Since he's british, can Peter Noone even join the US Army?

So what happens if we lose in Iraq? I guess we just hunker down like the Israelis?

Well, General Betrayus says we need to stick around for 10 yrs., while General Flute says a draft may be in order for this preemptive, internationally illegal war of aggression.

What do y'all say? And by y'all, I mean the 70+% who are against psychotic war of aggression and have doubts 'bout the apocalyptic evangelical vision of our childrens' future..?

Did Jesus (and I am a Christian) support the death penalty? Did Jesus support the moneymakers? Did Jesus support murder?

For that matter, did the Bible tell you the Anti-Christ would fool the believers, or the non-believers?

If the Democrats marry themselves to a long campaign in Iraq it will be very, very hard to be distinguished from the Republican platform...

That is not good at all....

"Leaving Iraq may take years. That's cuz we aren't gonna do jack shit to make it happen."

Ok young people what are you doing to stop this war? It was the young who stopped Vietnam. Back then the generation gap was a lot larger. All you heard from the parents was patriotism. That is where the derogatory phrase hippie generation came from. It wasn't old people who died and were wounded at Kent State. It wasn't old people who were always getting arrested for demonstrations. Today it is these same people who are leading the opposition. The mothers and fathers. You will get a lot more support then we did. Back then we had to fight because it was the young that were dying. There was a draft. 50,000 of us paid the price. I want to see you on the streets and rioting on campuses. Shutting down streets and highways. Chaining yourselves together. You can't leave it to the old people if you want a decent country to live in. The old people were wrecking ours and they are doing it again. A lot of our generation are fighting the fight, where are you? Most of us won't live to suffer in the aftermath so think about this.

Whoa @ 4:

So what happens if we lose in Iraq? I guess we just hunker down like the Israelis?

Israel is occupying other peoples' land the US isn't occu...nevermind.

The idea that it was the youth that ended the Vietnam War is a fable. If you go back and look at surveys done done throughout the war showed that the age group that least supported the war was 40-65. The age group of 18 to 24 year olds had the highest level of supporting the war averaged across the country. Did protest help end the war? I don't think you can compare the effectiveness of all the protest to the day that Walter Cronkite pronounced the war lost. I'm not saying the war was well supported, I just think the role of the media had more of a role. Last time I checked, the Weathermen were just a footnote in history.

Your tax dollars at work, folks. This is what that funding bill paid for.

This and that draft we're not gonna have...

I love the site, but don't bring those absurd pictures on here. I'm for pulling out of Iraq just as much as the next guy, but tactics like those that the woman is employing are despicable. That stuff gives us a bad name. When we fight, do it with logic and class - don't go down to their level.

Whoa @ 4:

So what happens if we lose in Iraq? I guess we just hunker down like the Israelis?

I think you may be operating under the false assumption that staying in Iraq is an option. We are going to leave because there are many more of them, they are well armed and we've invaded their homes.

As far as the Israelis, I say its time that they learned to stand on their own. We've got a few bridges and dams to fix here in the "homeland".

Noone is not yet 17 and cannot legally join.
however, his cousin Alot will sign on.

Alex @ 20:

I'm for pulling out of Iraq just as much as the next guy, but tactics like those that the woman is employing are despicable.

Yeah, right, just hide the war, hide the First Amendment. Keep Fox on and be frightened of brown people with accents, right?

And who is the "the next guy" anyways? Wasn't he supposed to be here like five years ago?

Losts of trolls around tonight.

crap i only made fifty thousan in four yrs!

The so called success in Anabar province that the administration keeps pointing too is actually the best argument for leaving Iraq soon. Let the Iraqis deal with al-Qaeda. The Sunnis in Anbar Province are doing a better job than we ever did. Of course, the Shiites would have no problem dealing with al-Qaeda either. It's kinda hard to argue that we need 160,000 American soldiers in Iraq to defeat al-Qaeda when the Sunnis are doing just fine with far less.

Of course, that doesn't deal with the new menace from Iran that they are drumming up, but all we have to do to keep Americans from being killed by Iranian weapons in Iraq is to bring the Americans home, or at least redeploy them to safe areas. No one is claiming the Iranians will follow us home, and it's clear that the Iraqis aren't going to give al-Qaeda safe haven.

sorry sorry i mean 4700 for four yrs active duty!

can = can't... ohh the irony of my last post

We are seeing, today, the effects of the "military industrial complex" that President Ike warned us about before he left office in the Fifties. It took two generations of conniving, lying, and vote-stealing by the likes of Don Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney to pull it off... and NOW IS THEIR TIME.

There ARE NO OPERATIONAL COMPARISONS between this military operation and the "police action in Viet Nam." This occupation of Iraq was done for PROFIT... plain and simple... and that makes it a political and business perfect storm that will go on as long as the prevailing political power in the White House WANTS IT TO GO ON.

We have not, yet, devised a plan that will put an end to the NEO-CON REIGN OF TERROR. When we do... Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, and all the rest of them will be facing WAR CRIMES TRIBUNALS at The Hague.

