Matt Cooper Says Rove DID Leak Valerie Plame's Identity To Him: UPDATED!
By Logan Murphy Saturday Aug 18, 2007 12:20pm
Following Karl Rove’s appearance this morning on “Meet The Press” David Gregory (who is involved in the Plame scandal. More on that later.) held a round table discussion which included former Time Magazine reporter Matt Cooper. Cooper, who was dead center in the Valerie Plame scandal, stops just short of calling Karl Rove a liar, insisting that he did, in fact, leak Valerie Plame’s name to him in 2003.
Karl Rove’s denial from earlier in the program:
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Gregory: Matt Cooper, let’s pick up on an aspect of the interview with, with Karl Rove having to do with the leak case, the CIA leak case, that you were part of as well. And something’s that’s very interesting, he, he went out of his way to say, “I would not have been a confirming source on this kind of information” and taking issue with, with Novak’s testimony in his column that he knew who Valerie Plame was. He said he would never confirm that information. That’s different from your experience with him.
Cooper: Yeah, I, I think he was dissembling, to put it charitably. Look, Karl Rove told me about Valerie Plame’s identity on July 11th, 2003. I called him because Ambassador Wilson was in the news that week. I didn’t know Ambassador Wilson even had a wife until I talked to Karl Rove and he said that she worked at the agency and she worked on WMD. I mean, to imply that he didn’t know about it or that this was all the leak…
Gregory: Or that he had heard it from somebody else…
Cooper: …by someone else, or he heard it as some rumor out in the hallway is, is nonsense.
Gregory: But he makes no apologies to Valerie Plame.
Cooper: Karl Rove never apologizes. That’s not what he does..
John Amato: Cooper calls Rove a liar, plain and simple---in a dissembling way of course...
Think Progress has Rove on FOX propaganda....
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Rove=liar
Rove's real concern in outing Plame: the "YELLOW CAKE'' SCAM WAS BASED ON NIGERIAN SPAM
And,....? What...... now Matt Cooper comes out and says Rove fucking lied? Now!? Where was he during the investigation? Where was he when he was needed to nail the Washington Pillsbury Dough-boy's ass to the wall? Fuck him! Another dumbass who's willing to talk NOW and NOT when it was needed!
Why didn't Gregory bring both men together to discuss these issues?
SpankyTheMonkey @ 3:
I agree, but WHY wasn't Cooper ask similar questions relating to this 2 1/2 to 3 months
ago by the MSM?????
cha-ching....but will anything come of it...doubt it...These guys have run roughshod over the Constitution and gotten away with it...I see no reason to believe that this will change anything......unless someone gets a spine.Politicians...nope......Reporters/Journalists....(yeah I know....it made me laugh too)....nope....who else?
Definition of dissemble, from the American Heritage Dictionary:
TRANSITIVE VERB: 1. To disguise or conceal behind a false appearance. See synonyms at disguise. 2. To make a false show of; feign.
INTRANSITIVE VERB: To disguise or conceal one's real nature, motives, or feelings behind a false appearance.
Yep, he called Rove a liar, at the very least a deceiver. Hey, isn't Satan known as "The Great Deceiver"?
Which also begs the question if Fitz knew this, then why exclude Rove from any type of prosecution? I understand the burden of proof but to just completely exclude him and ONLY go after Libby for perjury and then not further pursue the case is perplexing.
Doggiebobo @ 5:
I've asked myself the very same question....about every issue with these guys....from 2000 on....the MSM doesn't ask the right questions.And never have.They know the right questions to ask...but just don't.........and Murdoch will surely make it worse.Two parties,same people....
Nice catch. I must haved zoned at by that point in the malaise on Sunday talk. :(
It's amazing that a journalist can remember a conversation from 2003 but Republicans in the White House can't remember something from over a week ago.
Wait a minute... in the second clip Rove says that "we now know" that Wilson came back from Niger with information that CONFIRMED Iraq attempted to buy yellowcake from Niger. He also said something about a British investigation that also confirmed their original/initial findings regarding that memo.
We know that now? Where can I find out more about this?
Rove apologize? Never. Republicans don't do that - ever.
For the details, see:
"The Unpology: How Republicans Never Say They're Sorry."
