petraeus-bush.jpg Enough already. Why are the bloggers always so far ahead of our media? We all knew Petraeus was going to report exactly what the White House wants him too. Bush is his boss...I wonder why the LA Times buried this damning piece of news in the body of their story?...Anyway, Countdown explores the fallacy of the Petraeus  White House report. Check out how many times the Sainted One is mentioned in the begining of the video before Craig Crawford comes on. It's propaganda time in August and  Fred Hiatt keeps his end of the bargain.

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How many times has Bush and the Republicans used Petraeus for cover? BarbinMD has some listed...

via Kos...here is what they had to say when they filibustered the Defense Authorization Bill last month:

Senate Minority Leader McConnell:

Let me remind the Senate of what we agreed to...We voted, and put into law, that General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker would report in September on progress. The benchmarks report and the timeline we set in May was clear. It gave us, the troops, and our allies, clarity on what was expected.

Senator McCain:

The war will be discussed in September again—we all know that—when General Petraeus is ready to report to the Senate...General Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker will come to Washington in September to report on the status of their efforts and those of the Iraqis.

Senator Sessions:  

To press the point further, I strongly believe that whatever the inclinations of Senators on the conduct of the war in Iraq, to change our strategy now before we even hear from General Petraeus in September would be a colossal blunder for a host of reasons. To do so would be unthinkable...I am anxious to hear General Petraeus’s report.

Senator Coleman:  

Fifty-four days ago we sent a message to General Petraeus: Go forth with the surge, and then come back and report to us.

Senator Chambliss:  

I have never been more convinced that waiting for General Petraeus’s report in September was more right than yesterday afternoon...

Senator Craig:  

That’s why when we confirmed General Petraeus unanimously in the Senate, we said to him very clearly, you go to Iraq in relation to a surge that is being implemented and you come back to us and give us your honest and fair assesement in September.

Senator Cornyn:

But the fact is, Gen. David Petraeus...will come back and report to us in September.

Senator DeMint:

The Democrats agreed on that funding, but they requested that we have a report from General Petraeus in the middle of September to find out what progress we were making. We all agreed to that.

Senator Bunning  

I promised in person, in my office, to General Petraeus, that I would wait to hear his report this fall.

And of course I couldn't leave out everyone's favorite Republican:

Senator Lieberman

In fact, this amendment should not even be considered now...Because in that bill we required General Petraeus, along with our Ambassador to Baghdad, Ryan Crocker, to come back in September and report to us...I made a personal pledge to him. I am going to give him and the troops a fair chance, which this amendment would deprive him of, and I am going to give him until September to come back and tell me how it is going.



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As for the content of the looming report, anyone who has ever used the Microsoft Excel spreadsheet program knows what's coming next. Americans should expect to see the old "Fill Right" trick. That is, when producing a long-term financial model or forecast, the Excel user in the absence of research, data, or just common sense, simply copies the value or formula from one cell (for, say, monthly or quarterly sales) to all the succeeding cells (months or quarters in ensuing years). The result is an impressive looking spreadsheet, but one whose projections are baseless and without foundation.

As the interim surge report made clear in July, President Bush like any failed CEO has been relying on the old fill-right gimmick since the Iraq war commenced. Starting in 2003, Bush simply selected the cell containing the phrase "We're Making Progress" and filled right...

For a screen shot and more details, see:
"White House to Author 'Fill Right' Iraq Report for Petraeus."

The shadow government issues a ghost written report. Hmmmm.

What's new 95% of the population is sold on whatever you tell them, and 98% sold if the government tells them. So why not keep feeding them Propaganda, they buy we sell what they want.. Democracy at work -----> http://www.YouPolls.com

Angry One @ 1:

As for the content of the looming report, anyone who has ever used the Microsoft Excel spreadsheet program knows what's coming next. Americans should expect to see the old "Fill Right" trick. That is, when producing a long-term financial model or forecast, the Excel user in the absence of research, data, or just common sense, simply copies the value or formula from one cell (for, say, monthly or quarterly sales) to all the succeeding cells (months or quarters in ensuing years). The result is an impressive looking spreadsheet, but one whose projections are baseless and without foundation.