American soldiers should never be allowed to re-enlist when in the theater of battle. The first step in mind control is isolation, and that is isolation.That decision is far too serious to make with all of that peer pressure around them for re-enlistment while their family is thousands of miles away. They should at least be returned to the States to discuss the matter with their wives an children, or their parents if they aren't married. You can bet that the soldier in country who chooses not to re-enlist gets a lot of pressure to reverse that decision, from his peers and from his or her superiors.

pat @ 33:

I see that picture and I can help but think "spellcheck."

Either that, or she's referring to some guy named Noone who likes crappy wars. Which I doubt.

There is nothing in the Constitution under freedom of speach that says the spelling must be correct. We should be cheering this woman on instead of criticising her spelling. What are you, some kind of jerk?

how many people have to die for the Pinochetists to change course? The war gives their dull lives meaning

Funny that the British don't see to have any problem leaving. They've reduced their forces by half and are planning to be completely out of there by the middle of next year.

Mark at #25 and A. Citizen at #41

For Diablo to claim that those in the age range of 40-65 were the most anti-war while the youth of that day allegedly supported the Vietnam War is beyond absurd. A. Citizens' reference to those in the military today wanting to see more civil disobedience taking place today is well said. But they can also take it upon themselves to do the same thing by emulating the example of those who participated in the GI movement, which was vividly and movingly portrayed in the 2006 documentary Sir! No Sir!, which was directed by David Zeiger. As those in that film showed, the best way to bring a war to a halt is by having it happen from within.

It won't take me years to get out of the Democratic Party if they don't change their attitude about taking yrs to leave Iraq. Withdrawal now.

Daisy Zimmerly @ 49:

My respect goes out to the woman protesting in front of the recruiting office. When my own son was in high school recruiters started calling. I let them know in not a pleasant way not to call again. I was drafted in 1966 and would do anything to keep my children from being used as targets and useful fools by a criminal administration. I wish my own parents had been informed enough to warn me all those yrs ago when a very similar situation existed under the "leadership" of Johnson & the criminal Nixon.

Totally correct. This gov't feels it has the right to crash boundaries on minors without their parent's permission. No Child Left Behind is a ruse to submit all personal data on every child the moment they enter 9th grade. They are then stalked by recruiters (who get their hands on school student directories and call their homes). We had two grocery bags full of solicitations from every branch of the military. They encouraged students to sign on the names of their friends while in the SCHOOL CAFETERIA, a noble english teacher drove them off the school property. We had constant phone calls from the marine recruiters who told me he had a right because he had the government behind him.
I HATE THESE FUCKERS.

tyree @ 15:

Whoa @ 4:

So what happens if we lose in Iraq? I guess we just hunker down like the Israelis?

yeah and maby some other country will dig deep into thier tax payers pocket and give us billions for nothing like the isralies get , oh wait no bodys that stupid like us!

AIPAC power !!! Both dems and repigs sold us out, the entire nation, to AIPAC - all falls into place once you assume AIPAC is the ruler, and these interests are the leading ones .. That's why dems also mummmmble we'll stay Iraq'd forever - Hillary is AIPAC's grl #1, Rahm Emanuel the AIPAC quiet cheerleader .. Before the attack on Iraq Decider was saying many times we owe securing their borders (Israeli moving borders) to our 'allies", very seldom mentioning Israel by name. Any other US 'allies' that were feeling threatened by Saddam ? Zimbabwe ?

Last week the UN voted to widen the Iraq engagement. How come none of the candidates EVER mentions this ?

UN provides the Cyprus 'buffer zone' staff, as well as military observers for island-wide monitoring. Cyprus is much smaller than Iraq. UN casualties are minimal. The Mission mandate is being extended despite over 40 yrs of its existence due to Turkish activities 'strangulating' the survival of Greek communities even in the north/Greek controlled part. Turks are NO less violent than Iraquis, with impossible attitooode (just as with Armenian genocide by Turks that Turkey insists never happened).. I've been involved with UNFICYP a while ago as a relatively high level UN civilian assigned to another country. It works. At least this kind of solution should be analyzed.. The big difference: NO OIL in Cyprus; Israel never whined about Cyprus - chickenhawkery was not en vogue...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Peacekeeping_Force_in_Cyprus
The United Nations Peacekeeping Force in Cyprus (UNFICYP) was established in 1964 to prevent a recurrence of fighting between the Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots and to contribute to the maintenance and restoration of law and order and a return to normal conditions.[1] After the 1974 Greek coup-d'etat and the Turkish invasion of Cyprus, the UN Security Council extended and expanded the mission to prevent that Cyprus dispute turning into war. .....
As of 30 Nov 2006, the total strength (military personnel and civilian police) of UNFICYP was 918. .....
The annual cost for maintaining UNFICYP is estimated at $51,900,000. This includes the voluntary contribution by the Government of Cyprus of one third of the cost of the force and the annual amount of $6,500,000 contributed by the Government of Greece. Turkey does not directly contribute to the force’s budget""

CappuccettoRossso @ 52:

Both dems and repigs sold us out, the entire nation, to AIPAC - all falls into place once you assume AIPAC is the ruler,

That's the common canard, and it is RIDICULOUS.