Rove is a treasonous vulture interested in turning our country into a neo-fascist dictatorship. To call him patriotic is a flat out lie. He, Bush/Cheney/Gonzales are not public servants but self proclaimed royalty doing what's best for THEM, not our country. Can't wait until they all go back that Texas hole where they belong.
mudshark @ 9:
And you really have to ask yourself-----why!? Why won't they ask those right questions at that time? Is the MSM really that far-gone stupid and/or corrupt? Does the current regime really have their tentacles buried that deep? And, if all that is true----what does that say for 2008?
Wow! Karl Rove is a LIAR?
Who would have ever guessed?
I guess the Pope is Catholic and Bears do shit in the woods after all.
When I hear them say "We Now Know"or "The Fact Is".....their lying.The Public used to listen and think they were getting the truth....So much for that.
Anyone who took the time to read 'Bush's Brain' understands the true nature of Karl Rove.
The Bush Roving Sons of Watergate are only the latest rendition in a long line of Republican skulduggery stretching back to its genesis.
As the political party of the business class it has always had an affinity for the bottom line.
One can at least creit Mr. Rove for parlaying the national security state as far as he did.
[...] calling Karl Rove a liar, insisting that he did, in fact, leak Valerie Plame
OOOO, proof that Rove doggy dog wasn't keepin it real...
Plame's lawsuit against Rove et al. is still in the works, right?
Fucking dissemblers.
Isome @ 12:
As I said in another C&L thread, I could not and cannot bear to watch Rove, therefore
missed what you indicate he said in the 2nd clip...and I still cannot watch; but is that
accurate? That is, Rove said that Wilson's report "confirmed" Iraq's attempt to buy
yellowcake from Niger??? This is first I have ever heard of any report "confirming" such.
Sounds like another lie by Rove that went unchallenged by Gregory.
Spanky.....you ask why?...It's the people at the top,the ones who sign the editors checks.That's what they want....simple as that.corrupt?oh yeah......
On September 10, 2001, Donald Rumpsmells held a press release to announce that there was 2.3 trillion dollars missing from the Pentagon. My opinion is that much of this money was used to purchase the press/pr corporations.
The teams of accountants hired to find the missing money were in the area of the pentagon that was destroyed the next day. They perished along with the evidence.
Only one congress woman tried to find out what happened to the missing loot and her name was Cynthia McKinney who asked Mr. Rumpstump about the pirates booty several times at oversight meetings. She never got an answer but was latter accused of assaulting capital police. Her opponents were well funded by AIPAC and of course there were Diebold voting machines.
All of that money bought the collective silence of our media.
Our country is now (perhaps next week) in danger of being turned into a third world police state by the global cults who rule by fractional reserve banking. The people who could help turn this around are dying in a meat grinder in Iraq while a private army is being trained and field tested to replace them.
If it helps you sleep, call me a "nutjob" but did you ever think that the armed forces of the united states of america would be involved in the wholesale slaughter of people who never threatened us?
Straight Shooter @ 7:
Haw! PLEASE don't give Rove that kind of cred! He's not scary enough to be Satan. All this man ever was is a ruthless, morally deficient dirtbag who was picked last for kickball in the 3rd grade and has been trying to get back at the world ever since. He's not special in any way; he's just willing to do and say what decent people wouldn't. Hell, I can think up some seriously evil things, I just don't ACT on them. This soulless goofball just doesn't have that filter (I'm sure he had it surgically removed).
All I want to know is when Butterbutt is going to jail. Never, I know, but I can dream!
Everything I see about rove indicates that this poor excuse for a man is a disgusting piece of shit. I sincerely hope he rots in his own hell - and soon!
dude @ 20:
He'll get pardoned..that much we already know.How his attorney could find an unbiased jury will be impossible......
I still think that there is more to this than has been revealed on the Fitz-Plame investigation. I firmly believe that there is a whole other nasty backstory to this that hasn't seen the light of day - yet.
If I was a covert CIA agent - I'd be pissed - and if I were Rove, I'd be nervous.....
Trizza @ 8:
not really !he had all the duped masses here shouting merry fitzmass ,you go fitzmass, go get em fitz , and i said then on here fitzmass is a repig and youll get no justice from a repig , i got bashed i was a defeatest a non beliver a fucking kill joy , say howd that joy work out for yah? you dont have to have a sheeps skin to know that guys like fitz are pricks!
Notice how Cheney & Rove have the same type of speech patterns. They both mutter out of the side of their mouths. Same speech coach who trains them to lie?
E Ryno @ 23:
I don't think you are nuts. I have had a couple of very smart friends lay out the case for the bankers being the real power behind all the Machiavellian shit that happens across the world. "Bankers" just seems like a sort of innocuous word, but when you consider that most of this mess, most of this meanness, MOST of the strife in the world is motivated by profit, it makes perfect sense.