As the interim surge report made clear in July, President Bush like any failed CEO has been relying on the old fill-right gimmick since the Iraq war commenced. Starting in 2003, Bush simply selected the cell containing the phrase "We're Making Progress" and filled right...

For a screen shot and more details, see:
"White House to Author 'Fill Right' Iraq Report for Petraeus."

Actually, the Iraq invasion commenced in November '99. Right after the supreme court awarded the white house to the bush crime syndicate.

So much for listening to the commanders in the field.

Look what happened to Eric Shinseki.

Just like the CIA reports on the WMD's (and the agency got the blame for the inaccuracies) the WH will selectively cherry pick the "facts" they want to hear, while the Congressional Republicans will cherry-pick pages.

ysbaddaden @ 5:

So much for listening to the commanders in the field.

Look what happened to Eric Shinseki.

Just like the CIA reports on the WMD's (and the agency got the blame for the inaccuracies) the WH will selectively cherry pick the "facts" they want to hear, while the Congressional Republicans will cherry-pick pages.

Or pick pages cherries.

It's a rope-a-dope alright... unfortunately, the big Dope is the one roping all of us in yet again. Why are we surprised this WhoreHouse actually lies to the extent it does? And Dana Perino, bs tumbling from those lips... nobody believes you, honey! Nobody!!!

When the report finally comes out, it'll be interesting to see if the media questions any part of it, since it was written in the white house, or if they fall in step and repeat all of it as if it were gospel.

The bloggers are ahead of the rest of the media because they read the newspapers. I mean, like, whole articles and not just headlines. Whew. Makes my head hurt.

General BETRAYUS and President Bushleague

I read Petraeus and Crocker will testify publicly on Iraq.
I guess they better get there stories straight.

After watching this video, I'm not so sure I'd trust General Betrayus since he doesn't even seem to remember rudimentary gun safety procedures.

I can hardly wait for the report from the White House.
Finally we will hear the truth and nothing but the truth. LOL

I was only 99% certain what Petraeus was going to say. However, it doesn't even matter now, because he's not going to be saying anything. All the time lately it's been "wait to hear Petraeus' report, wait to hear Petraeus' report"... and we're not even going to hear it.

Mmmmmmmm! Can't ya just smell the report's credibility already? Biiiig browwwn steaming credibility.

Angry One @ # 1

Another good trick with EXCEL is to hide columns ( ie . all the bad news ) then no one really knows what the hell is going on.

You can go one step further by creating pie charts to summarize EXCEL tables and present the info in a POWER POINT presentation. At this stage the viewers know the presenter is lying but they have no way of pointing out the errors and contradictions.

The Perrspecitives article was excellent.

They missed at least four dates.

Bush saying

May 1/03 " we have killed or captured 50% of thh insurgents( Al Quida)"
Sept. 7/03 " we jhave killed or capturd 66 % of the insurgents ( Al Quida)"
Oct. 19/04 " we have kileld or captured 75% of the insurgents ( Al Quida)"

and

June 20/05 - Cheney's " last throes of the insurgency " comment.

The back ground music will be "Good Day Sunshine" or "Happy Happy Joy Joy", it makes George giggle.

Rveryone already knows what the almighty Petraeus will say.....whatever Chimpy tells him to.

You stupid Americans will be paying for the Iraqi invasion for generations.

elvis lives

Why was it that when the Democrats "set a timetable for withdrawal" it was considered "giving in to the terrorists" but when Bush sets a timetable for reevaluation(you know, like considering the possibility of withdrawal, lol, like he ever would, the messianistic schleprock) it's not considered the same way, as emboldening the terrorist to "wratchet up the horror" on our troops?

Funny how the MSM forgets to be consistent, because it can't be intentional, right?

The Truth Hurts @ 17:

Rveryone already knows what the almighty Petraeus will say.....whatever Chimpy tells him to.

You stupid Americans will be paying for the Iraqi invasion for generations.

The smart one's'll be payin', too, Rastro.

Stepford Wives Generals

Short version of the report
We have had some military success
We have had not enough political success.
See ya back here in six months.

