmed, even if it were too good to be believable. I'd like to hear the insurance shills claim Moore left out information about the ideal.
3) How on earth are we going to change our country that a) is ruled by corporations & their lobbyists, not people b) considers corporations more important than people (i.e. Keyoto accords hurt business yet kill people) c) refuses to declare May Day and recognizing Workers d) has such a powerful military industrial congressional complex?
Are we dreaming here? Maybe it's more realistic to "hook a canook" or move to France and teach English as a second language.
In the 1980s, I worked at the desktop publishing shop Free Hand Press in DC on Dupont Circle and helped Michael publish his Moore's Weekly newsletter whilst he was making Roger and Me. I was a big fan of his writings then, and just saw Sicko last night. Glad to see he is on Crooks and Liars today.
I also saw some (non-Moore) films in a similar vein -- one about the demise of the EV-1 (electric car) and prior to that, I caught a film about the military industrial complex and how it fuels war (and of course Al Gore's film). These movies were shown at the local complex, and spell out a clear problem that obviously the masses can go see if they want. But the common thread is that our system is irreparably broken because of the influence of business special interest lobbyists over the public good.
But without massive protests (ala the French and Germans), how can we go about changing it? The majority of Americans probably recognize that the system is corrupt but they just see it being replaced with a new crop of corrupt politicians and so are reluctant to vote for change.
My husband is a congressional staffer -- he works for Mr. Waxman from California. They fight the good fight every day, but between the White House, GOP, and even people like Mr. Dingell from Mr. Moore's own state of Michigan, the battle they fight is largely not one they're going to win. They can't even get their hands on a piece of paper about the influence of energy lobbyists who talked to Dick Cheney, let alone begin to solve the problem.
So my question for Michael Moore today is what to do next?
Michael, highlight how universal healthcare will improve America beyond medical care.
This plan enables the government to save money and improve the quality of life by allowing better planning and management. The impact of dangerous practices on any American citizen results in direct health costs during treatment. The govt. can then recognize, respond and correct the problem, reduce the risk of a repeat offense with temporary measures, and prevent further fatalities and injuries by updating rules and laws applying to urban, suburban, and industrial planning and construction.
For example, if America had universal healthcare on September 11th and the health bills of non-city workers at Ground Zero and downtown employees and residents were to be paid by a Federal universal health care system, you bet EPA and OSHA would have required respirators, used current tests to measure air and water quality, and enforced a mandatory, instead of voluntary, program to clean contaminated areas. When the government incurs direct costs, it is much harder for lobbyists and corporations to manipulate policy against American interests.
Universal healthcare would force the government to internalize many of the currently external costs of pollution and our throw-away society. Uncle Sam will seek to reduce its health-care costs by investing in and mandating safer and more efficient buildings, transportation, products and services resulting in healthier, more-productive and longer-living Americans.
Thanks for supporting Kucinich's HR676.
And you Americans think that free health care is on it's way--forget it--you are FKN broke because of the multi $billions dollar wasted on two invasions and fear protection. Where do you saps think that this money can come from to pay for the drugs and doctors fee$ ??? More Taxes to you Dummies !
Just wait when the troops come home--Military industries shut downs, unemployed troops,cut backs in military spending ect....-your broke !
In Canada, an ordinary MD makes $450,000/year and works 3 days.1/2 work day and most don't accept new patients because their salary has been capped. Unless you go to a walk in clinic and treated as cattle--5 minutes most patients are given forms to preform dozens of medical lab tests and guess what--never ending money maker for them. . The medical care is overloaded--if you end up in Hospital--most likely you will pick-up some other disease or die. If you can't feed yourself--you starve !
What is needed--abolish the medical profession and flood the country with medical schools.
By the way--recall the AIDS deaths---most victims sold all their belongs and went on Welfare and got-- Free Canada's like medical care--free drugs free care--no worries and got to live.
I will never look at Gupta the same again. Whenever he appears on CNN now, I have to switch the channel. The guy was so slick and creepy with Moore that I'll never trust him again.
