Giuliani exaggerating (again)
By Steve Benen Sunday Jul 29, 2007 9:02pm
The New York Daily News, reports:
It is Rudy Giuliani’s favorite boast on the presidential campaign trail: “I cut taxes 23 times” as mayor of New York, he says, a claim inevitably met by applause.
The impressive-sounding stat stars in radio ads this week in New Hampshire and Iowa, where the voiceover asserts that Giuliani “cut or eliminated 23 taxes.”
Trouble is, it’s not really true, say tax-cutting allies of the former mayor, as well as experts at the city’s Independent Budget Office and elsewhere.
To arrive at the number he likes to cite on the stump, Giuliani has to claim credit for tax cuts initiated by others, tax cuts he opposed, and in one instance, he counts one tax cut twice. Best of all, Giuliani includes a scuttled tax increase on his list (”We don’t consider not raising a tax a tax cut,” said Charles Brescher of the city’s Independent Budget Office).
Sounds as if Giuliani has a Bush-like commitment to the truth.
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Cancer Butt!
Right. And he'll fund the war without tax dollars.
Giuliani has always been a liar. New Yorkers already know he is no good and the people in the tri-state area know he isn't up to the job. Sadly people believe him to be something greater than he is.
moniker @ 2:
No! We Chinese are paying! You pay back interest and finance charges NOW!
You pay now!
I say a little prayer every night in the barn that Mayor Rudy gets the nomination. Clinton will make minced meat out of him.
If by exaggerating, you mean lying.
And hey Cowboy Bob, I guess you've decided the nomination? Thanks for the heads up.
Guiliani has a read-my-lips moment every time he speaks.
and the sheeple will buy it hook line and sinker....pathetic,ignorant sheeple
oh...did I mention gullible fools......But Billo says it's true.
Cowboy Bob in Austin @ 5:
Problem is, I thought the same thing in 2000 when Bush won the nomination.
My question to him would be: why 23 times? Didn't you have the balls to cut them all at once?
Too many are okay with a Bush-like commitment to the truth.
Rudy the candidate is the same as Rudy the prosecutor; he doesn't let facts get in his way on a stump speech, the same way he never let facts interfere with him getting a conviction!
Giuliani could be worse than Bush!
Hey Rudy, how did you know WTC7 was going to come down?
The only bullet in his Gun is 911.....and that was just a matter of chance.
his commitment to family values is unblemished. after all , he's had three of them.
Giuliani would be a continuation of a Bush presidency which would mean 4.....possibly 8 more years....of this http://www.impeachbush.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5197
Vote to impeach, march on DC September 15th, and lets get that Democrat in the White House to turn this shit around before its too late...if it isn't already.
At what point would your run-of-the mill brain-dead republican realize that on-going tax cuts are actually making things worse?
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Trittydi @ 18:
Never?
Fear and greed elicit the most reliable and quickest responses.
The US Gov't has grown faster under GWB than any president in history, so how's that starving the gov't workin' out?
By lowering taxes on capital investment and not lowering taxes on labor, you are in fact raising taxes on labor, relatively. You gotta be crazy to work in this economy when investments have such favorable tax advantages. When you have to spend a lifetime going to school, gaining experience before you make any money working for the man and a simple small investment accrues at an exponetial rate into perpetuity, the choice is a no-brainer to me.
I hope the current Missus gets to wear her tiara again.
Trittydi @ 18:
As soon as they put down that flag, get their nose out of the bible and realize its not the ho-mo-sex-uls and the Eees-lam-o-fascists that pose the biggest threat to their family, its the Republicans they keep voting into office.
...in other words never.
I love how the GOP likes to give Guiliani credit for the crime drop in New York City. Every major US city in the country experienced a crime drop when Guiliani was in office which was from 1994-2001. And we all know who was president then - BILL CLINTON.