Gort @ 21:

Stepford Wives Generals

I think the German generals used the pharse "I was just following orders".

Yellow Elephant Safari @ 2:

The shadow government issues a ghost written report. Hmmmm.

Shadowy men on a shadowy planet

wants him to not too

jeff @ 23:

Gort @ 21:

Stepford Wives Generals

I think the German generals used the pharse "I was just following orders".

Well, at least the ones that didn't try to assassinate Hitler with a bomb.

The only way to make sense of all this is to simply ignore everything the Maladministration says and draw your conclusions from what they do. They're simply ignoring everyone, from Baker-Hamilton to the electorate to the leadership of both parties, and proceeding on a long-term engagement in the region, with a honking big new Embassy and several enormous military bases.

What's lacking here is an alternative narrative. An opposition party that doesn't simply jawbone but, in Nancy Pelosi's now forgotten words, is "...ready to govern..."

Perfect example of why I never watch TV news anymore and hardly ever read a "major" newspaper. You want to know the real story?......Go online and to the blogs.

pissed off patricia @ 22:

Short version of the report
We have had some military success
We have had not enough political success.
See ya back here in six months.

Governance by Friedman Units.

The report will probably be contracted out to Brownie's Heckuva Job Ghostwriters, LLC.

I've been waiting to hear what CNN has to say about the LA Times article. So far they haven't said anything. General Petraeus is CNN's golden boy, so thay aren't likely to report anything negative attached to his name. John Roberts still tends to ask war critics, "Don't you trust General Petraeus"?

More propaganda from the Propaganda Administration.
What else did anyone expect from the U.S.S.R.epublicans?

"Check out how many times the Sainted One is mentioned in the begining"

Sounds more like a Surgeon General report! Guess Petra had the same speech writing rules handed to him.

Do as I have done, write your U.S. Senators and Represenative in the House(or call
their offices) and let them know that what was reported on numerous occassions
within the last 45 days(Gen. Petraeus is going to make "his" report to Congress and to
the citizens of America on Iraq on Sept. 15th), however,it is now being
reported that such a report will NOT be his, but a report prepared by and delivered
by the WhiteHouse. Neither we citizens nor our representatives will allow or condon
a report that is NOT Gen. Petraeus's, and instead permit the W/H to supercede or
over rule what WE THE PEOPLE have been anticipating...a "non-polictical" report
of truth and facts, and not more of the deceitful games being played by this
administration. We all need to let Congress know how feel, for to be silent is
to acquiese and permit more distortions and misinformation to be spread by this
W/H...

tyree @ 18:

elvis lives

I didn't even know Elvis Costello was sick.

Will we ever hear the real facts from Petraeus? Sure! When he retires, he will write this fact book, bestseller, number one and he will become a super millionaire. And we Americans? Oh! We will continue our virtual life: Movies, shoping center, the draft, NFL, etc, etc, etc. The thing is, this country has no vested interest whatsoever in winning this war. Too much money to be earned. By the way, Wall Street is falling apart, but the windfall profits of oil revenues are doubling, tripling. Of course unemployment is at 4.5% ???? Is that another bogus information fabricated by "this Government".

The Truth Hurts @ 17:

Rveryone already knows what the almighty Petraeus will say.....whatever Chimpy tells him to.

You stupid Americans will be paying for the Iraqi invasion for generations.

Just wait, when WWIII gets rolling, everyone will pay.

Progress in Iraq really depends on what happens in the next six months.

We need to see how the fake troop reduction works out.

Weaseldog @ 38:

Progress in Iraq really depends on what happens in the next six months.

You are tooooo optomistic...add another 6 month after Sept., then another 6
months to March 08, and at least another 6 months until Sept. 08...and that
is just guess, but probably better than yours..

cynic @ 27:

The only way to make sense of all this is to simply ignore everything the Maladministration says and draw your conclusions from what they do. They're simply ignoring everyone, from Baker-Hamilton to the electorate to the leadership of both parties, and proceeding on a long-term engagement in the region, with a honking big new Embassy and several enormous military bases.