It blows me away that Gupta and other detractors whine about how much universal health care will cost. But they never ever said a goddamn thing as the cost of the war got higher and higher and HIGHER until it approached $500,000,000.000!!! I wonder how much health care that could have bought? Totally amazing and infuriating.
his next film should be about what REALLY happened on 9/11-he is the best!!!!!!
I'm American, born and raised, my wife is German. we have been to England, france and canada. we live in south carolina and have 2 sons age 19 and 15. we took them to see sicko yesterday. Micheal Moore is absalutely correct. 8 thumbs way up from this household.
Question: I met this elderly lady who said she did not want the government controlling health care, she then went on to say she was able to afford hip surgery because her husband was on government disability. Michael Moore, how are we to persuade people like this, when they don't even realize they are alive today because of government controlled health care?
Michael Moore has changed the landscape of how Americans across this country will think about government and corporation.It was an honor to work on Sicko with him and his great team of truth seekers,and the Fealgood foundation and the 9/11 responder community stand behind him.John Feal 9/11 responder/advocate/founder of the FGF
Excellent score C&L..congrats!!
Michaeal Moore is a great American Patriot! Thomas Paine would be proud!
A discussion with my 12 year old son last night touched on the subject of Bush trying to get rid of the SCHIP program. I paraphrased King George's quote about not wanting to do anything that would influence people* to move from private health insurance to government health insurance and that he did not want to spend the money on children's healthcare.
Without missing a beat, he asked, "Why, so he can buy more bombs to bomb Iraq?" smart kid...
So much for family values and love of country King George you bastard.
*(yeah those toddlers looking for a checkup are ruthlessly conniving...)
My wife (who is a nurse) has constantly complained for years of the hospital administration policies that M Moore exposes. We also have pesonal bills that justify the problems. My daughter frequently flies to London and Paris. I spoke with her a couple of days ago and asked her about health care in both countries. She confirmed that Michael is “right on the mark”. So in my opinion this movie is probably 95% accurate. (I’m sure like all things that some mistakes could be found but I’m quite certain that they were “mistakes” – not deliberate misquotes.)
I saw Sicko last night and let me tell you it totally touched my heart. I have been studying health care in college and nothing has ever hit me as hard as this movie did. I loved the way Michael Moore asked the people in London, France, Canada, and even Cuba how much the health service would cost. He really stressed more that several good points. I am just hoping and praying this this movie has touched many other people who can make a difference in our government. This just leaves me to wondering what the next steps can be to actually get something done. NOTHING most likely. This really sucks. Also I was wondering if Michael ever got is laundry done at the white house? I doubt it. That was cute way to end the movie.
Which would you prefer....waiting in a line to get the service you need for free...OR...going bankrupt and losing your house to pay for the same service you need, but skipping a line.
Call me crazy, but I prefer option 1. I would love for someone to p'shop an ad with a family losing their house, advertising the advantages of our healthcare system.
hay every1
If your insurance provider claims to be non for profit you can look up their financial repot (the profits they earned) here:
http://foundationcenter.org/findfunders/990finder/
and do not be shocked by their CEO compensation.
I have looked up a few of them:
http://tfcny.fdncenter.org/990_pdf_archive/910/910511770/910511770_20041...
http://dynamodata.fdncenter.org/990_pdf_archive/941/941552887/941552887_...
http://dynamodata.fdncenter.org/990_pdf_archive/941/941340523/941340523_...
I tried to add this info to wikipedia and of course it got deleted!! may some1 out there can help add it to wikipedia articles on individual insurance providers.
Kurt @ 67:
I had this guys number for years. My ShrillDar was off the charts everytime I saw him.
......, it won't have the impact here, but people might watch it just because of Moore.
I saw the "Damaged Care" film on swedish TV last year
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0317310/
the rest of the world knows more about us system and they find it sadly entertaining. another film that was popular here was:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0379225/
thanks
The Republicans are so psycho. I guess MIcheal Moore was interviewed in the gay magazine 'The Advocate'. I learned about that because I was checking out the GOP website FreeRepublic and those freaks were totally flipping out and calling Michael Moore a "dirty faggot" and a "sodomite" and on and on and on. The whole GOP/dittohead/SavageNation phenomenon has completely destroyed the civility of the whole goddamn country.
