Cindy Sheehan arrested while calling for Bush/Cheney Impeachment
By Nicole Belle Monday Jul 23, 2007 1:31pm
CNN: (h/t CappuccettoRosso)
Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan was arrested Monday at the Capitol for disorderly conduct, shortly after saying she would run against House Speaker Nancy Pelosi over the California Democrat's refusal to try to impeach President Bush.
Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan says "Impeachment is not a fringe movement."
Sheehan was taken into custody inside Rep. John Conyers' office, where she had spent an hour imploring him to launch impeachment proceedings against Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney. Conyers, D-Michigan, chairs the House Judiciary Committee, where any impeachment effort would have to begin.[..]
Sheehan and about 200 other protesters had walked to Conyers' office from Arlington National Cemetery. She said Conyers told her there weren't enough votes for impeachment to move forward on the issue.
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Probably get her property taken away for "disrupting the reconstruction efforts in Iraq" per the Executive order the other day.
Rock on Cindy.
I guess she wasn't standing in the "free speech" zone.
Welcome to GOPmerica.
I admire her courage and passion
Keep the pressure on!
Daily attacks in Iraq hit new high
By David Morgan
Jul 21, 2007, 20:32
Washington, July 20 - Attacks in Iraq last month reached their highest daily average since May 2003, showing a surge in violence as President George W. Bush completed a buildup of U.S. troops, Pentagon statistics show.
The data, obtained by Reuters from the Defense Department, showed an upward trend in daily attacks over the past four months, when U.S. and Iraqi forces were ramping up operations against insurgents and militants, including al Qaeda, in Iraq.
Pentagon officials were not immediately available to comment on the statistics.
The June numbers showed 5,335 attacks against coalition troops, Iraqi security forces, civilians and infrastructure.
June's total was 2.5 percent below an October 2006 peak of 5,472 attacks and slightly lower than the 5,365 attacks in May.
But because June has only 30 days, the average daily number of attacks was 177.8, higher than the 176.5 last October and 173.1 in May.
The Pentagon statistics, which come as pressure mounts in the U.S. Congress for a troop withdrawal from Iraq, depicted the most intensive month for daily attacks since Bush declared major combat operations at an end in May 2003.
Daily attacks rose as the Bush administration moved the last combat battalions into place for a security clampdown in Baghdad, part of a controversial U.S. strategy to stabilize Iraq with an additional 28,000 troops.
Bush and other senior officials have predicted that a rise in violence from insurgents and al Qaeda in Iraq would occur this summer as the so-called "surge" strategy takes hold.
A crucial report expected in September from U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker and the top U.S. commander in Iraq, Gen. David Petraeus, could force a change in U.S. policy if it suggests the strategy is not working.
U.S. military commanders have sought to paint a more upbeat picture of events on the ground while pleading for additional time to determine whether the Bush strategy can succeed.
The statistics showed the 177.8 attacks per day in June were above the 157.5 in March, the lowest daily average for any month in 2007. Total monthly attack figures have also climbed to well over 5,000 from a low in February of 4,561.
Attacks last month were up 46 percent from a year earlier, with the statistics showing 3,642 attacks or 121.4 per day on average in June 2006.
The June 2007 statistics confirmed a significant decline in the targeting of Iraqi civilians, with such attacks falling 18 percent to 763 from a 2007 high of 932 in May.
Attacks on Iraqi security forces fell to 889 in June from 987 in May, while attacks on coalition forces rose about 7 percent to 3,671 from 3,423.
Reuters 2007. All Rights Reserved.
I agree with impeachment proceedings. I also agree that we don't have any chance in hell of having enough votes for it. It'd likely be spun as more Phantom of the Operas and Cats the Musicals.
Kind of a tough way to begin your candidacy.
We need to get her a fashion consultant too if that was what she was wearing when she visited capital hill. Okay, I can't help it, I notice these things.
"Attacks on Iraqi security forces fell to 889 in June from 987 in May, while attacks on coalition forces rose about 7 percent to 3,671 from 3,423."
Read between the lines.
Attacks on Iraqi forces have declined because they're joining the insurgency in droves.
What exactly did she do to warrant "disorderly conduct"? Just being dissenting?
Her anthrax letter is already in the mail.
Wouldn't it have made more sense for her to protest at the office of a Congressman who hasn't come out in favor of impeachment?
That woman has bigger balls than every male posting here put together.
People willing to be arrested in order to have their voices heard should tell congress something, even if all they hear is a whisper saying your ass is going to be replaced as soon as you run again.
If I were conspiracy-minded, I'd say that Cindy Sheehan is trying to do her best to undermine the anti-war segment of the American population. This was not a bright idea, nor was it even a logical move, converging on Conyers' office.
There's something fishy about this, I've cod to say.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
JoJ @ I need a tune rite about now . . .
Stonicus @ 11:
Pretty much. Welcome to GOP liberty. Go about your business and don't make waves.
Cindy needs to leave this one to others. Although a high-profile can help in an issue, her being against the war and now for impeachment could be taken for personal enmity of boosh.
I think to impeach boosh we need the celebrity with the highest profile of all, Tommy Chong.
Cindy's doing the job Americans don't want to do.
"Put their asses on the line"
I don't understand Cindy Sheehan anymore. She is now actively undermining the Democratic party, even though they are the ones who actively supported her. What she does not realize is that the republicans are waiting for these fissures to develop, so they can sneak in again and make things much much much worse.
Having said the above, I do admire Cindy for her courage, but it would be beneficial to all if she directed her anger at those deserving it.
Just my penny's worth of thought.
Dont blame the GOP for this - this is at Conyers feet. She wasnt panhandling for change, she was demanding justice at the highest level.
Conyers, Cindy now has your balls - you are left holding the bag.
Conyers, like all democrats today - proves his worth.
bbwar @ 21:
Someones got to defend and protect the Constitution.
‘Free Speech’, You don’t need no stinking Free Speech’
bbwar @ 21:
Bush has actually implemented monarchical political theories - those arent my words, they are the words of conservative republican Bruce Fine.