The April 06 Article as to the most expensive and LARGEST U.S. Embassy being built
in Iraq did not give the "estimated cost" figures...Congress approved $492 Million for
it's construction and last report I saw, the cost had risen to $525 Million...and that was
a conservative(I hate that word) guesstimate.

Rveryone already knows what the almighty Petraeus will say…..whatever Chimpy tells him to.

You stupid Americans will be paying for the Iraqi invasion for generations

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While I agree that Patraeus will be deferential to his boss...I have to say...
Uhhmm, mr Truth Hurts, lets avoid labling all Americans "stupid" it makes YOU look like the stupid one, especially when your on a blog full of people who oppose the irrational and outrageous policies of this administration. Thanx.

Dirty @ 41:

Rveryone already knows what the almighty Petraeus will say…..whatever Chimpy tells him to.

You stupid Americans will be paying for the Iraqi invasion for generations

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While I agree that Patraeus will be deferential to his boss...I have to say...
Uhhmm, mr Truth Hurts, lets avoid labling all Americans "stupid" it makes YOU look like the stupid one, especially when your on a blog full of people who oppose the irrational and outrageous policies of this administration. Thanx.

second that.

Doggiebobo @ 39:

Weaseldog @ 38:

Progress in Iraq really depends on what happens in the next six months.

You are tooooo optomistic...add another 6 month after Sept., then another 6
months to March 08, and at least another 6 months until Sept. 08...and that
is just guess, but probably better than yours..

Well duh! The next six months are critical. It doesn't matter when you say it. It's always true, for all eternity.

Dirty @ 41:

Rveryone already knows what the almighty Petraeus will say…..whatever Chimpy tells him to.

You stupid Americans will be paying for the Iraqi invasion for generations

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While I agree that Patraeus will be deferential to his boss...I have to say...
Uhhmm, mr Truth Hurts, lets avoid labling all Americans "stupid" it makes YOU look like the stupid one, especially when your on a blog full of people who oppose the irrational and outrageous policies of this administration. Thanx.

And besides, as Wolfoshits, Rummy, Dickhead and bush-lite have told us..."The oil
revenues from Iraq will pay for the war"; therefore "What Me Worry", it'll all be taken
care of "over there so we don't have to pay for it over here."

So is General Petraeus being used or is he willingly going along with the neo-criminal lies? Either way, the military (like the judiciary) shouldn't be used for political grandstanding.

We just had 500 people bomb in Iraq just the other day. Is there any doubt how well we are doing? Bill Kristol said things are going great in Iraq, in spite of the death of the 500 in one day. Just boggles the mind of how this could even be spun to keep the war going.

Chancellor Dick Cheney in 1994 said the war in Iraq would be wrong, and now its right, and the only thing that have change between then and now is that we lost a foothold base in the middle east, and Iraq already weaken and under our thumb was the choice to invade.

Yellow Elephant Safari @ 6:

ysbaddaden @ 5:

Just like the CIA reports on the WMD's (and the agency got the blame for the inaccuracies) the WH will selectively cherry pick the "facts" they want to hear, while the Congressional Republicans will cherry-pick pages.

Or pick pages cherries.

kudos for the choicest comeback! sweet!

Liberal AND Proud @ 10:

General BETRAYUS and President Bushleague

Hey, Jackass. Patraeus is a brave son-of-a-bitch doing the best job he can under direct orders and great pressure from those bigger jackass in the WH. So take your cute little nicknames somewhere else. Progressives should (and mostly do) value the service of all our men and women in uniform...especially the ones with their asses in the wringer.

That photo-op loop that kept playing with Petreus instructing the Iraqi how to squat with his gun in the safest manner was laughable. Petreus the US commander in Iraq is giving these soldiers lessons on firearm safety, etc? Please... This casual video of him is nothing more than a ruse meant to project to the viewer that it is just that close to success! Teach these Iraqi soldiers a bit of rudemenraty safety and shazam! the surge is working!

I'm sure he has better things to do than to instruct on the methods of gun safety... Right?

You wonder why the LA Times killed part of the story? Because they are controlled by intelligence operatives. Some technician at one of the telephone companies gave the LA Times info about how monitoring devices were being installed at his workplace. The editor at the LA Times killed the story. Then got a PROMOTION. I know the site monitor considers this conspiracy crap, but it was reported in the major media, after the fact. C & L acts like these are all separate incidents of bumblers in government. It's part of a PATTERN.