Ok now the truth is finally out, for all to see. Now my Fellow Americans it is time to act, so let us, We The People, make plans and change these criminal acts that are being done in our Name. It is not a hard act to do, just good planning to the end, we have the brain power out there. Time for ACTION, so drop your package and grab your sock it is time for work.
How do you take part in the live chat?
After watching Mr Moores movie, I was finally motivated to do something at the age of 42: I registered to vote.
This is a momentous decision for me:My religion prohibits involvement in politics, and I will probably be expelled and lose communication with friends and family members. But I cannot sit back anymore and complain about how rotten the system is, knowing that I never expended any effort to fix the problems. So, kudos, MM, for making me get off my butt!
Hype-Jersey @ 39:
Here in Mpls/StPaul, I saw SICKO in one of the 3 theaters showing opening weekend; 6/30/07 dinner hour show (6pm) which was running 6 shows daily. Attendence was appox. 400! This was not even an Art House. We are the home of United Healthcare, and this population is getting pissed!! Currently SICKO is showing here at 12 theaters, most of them exurban. Most have full day showings. May we be granted the stength and resolve to keep up the fight.
it almost 7 pm here
could some kind soul say how many hours from now, michael would be on
I took the perfect day off. Too bad, I was going to go to the beach & cruise for chicks, I guess I'll stay glued to the Mac & play catch up on work until 4,...
I voted for the first time ever, at the age of 38, after seeing Fahrenheit 9/11. And now, I'm right back where I started, clinging to my anarcho-punk philosophy that our votes realy do not matter.
I would like Mike to try to pull the camera back & ask questions about te bigger picture: health care is of course just one small part of the sickness destroying this country. People are apathetic to a staggering degree. We have two illegal wars, fixed elections, torture, proaganda, low job creation, record debt, a mammoth prison populace, ditto the homeless, the single mothers, the poor, a class war metaphorically bloodier than Iraq,... yet, not ONE protest song on the radio, or one real move to arrest any of these multiple law breakers.
We have met the enemy, & it is us.
What happened to us? Even in NYC, when Dialo was shot 41 times, it seemed like no one cared. Why does it alway seem like I'm the only idiot who gets incensed & outraged at our inhumanity towards our fellow man?
Are big cars, Playstation, & high fructose corn syrup really that effective??
Michael Moore takes a position that the insurance companies are the problem with the U.S. health care system because they are the middle man. He mentions that 18k people die every year because they don't have medical coverage.
I'd like to know his thoughts on providers (Doctor's, Hospitals, and Medical Equipment Providers). The insurance companies are not the only for-profit parts of the system. Hospitals and Doctors are trying to bill as much as they can as well, at extremely high rates. Medical Equipment is very, very expensive with very large margins made by both the manufacturer and provider. Almost 90k people die every year because of preventable medical mistakes. Insuring another 50 million people may prevent 18k people from dying, but more people will die because of preventable medical mistakes.
What are his thoughts on not-for-profit health insurance companies like Highmark in Pennsylvania?
Hello Michael !
Congratulations on yet another fine film ! I have been inspired by yourself and other great documentarians (if thats even a word ) such as James Nachtwey, Zoriah Miller, James Miller and others to switch my focus from narrative film making into documentary photography and video nearly a year ago. I will be traveling to SE Asia this fall and possible East Africa after the first of the year. My focus will be mainly on humanitarian and social issues such as the TB and HIV crisis in those regions. My question to you is what words of advice would you have for someone who is passionate about changing the world with a camera ?
All the best to you sir !
James Rhodes
hay JG
watch or read this interview
this is one courageous doc speaking up
there is a few of us who have conscious,
sorry the link is
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/06/21/1444235
Clevelandchick @ 23:
john feal @ 72:
I want to thank you and everybody involved in all the documentaries
I have yet to see the movie..I don't believe my small town in Georgia even considered showing it.I plan on seeing it though..I just hope it will be worth it.