That constitutes a crime against all that this country has ever been or stood for. Addressing it is paramount.
The democrats shame themselves and reveal themselves for what they are for tolerating a transition from representative democracy to fascism/monarchy/empire.
If Cindy embarrases you, then you are with Bush because Cindy is with not only freedom but history.
I mean Pelosi's been more concerned about her publishing deal for her Memoirs then doing what she was elected to do.
bbwar @ 21:
She took a petition for impeachment with over 1 million signatures, and she got arrested, a Democrat, Conyers called the cops on her.
It look more to me that the Democrats in congress have undermined the base supporters that put them in majority in the house.
The Democrats seem to have sold us down the river.
That is my humble opinion
I admire Cindy Sheehan's energy to speak out.
That being said, why go after John Conyers? Conyers has been one of the few members of Congress to continually support the impeachment of Bush and Cheney. Attacking Conyers is counter-productive. On one level I can see the outrage at the Democrats, but on another level, they are now being easily scapegoatd for the failures of the Bush administration in Iraq. Not all Democrats voted for war authorization in Iraq whereas minus a very few Republicans signed onto the Bush-Cheney-Rove strategy for war. By no means am I excusing the Democrats more fierce opposition to the war on Iraq. But the Congressional Black Caucus has been the loudest segment of the Democratic Party to speak out against the Bush administration when many others were very timid to do so. John Conyers and former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney led the charge of criticisms of the Bush administration. Most Republicans and right-wingers view Conyers as a radical congressman as well.
Why doesn't Cindy Sheehan spend some time protesting and making demands of Republicans such as John Boehner, Roy Blunt, Mitch McConnell, Orrin Hatch, Trent Lott, Jon Cornyn, Kay Bailey Hutchison, Tom Coburn, John McCain and Jon Kyl?
Has Cindy Sheehan ever gone to Joe Lieberman's office and put up a fuss there?
What this country needs is a hell of a lot more 'disorderly conduct', a big dose of 'civil disobedience', some 'disruptive demonstrations', and a couple-million-person march on Washington, all shouting 'F*CK YOU', in chorus, to the 'powers that be'.
The sooner the 'powers that be' become the 'powers that were', the better off we all will be.
IMPEACH THE DUMMY
ELECT THE SHEEHAN
It is true impeachment is not a fringe movement but only cindy sheehan and 200 other brave souls had the courage to get off their asses and do something about it besides continue to support her with our blog entries. The rest of us and i include myself are cowards. I am ashamed that my job that i just got fired from was more important to me because i had bills to pay and a wife and child I am responsible for, was more important to me then the future of our country. (I am a truck driver who just got fired for doing pre-trips I was costing the company too much money when other drivers would just get in and go. I was actually told i am an asshole because i would not drive my trailer with two flat tires because there are more important things in life then safety and everybody else would have just kicked them. I was hated by a certain dispatch because as the safety coordinator relayed to me many drivers who had not done post trips lost their safety bonuses because i found flat tires on trucks they had driven last. People please do not drive near tractor trailers the vast majority of companies do not practice basic pre trips(tires, oil, fuel filters, brakes, hoses) that is mandated by law. Drivers get their paperwork kick the tires and go.)
Rusty Shackleford @ 13:
I agree. *rolls eyes* Conyers is the LAST Dem we should be protesting. He's the closest thing to a hero we've got.
Orwell's Illegitimate Son @ 16:
Why be concerned about being liked by those that choose war. Why worry about offending those that choose death.
To the contrary, we should be standing on their necks.
We keep hearing this "oh no impeachment will disrupt the country" crap.
I say do it to let these guys know people mean business. I don't care if they only got 18 months left and Bush slides anyway get it out there and at the least ban these guys from ever running for office again.
L.A. Confidential @ 25:
Don't you think that, maybe - just maybe - she's DOING what she was put in office to do?
I don't know what your level of understanding is when it comes to San Francisco politics, but it's always been pretty dirty and corrupt.
Consider this: Jim Jones of "Jonestown" infamy was a huge political donor to people like Moscone, Milk, both Browns (Jerry and Willie) and even helped raise money for Walter Mondale. Hell, Pelosi's father was a corrupt mayor of Baltimore, MD.
This is all going according to plan. Don't kid yourself by thinking otherwise.
Why doesn't Cindy run against Dan Lungren, one of the most toxic Republicans in the country, and she lives within walking distance from his district, OOH never mind that wouldn't get nearly as much press.
We should move forward with the impeachment proceedings and smoke out the anti-constitutional cowards.
Mr. XXXX @ 27:
Sorry, but READ A BOOK. Conyers chairs the very committee that should start impeachment proceedings. She was at exactly the right place and HE ARRESTED HER RATHER THAN IMPEACH BUSH.
One way to bring the troops home, at least the National Guard and the Reservists, would be to have nationwide anti-war riots.
She's not "going after him". If anyone is going to ever present articles of impeachment, he's one of em. Going to someone on the fence would be pointless. She's not out to change minds, but to get the ones already on her side to starting doing something.
Totally pointless. A talk with Lieberman is going to make him see the light and support impeachment? Not a chance.
No, she should have been left alone. The real culprits are those old hags who took their tops off and visually attacked passer-bys with their fried egg chests.
Lawd. Where they doing that to get me to VOTE for Hillary? If anything, it makes me despise her worse. You're only as noble as the company you keep. Hillary, there's no nobility in nude, old, women.
What the hell was Conyers supposed to do? There were over 200 people in his office and despite what they think, CONYERS IS ON OUR SIDE!
I want impeachment but if it already isn't difficult enough as is, attacking supporters of impeachment like this only makes it tougher because it will embolden the hard line opposition and scare away fence sitters.
Plus, Conyers granted an audience to Sheehan and a few others. He didn't have to do that. He could have thrown them out immediately. After all, they were causing a disruption and I'm pretty sure most of the members weren't in his constituency.
I am sorry but Cindy Sheehan is losing it - if she hasn't already. It was bad enough with her supporting Hugo Chavez and then joining the 9/11 conspiracy theorists (I sincerely loathe them as much as the Fox News punditry).