Crime almost always drops nationally during times of peace and prosperity. Clinton's legacy was peace and record prosperity. 1 + 1 still does equal 2 doesn't it?...Obviously not according to the Clinton hating wingnuts.
you have to make a post on Michael O'hanlon's silly op-ed piece in the NYT on how "well" things are going in iraq. I am so sick and tired of this out of touch academics giving us a bunch of bull once again!!! o'hanlon spent 8 days in the green zone and now he's an expert on iraq!!!
burt @ 16:
Speaking of families, you should check out Vanity Fair's article on Judi Nathan Guiliani. Man, if the reichwingers hate Hillary because they think she's " a cold, calculating bitch" wait till they get a load of Judi Giuliani. She's some piece of work, apparently.
A cross-dressing authoritarian who is despised by nearly everyone who worked with him? A deceitful buffoon whose lies are so flimsy they’re disproved almost as soon as he mutters them? A race baiting, jingoistic opportunist who skirts the law as needed? A coward whose only credentials for bravery consist solely of riding on the backs of others?
And he's promising to cut taxes?
Give him the nomination. He's their man alright.
Ruthless People @ 23:
The drop in crime during Giuliani's reign was due, in a large part, to his police Commissioner for at least his first term. His name was Bill Bratton and man, did he crack the whip on the NYPD. It wasn't until after Bratton's departure did we see the Abner Louima "It's Giuliani Time!" bullshit start. Bill Bratton's problem was that he had an ego every bit as large as Rudy's and really loved seeing his name in headlines. So one had to go - you guess which one. By the way, Bratton's now running the LAPD.
One of the many great evils loosed upon us on 9-11 was the fact that Mayor Putty-Tat was turned into a national figure and 6 years later we can't escape his crapola. Geez, talk about stumbling into riches, this guy takes the cake...
the only thing Rudy did 23 times was get divorced. I'm tired of these mouth-breather crowds thinking they actually make enough for a repub tax cut to affect them
I realize the GOP thugs don't have the balls to show up for the GOP YouTube debate, but if they did, here's the question I'd like to see asked of Rudy: Hey Rudy! Do you still have that child molesting priest on the payroll at Giuliani and Partners? Well, I can dream, can't I?
A person that married his cousin may be President. Gads.
GIULIANI INVENTED TAX CUTS!!
Got a current account debt of $9T and this cross dresser wants to cut taxes for the rich.
I failed in opposing tax cuts; therefore, I cut taxes! Woo-hoo!
Sounds as if Giuliani has a Bush-like commitment to the truth.
Priceless!
The newest insult for just about everything: "A Bush-like committment".
I never got this tax cut thing. If tax cuts are good and 64 tax cuts are twice as good as 32 tax cuts, why do we have so many tax cuts? Why not pass a one time, 100% tax cut, and be done with it?
Abby, Ron Paul agrees. Did you realize your income taxes pay for exactly 0% of our social programs? Every last cent pays the INTEREST on the National Debt. We need to get rid of the IRS, the Federal Reserve, and inefficient money pit government programs.
Ron Paul 2008
Rudy is likely more dangerous to democracy than Bush (if that's possible).
waiting for rudy to show off his new wife, .....morgan fairchild, yeah that's the ticket, morgan fairchild.
rudy is so pompous he can strut sitting down
A speech with Rudy's assertions followed by the facts will make a powerful ad for the next president, a Dem.
Rudy is the most respected man in his profession.
Professioal Liar.
Ben @ 37:
Ben, you DO realize don't you that Ron Paul, being the hardcore Libertarian that he is, would work to eliminate EVERY social program. He said as much during his appearance on "The Colbert Report". Think about what that means: No EPA, No OSHA, No FDA, No Social Security, No publicly funded education, and on and on and on. You Ron Paul fetishists should really do some homework and study up on what your guy REALLY represents. Yeah, he says the right things about the war, but just look a bit deeper into what Libertarians stand for: No Taxes, more guns - that's it. Fucking Neil Boortz is a Libertarian, am I supposed to take him seriously too. The same people who benefit from the RepubliCONS endless tax cuts are the same one's who get all warm and fuzzy about Libertarianism. Those people AREN'T you and me.
This guy cannot be serious about running for President I hope and worse yet there are a few people who will vote for this clown.
How very sad
Sounds as if Giuliani has a Rethug contempt for the truth. He lies about 9/11, he lies about his mafia connections, he lies about the coke dealing criminals running his campaign. Just go through his record as US Attorney some time. He goes after the top crime bosses of the 5 families, so the people he is associated with will have more power. He wastes $30 million going after Imelda Marcos and Adnan Khashoggi with absolutely no evidence and no case. Just to create political cover for daddy Bush.