What I hope to see in this documentary is if it covers anything to do with my own situation with healthcare.It's more like my mothers than my own.I'm not going to splay out the whole complicated story but basically it all comes down to how awful the healthcare in Georgia is.The Medicaid..WellCare(which I am on..) and the availability for Social Security.I know a few people who have SS here and well they don't NEED it like others do quite honestly.Not like my own mother does.I hate how cases take so long to be checked on.The doctors are some of the worst!They prescribe meds that don't even work or make a patient worse just to get "those damn welfare patients" out of their hair.Scratch all this though..What's worse is when people who have been on some type of healthcare plan are taken off of it JUST because of their age.People who have been prescribed drugs that help them for a very long time and suddenly are taken off the plan and can't pay for those pills that help them anymore.It's cruel and digusting.
Maybe I am addressing an issue that doesn't have anything to do with his documentary.I'm not sure.I just wish he would talk about it.I just want SOMEONE who can actually help to HELP.To care..to do something.
hello to everyone!I've seen twice mr.Moore's film.I have no words to describe how i felt.I forgot to tell you I'm from Bucharest,Romania-Europe.You,all americans should be proud for being so close to Mike,wich is a man who has the courage to tell you and to the entire world the nacked truth about your gvt,about coruption and about their "hunger"for money and profits.They are killing you for increasing their profits,instead of taking care of you,as they are promissing you when they need your votes.Congratulations for mr.Moore,i've also seen Fahrenheit and An inconvenient truth.He is indeed,your "national treasure'' as someone said.Please take good care of him.I wish you better days and I also wish you the best.Mariana from Bucharest
I haven't seen Sicko yet. I will. You are the best at what you do. Exposure is the first step toward reform. This is why I have written. I sent the an email to you a couple of days ago and I'm just hoping you will take on another project. We need help! I have done mass mailing campaigns in the past to no avail. I just FAXED this to the Governor of California. Don't laugh, I will try ANYTHING to gain a voice:
July 21, 2007
Dear Mr. Schwarzenegger,
I am writing to you because, according to the Bill of Rights, mine are being violated. Yesterday I was informed by my current employer that they received an order from L.A. County to attach my wages.
Over thirty years ago my ex-wife, Constance Dana, aka Wilbur, aka Vattioni, committed Welfare fraud and I have been ordered to pay for it ever since. She received public assistance checks for herself and for Jason Roger Wilbur, aka Jason Frederick Vattioni. She received the checks even though she was receiving my child support checks as well. I always paid my child support payments. She lied and told AFDC that I wasn’t paying her. In spite of proof from their own audits and three court cases proving my innocence and her guilt of felony welfare fraud, LACCSSD (Los Angeles County Child Support Services Department) has continued to take money from me for over thirty years now.
I have been told five different times that the arrearages (arrearages that were never owed in the first place) were paid in full, each time only to have them go after me again. They have stripped my bank accounts, taken my tax returns, taken away licenses and attached me with the stigma, “Dead Beat Dad” costing me my job on more than one occasion. There were times when they took an entire month’s earnings leaving me with no take home pay. I have lost my career, my second marriage of twenty years, my house, my car, my credit, my children, my sanity, basically any quality of life. I have been given a life sentence for her crimes.
As a result, I am now on SSDI. I was told that Social Security checks could not be attached, but they take 25% of that and have been doing so for several years. Through disability, I am allowed to earn a small supplemental income. With this latest development, in addition to the money they already take from my SSDI, they plan on taking it out of my pay checks as well. This would amount to 1/3 of my monthly income.
This “child” does not bear my name. He was adopted at the age of eight by another man. He was born in 1972. He is 35 years old. I have not seen him since he was 4 when his mother denied me any visitation.
Trying to deal with LACCSSD is fruitless. I have stated my case and proven it to them. Even with all the documentation and attorneys, nothing will stop this machine. Believe me, I’ve tried it all. Don’t try to pacify me by doing an investigation through their department. In 2002 the judge tricked me in to signing a legal document with the legal term “With Prejudice”. I told the judge I disagreed with the order stating that I owed this money and that I would fight it. This dishonest judge intentionally misled me and told me that meant, “with prejudice”. So I signed it. The rest is history. Any attempt I have made to get resolve all comes back to that document, so don’t steer me down that road again. They need to be stopped. This organization is committing criminal acts against thousands of innocent men. Mine is the extreme but by no means the exception.