The problem is that this stunt wasn't about impeachment, it was about image. Pure and simple and Sheehan helped no one but Fox Nothing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM9UpG0drug
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Annoyed @ 40:
Cindys the only god damn anti war activist the lame stream media will cover. If it wasn't for her we'd never even hear a peep about the pro peace movement. You ever consider that?
Just what was she doing? The article doesn't say. What does Conyers have to say about it?
Annoyed @ 40:
Conyers chairs the very committee that starts the impeachment process. She delivered petitions signed by a million to him - the man in charge. Have you read the trial? Sounds like you are saying conyers let her kiss his ring.
What should conyers have done - gone to lunch - taken a walk ... wait for it - IMPEACH BUSH.
L.A. Confidential @ 20:
I'd rather put my nose.
Okay, I'll admit: I AM a conspiracy theorist.
Cindy Sheehan is PURPOSEFULLY sabotaging the anti-war movement in this country. I think today's actions ought to make that crystal-clear.
She accomplished nothing good by pulling this stunt. She is single-handedly discrediting the "progressive anti-war" crowd by her actions, and I don't think it's on accident.
I think it's intentional.
Conyers was #13 on President Richard Nixon's enemies list during Nixon's 1969–1974 presidential tenure. The president's Chief Counsel described him as "coming on fast" and that he was "emerging" as a "black anti-Nixon spokesman" who also had a "weakness" for white women. Conyers is the last remaining member of the House Judiciary Committee who had voted on the Articles of Impeachment against Nixon in July 1974.
So what happened? He getting to comfortable now?
Protest is part of the American system. At least it was till the GOP gained control.
THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED BY TROUBLEMAKERS!
You don't lobby people that can't be influenced. Lobbying Conyers office was the right thing to do. Talk to Liebermann? What for? He wouldn't have listened at ALL. Conyers gave her leeway and at least he listened.
Who called security? That is the question.
I support anyone's right to protest...I support hers.
Annoyed @ 40:
I agree with yoiu 100%.
I believe Conyers gave them an hour. It was not like he threw them out and called for their arrest on the spot. Since none of you were there, nobody knows precisely why they were arrested. I suppose if I went into any office, including my town hall and created a scene, that they too would call the cops as well. When a congressman, congresswoman, or Senator does not work in your district, they do not have to talk with you.
I know some here want impeachment proceedings to start today already! However, that is not how government works. Its a process for one. Yes, I know Conyers can bring about impeachment, for the smart ass who told me to read a book here. Well, I know that. My contention is that Sheehan endlessly criticizes and scapegoats the Democrats for Bush's war on Iraq. I will hold to that view. Yes, it seems that Sheehan did not spend the time at the offices of Republicans when they were in the majority as she is now doing. Sheehan should spend time protesting and making a fuss to those Republicans who keep rubber-stamping Bush on every issue.
So, don't vote for the Democrats the next time around, but don't complain when this nation really goes Fascist under GOP led rule. Some in here do not understand the slow process of change and process in government. I suggest some of you in here go read about Watergate. Those proceedings did not happen overnight, either.
I'm trying to stay out of the line of fire here, but I have questions. Did she refuse to leave his office when asked?
Orwell's Illegitimate Son @ 46:
Yes, for whatever "Antiwar movement" actually exists anyway.
Orwell's Illegitimate Son @ 46:
I can't buy that one. Thats like saying Martin Luther King was purposefully sabotaging the long term future of the civil rights movement just for his own short term personal gain.
What it comes down to is people in this country aren't actively involved anymore. Unless it's TV or the Internet or You Tube. Sheehan is out there pounding the pavement, risking life and limb 24/7 and she's considered "weird".
Strange times we live in. Real strange.
Cindy has full moral and rational authority for doing what she does. If my child was killed I'd do the same. She has tremendous courage and is calling out the liars and hypocrits for what they are.
Let's not be fooled anymore both the democrats and republicans are complicit in the oil grab that is the iraqmire. Time to march on Washington something i have not done since college during the first Iraq war. Except this time lets surround the white house and capital building and prepare to stay and sit in until the peoples will is finally heard they cannot arrest all of us.
conyer weaseled out so he must be reckoned with . . .
L.A. Confidential @ 52:
Sadly this is supposed to be a progressive site and this type of cynicism is rampant in all of us: they win.
First of all, I am sick of "she did good in the beginning, don't criticize her".
The troublemakers who founded this country targeted a king, Cindy's "troublemakers" instead of targetting our own tyrant, are instead leading a cannibalization of the people who are supporting us.
Conyers has said that if three more reps. sign on, he'll push forward. Think anyone would come forward now after this idiotic stunt? They'll just be painted as being in her corner and no offense but for the good in the beginning, she is hurting the movement she helped push forward.
This wasn't for anyone's benefit but her own. Plain and simple. As someone pointed out, rather than take on a slimeball politician who is near her district, she is instead targeting the House Majority Leader because it gets more attention than challenging a faceless Rep. in the eyes of the media.
The only thing the Cons see is ENEMIES everywhere they look.
It's not about breaking down barriers and opening dialog to them.
They know what they want. MONEY. POWER. And they are willing to do all out war to get it.
THAT is the issue.
News Flash:
This just in - THE MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DON'T CARE AND DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANYTHING THAT MATTERS ANYMORE.
When a society can allow two sports "stars" in one small city (Pittsburgh) to sign contracts worth a combined $76.5 MILLION dollars over the next five years, and the average citizen's reaction is "They deserve every penny," then I'd say that society ain't paying attention to what really counts.
And, it doesn't deserve to be saved.
Mr. XXXX @ 49:
It isnt slow, it is like lightning. Bush in seven years has undone this nations centuries old history. Tell me that isnt true. What you perceive as slow change isnt change at all. Nothing has happened in congress and I challenge you to show me just how congress can:
1) defund the war
2) undo patriot act (bush veto)
3) undo military commissions act (bush veto)
4) prevent presidential directive 51
5) prosecute criminals (Gonzales and Bush pardons)
6) challenge Bush signing statements (kings legislation) in court (Alito invented signing statements)
... and more.