The guy is a class A scum bag. Nothing he won't do for money, power or sex.
Funny, this cretin wants to be President of the Republican Party, not America. He should realize that if "God Forbid" he somehow actually became Madame President, he would have to work with a Democratic Majority in the house. They won't forget he thinks they are "Losers" so guess what Ms. Rudy , you would be DOA Jan 20th 2009.
Rudy has to scare everyone into electing him president, because his actual credentials are so underwhelming. NO foreign policy experience, NO military experience, and NO national stage political experience. He uses an event (albeit large event) that happened in the twilight of his mayoralty to run for national office. What a staggering presumption to go from being mayor, years ago mind you, to being President of the most important country in the world. Sorry Rudester you don't get to do that. And you won't. Scaring folks isn't gonna work anymore. There aren't enough that will fall for it this time. Thankfully.
Sounds like Rudy also shares Bush's contempt for the kind of shared sacrifice that assures the continuation of society through investment in the common good.
breakspear @ 46:
Obviously you underestimate the stupidity of 25%ers. Romney is Mormon, McCain dead in water, Thompson can't raise any money. Ominously it seems there's a good chance this ghoul will get the nom. If he does & suppose Obama gets the Dem nod, then everyone will be like "this freshman can't be a wartime president". And before you know it that liar could be president. If Hilary gets it then with her high negativity no rethug will vote for her and then it's a close call depending how the independents swing. Ugh, just the thought of him following Brush is depressing.
TroubleMan @ 3:
Couldn't be truer. He is the master bookcooker.
Same thing with his crime stats. Crime didn't plummet in record numbers as he claims, the number of calls reported on did. That's because he changed the rules where previously all NYPD officers were required to file every single call, whether an arrest was made or not. After Ghouliani, they only had to file calls where action was taken.
Calls came in at the same numbers as before, even rising. They were just being reported on in record low numbers. This guy is nothing but venom.
Ghouliani would even creep out Elvira.
ysbaddaden @ 50:
This should stick- Ghoulani- very good...Anyway, the crime drop in NYC, apart from being part of the nationwide drop resulting from the 1990s boom, had far more to do with David Dinkins' "Safe City/Safe Streets" initiative than anything Mrs. Ghoulani did. The statisitics were already down when the jerk came into office on a very thin majority...If I'm not mistaken, Dinkins actually hired Bratton in the first place! The 9/11 "America's Mayor"/hero meme just doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Jimmy Breslin said it all "He went on TV! That makes him a hero?"
rudy will slide on the exact same slimmy path that bush and rove laid down over the past 6 years.
all the sizzle without the stake.
It worked for Dubya, why shouldn't it work for Rudy. Most Republican voters aren't really interested in details - just whether or not the candidate sounds like a guy you'd like to have a beer with or a woman you'd like (we won't go there, but Lindsey Lohan might have a future in Republican politics).
Thanks Rudy for the lesson in voodoo economics and confirming that the only way Repubs think they can connect with the voters is to lie and exaggerate. What's your next stunt---raise the Titanic with your bare hands?
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Has ghouliani been into the Kickapoo Joy Juice for the thousandth time today again?
Rudy prefers to be called Julie when he often dresses as a woman, one ugly woman.
As a native New Yorker, a Bronx Boy to be exact, let me tell ya that Rudy SUCKS!!!!
I hope he's the Republiscum candidate in 2008. He'll get his ass kicked big time!
tim osman @ 55:
Not even that it was Godzilla and Mothra?
What really happened:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgzTNEQwidY
Maybe if ghouliani had stole the medallion from Mecha-Streisand he coulda fought off Al Qaeda.
Just keep pumping this out to 'murika & Rudy will be absolute toast.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo-MrbLxE8c
http://switchboard.real.com/player/email.html?PV=6.0.12&&title=sctheme%5...
"Speaking of families, you should check out Vanity Fair’s article on Judi Nathan Guiliani. Man, if the reichwingers hate Hillary because they think she’s ” a cold, calculating bitch” wait till they get a load of Judi Giuliani. She’s some piece of work, apparently."