LINKS:
justtoletyouknow.com
supportthemovie.com
http://lacochildsupport.org/
Clevelandchick @ 23:
There is a reason for it. Check out The Docile American. Tying health care to employment is a big part.
ok so how do i watch this live?
Mr.Moore,
I have come across many anti-michael moores here lately. One is on youtube and he is only 19 years old and very misled by apparently what his parents or those that had an affect on his upbringing have taught him. I stopped arguing with him because its a waste of my fonts. lol...
I want to know what is the best way to handle ignorant people like this? Besides ignoring them.
Don't you believe for one minute Mr. Moore that there are more anti than pro... I know many people love you and I am one of them. So if only 10,000 out of 10 million people hate you... That's no biggie Mr.Moore.
Indiana Loves You!
Mile, I watched the entire battle with Wolf & Gupta. You owned them. Will you please continue pushing them? Will they have you back on for another round? If you do get on again....PLEASE keep pushing the line about 9/11 and how you were right. They do not even dare go down that path... do they?? They did not do thier job. CNN, FOX, all of them hide the real news.... Would you agree?? Thanks Mike
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What do you think?
[I THINK this is a thread about Michael Moore-Sitemonitor]
Congratulations on another masterpiece, Mike! Now, how about aiming your vorpal camera at that part of our culture which arguably is most responsible for promulgating all the misinformation and out-and-out lies that keeps the US from becoming a modern progressive--dare I say "civilized"--nation?
The thrice-damned MEDIA!
While I love Michael dearly and think he is a film genius as well as a social/political genius, I'm ambivalent about the physical appearance. That is the first thing that right-wing nuts zero in on when they begin to bash. All things considered, people still offer the greatest respect to other people who look the most healthy, strong, and happy. Michael, while I love him dearly, lookes neither healthy, strong, nor happy and I think this disadvantages the promotion of his important work.
John @ 99:
I soooooooo agree, he OWNED them! TY very well put!
We are being told that our taxes will be outrageous if we go to national healthcare.
People are paying over $12,000 a year for health care premiums which only cover a portion of their medical bill. How many people in other industrialized countries that have universal health care are paying $12,000 a year per family in taxes just to cover national healthcare expenses PLUS regular taxes?
Very interesting. My only comment about all of this is... The fact that the Gov thought it necessary to smear Sicko in the first place. If the Doc is false then leave it alone, you don't start a smear champaign over it. They just breathed more life into the Doc. Which is cool.
*weebit grins*
hi Michael
Very glad you're doing this chat. I just want to let you know that I am in fact sitting in a local clinic right now. We have been waiting for about two hours when they quoted us 45 minutes. We came in to an empty waiting room and two more people came in after us and they were served within 15 minutes of us. When I ask the desk what's going on I get the response that there are "two lacerations in the back".
Now honestly, the two people that came after us didn't have lacerations so I call bullshit on them. I believe there may be some discrimination because we are minorities and the others are Caucasian.
Another example that our healthcare system uneffective inefficient and all-around broken and discriminatory.
I hope that this film will start a trend of awareness that will start a change. But alas our political system is broken as well. I'm happy you're here to help us common folk.
Btw I'm a big fan of you films. Your latest is the most powerful of them all.
anon @ 97:
Just check out the homepage of Crooks and Liars here: http://www.crooksandliars.com/
We'll get going shortly!
Thanks.
MIKE,
Do you think another "False Flag" is coming? Many people on the net are talking about "Iran Attack". Do youfeel that this govt will stage some type of terror attack on its own land to say "See terrorists our out there".?
#1 First we have the PNAC agenda
This clearly calls for a 3 - 4 front war. It calls for domination of resources and it calls for military oversight of those resources indefinitely. This has been the neocon controlling agenda even before Bush's Presidency.