This congress isnt moving at all. They could defund the war by tabling the budget. They wont. They could challenge Bush, who is becoming a king/emperor by starting impeachment - conyers wont.
At this point it is clear the democrats are not the solution. They were given their marching orders in '06 and are ignoring them.
This is a one party state - functionally - at this point.
Did she expect Conyers to start impeachment proceedings before she left his office? The truth is, he can't get the votes and to go into impeachment proceedings knowing it isn't going to pass the first hurdle seems the wrong thing to do. I would love to see the whole administration behind bars, but reality is what it is.
. . . and I thought conyer had a big package . . . . . Was iIwrong . . .
Sorry, Ed, but "they" won a long, long time ago.
L.A. Confidential @ 52:
Not as strange as you think. CodePink has been a CIA-front group for years. The government often uses front groups to undermine legitimate movements and often some people are easily controlled and do not even realize it. Check out Project Monarch, the Phoneix project and MKULTRA of the CIA. King was legitimate but there are always government infiltrators lurking in every movement. Data collection and sabotage is what the CIA and other intelligence agencies do undercover deep cover and use various methods and use various people. Nothing is out of the realm of possibility. When one is very vulnerable, then that individual makes a good candidate for being easily manipulated and swayed to do others bidding without even knowing they are being used for a patsy.
Court of Progressive Justice @ 55:
How did he "weasel out"?
With all due respect, but this was an incredibly stupid action.
Why is she and why are lots of you unwilling to understand that there aren´t enough votes for impeachment? Criminal contempt is a lost case as well. The only possible way to stop den Führer is inherent contempt and Conyers knows that.
I doubt being the mother of a dead soldier is exactly the qualification one needs to run for Nancy Pelosi´s job.
Rusty Shackleford @ 65:
He said he was for impeachment . . . . . but now he cops out.
Mr. XXXX @ 64:
Who pays you ... who do you work for. That was a plant post if ever I saw one. I think we found a provacateur.
I will say this, you arent very good at it. My guess is your checks wont continue coming for long.
I am sorry they win for now but we(the entire human race) will loose in the not so distant future when our economy collapses and the arctic poles melt causing world wide catastrophe on a large scale like the flood that breached the Japanese nuclear plant. Imagine all the nuclear waste on this planet submerged in water spreading the waste world wide by radioactive oceans. Please wake up in the last month alone japan and England have had environmental catastrophes we had Katrina what do we have to look forward to in the next ten years.
He didn't say he is no longer for it, he said he doesn't have the votes. That's not a weasel. I can say I want to go to Hawaii, but since I don't have the money right now, I can't go. I'm not weaseling out on what I want to do, just facing the reality of the moment.
Mr. XXXX @ 64:
anon -
Umm, if you would put down the NYTimes and turn off CNN for a few moments, you might see that he's 100-percent correct.
Court of Progressive Justice @ 67:
Not having the votes isn't "copping out."
the 4th Reich is rising @ 66:
A comment - if you play by the rules, then they have already won. They designed it that way. They are thugs, but they understand how rule followers fence themselves in. You are fenced in.
What do you do ... what did Ghandi do ... follow the rules? What did King do ... follow the rules? You do understand that not following the rules ended the vietnam war. Following the rules has resulted in this war being longer than WWII.
If you see no alternatives - then you have already lost. You were meant to lose.
Cindy went over the fence.
see if you can spot casey sheehan
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tMACzBomDK4
Then we have a system still to this DAY pounding everyone right down to the last trailer park dweller with "you can live like this someday too with little or next to no effort if you'll just buy our program!"
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Orwell's Illegitimate Son @ 63:
I know you do not have to apologize:)and have said as much this nation was doomed the day bush was appointed and no one not even cindy showed up to protest it. I knew it then and i know it now i really do not have any hope i think we are just like the band that played on while the titanic kept sinking we only blog to keep from jumping off. We will all drown that is the plain reality.
Orwell's Illegitimate Son @ 72:
Dont read the NYTimes - I live in Arizona. I dont have cable. But I have been where Cindy is now, being older than her.
Conyers played the authority card - ask a black man on the street about the authority card. He had options, he just didnt use them.
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1) Wasn't is just yesterday that Conyers said he needs 3 more votes to move ahead with articles of impeachment and chimpeachment? And now he's doing his Pelosi imitation?
2) Sheehan is an embarassment. She doesn't have a snowball's chance of unseating Pelosi. She's become a publicity whore.
Rusty Shackleford @ 73:
Well the cops saw her out.
didn't she say she would stop? guess not...
One) She broke the law and was "punished". The Rule of Law is served.
Two) She got the media attention she wanted. The Rule of Buzz is served.
Justice is probably going to sit this out, since the issues are far too clouded by rhetoric, smoke screens, and buzzword bingo on all sides of the issue.
If Conyer was on the side of the U.S. Constitution and pro-civil rights movement, then he should honor his obligation to our constitution, bill of rights and the laws that governs our land over the obligation he believes he has for the Speaker and the Democratic Party instead of cherry picking what is politically convenient and avantageous to him. This is the kind of behavior and practices that we have witness time and time again.
That is why I am so CRITICAL with the current DEMOCRATS in office much similar discontent I have with the Republicans.
When it works for them, they apply the laws. When political manuevering works for them then they apply the political tactics......without the regards to the people they serve. They want to APPEAR as though they are on your side, but their action changes when the politicians meets their personal objectives. This is NOT right. They (the politicians) are "public servants" employed by the PEOPLE and NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
Once authority is handed to them, they lose sight of who they are and become AUTHORITARIAN as if they are kings and queens and part of a royal family that have the rights to do what it pleases to those they classify as phesants.
It is this attitude and arrogance that sinply unacceptable to the AMERICAN public. The politicians had forgotten their role. They abuse their power and arbitrarily spend the peoples money at their descretion without considering the taxpayer. They Tax-payer has the INalienable RIGHTS to question, monitor and demand accountability. They have a much GREATER interest in the way the government is runned, managed and operated. The PEOPLE of a DEMOCRATIC society has the rights to disagree and demand from their representatives.