At least Hillary never killed puppies...
DickCheneyShotMeInTheFace @ 64:
Maybe she never had a litter.
This guy keeps getting caught in his lies... Can't lie worth a damn and make it stick... Obviously not real republican presidential timber... Couldn't possibly carry the GOP with that kind of track record...They're only looking for liars who can get away with it, or at least appear to get away with it at the start... Rudy? That doesn't appear to be a forte of yours slick. Now as for the actual Truth? Well, folks, truth is a commodity to these people.. A commodity they like to to buy and sell..mostly sell for a profit. Right along with our individual rights and the nations honor.......JD
Gouliani photographed in a similar pose:
http://www.jankopinski.com/Assets/images/Nosferatu.jpg
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boombalonga @ 68:
The only theory is that Osama/Al-Qaeda did it. There's more hard proof that they DIDN'T do it than that they DID. But whatever...censorship is cool now-a-days.
lafin gas @ 14:
Watchout! Comment about to be deleted! lafin gas implies Rudy knew about the events before they happened.
Dear Mr. Amato & Sitemonitors;
I'm glacing thru this thread again and note for the umpteenth time deletions related to some 9/11 conspiracy... Look John, look guys and gals helping John Amato.... You all may not want to entertain all the various goofy theories out there, fine, your site etc.... On the other hand, there is obviously a lot of theories, hypothesis and any number of varying views on just what did happen that day...That's just the truth of it, and denying discussion of it or pretending that doesn't exist won't make it go away any more than any Warren commission made the grassy knoll story go away...
Frankly if you guys and this blogosphere is the real deal replacement for print and video news and actual truthful evaluations of the issues of the day... Then obviously an event that happened six years ago and is still on the minds of the majority of this nations population, whether thru cold hard analysis of the various stories already in the public domain or just the result of Chimpy and Dick and Karls braindamaged paranoia to induce fear and loathing?? IT qualifies as ligitimate subject matter for discussion... here or anywhere... It's newsworthy, a hell of a lot more newsworthy than LaLinds police traffic problems...which can be pretty much discussed anywhere at any time without fear of any kind of reprisal..
I'm getting tired of seeing all these attempts to offer opinions and ideas about 9/11 just edited out of existence... Rudy doesn't skip talking about it, at least not his version of it.. Chimpy makes damn sure his meme on it continues to get airplay and most of what he has to say about it, is patently false and already in many cases been proven false... Who can know how much or how little whatever anyone else has to say is false.. Can't evaluate it if you don't even get the chance to hear it.. In doing all this, editing bit on this one topic, you are over time, looking a little like the Bush administration yourselves. Always giving the appearance of trying to steer and manipulate on this topic.. Now, I don't believe that is your intent, but it looks that way after seeing how any 9/11 banter gets shoved into the closet, oh noo, can't be talking bout that shit here... Someone might think we're nuts... Right??
Fagetaboutit... Just create the thread, let everyone have at it and get it over with... Either something substantive will come of the debate that is worth further pursuit, or we'll all finally realize just how crazy and wing-nuttery all this 9/11 inside job shit really is... Or not... Maybe we'll determine that it really WAS a lot shadier than anyone could ever have imagined, maybe we'll find out the Bush administration is waay more corrupt then one could possibly dream up in their worst nightmare.. Either way we'll get the whole sordid mess and everyone worst fantasies out of the closet and on the table in the cold hard light of reality...
And for me? At this point? That would be waay more preferable to all this delete delete, no conspiracy shit allowed around here... It's not like the majority of people coming here are really all that cool with this current policy anyway... Otherwise you guys wouldn't have to delete so much.... Just do it folks and be done with it.. I'd like to hear some of these nutty ideas myself.. And no, I don't actually feel like fishing around on the internet (thats tubes for all you Alaskans who like to buy into Stevens shit), to find these so-called conspiracy sites.........Nothing personal, just as soon find out about whatever there is to find out about it here if possible....
OK, I'm dun. Now respond or delete away... or both... Your choice really...............JD
It really IS 12 inches
Yes, but what did he do to PREVENT the September 11th attack on the World Trade Towers?
Nothing.
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