...and Patreus thinks they'll reward him with!?!!??!?!?!?!

Come on dude, after they get through using you up the spit you out and throw you under the bus.

Johnny 2 bad,
I beg to differ, although I think the nickname thing you've a point, if Gen. Petreus is the man you think he is he should soon prove his metal by coming back and giving us the brutal truth without playing political games or by dodging the facts on the ground- the entire grounds of Iraq, not just Baghdad. How many more Generals on the ground will be chewed up by this administration and remain loyal to the dead ideas stemming from the chicken hawks? Where are these brave men when they come back home? Will they speak out? If they do not...where's the bravery in that? I do respect the uniform. I do respect Petreus. I will until he alone allows his voice to be drowned out by the war drums and the fluttering wings of chicken hawks.

The framing of the war now by all these pro-war sycophants is sliding into a comfortabole zone of "if it fails it was the dissenters that weakened our resolve and emboldened the enemy."
AND
"if it is successful it was Bushes foresight and those that stuck by him."

Those are the two things gathered from listening to the likes of Hannity, et al.

Rovian Semantics 101.

CNN was talking about the Generals much anticipated report today. They made no mention of the fact that it will be a bullshit based, BushCo produced farce. Perhaps someone should let them know ?

Turk Meister @ 12:

After watching this video, I'm not so sure I'd trust General Betrayus since he doesn't even seem to remember rudimentary gun safety procedures.

I was thinking that had to be a fake gun, the way he was pointing it at everyone who was standing around. What the hell was going on in that clip?

Col Kilgore @ 54:

CNN was talking about the Generals much anticipated report today. They made no mention of the fact that it will be a bullshit based, BushCo produced farce. Perhaps someone should let them know ?

But they enjoy their delusions so much...

Truth wont come out of Patraeus until he retires. If you haven't noticed, each General who reaches retirement (and can finally tell the truth without retribution) tells us how bad this war is for America and for the American image.

Will Patraeus Betray-us?

There is one thing I can disagree with Craig Crawford, and that is when he says "the Dems are actually in good position by not having a handle on Bush's war".

It seems to me that the Dems would have more favorability by ending the Iraq Occupation.

Thats right Occupation and Crawford called it War, so theres two disagreements.

Is there a win and lose in an Occupation ?

General Petreus is leading this charge simply because all of the qualified generals left.

He has a reputation for doing as he's told.

Robt @ 58:

There is one thing I can disagree with Craig Crawford, and that is when he says "the Dems are actually in good position by not having a handle on Bush's war".

It seems to me that the Dems would have more favorability by ending the Iraq Occupation.

Thats right Occupation and Crawford called it War, so theres two disagreements.

Is there a win and lose in an Occupation ?

Yes, staying is winning. Leaving is losing.

When Iraq become the 51st state, then we've won.

Hey.......doesn't Craig Crawford do a great Bill Cosby??

the media will act like General Betray Us is the most independent general ever and "Bush was right!"

I really hope that every sack-of-shit liar, like that blonde bimbo Bush spokeperson shown in that clip, get to see war crimes trials and face the same punishment as Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz (to name a few). If not, then we'll have nothing but unabashed liars from here on out.

I can't even remember when things were sane in this country. It is going to take decades to undo all this harm to our country. I don't even know if things are fixable as I don't know if there's enough time before an economic collapse.

Weaseldog @60

Sure, the 51st state of denial for the Bush Adm. !

Besides, why should Petraeus present this report when Bush has his "WAR CZAR" Ex Gen Lute ?

Isn't that Bush's new insulating fall guy ? You think the War Czar Lute insurance policy (the American people are paying for Bush on this fiascal) will cover Petraeus as well ?