For Conyer to order the arrest of a peaceful protestor is NOT being honorable. It is NOT diplomatic and NOT being considerable. It is NOT honoring Civil liberty and Civil Rights. It is exercising alienation and un-qualified use of power over it's people. LET me remind you that the POLITICIANS work for the people. They are public servants. It is not right for CONYERS to call for an arrest when the protest is appropriate and reasons behind it is ligitimate.
They people ARE angry for the lies, betrayal and the blatant disregard for them......by those who particularly IS suppose to represent them. In any situation an EMPLOYER has the RIGHT to fire, or remove employees who do NOT perform their duty or who do not abide by the rules of employment. In this very case the EMPLOYER is the WE the PEOPLE and the employee IS the public servant (the politicians).
AMERICA need to make this LOUD AND CLEAR.
I am losing patience with people who seem to want to squash Cindy Sheehan. Either they say she's not doing things the right way, or she's doing things the right way with the wrong people, or they say she doesn't look the right way while she's doing what she's doing...
Hello out there, this is AMERICA, RIGHT? If a woman who lost the most important thing in her world (her SON) is frustrated enough to get up in peoples' faces and call them to account, well GOOD FOR HER. She is a lot more proactive than some folks who sit on their asses and take potshots from a keyboard. The government is paid for by OUR tax dollars and if we don't get a say in what happens -- well, see where it has gotten us thus far to let the experts run our shit into the ground.
My toddler is named Casey. If anyone harmed him they would have a freaking banshee on their neck, no matter what office they held. Cindy is doing the tough work, let her be!
Go Cindy!!!
It's the job of the dem leadership to get the fucking votes
and if they cant they have FAILED AGAIN !
Give Cindy Sheehan credit for her peace activism, but her new career in politics is a dud.
She theatens to run against Pelosi because the latter won't start impeachment proceedings against Bush. But Bush's term will end with the election Sheehan wants to enter. And anybody who can count to 60 knows that impeachment will fail in the Senate.
Just a couple of months ago, she announced her retirement public life, citing fatigue, disillusionment and the toll her activism has taken on her family. Now she wants to run for Congress. What will she announce next? An endorsement deal for Cindy Flakes breakfast cereal? Conversion to a born-again church?
Cindy is a poster child for ineffectual progressive politics. She's a well-meaning, naive, flake.
Bush designed this from his appointment on based on the assumption that if his opposition followed the rules, they would lose in the first inning.
Tell me about the rules again. Dont tell me about the reality. The reality isnt constrained by 'rules'. You constrain yourself. Cindy isnt following the rules. You are following the rules and you lost in 2000.
They have a counter to all the rules. (Signing statements, Gonzales, presidential directive 51, supreme court, brown shirts in congress, subversion of hatch act etc).
I hope she never follows the rules. She wont lose until she does.
Ed @ 77:
Gore should have taken it by a huge margin just based on the economy.
I guess everyone was to busy with Napster or Day Trading to remember to Vote.
Mr. XXXX @ 79:
Dude you really need to take a breath and stop calling us names (hands together ohhhm, ohhhhm, ohhhhm) the only people here who cares about the republican party are the trolls. Please lets stay focused and direct our passionate dissent on our government. Belittling people who care as much as you will only continue to divide us. :) peace be with you
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Annoyed Canuck @ 87:
What? You dont think someone chose her, do you?
She is who she is. She didnt ask to be put in the place she finds herself. But she is acting.
And you think she just isnt pretty enough.
You are a nuts canuck.
Have we heard any of the details ofthis?
Rusty Shackleford your link goes to this site :
http://youtube.com/watch?v=p_tuLEmWccM
Who is this Nazi are we supposed to be impressed ?
Ed, thank you for comment #90. That needed to be said and you said it so nicely. :)
All Bush does is veto anything, any bill that helps America and Americans (or inconveniences his cronies) then goes right back to talking about terror and iraq 24/7.
"I want to do whats right for America"
Huh?
Cindy was not the only person there. She was accompanied by Ray McGovern, a 27-year veteran analyst of the CIA and co-founder of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS). Here's his comments on the incident:
You can read the rest here:
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/072407a.html
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[...] Clark Link to Article dick cheney Cindy Sheehan arrested while calling for Bush/Cheney Impeachment » [...]
And he built a crooked house
There was a crooked man, and he won a crooked race,
with help from crooked judges, locked in crooked embrace.
And with help from crooked House, and crooked airwave friends,
they started a crooked war, one that never ends.
Then there were crooked landings, and crooked contractors too,
and our lives were overwhelmed with warbloggers, covering us in spew.
And when it came time to stop this, why what did we, the foolish, do?
We gave them trillions more, to toss in crooked stew.
It was always another six months, until the worst was through,
and then another six months, until all the lies were true.
But after every crooked year, it was always just the same,
searching all around, for someone for to blame.
Iraq is just the smoke, under which there is a fire,
rising out of oozing black, and corrupting crooked mire.
We've got to look in the mirror, and then we will have to see,
it isn't crooked politicians that brought us here.
It's only crooked me.
- by Liberty at jesus' general
pissed off patricia @ 94:
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anon @ 91:
Court of Progressive Justice @ 93:
Yah, that is Yngwie and he is your god, little boy. Don't make him unleash the fookin' fury!!!!!
So maybe Conyers is afraid Bush can now confiscate his property for undermining the Iraq reconstruction effort.
Is that it these days?
Don't you know it hurts America to criticize a dumb-as-a-brick, shit-brained, ignorant, incapable, warped, deluded, murderous, arrogant, twatty president?
Sorry, apparently my link didn't make it....
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/072407a.html
Well, I will hold off any more on this subject, at this point. I have the utmost respect for Ray McGovern. McGovern has been a constant critic of the neocons and the Bush-Cheney administration. McGovern is a man of action as well.
Mr. XXXX @ 98:
Read 96
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Rusty Shackleford @ 100:
He sure as shit ain't my god . . . In fact Hendrix had more talent in his stool than this nazi.
