Mueller's Careful House Testimony
Listen how carefully FBI Director Robert Mueller testifies in front of the House, but leaves little doubt that his recollections are in direct conflict with Alberto Gonzales's testimony before the Senate on Tuesday:
With Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee:
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JACKSON LEE: Did you have an understanding that the discussion was on TSP?
MUELLER: I had an understanding that the discussion was on a...on a...NSA program, yes.
JACKSON LEE: I guess we use TSP, we use warrantless wiretapping, so would I be comfortable in saying that those were the items that were part of the discussion?
MUELLER: It was...the discussion was on a national...a NSA program that has been much discussed, yes.
And with Rep. Mel Watt:
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WATT: ...Can you just give us...I won't program what he said...I'd rather hear what you have to say about that whole sequence of events.
MUELLER: I don't dispute what Mr. Comey said in terms of receiving a call, requesting I -by going to the hospital and alerting persons that Mr. Comey wanted to be present during any conversations had with the Attorney General.
WATT: And he further says he that the President met with you and after that meeting emerged and informed Mr. Comey that the President had authorized the program that had been sought by the Justice Department, can you confirm that's correct also?
MUELLER: I don't dispute what Mr. Comey says.
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WATT: Can you confirm that you had some serious reservations about the warrantless wiretapping program that kind of led up to this?
MUELLER: Yes.
Throw Gonzo to the sharks! frist
For all the latest news, key reports, document releases and other essential materials surrounding Gonzales, the U.S. attorneys purge and NSA illegal domestic surveillance, visit:
- The U.S. Attorneys Scandal Document Center
- The NSA Domestic Surveillance Scandal Center
It's a sad day when the spooks (CIA, FBI, NSA, etc.) look more honest than the Presidential Administration.
I don't believe in torture. It's cruel and inhuman.
[Deleted. Please don't advocate violence on this site. You know better-Sitemonitor]
The truth is such a messy business - it eventually leaks out leaves very unsightly marks on those that tried to keep it bottled up.
Liberal AND Proud @ 4:
[Deleted. So Do You-Sitemonitor]
Gonzales' memory is so bad, he claims he doesn't even remember committing perjury.
Blue Buddha @ 3:
Ain't that the truth?
Never would have thought I'd see it. But then, never would have believed half the people in this country would have voted for Dubya, either.
I can't comment on my no comment, but let me say this...
We're not 100% sure that they actually did.
Er, If it um… walks like um… a duck, swims um… like a duck er… and quacks um… like a duck, um, er… then it um… IS A DUCK.
HillCountryGal @ 8:
I still don't believe it.
Listen to what Gozo said:
"it was not about the survailance program THAT THE PRESIDENT PRESENTED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE (emphasis added, he did not yell).
this is the line that this slippery bastard will use to wiggle out of this.
What's amazing is that these are the people who have all our lives in their hands, and they are playing deadly games with it.
Do you get the uncomfortable feeling that this is just the miniscule, ice-cube sized tip of a vast, continent sized iceberg?
Who among the public could possibly know what these corrupt fanatics have been up to, with their black budgets and the total lack of accountability they enjoy?
LEGAL EXPERTS: GONZALES GUILTY OF ‘TUI’ — TESTIFYING UNDER THE INFLUENCE
HillCountryGal @ 8:
I'm not trying to be snide, but do you really believe this, or are you a right-winger just planting this stuff here?
Robert Kennedy and others made it abundantly clear that the elections were rigged, flipped, stolen. So I don't understand it when people still say that half the country voted for Bush.
On the original topic, the web of lies and crimes that has been woven over the years is going to get the spiders all tangled up in their own spin.
Just Me @ 17:
Me, a right winger? You're joking, right? Ask anyone who's a longtime poster here if I'm a right winger.
You can call me any vile names you choose to, but NEVER call me a winger, a repuke, or a fundie.
You should have heard Tony Snow trying to spin Mueller's words today. It was almost funny.
I got this email and thought I should share with anyone interested
"Tonight (Friday July 27): Catch Greg Palast on PBS' top current affairs program.
'NOW' furthers the story Palast first busted open for Britain's BBC Newsnight, the scheme to attack voters of color - the 'Blue' ones.
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This show should be good!
8:30pm Eastern (on New York Thirteen). Check local listings.
You people are sooooo "not understanding" of what Gonzo was talking about.
Gonzo, in his testimony before the Judiciary Committee, was talking about "another
NSA program and not the specific warrantless wire tapping(TSP) program." Well,
at least this is the snowjob Press Sec. Snowjob gave the capital press corp this
morning during his BS explanation. To me it sounded like just a bunch of garbble
goop.
Annoyed Canuck @ 15:
No need to worry about that with Global Warming.
