Greenwald: The mainstream, sane, serious Joe Lieberman
Via Salon:
One of the favorite tactics of super-sophisticated Beltway media insiders is to band together and point to anyone who expresses views outside of their narrow orthodoxies and laugh at what crazy and unserious "wackos" they are --- in contrast to the very serious-minded, sane and insightful Beltway elite. The current roster of crazy losers includes Mike Gravel and Ron Paul -- the ones opposed to the war in Iraq and to American military domination around the world. They are insane lunatics, total losers, not fit even to be heard in public discourse among the Serious.
Thus, we are treated to an endless stream of snide little insults from the likes of Eve Fairbanks and Joe Klein scoffing at these "lunatics." And, as we all know, in 2004 Howard Dean was completely crazy -- a total wacko -- and Al Gore is vaguely insane, too.
By contrast, the pundits of The New Republic and Time who cheered on George Bush's invasion of Iraq and who work for Marty Peretz and who defend George Bush's lawbreaking and who spent years treating Dick Cheney like royalty and who carefully ponder with Great Angst whether we should start a new war with Iran are the deeply serious, very sane, mainstream thinkers who can banish the nerdy anti-war outcasts to the "lunatic fringes."
Joe Lieberman is, of course, one of the very serious -- deeply, deeply serious -- sane and mainstream political figures. Agree or disagree, he is a real serious and thoughtful and mainstream political thinker. Read more...
Go Away Joe....
If Holy Joe had a nuclear warhead he was required to drop on either Connecticut or Israel, I'd stay away from Hartford.
Joe Hearts Hatemonger Hagee.
Joe picks such nice bedfellows.
First Bush, and now this creep who thinks Katrina is God's punishment on gays.
Lieberman is not fit to serve in the Senate.
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George @ 3:
Lieberman = AIPAC Stooge
I have nothing against Jewish people, but there are some people I don't like that are Jewish, Methodist, Catholic . . . . .
joe lie lieberman is just like bush. he is not for this country but represents israel and their interests. said he is a democrat despite his last re-election, he is a full blown reichwingnut neocon bastard. he sides 100% of the time with the fascist bush. he keeps pushing for war with iran.
well, joe, you go to iran and fight your war for israel. we are all done with your ass.
Wanna see something really "sane"?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/rapture-ready-the-unauth_b_...
Holy Joe is in this completely insane video.
Armageddon! Bring Jesus back with nukes!
shoobadoo @ 7:
Koolaide will be served at the Wailing Wall . . .
Normally I don't condone violence but Joe [deleted--not on this site].
This really has very little to do with the Jewish faith and a whole lot to do with a man so desperate for his cause that he will kiss anyone's ass who agrees with him. For any pol to give this guy Hagee any credit is demeaning to all things sane. A guy who believes that all good Christians could just disappear off the face of the earth any minute, is a very insane person.
Except Gravel and Paul ARE lunatics for reasons that have NOTHING to do with opposing the war or our aggressive military posture overseas. That both are libertarian leaning lunatics advocating for flat taxes is but one example why they are in fact fringe nutter-candidates. Gravel is a lunatic for reasons that have nothing to do with his opposition to the war (even a stopped clock is right twice a day).
My bad.
Our very own government spilling the blood of tens of thousands of innocents - worthy topic of debate.
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Site Monitor: Don't pout. We're not going to let advocation of violence posts stand. No need to have Bill O'Reilly quote you, right?
This might be the same as on HuffPo, but...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjMRgT5o-Ig
Joe needs to lay off the sugary, cherry-flavored drink. Even Mr. Kool-Aid is embarrassed.
lieberman is bush's lap dog.
They make Gravel look like a crazy old nut (and maybe he is now), bu this is the guy who helped filibustered the draft out of existence and helped expose the pentagon papers. He deserves a little respect.
If Gravel wanted to get some credit today, he never should have allowed that campaign ad to have been made. It's the one where he stares into the camera for a long time, doesn't say a word and then turns around and throws a big rock in the lake and walks away. Not a word is spoken, not a word to be read, just him and his rock and the lake.
Drshatterhand @ 16:
Help expose the Pentagon Papers? Thanks.