I would gladly send a few pennies to support Cindy Sheehan's bid to oust Nancy Pelosi. Unfortunately, that would not make Sheehan the Speaker of the House, just another loud voice in the rear of the chamber. Also, Sheehan would arrive too late to impeach Bush.
That said, Pelsoi should pay for betraying the people of this country. Pelosi was elected to impeach the Bush administration, but she refused to do it. That means she's OUT, and somebody else is IN. I don't blame Pelosi for all the bills blocked by Bush and the corrupt Republican scumbags in congress, but I do condemn her for shirking her duty to a nation in dire need of real moral leadership.
The one thing America really needed Nancy Pelosi to do, she refused to do.
L.A. Confidential @ 89:
I remember it like it was yesterday i was working as a house manager of a group home for mentally retarded adults and even the three mildly retarded adults i served cared enough to vote for gore they asked me to explain the issues and they all chose gore i chose Nader maybe it is my fault all of us who "wasted our vote" for Nader. Not a defense i just remembered learning about him in high school and i respected his service to our country in actual ways(he is solely responsible for seat belts that alone has saved more lives then any politician ever has)then as a very idealistic college student when i joined a effort to get him to run back in the early nineties i thought it would be very intellectually dishonest of me to vote for gore when here was my high school and college hero running. I loved his line if you are voting for the least of two evils you still have evil. In the last election i voted for Kerry and the republicans still stole another election so what was the point. Unless Kucinich is the nominee this time i will not vote because i voted against my conscience last time with kerry never again hell will freeze over before i vote for hillery.
pissed off patricia @ 61:
cindy might think of finding the three other congresspersons needed for conyers to bring the impeachment hearings. It's the process that matters!
Court of Progressive Justice @ 106:
*Pssst... the video is a parody...*
Fanon @ 99:
anon @ 91:
Uh, no, I didn't say anything about her looks. Don't know where you got that from.
As I said, give her credit for her activism.
Yes, she is who she is. So are we all, for better or worse.
My two cents: if you want to nail Dick 'n W and their henchmen, use the Democratic majority in Congress to its limit. Run hearings every day, on every abuse, lie and corrupt act. Paper the administration with subpeonas. If they refuse, force the issue without delay. Do it hard and fast. Don't give an inch. Leahy is on the right track, he just isn't moving fast enough. If impeachment comes from this, well and good. If not, get whatever indictments and resignations you can, save the constitution and stop the war.
Stop the posturing and the theatrics. What good did Cindy achieve by occupying Conyers' office? Ridiculous. Is he the enemy, or Bush/Cheney?
Fanon @ 99:
anon @ 91:
Annoyed Canuck @ 87:
And you think she just isnt pretty enough.
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What? Where the hell did that come from? He didn’t say anything like that. I have to agree that I find her a flake.
I don’t know what Cindy’s intention was, but maybe she would have been better served trying to lobby some fence sitters who might be brought around to support an impeachment vote. She did, however, get press coverage for her million signature petition. Maybe that’s worth something, I don’t know.
--- repost, I messed the other one up.
Its a metaphor. He was criticizing her inability to hit right on a pitch high and inside. You see, she isnt a baseball player. She is a mother. She didnt attend an antiwar training camp. She is a mother. If you want to be critical of conyers, do so. He is a volunteer from the start and a professional to boot. Well trained with vast experience.
Cindy is a mom. Someone else put her where she is. She didnt fold, she acted. Is she perfect? Is she doing everything perfectly? Idiotic questions. She was put where she is and decided - flaws and all -that she should do something about it.
I commend her. The nuts canuck criticizes a woman that was prepared to be a mother and wife for being unprepared to deal with a situation that was not of her creation or choosing.
Perhaps he would have prefered she do nothing.
He needs to rethink his comments.
To quote an old Laughin tag line.. Interesting...very very interesting... Congress doesn't seem to have ANY trouble whatsoever getting an anti-war protester arrested... For whatever trumped up or not violation of what??? disorderly conduct??? Boy that's a laugh... 'Outside' the office of a congressional rep... exercising what used to be quaintly referred to as free speech... YET somehow, thru some dark mystical process that certainly eludes me.. They can't seem to figure out how to send the Congressional master at arms to 'escort' Miers or any other Bushco tool into chambers for an interview... Nope, can't seem to find a way to do THAT... Even though, these individuals desired for an interview before congress are currently, and have been, engaged in giving these learned statesman a big rhetorical FUCK YOU right to their faces.. and the general public as well...Yea...interesting...damned interesting....Credibility anyone???? JD
Conyers has said repeatedly that he only needs three more votes to get this started. That means two things:
1) He doesn't have the votes, doing anything now will just get the MSM to embarass him and the whole process.
2) Cindy Sheehan and the rest could have gone to any of the hundreds of Dems that haven't committed and harassed them. Hell, start with Peter DeFazio (OR) who wasn't for impeachment before, but just got REJECTED by the White House to receive critical information regarding his committee.
I've liked Cindy Sheehan, she still has my sympathy for what has happened to her, but I thought she had very publicly stated she wasn't being seeking attention anymore just a month or so ago. I don't think this was a smart move on her part, and it's making people all around who want the same thing turn on each other.
Canuck, I have said this before ... its checkmate. If you follow the 'rules' they won in 2000. There is nothing congress can do. Just what do you expect to come out of committee? Indictments? Delivered for prosecution to who ... Gonzales? Bush just made it clear, no indictments for his administration.
Maybe you expect legislation. Veto, filibuster etc ...
Maybe you just arent familiar with the US system. Congress is in chains. All they can do is create publicity ... wait, you wouldnt want that. That is after all what Cindy is doing.
Pretty is a metaphor - not to your liking.
anon @111
I don't think you know what a metaphor is. There are plenty of people in life who are thrust into situations that they are unprepared for. That does not stop one from acting thoughtfully and with full awareness of their actions. Furthermore, she wasn't thrust upon the scene, as it were, yesterday. How long has she been involved in the DC arena? 2 years? Long enough to know that she may just be someone's idea of a way to get media coverage, or at least she should.