Shameless. These guys make me puke.

thepoetryman @ 52:

Johnny 2 bad,
I beg to differ, although I think the nickname thing you've a point, if Gen. Petreus is the man you think he is he should soon prove his metal by coming back and giving us the brutal truth without playing political games or by dodging the facts on the ground- the entire grounds of Iraq, not just Baghdad. How many more Generals on the ground will be chewed up by this administration and remain loyal to the dead ideas stemming from the chicken hawks? Where are these brave men when they come back home? Will they speak out? If they do not...where's the bravery in that? I do respect the uniform. I do respect Petreus. I will until he alone allows his voice to be drowned out by the war drums and the fluttering wings of chicken hawks.

Points taken except one...He's loyal to his country. We elected those idiots...not the military. Also, I'm not arguing that he's the second coming of MacArthur or Patton. I just don't think he deserves that outrageous nickname after his honorable service to our country. Jeez. He is one of ours for christ sake.

I am in no way endorsing such a thing, nor would i be happy about it, but i have to say that it would be really ironic if Petraeus were killed in Iraq before he could deliver the report.

It would also be interesting to see how politicians try to spin that to sway opinions and votes.

Well, it does make more sense for the White House to write the report. It will tell the United States that Bush was correct all the time.
Why do we need a report that may contradict the Almighty Bush?

The report that will come out in September will be scipted like a war movie with the heroes winning. Bush may even don his cod piece for us again, strut in front of the cameras and tell us that he told us so. And we'll eat it all. Even the Congress will eat it. This is what we do.

Unless, by some act of bravery, someone questions this report and asks Petraeus to defend the report under oath. And do the questioning in September so the answers are fresh in his mind.

There will be no questions from the media though. You know that we go to war with the media that we have, not the media that we wish we had. No questions from them, no.
We accept the report and go on with our lives in a our lemming ways. Following the lemming in front of us straight over that cliff.

But, wait, some of us are not following that crowd. We don't nod in unison. We can question the unquestionable.

We must put pen to paper, finger to keyboards and voice to phone to tell those in power that they must do something to set the record right. We are depending on them to voice the opinion of the masses.

And if they don't then they can have their walking papers.

Okay America, get busy.

The other side of the Sept Iraq report, Ambassador Crocker. How does he present roses of unity when the Sunni's walked out.
Does give promise of a unifying stable government. And we are arming these sunni's Just for fair play only...............

When the real patriots take back the White House, I think real consideration should be given to calling back the competent generals who have resigned so they could tell the truth. I greatly fear that our military is now being run by "political generals" whose main accomplishment is that they are willing to sacrifice troops for Exxon and Halliburton in an unwinnable war, while keeping their mouths shut.

Don't forget that the big "benchmark" that the administration (and a lot of the Democrats, led by Reid and Pelosi) keep talking about is the oil law - which essentially turns over Iraqi oilfields to American big oil. For some reason, the Iraqi parliament seems reluctant to do that.

Go figure.

Also don't forget that the military bases being (illegally) built are for one purpose - to protect that oil! That's what the real mission is and I have no respect for any general who would go along with that. Either P is too stupid to see that or he is going along with the plan. In any case, I have great respect for the generals who resigned and retired - none for the yes-men who are going along to get along.

I didn't hear KO mention this but from what I understand is that the General will be going in front of Congress to answer questions before the report comes out...in my view this is better...c-span will carry it live and Crooks and Liars will post clips of it...yay

It really is a statement about how fundamentally stupid they think the American People are, or at least the people who vote for them.

Check out this CNN article. The precedent is amazing:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/16/poll.iraq.report/index.html
"Poll: Majority mistrustful of upcoming Iraq report"

Notice the CNN prose as an ostensibly objective pollster on the outside looking in:

"A majority of Americans don't trust the upcoming report by the Army's top commander in Iraq (Petraeus)on the progress of the war..."

"CNN Polling Director Keating Holland said he doesn't think the mistrust is directed at Petreaus as much as it is what he represents."

"White House press secretary Tony Snow reacted to the poll, saying that he hoped that "people do not try to engage in personal attacks on Gen. Petraeus or Ambassador Crocker.""

"""David Patraeus is basically the guy who's written the manual on counterinsurgency, and the one thing that you see with returning Democratic and Republican congressman is that something very significant has taken place," Snow said."