Help get rid of the draft? Uh, no thanks. War has to be shared amongst the populace; Military drafts used to be a key component of ensuring that. (yes yes yes yes - the rich & powerful always seem to get out of service... but at least the upper-middle class used to have to be proportionately represented)
the media always rolls out the red carpet for the dad from Alf voice double
Meanwhile, over on Joe Klein's blog at Swampland, the comments after his "Seriously" entry are hilarious. More than a hundred comments take hilarious swipes at Klein's lazy journalism and enabling the neocons. Hours of laugh-out-loud reading.
http://time-blog.com/swampland/2007/07/but_seriously.html
AJ Fan @ 4:
the media definitely controls the distribution of sanity certificates.
bill-o likes to think he's holding all the tickets... but of course he's crazy.
what we have come to realize through alternative media is that the MSM is insane.
they have no appreciation for the philosophies of life. the MSM is a mechanization
that undermines life.... sucks blood!!! they control time(time as a commodity). they control development and ways of life.... by giving our sanity certificates to ways they
deem profitable. they control leisure...as they says what's good leisure. they control the fads that our children chase with reckless abandon.
joe lie-berman is nothing but errand boy sent to collect a grocery bill. he's pitiful.
EconAtheist @ 18:
Dont kid yourself... in countries that have accepted conscripted service there has been nothing but war... these types of leaders dont care what the middle class thinks... ONLY when respect is given to the "others" does a draft prevent war... do you feel much respect as the "others" when watching Fox? When listening to Tony Snow lie to our faces? When looking at the Dicks smirk? I dont either... they would send our kids to die in a heart beat... and with a draft we would only be left with violence to stop it.
"One of the favorite tactics of super-sophisticated Beltway media insiders is to band together and point to anyone who expresses views outside of their narrow orthodoxies and laugh at what crazy and unserious “wackos” they are"
When you start talking about any subject and people start hurling ad-hominems, then you know you're in fertile ground. In the past I have been called a "Nut Job" for believing that mainstream media accounts are fictional.
Watching Joe subvert the Democratic process in the past election was truly sickening. Does anyone still think that we can affect change through the voting booth. Maybe we can, but not until the process is fixed.
Now heres a two faced prick I really wish would crash and burn politically like we've seen out of McCain lately... I can't really say 100 percent that John McCain deserves all the shit coming his way these days even if he brought it all on himself... Which he did... But Joe Lieberman? Yea, this is an opportunistic dickhead who really needs to be run out of U.S. politics on a rail....Christ, I wouldn't trust his word that the sky was blue on a sunny day without checking it first.... JD
gets me sick how this little elmer fudd lookalike gets any kudos from anyone. i can understand the repubs playing him up since he is essentially a bush waterboy, but whenever a dem does it, it drives me nuts. i was driving yesterday and i don't remember of the prominent dem who was praising this little man but it didn't make me too happy. what part of this don't they get, he's a turncoat, a traitor to the cause, and any dem who supports him needs to be run out of office. it's up to us the people to make this absolutely clear to them what there task is. impeach now and run elmer fudd out on a rail, tarred and feathered.
in a world so crazy... the question is ... what is sanity?
compassion is sanity.
peace is sanity.
tolerance is sanity.
as far as i'm concerned if someone has 7 peaceful persona's then they are more sane
then one cheney.
any one want to help me out here?
sorry, "their task"
joe lieberman truely is a douchbag of freedom!
Lieberman is the new Zell Miller and I do hope that pretty soon he'll be rendered irrelevant. Judging from Leiberman's recent behavior, I would not think he'll be expecting to have a committee chair in 2009 if Democrats wins back the senate with a clear majority. But given the fact that he is someone who likes to have it both ways, by then he'll be making nice with Democarts especially if he sees that he is going to be a back bencher.
i do not like the dems giving this zionist the chair on the homeland security committee. it's a national security issue that needs to be addressed.
I wish Lamont had won. That said, setting aside the Iraq situation (and votes more or less related to it), and Joe Lieberman has voted consistently with the Democrats. Joe is an Israel-hawk and for that reason supports the Iraq war and therefore is loath to support anything war related that makes the Administration look back. Fine. But he's solid otherwise. And if you want to throw him overboard, all I can say is "Hope You enjoy Mitch McConnell as
Senate Majority leader, and Republicans chairing committees."
Someone confirmed the obvious in a study about a year ago: That the more a pundit was wrong about the lead-up to, and reasons for, invading Iraq, the more likely that he or she would be invited back again and again on the screaming head programs.
Anyone who got it right, on the other hand, was left out in the cold.