I say we bury them in a mound of lemon-lime Jello with peppermint sticks shoved up their aperatures.
Oops, the part of about "this should be good" was not a part of the quote, it should have been below it. It's my own opinion.
[Fixed it-Sitemonitor]
Just Me @ 17:
As a matter of fact, I'm printing your comment at my place.
:)
HillCountryGal @ 18:
Don Davis @ 16:
I thought it was TWI...Testifying While Influenced
My opinion on Winger should've been at the end of the threads.
When bloggers meet do they ask each other, "Dig these threads, man!"
and what are the biggest stories of the hour?
drunk astronauts
lindsay lohan
Economy best GDP but dow is plummeting
What the fuck, america is not asleep, corporate media has a blanket of garbage covering them, they have computers but are too busy seeing how many friends they have on myspace. most have cable but they would rather watch "who wants to be the next piece of shit idol" instead of cspan or cnn2. the only outlet for real mainstream happenings are colbert report and daily show, but the "NEWS" calls these show "fake" news. i dont want crazy pills anymore mom.......................................
Liberal AND Proud @ 25:
Different states, different terminology.
conservNOT -
Don't forget this one:
Nicole Richie to spend 90 hours in jail
Now THAT'S big news.
So is Mueller throwing Gonzo under the bus while still abiding by Bush's wishes? Or is he just trying to cover his own ass when the indictments start rolling in?
hmmmm
conservNOT @ 27:
Or how about the breaking news headline :"Scientist unearth jawbone of giant wombat
in Australia"??
So is Gonzo going to investigate himself?
"when in doubt say I don't recall or recuse yourself"-Cheney to Gonzo
To be honest: When I saw the videos, I thought Mueller´s answers smelled a bit fishy. He never really answered straightforward, he didn´t use the term warrentless wiretapping nor did he talk about TSP. Instead he spoke about "a NSA program". Whilst ending his answers with a seemingly explicit "Yes", I´m really suspicious he might have opened a door for Gonzales to slip through smootly, especially in light of this one week Gonzales was presented with by Leahy, to correct his testimony.
But, the non native English speaker I am, I might have got something wrong.
L.A. Confidential @ 32:
Will Gonzo investigate himself set to this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DONbY9wd6vU
So the courts find Bush's action in his domestic spying program unconstitutional. Bush ignores the court ruling and proceeds. The court does nothing.
Like I explained in an earlier post, Mr. Mueller's answers to the questions meant this: There are several different programs at issue, there may be some wiggle room for Gonzo in the fact that the "program" that Gonzo claims the President acknowledged may not be the same "program" that everyone is asking him about. However, by tacking "yes" to the end of each of his slightly squiggly answers, he was basically signalling his disagreement with the Alberto's parsing of the issue. So he's basically saying that while there are several different programs (call it TSP, Wireless Wiretapping, or international eavesdropping), Gonzo knows full well his answers were very deceptive, and anything but the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
Sorry, should read "slip through smoothly"
SickandTired @ 37:
I hope you´re right, SaT
the 4th Reich is rising @ 34:
Nope, you have hit the nail on the head precisely. The lacking clarity is exactly what
Snowjob was referring to this morning when he gave his little "canned" explanation of
how both Gonzo and Muller were "on the same page" and there was no conflicting testimony.
Unfortunately, I suspect Gonzo's rather pathetic and wandering statement WILL be accepted
the the Judiciary Committee and they will agree that he did not perjury himself.
Targa @ 30:
Perhaps both, Mueller is an ex-prosecutor and knows when to tell the truth. And on that note no matter what anyone has to say about Mueller at least he is making an attempt, so it seems, to tell the truth. How refreshing after listening to the lies from virtually every member of the Dumbya Regime.
The other possibility, which I saw someone else raise somewhere (sorry for crappy attribution) is that Gonzales is treating the surveillance program that existed before his hospital bedside attempt to take advantage of the post-op attorney general as an entirely DIFFERENT program than the one they put in place after they made all the changes the AG/FBI wanted (although it's the same thing with different safeguards). That's an alternative option to the idea that the warrantless wiretapping program is broken up into a bunch of component programs, each with their own names, and that President Bush has only "revealed" the one involving tapping of international phone conversations, so that Gonzo can half-truth repeatedly about that program while disclaiming that his answers had anything to do with the rest of it.
SickandTired @ 42:
Yep, makes sense to me; tho I must admit it is treading on very, very thin ice...something
that Gonzo has been doing for well over a year and I supect the Judiciary Committee will
do absolutely nothing(in spite of what "appears" to be conflicting testimony)..Gonzo will
once again walk away with no charges of perjury being brought.
Mueller: "{{cough cough}} read between the lines you bozos, Alberto is lying, get it?"