#2 Second we have Chertoff's gut feelings
A warning of more terrorist attacks supported only by a "gut feeling". And now he predicts simultaneous LA and SanFransico dirty bombs. Plus a wave of terror rhetoric.
#3 Third we have warnings from insiders
Former Reagan Advisor , Pat Buchanan, Carter's National Security Advisor and Ron Paul warning of a possible Gulf of Tonkin incident creating another war.
#4 Fourth we have Cheney pulling strings
Cheney is pushing Bush to act on Iran.
#5 Fifth we have Congress on a break
August may be the hottest month yet for America
#6 Sixth we have Bush's Executive Order outlawing war protest
This Executive Order is written so generally, that it essentially kills the 5th Amendment
#7 Seventh we have the "Fall guy" moving into position
Aircraft carrier "Enterprise" the oldest in the fleet, moves into the Gulf to replace the USS Nimitz on July 30th. This carrier is called the "Fall guy" because it has been stated that we can sacrifice this ship since it is ready for retirement soon.
#8 Eighth we see a President in freefall approval ratings (Wisconsin at 17%) still pushing war
Bush is religiously pushing the PNAC agenda which is the ONLY success of his administration. All of America is against this war, yet he still pursues this agenda with scary and blind tenacity.
Strategic Foresight
Call it a conspiracy theory or maybe just call it strategic foresight, but I see a frightening setup taking place. I see a strategic positioning of pieces. A closing in of a trap, and at this late date, there is little room for escape.
If current directions do not change, the ONLY prognition that ANYONE could make, is that come August or by the end of the year, we will be at war.
MIKE, what do you think??????
Why is Medicare/Medicaid/Charity paperwork worse than advanced cancer, two months of radiation, several courses of chemo, 10 hours of surgery performed by two surgical teams followed by a second surgery and ongoing health care problems + bankruptcy?
I mean really. I get sent to collections on a regular basis, because I forget to update my financial info, every three months, even though being on SS disability for the last 6 years pretty much determines my financial situation...day in and day out.
I've taken my health care into my own hands for years. It was the only way I could regain my health. One of the things that really concerns me, is the systematic destruction by the FDA, corporations and government of our ability to make choices, like alternative health care options, for instance. How can we move toward a "wellness" model in this country instead of one just based on fixing the "ills"?
Thank you Michael, for bringing the dialogue front and center!
Margaret
I worry about one thing, and that is because Michael is so controversial. I worry that someone will try to snub him out. I just wonder if Michael ever thought about this too? I mean just think about it, we have some pretty sick people in the world. Mentally sick.
this should be a good read can't wait :D
Okay! Saw the movie...am appauled by our system and ready to go into battle...but besides a quick e-mail to my congresspersons which will surely be discarded without thought...how/where do I begin to fight? The system feels impenetrable.
Mr.Moore,
What do you think will be the situation of American Healthcare after the 08 elections and which candidates do you think truly hold the best interest for the American people if any do?
Mr. Moore,
I just want to thank you for taking a stand. I loved Bowling for Columbine, and Farenheight. Those movies were eye opening to many of my friends and family. I wish I could go out and watch SICKO, however I just recently moved from California to Texas...and its not that easy in the small town I live in to watch your film. Closest theatre showing your film is six hours away. But I will do my best to watch it and I will keep spreading the word! Keep at it!!
Phia
Mr. Moore, I have been a fan since the crazy rednecks burned your semi during the USSR Final Tour. As more and more people see the SICKO film, you need a new vision. How about going after the national news media? In Eastern Wisconsin, Gannett owns all of the newsprint media. This is wrong. I seldom read the local newspaper anymore, and read instead the Milwaukee Journal and the Chicago Tribune. Internet blogs, with hypertext links for story documentation are the future. Will you comment?
HiMike.
When will you buy a television station?
Dear Michael,
I always tell my friends that if only we hadn't fought the revolution we would have got rid of slavery thirty years earlier and would have free health care for everyone now! - Keep at it!