How many times did you see the late Molly Ivins appearing as a guest on Hardball, as opposed to writers for the Weekly Standard and The National Review? Yet Ivins was dead-on right about Bush and the war from the beginning.
A baseball manager who keeps players hitting .300 or more at the bottom of the batting order wouldn't last the first month of the season. Tucker, Matthews, and the gangs at Fox and CNN, however, seem to believe that pundits with less than .100 is the way to go.
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o.k. people we get get it. joe is a idiot.
the point of the post is the beltway boys
deciding who is sane and who is not.
In 2006, Connecticut citizens proved just how stupid human beings can be and how dangerous the herd mentality is, and just how stupid it is to stick with what you know?
Some Democrats need to review that lesson before they nominate Hillary Clinton just because her last name is Clinton.
Before making my comment, I want to reveal that I am a (secular) Jew and I have had the opportunity to live in Israel, not by virtue of being Jewish, but on a job.
I never met a single person in Israel who agreed with the sick views of the loathesome Lieberman. I am sure there are some somewhere (there are crazy and evil people everywhere), but I assure you that neither the vast majority of the Israeli people, nor the Israeli government hold these repugnant views.
If you doubt this, let me make a suggestion. Bookmark the Haaretz website and read the news from Israel for a few weeks. You will find essentially no one with views like this.
Like neocons everywhere, Lieberman finds it easy to incite violence as long as others have to bear the cost. Please believe me, those in real threat of violence soon learn to take a more reasonable position.
Lieberman at a conference for Israel:
http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/07/26/nucking-futs-or-crazy-like-a-fox/
Really scary stuff..
Lieberman is a neocon and just as nuts as the rest of them.
There is something wrong with the water in CT.
Just as we need to focus on the deadenders who vote Rethugs into power time and again, and now that has led from a rubberstamping Congress to a roadblocking Congress, what happened to the dunces in CT that voted this idiot? After all they knew about Joe's stupid support for the war in Iraq and his rabid support for GWB? Let's focus on correcting the idiots in CT first. Joe will go away when that happens.
wasn't it a daily kos meme about supporting "serious" candidates like hillary vs those not "serious" like kucinich?
greenwald is certainly our best shredder of right wing obfuscations.
Yup. Inside the beltway mainstream. Just like Kristol, Krauthammer, Fred Barnes and Cal Thomas.
Anyone that promotes some kind of non-progressive income tax is fucking nuts. Sorry.
Joe(hole) LIEberman (R-Israel) does not care about America. He is an enemy of the state; loyal to foreign borders only!!!
What doesn't seem to be discussed much in this is that one of the main, if not only, reason that the Rev and his Christianistas for Israel are so adamant about their support for the Jewish state, is that if you believe in this rapture stuff, then you've got to have an Israel in place before it can happen...of course the Jews in Israel are to be among those 'left behind'...and don't you think they know that? Accordingly, is explains why a Joe LieMan - an agent for Israel - along with Israel itself, is so open in their support of this bunch of Christian numbskulls. They're using this bunch to push our elected leaders to fight Israel's wars for them. They're laughing their asses off at these people because they don't buy this rapture crap any more than they could really part the Red Sea.
Sure LieMan is serious...he's a serious con-man.
What a putz this guy is? I swear, if they vote this clown back in to office again, there are NO real Democrats in Connecticut.
SCHMUCK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hfa7vT02lA
Joementum only wishes he had the acumen of a Ron Paul.
Congratulations, Joe "Droopy Dog" Lieberman. You are now a sober, serious, Gravitas-filled member of the...
...religious-right lunatic fringe. Good to know you made your bed with and decided to kiss the behind of "Katrina was caused by homosexuals" Hagee.
What a friggin' putz. Or maybe he just knows he can retire to Israel in a few years, leaving America to the religious-righttards he helped support.
ST @ 36:
I really want you to think about this . . . how do we know what the voters did in Connecticut?
who owns sanity??????????????
AJ Fan @ 24:
Voting is the only power that we can use to effect change. We can bitch all we want, but the vote against the incumbent garners the attention of everyone on election night.
And all of this rhetoric going on just at the same time as rumors concerning a possible "false-flag" operation against the citizens of the United States by the Israel Kidon, to be blamed on Iran. Very interesting timing.
shoobadoo @ 7:
AJ Fan @ 24:
Voting is the only power that we can use to effect change. We can bitch all we want, but the vote against the incumbent garners the attention of everyone on election night.
Max Blumenthal does great work, but Max seemed confused as I was at CUFI members referring to the Jewish Race.