Petraeus, Petraeus, Petraeus, Petraeus.
It's clear from everyone involved that they were either convinced or were doing the convincing, (Snow) that this would be a product of Petraeus and to a lesser extent Crocker.

Nowhere, nowhere does it say, suggest or imply, that the report would YET AGAIN be a shameless by-product of the Bush White House. To paraphrase Bush: It will be Petraeus who will tell us what's happening in September, until then STFU.

Duped, suckered, and more American dead for the sake of an underhanded stall tactic against the American people.

.....Unless, I suppose, it all depends on your definition of "Petraeus."

CNNs Suzanne Malveaux seemed to be very impressed with Tony Snow's latest false dilemma:

TONY SNOW, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: "We've got to choose whether to stay or leave Iraq. The decision will influence the entire world. And it's going to stamp future generations of Americans for good or ill. They will recall this either as America's finest hour or its final hour as a nation of consequence."
Stay or leave are just two choices among many, and whose to say if leaving Iraq might not represent our finest hour. Spurious arguments tend to go zipping right over the heads of CNN reporters.

"David Patraeus is basically the guy who’s written the manual on counterinsurgency, and the one thing that you see with returning Democratic and Republican congressman is that something very significant has taken place,” Snow said.”

Of course, manuals get thrown in the trash all the time when they turn out to be inaccurate or obsolete.

You people just aren't capable of understanding.. The repubs constantly attacked Clinton and Dems over what they called, "moistening thier finger and putting it up in the wind" to make decisions.

The repubs position is this is not leadership. Well we are getting the repub leadership. (titanic steering).

Where they decide and stick to it no matter what, who, or why. So we are on the recieving end of republican leadership.
Steering this ship into the icy waters with icebergs. With only enough life boats for Bush's "haves and have mores"..........we get to pull ourselves up by our boots straps and wait for help in the freezing waters.................

This is the greatest exhibition of Kabuki Theater ...... EVER.

The public gets what it deserves every time with this Administration. This Administration
just knows that the public will bend over and take it, as they always have. This bozo got
52% of the vote in 2004. The public really is lame these days.

Memo to Petraeus er... Bush: Why not just issue that September Report right now,
and spare us the suspense?

Arroyo @ 77:

This is the greatest exhibition of Kabuki Theater ...... EVER.

The public gets what it deserves every time with this Administration. This Administration
just knows that the public will bend over and take it, as they always have. This bozo got
52% of the vote in 2004. The public really is lame these days. blockquote>

I know a few of those within that 52%. Very few will admit it now. I have to remind them that they can't change their vote after the election.

Is Riverbend dead? Last posting at Baghdad Burning April 26, 2007.

Why didn't 'W' cite the civic successes or failures in Iraq? Why only military and political advances or shortcomings?

We know our military is winning every battle in Iraq but, losing the war.

We know that the political system in Iraq is far from broken as it never existed. Only an artificial body, in an artificial state, buried now in the recesses of a Green Zone bunker no longer accessible to suicide bombers.

The key question of the White House Report on Iraq is 'What have we done to save Iraqi society?'

Nothing. We've murdered and nurtured the murder of 100's of thousands of Iraqi's. We've caused a complete disintegration of a society. No security, no electricity, no schools, no hospitals, no food, no potable water, no employment and surely NO LIBERTY, NO FREEDOM AND NO DEMOCRACY as Mr. Bush assured us that there would be.

Is Riverbend dead?

If she is, then it is time to come home.

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" #70 -UnEasyOne Says: When the real patriots take back the White House, I think real consideration should be given to calling back the competent generals who have resigned so they could tell the truth. I greatly fear that our military is now being run by “political generals” whose main accomplishment is that they are willing to sacrifice troops for Exxon and Halliburton in an unwinnable war, while keeping their mouths shut. ".

You may be correct on some of the Generals being politically pushed ( as Peter Pace). And some Generals that should be considered to be returned to duty.

There are Generals that dog and pony as to keep their jobs to do as much as they can as General to help the soldiers as they play suck up to Bush.
You did hit on the fact that what they were doing to the Justice Dept., they were doing to the military and most al of government.

What a mess for the next President that actually cares to turn it around. It better not be another CEO President because he'll have to down size America for his bonus package..........