Doggiebobo @ 40:
What about the "Gang of Eight" members saying if it was about some other program they weren't aware of it and what about the memo from Negropointe saying that the meeting was related to the "TSP"?
ysbaddaden @ 35:
I dunno... I can't picture Gonzo twitching his upper lip and going "SWEAT! SWEAT! SWEAT!"
IgnoranceIsNotBliss @ 45:
Sorry, I have not see the "testimony?", if any, by the gang of eight nor have I seen
Negropointe's Memo. If you know where I can obtain the memo, I'd appreciate and
w/regards to "hearsay" of the gang of eight, I am again being pesimistic and serioulsy
doubt they will have any significant influence as to what kind of ruling comes down
from the Committee. Hope I am wrong; but again, to repeat and be redundant, I
sure would like to see the "written word"(Memo) you referenced...Thanks.
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Doggiebobo @ 47:
Here you go http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/new-doc-spying/
In the end, what difference does it make which illegal NSA program that Gonzo was talking about? They’ve opened this “other program” can of worms to simply slow down the process. Unfortunately, for them, the fishing expedition is over and Congress already has enough to land their catch. It’s too late to resign now Gonzo.
This is the current gang of eight!
is this the same gang of eight under the inquiry during Gonzo testimony?
is this a concern for why Pelosi wont put impeachment on the table?
* Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the United States House of Representatives
* John Boehner, Republican House Leader
* Harry Reid, Democratic Senate Leader
* Mitch McConnell, Republican Senate Leader
* Silvestre Reyes, Chair of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
* Peter Hoekstra, Ranking Member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
* John D. Rockefeller, IV, Chair of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
* Kit Bond Ranking Member of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
Oops, sorry for double post. Wordpress was doing something funky.
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Doggiebobo @ 43:
Sadly I´m with you here.
I think we should finally stop calling the Bushies stupid. They aren´t. They´re evil, venomous, destructiv but in that they are really sophisticated.
IgnoranceIsNotBliss @ 52:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7yyT7K-5jg
So you're to blame?
conservNOT @ 27:
There was a bus accident in Alabama too.
And I clipped my toe nails this morning - FILM AT 11!
#49 Ignorance is not bliss:
Many thanks for the website, memo and "comments" made by many.
First, suggest you go to "comments" numbers 100 and 187 and read.
This is much more confounding and complex than I/we had thought initially.
The TSP program(s) were apparently of several components...at least two;
one being domestic and the other international wire tapping...and this is where I think Gonzo/Snowjob/others in the admin. are trying to distinguish and say that
"another" NSA program was being discussed. It is confusing to me and NO WAY
JOSE should you and anyone interpret my comments as defening Gonzo..He
is the worst of all AG's of all time; but the complexity of this will have to be
left up to the Judiciary Committee and we can only hope that they get to
the truth and give a legal and defensible resolution. Remember, the statue
of Justice holding the scales..she is blind.
I suggest everyone send a request to your congress-person to stay in session through August, I sent a pretty straight forward e-mail to my representative. you can just copy this if you like:
Please move for Congress to stay in session through the summer, we are in a major crisis in this country, we cannot trust our executive branch of government, we cannot trust our attorney general, we cannot trust our generals, we need you all to stay in session to prevent any funny business when you are gone, like a recess appointment for a new attorney general. Please stay and fight for the American people. we need your help!
Dahgrostab'ph-r-i @ 57:
You might want to consider posting this same message on the newest C&L thread
dealing with " Hardball: Watergate Redux."....
We need everyone to get involved and participate.
Just Me @ 17:
What part of her saying that she could not believe that half of the people would vote for Bush, do you not comprehend. You intimate that she may be a "right-winger" planting that comment. Wouldn't a "right-winger" say that they always believed that Bush had the support of the country. I am not trying to be snide, but could you possible be that incapable of understanding what she meant, or are you a right-winger trying to plant seeds of doubts about one of the most progressive commentators on the blogosphere. Just go to her own blog, and educate yourself to that fact, and then post the apology, to her that you are required to make, unless you are just a "right-winger".
....
Roket @ 50:
Yeah, let's not obsess on Snowjob's effort to blow smoke and Abu's efforts to hide behind the attendant smoke screen. There's too much out there from different sources for Gonzo to dodge. Stick with the view from the mountain.
Bud @ 55:
Good thing I didn't treat my hemmorhoids this morning.
IgnoranceIsNotBliss @ 45:
Not sure why the site monitors keep deleting the link as it does pertain to the thread and is not off topic. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/new-doc-spying/
IgnoranceIsNotBliss @ 62:
Sorry site monitor but apparently I am having problems with wordpress. Is it just me? One minute comments are there and the next they aren't, then they are there again.