• How exactly is Saudi Arabia a part of AIPAC?

Bushco has SCREWED Israel hard. He is an equal-opportunity screwer. Releasing HUNDREDS of tons of high-explosives into the theater, millions of weapons, ticking off Iran, and Russia, and creating civil war in Iraq doesn't help AIPAC or Israel one bit.

Only the insane think that destabilization is the key to victory. AIPAC may have signed off on this adventure, but they have paid a price that is almost unthinkable. One of those cesium cannisters from unguarded Tuwaitha and ten pounds of that HMX from Al-Qaqaa, and a pickup truck, and upwind access to any Israeli town, and that's it for living there for quite awhile. Think about it.

Paul in LA @ 55:

CappuccettoRossso @ 52:

Last week the UN voted to widen the Iraq engagement.

The involvement of the UN in trying to increase diplomatic counters to the fomented civil war in Iraq is not similar to Peacekeeping in Iraq, and certainly not in Cyprus. The key feature you left out is that Bushco has salted the earth in Iraq by releasing INCREDIBLE amounts of explosives and armaments, while slaughtering civilians on an epic scale.
That doesn't compare to the Cypriot cause in scale on any level. So if you think the UN will just take over, you are both ignoring the US complicity in the civil war, the massive warcrimes, the intended permanent base, and the continued existence of the coup in the United States (which btw does not involve the majority of Democrats).

While we all want to restore peace and freedom and legal government, it is just nonsense to claim that the UN can set up buffer zones and calm this genocide any time soon. This is probably going to take most of twenty or thirty years -- not three or six months, and anyone with half a clue understands that. We are in DEEP blood and muck, and restoring balance is going to be long, and hard. It simply will not magic wand away by bashing the Democrats and calling on the UN.

The AIPAC issue gets you heated up too much into crazed frenzy .. You want US to stay in Iraq forever, just like AIPAC, that more of US best get killed and WE pay for AIPAC bs worldwide 'vision'.. Dems changing the tune, and abandoning commitment to people who just voted for them to GET OUT OF IRAQ NOW is more proof of AIPAC scary tentacles suffocating our country.

"" ..they have paid a price that is almost unthinkable"" - So, if you are an AIPAC troll, oh, plse advise them to cut OFF from ANYTHING US !!! Including U$$$ billions.. And, indirect organized theft of our economy. By ALL means, encourage them to GET LOST and not suffer any more ! Take your AIPAC/PNAC taking points somewhere else. FOR GOOD.

You are insinuating too much of FALSE passive-agressive stuff. Take Valium.
I didn't say Cyprus is Iraq, nor that the last UN resolution is IT.

One has to start somewhere - instead of ranting read what I said: "At least this kind of solution should be analyzed." .. You are another homegrown 'instant expert" that knows ZILCH .. Professionals have to do it.

With this kind of attitude you should be living in Brooklyn, not LA - nobody would get to the West Coast yet, so NO California, no LA. All would be whining in Brooklyn about having to pay "" a price that is almost unthinkable"", until somebody else and brave would do it for them. Now get lost also, go and collect your AIPAC check for today.
Don't come back here with your AIPAC talking points. Look for naive idiots somewhere else.

Jo @ 40:

pat @ 33:

I see that picture and I can't help but think "spellcheck."

Either that, or she's referring to some guy named Noone who likes crappy wars. Which I doubt.

There is nothing in the Constitution under freedom of speach that says the spelling must be correct. We should be cheering this woman on instead of criticising her spelling. What are you, some kind of jerk?

lighten up

we already have a Draft, it's run by the Teachers Union, turning our little BrownShirts into party line Democrates

Notice how it is the corporatist candidates that are advocating staying, by leaving residual forces to look after "vital" interests? Oil.

If residual forces are required, that is a job for the UN.

For me, the race is narrowing down to Kucinich or Richardson.

Erroll @ 7:

What was disingenuous about the Times' article was the subtitle which read "With Single Exception, Even Critics of War Plan Gradual Exit." The fourth paragraph explains that this single exception is Bill Richardson. It is no wonder that Dennis Kucinich is considered to be a fringe candidate, considering the fact that the New York Times, that alleged bastion of liberal thinking, does not even acknowledge that Kucinich, the most vociferous war critic running for president, even exists.

New York Times = Fox News. Acceptance is the last stage in dealing with a loss.

In this interview from April 15th, 1994, Dick Cheney reveals the reasons why invading Baghdad and toppling Saddam Hussein wouldn't be a great idea. He also stipulates that "not very many" American soldiers' lives were worth losing to take out Saddam during the Gulf War.

BillW @ 60:

we already have a Draft, it's run by the Teachers Union, turning our little BrownShirts into party line Democrates

Yeah sure, the Teacher's Union is whats wrong with this country.. I hope your right. I hope they turn all your little brainwashed fundie children into Democrats. Is that why so many of the little Brownshirts are home schooled? Best to keep them at home than expose them to any truths. You'll change your tune when it's your little Brownshirt that gets drafted to ensure Cheney's stock options rise in value.