I hate the smell of NeoCon propoganda.

Which headline will have more credibility?

"Elvis found on spaceship with Bigfoot"

or

"The White House September Assessment of Progress in Iraq"
?

Which one deserves to be in The Weekly World News?

Why not get the report on Iraq from Wikpedia?

Hmmm... It looks like you've already made up your minds and branded the General a Liar.

I'm a retired Navy Commander. I can assure you that I would not lie if ordered to, nor would I allow my reputation be used in propaganda.

I have one more headline for Tashman: "Liberal zeolots will label Petraeus a hero and let him speak!\

Is this war more about ruining the US economy than merely oil profits for friends?
A huge budget surplus turns into a budget deficit, and the US citizens will be left holding the bag for the atrocities done in Iraq.

Also, anyone who has helped us has been burned. Has anyone understood the implications of our policies in Iraq? The people who had some belief in Democracy, or the US, are now abandoned in favor of the group with the most chance at winning the civil war. So they people who were blowing us up are now our allies while the blow up "Al Qaeda" (which is probably less significant a presence in that nation than the Jamaican bobsledding team was at the Olympics -- and only got in due to our invasion), and meanwhile, blow up all the folks who originally helped us.

Talk about fickle friends.

So, the hand-wringing Democrats and "ask me what you think" generals like Betrayals-R-Us, somehow enable Bush to just go ahead and do what he wants. I feel like a collapse is imminent, and it will justify more power and suspension of civil liberties in order to "solve" the problem, that they created -- in earnest and in every way they could think of to impoverish our nation and "hollow it out."

Tom Desrosier @ 85:

Hmmm... It looks like you've already made up your minds and branded the General a Liar.

I'm a retired Navy Commander. I can assure you that I would not lie if ordered to, nor would I allow my reputation be used in propaganda.

I have one more headline for Tashman: "Liberal zeolots will label Petraeus a hero and let him speak!\

Right. I'll trust a ground-pounder, or a soldier over a General any day. I think it gets more and more obvious to the un-enlisted folk that top brass owe their promotions to being politically astute, and sending Washington happy talk than for valor or strategy.

I suppose we are supposed to just forget that the approximately 1% of generals that spoke up at a pretty obvious cluster-f**k, have all lost their jobs. In Darwinian terms, it would mean that Generals are selected for; "survival of the most agreeable." If there were such hollywood-esque heroic honesty like you suggest, these men would have stood down and refused to serve this AWOL president a while ago. Their oath is to the Constitution. This is an illegal war.

Following orders is a noble thing, if mixed with a code of honor. But honor gets people courts marshaled these days -- or perhaps fragged like a hero named Pat Tillman.

The days of people with fishing tackle on their chests looking like anything but errand boys is fading into distant memory. If you'd like people to believe you -- then you would join a lot more military commanders and perhaps speak up. Because part of honesty is to let people known when they are being lied to.

Shorter Dana Perino: "Congress asked to be BS-ed on this matter, so we're merely happy to oblige!"

Petraeus should talk to colin Powell. Ask Colin if he thinks it was worth it.

More, the report to Congress is not going to be made in open session. The Armed Services committee should subpeona Petraeus and Crocker in public hearing, with C-Span cameras rolling. Under oath.

Petraeus should talk to Colin Powell and ask Powell if dishonoring and disgracing himself was worth having whatever it was gained by the disgrace and dishonor in which he is now permanently shit-stained. If Powell were honest he might advise Petraeus that some stains will never wash off.

Irrelevent, but I've got to note, Olbermann's commentor sounded just like Don Knots.

I don't get it. What difference does it make which administration hack and liar wrote it or delivered it? They all have the same amount of credibility; none. A suit of green with ribbons on it doesn't make Petraeus any more credible than the dozen other uniformed liars that BushCo has trotted out to the cameras.

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Waddya bet come September, boosh will say Barney ate his report?

Then they had to put him to sleep.

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It does not matter. Anything this incompetent hundred thousand gun losing fool spews, will be the same as if Bush is speaking

Olbermann on the Petraeus Scam.

[...]Enough already.[...]

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