PNAAC Minister @ 12:
Just so we don't forget how our country originally got into the mess it finds itself now:
2000 Presidential Election Final Vote Count of US Citizens:
GORE - 51,003,926
Bush - 50,460,110
But sadly ...
Supreme Court vote
GORE - 4
Bush - 5
Has anyone else noticed that every time Alberto Gonzales has a bad day on Capitol Hill, he holds a press conference the following day to say how much he wants to do his job and protect our kids? Do you suppose that's a coincidence?
This is all being done for posterity, because Chimpy will never dismiss Gonzo and the Dems will not impeach Chimpy.
dmhlt @ 64:
Yes, I know. My point was it was about 1/2 of voters in this country wanted a prez they "could have a beer with" so they shamefully VOTED FOR AN ASSHOLE LIKE DUBYA.
I have OFTEN REFERRED TO DUBYA AS THE FIRST APPOINTED PRESIDENT EVER.
I've often wanted to ask those who voted for him exactly how many times have they had the opportunity to have a beer with the person they voted for?
Bar none, Dubya is The. Worst. President. Ever.
AbuGonzo is just one in a long list of DubyaCo atrocities inflicted on all of us. All because some very foolish people wanted a prez they could "have a beer with."
Utterly appalled. Utterly disgusted.
And to have Mueller, a Dubya-loyalist, even hint there was a discrepancy between what he remembered and what AbuGonzo said just shows you how bad things really are right now for DubyaCo.
Good.
IdiotShrub @ 14:
your lives are meaningless sacks of shit to these people. They've killed hundreds of thousands. Unless you are rich, white and ready to write a check with lots of zeros, they wouldn't piss on you if you were burning alive. These are really bad dudes, and nobody is doing thing one to take them out. Sad sick country.
muellers answer was sort like holding your finger in the air to find out which way the wind is blowing. he has implied, not stated. he is a bush family lackey and cannot be trusted. by the way, why hasn't the anthrax thing been solved yet?
The anthrax thing has not been resloved because the FBI MYSTERIOUSLY DROPPED THE INVESTIGATION after it was determined that the type and grade of Anthrax involved could have only come from a government bio-warfare research facility.
This government is nothing more than a pack of, well, CROOKS AND LIARS...and we need to dump the whole bunch of them and start over. Gonzales is a liar. Cheney is a liar, Rice is a liar (Wasn't SHE subpoena'd???? Wha hoppen to THAT?) Bush is a Liar, and they are ALL MURDERERS and Traitors to the constitution. .
Mueller's testimony is meant to be as open about classified information as he can be. He can't be seen as going against Gonzalez because he works for Bush. He has to be very particular with his answers, but he's agreeing with Comey, who disagrees with Gonzalez.
In other words, it's not Mueller who's refuting Gonzalez, it's Comey, and Mueller is just corroborating Comey's story. It's still getting Gonzalez to perjure himself. And I'm sure that the Judiciary Committee will vote to convict, because they absolutely have to get Gonzalez out of the way if they're gonna do anything about Bush. There's just no other choice.
It's Too Late Baby
Somebody has "dropped the ball" and let this whole affair fall by the waist side. It is extremely important to note who let this issue take the back roads to only now get to the American people with honest oversight and investigation. There was no oversight when this came out initially, so this administration was given the a false reality impression they were successful in ease dropping on Democrats and whoever they wanted to because Al Qaeda flew planes into our Twin Towers.
Now the wheels have turned and my Democratic Party wants the very oversight they were not given when the Republicans ruled the houses. Look America at what these Bastards have did to our right to privacy. See how Bush and his boys have made such a mess of things in Iraq. They have taken our righteous name and dragged into the dark dungeons of torture and, for good measure, taken our sense of comfort that we are having private moments to ourselves.
As the Democrats attempt to regain those standard afforded Americans since the conception of our country, the Republicans yell foul at every turn because they cannot earn their power honestly. They have taken it like thieves in the night lead by a president who does not know the dark depths he has lead his Party to. Even today, the Republican Party hang on to their false sense of power like they were sold fools gold and refuse to believe it is phony.
If we do anything, we must get this president out of office. We must not be fooled by those who tell us "the Democrats are the same" or "we are in need of a third Party." First things first, Bush must go and any effort about that will make this goal thin is truly trying to replace Bush with another president like him. The Democrats must stay united for the sake of balance and existence. We may need a third Party, but I guarantee this is not the time. This country is so out of balance a third Party will only make things worse.
Joseph
This fellow confirms the lie's and distortions of truth from his bosses lying ass mouth.
All that is needed now is the special prosecutor to slap the hand cuffs on Gonzales and head for the white house and the VP resident and pick those criminals up and we should be good to go.
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