I think for Michael Moore, he has always made a deliberate point to make his appearance that of the angry working man, because the angry working man, to him, and many others, is still considered the backbone of a productive revolution. You don't see him parading around in expensive clothing and he wants to remain the "Joe Blow" that he puts front and center. It would behest him to consider continuing the weight loss though...
He really should do more to indicate that he has a positive stake in America and isn't just interested in bringing the government into a systemic crisis. He deals a lot in broad idealism, often without presenting his ideas in a manner that understands the trade-offs that come with everything (i.e., "This is possible -- but I understand what sacrifice it will entail."). Maybe he would encounter less aggression if his next project had something to do with what he considers to be Good Work on the bipartisan level (example-setting material instead of example-making material) to remind people that he's an America lover, and not just an angry iconoclast (though he has every reason to be).
He doesn't seem as interested in promoting the "one day at a time" approach to change. He's the voice of those who think it is at all possible for Rome to be built in a day.
That said, I think he's great. But I can understand that some of his techniques will forever leave him in the arena of "fringe" liberalism, which makes me loath to invoke him publicly when discussing the injustices of the Republican party.
Thank you Mr. Moore and I have been on a mission to to change ignorance since seeing the movie. Patch Adams specks highly of the movie on his web site and after we reform the system many of his techniques should be looked into if we want the system to be the best. I'm behind you.
Everyone on this site who hasn't seen it should check it out as well, I'm sure it's right up your alley.
Excellent movie Mr. Moore. I admire your ability to open people's eyes to the realities of our government's errors. I recently posted on my fraternity forum (mostly conservative) telling them to watch Sicko even though their conservative news sources urge them not to and one of my more outspoken brothers called you unpatriotic. I responded that your ability to investigate what is wrong with America and recommend improvements does not make you unpatriotic. I then again urged them to get out of their conservative holes, watch your movie and decide for themselves if you are unpatriotic (something I know they are not able to do).
I applaud your move to meet with crooks and liars. I hope you continue to do more interviews.
What Law Enforcement Officials - U.S.Attorneys & Office of Inspector General's - do NOT want exposed to the Public - Federal HMO Hospital Insurance Fraud.
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Mass Public Fraud Began in 1998 - crafted by Law Enforcement Officials to defraud the public with respect to HMO Claims.
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1998 --U.S.Attorney & DHHS Office of Inspector General - T18CFR371Crime - Illegal Agreement - ecomonic crime T18CFR286 - Concealing & Allowing Federal Hospital Insurance Fraud, for illegal HCFA State Medicaid kickback conversions - Fraud by Fright / white collar crime - illegal denial of Medically Necessary Services of Federally 'Covered' Claims, through criminal use of the 'DHHS T42CFR417 HMO Government Grievance 'Service' - resulting in serious bodily injury or death.
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1998 -- HEALTH CARE FRAUD AND ABUSE CONTROL PROGRAM [ subject to prosecution ], under the Joint Direction [ T18CFR371-illegal agreement to induce forfiture of Hospital Insurance Benefits DHHS T42CFR417 Anti-dumping violation ] of the ATTORNEY GENERAL and the Secretary of [ DHHS ] the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)(1), acting through the Department's [ OIG ] Inspector General (HHS/OIG), Designed [ HMO Grievance Procedure T42CFR417 criminal denial of covered Hospital Insurance claims/Volentary Disclousure/SELF-Audit Program ] to coordinate Federal, State and Local Law Enforcement activities [ misprison of a felony / defrauding federal health insurance programs OPM FEHBP CITE: 5CFR890.105 ] With Respect to ( Claims ) Health Care Fraud and Abuse. Misprison of a felony T18CFR24CRIME.
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1998 -- The Health Care Fraud and Abuse Control Account would be established as an expenditure account within the Federal Hospital Insurance (HI) Trust Fund.
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CITE- 18 USC Sec. 1518 01/02/01-EXPCITE- TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE PART I - CRIMES CHAPTER 73 - OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE-HEAD- Sec. 1518. Obstruction of criminal investigations of health care offenses -STATUTE
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DHHS OIG News Release 21 October 1998
Volentary Disclousure of Health Care Fraud
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