Whats that all about?
Please CT vote him out. Please stop reelecting this animal.
"... Mammie..."
Hey watch Lieberman giving his support for the CRAZIES!!!!
THE CRAZIES YO!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/rapture-ready-the-unauth_b_...
They aim to "take out Iran" to protect Israel and usher in the end times...
Watch this now...
picture caption:
Sen. Joe Lieberman reacts to seeing huge neon billboard that reads:
"Joementum is a shtick dreck & a groyse putz' !!!
"The current roster of crazy losers includes Mike Gravel and Ron Paul — the ones opposed to the war in Iraq and to American military domination around the world. They are insane lunatics, total losers, not fit even to be heard in public discourse among the Serious."
Both are lunatics, Glenn.
Gravel is some kind of unstable, not sure what's up with him.
Libertarian Ron Paul is opposed to the UN, opposed to international law, opposed to federally-imposed (consistent) national human rights, opposed to female reproductive rights, and opposed to taxation, which is about the only fair aspect of our current economic system (when it isn't defanged by his pals the Republicans who he caucuses with).
Our HEROES.
Wow, if Greenwald's disaffiliated leftism is depending on Gravel and Ron Paul, that movement really is dead.
Harley @ 55:
You realize you're talking about voting him out in --2012--, don't you?
CT we implore you to act immediately...in five years.
ST @ 36:
REPUBLICANS reelected Lieberman. You're slandering the wrong party.
This just reminds of what somebody said before about the human species being too stupid to survive. Face it, the human race is doomed and it's only a matter of time before the god worshipping morons start going at each other with nukes.
LIEBERMAN AND CHRISTIAN WAR-MONGERS --
"Pastor Hagee, I pray that God will bless you with all that you pray for, and I do so with great confidence because I know what the Lord said to Abraham in Genesis 12:3. If ever there was a man who will be blessed because he has blessed Israel, Pastor Hagee, it is you.
You reject the temptation of moral relativism. You understand that there is a difference between good and evil, between eternal and temporal, between Israel and other nations . . . ."
Senator Joseph Lieberman, July 26, 2007, (Ambassador, Jerusalem), praising crypto-fascist, Armageddon-hyping, war-mongering Christian "End Times" believer, Reverend John Hagee, founder of "Christians United for Israel"
This is the same John Hagee who has said --
"Well Islam in general - those who live by the Koran have a scriptural mandate to kill Christians and Jews."
So we can never negotiate with "radical Islam," and by "radical Islam," we mean "all Muslims." I guess Hagee's position is approved of by Senator Lieberman. He certainly hasn't said anything to contradict Hagee's admonition -- "All Muslims, by definition, are radical, since they all are instructed to slaughter Jews and Christians, and thus can never be negotiated with."
We know that Senator Lieberman wants to attack Iran (as he did Iraq). Is it for the oil or the religion? Is this soft-spoken, "bi-partisan" man really the demagogue of the sinuous, insidious hate that he appears to be, on the face of his words and his support for Reverend Hagee?
Please inquire and report back to the people of the United States -- Christian, Jewish, Muslim, and secular.
Under the Constitution, we are to have rights to choose a religion or not. According to Hagee and Lieberman, do only evangelical Christians and fundamentalist Jews count?
Pity the Muslims, pity the Hindus, pity the Buddhists, pity the atheists, the agnostics, and all of the good American people without religion.
For Lieberman and Hagee, apparently, we don't have the right to live our lives according to our own moral dictates. We have to follow theirs. And their political adventures or misadventures.
We have to accept their moronic, half-baked religiosity (or perhaps take three bullets of "friendly fire" to the forehead like Pat Tillman?).
Where has the goodness (and the "smartness") of our country gone when we have people like this in our Congress and in our pulpits?
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So, according to Christian Zionists the Anti-Christ will be a man of peace. Imagine that.
The one and only up-side to the election fraud that denied Al Gore the White House in 2000 was that it also denied Joe Lieberman the vice presidency.
CT we implore you to act immediately...in five years.
we can't wait five years before another election to oust this person is totally devoid of moral values. is there any grass roots campaign that can be started now to get him out. people of connecticut, may we hear from you. are you proud of your selection. if so, tell us why, if not join in our campaign to oust him. i still am so disappointed in the many elected dems who still support this sham of a man. this is not why we elected you. he's a traitor. what part of that don't you understand?????
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