Her cross is a little small. Shouldn't she have to drag it?
"And anybody who can count to 60 knows that impeachment will fail in the Senate."
Pretty much. The American people rewarded Bush for a second term in 2004, hopefully the extended occupation will remind people to never allow that to happen again.
pissed off patricia @ 94:
To be honest i actually deleted a response that was filled with vitriol and i said to myself i can not allow myself to fall into the divisive trap so i re-worded my response in a tactful manner believe you me the site monitor would have deleted the original post i deleted. I am no saint. My own personal philosophy is: to PRACTICE PEACEFULNESS it is not enough to pray for peace that leaves it up to God, it is not enough to visualize peace that leaves it up to the imagination, it is not enough to preach about peace that leaves it a abstract concept you only hear in church. It is not enough to have a political slogan or platform of peace that leaves it up to politicians. Only humans practicing peacefulness humanely will peace ever be realized. But by no means am i a perfect practitioner i fail every day but i try to check myself when i can because as long as i can stop myself from disturbing the peace of those who i come in contact each day i will be doing my little part.
Fanon @ 117:
I do understand metaphor - she isnt pretty enough - not to his liking. (Assuming you understand the significance of pretty as applied to a female from a male perspective)
You are simply saying the same thing he said - she isnt pretty enough. I'll say it to you. She is a mom and wife who was thrown off a cliff and you are complaining that you dont like the way she is plummeting to the ground ... she isnt a bird. She didnt train for flight. She hasnt spent her life dreaming of flying. She didnt jump, she was thrown ...
... but she isnt pretty enough for some and falls like a stone that is trying to fly.
I'm guessing it won't be too long before we all get a personal guided tour of all of those super-max prisons Halliburton has been building in the upper Northwest US.
What the heck is wrong with all of you?
1) Bush will not be impeached. It is impossible, as we do not have sufficient time and will never get enough votes. So what good will any of it do? except get more negative publicity for the Democratic party.
2) Cindy is causing noise for absolutely no reason. She should move away from the impeachment angle and stick with the "Pull troops out" angle. I am sorry, she is well meaning but completely scatter-brained and not focused on any single thing.
Many of you are going to come after me for saying the above, but it is high time for us to be as organized as the right in honing and delivering a message, rather than be all over the board and drowning in noise.
We should pull the troops out first, as the investigations into the administration continues. Impeachment does not serve anything except cause a lot of noise. However, convicting officials sends a much more powerful message to all. The bottomline is that this administration has raped our constitution and they need to be put away.
Once again, if there was even the slightest chance of impeachment succeeding, my thoughts would have been different.
Also, I am not knocking Cindy Sheehan as a person, I like her and agree that she has got more balls than any politician out there, but she needs better focus and direction.
Seele^ @ 121:
If timed correctly, and if the democrats had any balls, the trial in the senate could occur in October of 2008 just before the elections in November. That would plaster the Bush admins crimes all over the media just prior to the elections - a democratic October suprise. Trust me, the republicans have the election of 2008 caged and stolen. It will take something this extreme to overcome that. That is, if the democrats had balls.
Give me a break....Conyers will do absolutely nothing....as already proven by his
lack of inaction against Fielding/Bolton when they ignore the subpeona issued to
Harriett Miers to give testimony before Conyers's House Judiary Committee. He
"threatened", on JULY 20th(4 days ago) that if he did not have an answer to his
demands in the letter of 07/20 by 10:00AM YESTERDAY, he(Conyers would take
appropriate action). Well Monday 10:00AM came and went and Conyers then
issued another "threat"..."I want an answer by noon Wednesday(tomorrow)." When
tomorrow comes, Conyers will probably issue another thinly veiled threat..giving
Fielding/Bolton until Thur./Friday or Monday of next week to respond. Conyers
is all talk and bluster, but lacks the spine to act. He is a HUGE disappointment,
as are all members of the House Judiciary Committee. I can now go and tune in
to CSPAN and see the other Committee "pissing in the wind"..
she isnt pretty enough - not to his liking - is not a metaphor. But, whatever, simply saying that "she's a mom, she wasn't prepared for this" wears pretty thin at this point. She has been in the political arena, for better or worse, for 2 years?? She's raised a lot of money and a lot of awareness, so she is obviously bright and talented. So, stop it with the how could she know, she's just a mom line.
\I agree that she lost focus when she caught up in this impeachement thing. She should have stuck with her original fight of bringing the troops home. She's being used to garner publicity for someone else's agenda.
anon @ 126:
They need a conscience as well and everyone knows political conscience is an oxymoron. You only act on principle and you would have to have high personal standards beyond getting elected or re-elected.
lurch @ 120:
She doesn't want to look like a republican in the dock.
Fanon @ 128:
What i can not understand about her is she pulls a Perot and says i am getting out of the public limelight then the next thing you know she is leading a march to the white house i wonder if i was the only one who was confused by that pronouncement of hers. I actually had respect for her when she gave valid reasons for withdrawing from the spotlight and now she is running for congress. I just hope she does not let this country down like Perot did he could have started a viable third party but i believe they got to him and paid him off.
Ed @ 91:
And May the Farce Be With You.
ysbaddaden @ 132:
you mean the swartz:) ysbadden I see your swatrz is as big as mine there is something i must tell you you are my neice's nefews uncles ex roomate. so what does that make us. Absolutely nothing.
What the hell was Conyers supposed to do? There were over 200 people in his office and despite what they think, CONYERS IS ON OUR SIDE!
I want impeachment but if it already isn’t difficult enough as is, attacking supporters of impeachment like this only makes it tougher because it will embolden the hard line opposition and scare away fence sitters.
Plus, Conyers granted an audience to Sheehan and a few others. He didn’t have to do that. He could have thrown them out immediately. After all, they were causing a disruption and I’m pretty sure most of the members weren’t in his constituency.
I am sorry but Cindy Sheehan is losing it - if she hasn’t already. It was bad enough with her supporting Hugo Chavez and then joining the 9/11 conspiracy theorists (I sincerely loathe them as much as the Fox News punditry).
The problem is that this stunt wasn’t about impeachment, it was about image. Pure and simple and Sheehan helped no one but Fox Nothing
RIGHT ON ! Making progress politically takes a cooler head and savy choices to bring people to your side. Cindy is going bonkers, and her effectiveness is depleated. People use her to demonize the thinking majority of this country as the "Far/Looney Left". I want impeachment just as much as anyone else, but this psuedo-sixties rabble rousing doesn't build support, it only helps the Freeper crowd. And as for Cindy's support of Chavez... oh my God woman...do your frickin homework and you'll see how Chavez is a despot just like Bush and Cheney are hell bent on becoming.
Fanon @ 128:
I encounter this alot. I think it is because this is a zero sum social darwinist type country. You either kick ass and take names or you are considered a loser and are expected to disappear.
I'm not like that. She has a cause, whether she is capable of dealing with or smart enough to deal with not withstanding, that was not of her choosing and I will not interfere with it.
Everyone has a right to act in these circumstances - being the best/topdog/smartest/'prettiest' just doesnt deserve consideration in my opinion.
Ed @ 131:
What i can not understand about her is she pulls a Perot and says i am getting out of the public limelight then the next thing you know she is leading a march to the white house i wonder if i was the only one who was confused by that pronouncement of hers. I actually had respect for her when she gave valid reasons for withdrawing from the spotlight and now she is running for congress. I just hope she does not let this country down like Perot did he could have started a viable third party but i believe they got to him and paid him off.
So are you saying she does have some kind of right to change her mind?? Especially after she was rested up, after at least one of 'big-time' [in their own mind] 'Democratic' [because they say so] site took to vilifying her because she wouldn't be their tool?
What a limited life you must lead, if someone changing their mind leaves you confused.
Ed @ 131:
If I may, you are reading a clinton triangulation into this. I doubt this was a tactic. I suspect she was beat down and depressed. I suspect she meant every word. Although it is clear to me that many here see her as an opportunist of some description, I dont. I see her as authentically leading with her chin (heart - just to remain clear with Fanon :) ). I see her as surprisingly guilless, simple and direct. (I suppose I could be wrong. I havent seen anything to date to make me believe that however).
Conyers, as a politician, is a triangulator.
miss_kitty @ 136:
So are you saying she does have some kind of right to change her mind?? Especially after she was rested up, after at least one of 'big-time' [in their own mind] 'Democratic' [because they say so] site took to vilifying her because she wouldn't be their tool?
What a limited life you must lead, if someone changing their mind leaves you confused.
You must of missed my point. Maybee i was too subtle i was merely trying to say maybee why she causes the reaction some (not me) is that she pulled a Perot who took the wind out of the people's sails when he kept hedging on wether or not to run finally deciding to run but by that time he had exposed himself in the eyes of the public as an indicisive leader.
Ed @ 138:
Must have. Sorry. Peril of teh internets. :mrgreen:
anon @ 137:
I apologize for offending those who support her. I am one she is perfectly in her rights to change her mind and to be beaten down for god sakes i am right now i just got fired for doing the right thing on my job. Please forgive me for being confused i make no claims at being perfect.
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Ed @ 133:
I always thought Mel Brooks shoulda used the Farce instead of the Schwartz.
This is a great thread because the trolls/ plants are openly revealing themselves. I like "Orwell's Illegitimate [that part's true] Son's" bizarre attempt to tie Cindy Sheehan to . . . the Jonestown mass suicide! Oh yeah, that's "San Francisco values" alright. Hey "OIS", are you actually Bill "Loofah" O'Reilly fantasizing over terrorist attacks on SF and how they deserve it?
"Mr. XXXX" is even more disgraceful, and the C&Ler who questions who he's actually working for is right on.
Cindy's defending the Constitution while the Demos sell us all down the river and continue Bush's war & abet the onset of fascism. Don't feed the trolls-- trolls, go to Free Republic or Little Green Racists or somewhere you belong
anon at 136
I don't see it as a conscious tactic on her part. I do think she is genuine, even if she is a bit flakey.
I can conceive of someone convincing her that this is the next logical step in her battle. You know, 'the only way to end the war is to impeach him'. Promising her support, etc. and they, in turn, benefit from her name recognition and (like it or not) ability to stir controversy.
I just don't think it's the right move, is all.
ysbaddaden @ 141:
If he was irish and not jewish he may have still funny though.
Ed @ 140:
Sorry, I didnt mean it that way. There is a tendancy to american idol these things ... that is, find reasons to 'vote people off'. I was just (have been just) trying to point out that she is real - warts and all. It's clear that you get that.
ysbaddaden @ 142:
I always lamented he never made a history of the world part two and spaceballs two the search for more money:(
anon @ 146:
Thank you i actually think she should be the next martin luther king jr but sadly people do not get inspired to act like they used to.
As per post#97, Ray McGovern points out that Conyers decided for no justifiable reason not to attend a Town Hall/panel discussion last May on-surprise!-impeachment. When McGovern brought this up to Conyers in his office yesterday, Conyers claimed to have no recollection of this missed event. For people who are complaining that Ms.Sheehan should be going after the Republicans, it should be pointed out to them that the Democrats should be just as responsible as the Republicans and that the Democrats, especially the top Democrats, should not be immuned to criticism. Conyers has also stated that he is fearful that he would feel the wrath of Fox News if he were to give the green light for impeachment. If Rosa Parks were alive today, she would most likely look with loathing at Conyers' actions and walk away in shame from the cowardly actions that her one time employer has taken.
anon @ 146:
You know now a days people do not realize and accept the very good point you make "warts and all" is a very good insight. Back in Martin Luther's day people were not a cynical as they are now and they were more realistic about leaders even great ones like him had warts but that should not obscure the profundity of their ACTIONS and in his case massively profound vision and ability to convey it sincerely. Today if you have passion you are crazy no one can make the distinction anymore between real passion and uncontrolled emotion. There is a fine line and that would take an ability the American public no longer has due to the constant dumbing down of our public education system.
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