Only fools expect apologies from sociopaths.
tyree @ 28:
I'm not saying you're wrong but having watched Fitz here in Illinois my opinion is that he is a prosecutor and considers it an art. Its true that he has a leash that only lets him go so far but that leash is the national security apparatus that only has to declare something "national security" to stop the wheels of justice.
It is my belief and perhaps hope that if given god like powers, Fitz would roto reem Washington.
I can assure you, there are many where I live who do not wish to see him return and resume his relentless track into the Daley machine.
EZ @ 4:
I imagine shrub's brain made it a condition of his being interviewed.
Gee, why didn't Matt Cooper mention this years ago?
Could it be that Karl Rove was in power back then?
I'd be interested in hearing Wilson and Plame respond to Karl's latest fictions.It still amazes me that the Republicans have spent every day since 9/11 tarnishing the reputations of anyone opposing the criminal aggressive "war" in Iraq as "traitors"while the reality is,Karl Rove IS undeniably,a traitor to his country.He is guilty of one of the worst crimes a citizen can commit,and yet...and yet...
Yes - old news, these people are the un-touchables. Not even the courts have been able to remedy the situation. Corrupt beyond belief, but the issue has come and gone but their are many more ----------> http://www.Youpolls.com
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E Ryno @ 32:
say wasnt the daley machine democratic????? sure no problem there!
I just can't watch Rove speak, so I had to close that clip halfway through. Everything about him reeks of lies, "catch me if you can", and cattiness. He's a traitor to the United States.
Matt Cooper labeled Rove a liar on the public airwaves. In effect, he said that Rove committed treason against the United States.
This isn't politics; this isn't a game. It's criminality being exposed.
When, Congress, when?
[...] UPDATE: Crooks and Liars has more on Rove’s Meet the Press appearance here and here. [...]
Can we arrest Karl now?
Libby took the bullet for both Rove and Cheney. Fitzgerald needed a face saving scapegoat, and Libby was it. Libby could be sacrificed without disrupting the power structure in the Whitehouse.
Certainly Libby knew he had a get outta jail free card. The court just forced Bush to ad lib a bit. Bush had to ad lib because the court was gonna put Scooter in jail before the end of Bush's term. The commutation is just the temporary fix before the promised pardon to come later.
EZ @ 4:
Because he is a Republican Hack.
Well arrest Rove already.
Why hav'nt the Dems done a money analysis of the cost of the war in Iraq (based on a pile of lies) would have bought the American people? By my estimate $2,000,000,000,000. 2 TRILLION. When you factor in rebuilding our military, rebuilding Iraq, disability payments to veterans, health care for veterans, survivor benefits, this figure is real. Tell the American people they could have had health care for all Americans, Social Security paid for forever, 100,000 (or more) new schools, how many new teachers, firefighters, and policemen. Then ask "Would you rather have America with these beneficial programs or stuck in a civil war we were deceived into?"
chorocardium @ 41:
No! That's Gonzo's job.
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Carl Rove: "I've heard that too."
That statement presupposes that the knowledge is understood BY the person acknowledging what they've heard and is most certainly NOT what someone who "doesn't know the facts" or someone who could NOT confirm the information would sat or do.
If I didn't hear the gun go off, why would I say "I hear it too?"
If someone asked me what the sound of THAT gun was, why would I say, "I heard that too?"
If I was not involved with that gun, why should I even know what it sounded like?
(I used a gun metaphor, well because there IS a smoking gun in all of this)
.
EZ @ 4:
I think I remember David Gregory being the only media person on a recent Whitehouse guest list. Does that answer your question?
I hate David Gregory just like I hate Shit Fumes, Pumpkinhead, and Tweety. Hate is an underrated value. I hate lots of things. Tyrants, Child Molestors, Hypocrites, Drug Dealers, Congress Critters, Newswhores, Tools. Where is the infinite justice?
Anyone else annoyed at how, after all these years, Rove still doesn't pronounce "Iraq" correctly? What an ignoramus.
Zed Lefflin @ 37:
shirley you don't believe your own bullshit.........what flavor today?
mudshark @ 51:
Thanks Zed......that was funny.Was it cherry,grape or lemon lime ?.....inquiring minds want to know.
So where the hell was he when Fitzgerald was conducting his investigation?
Zed Lefflin @ 37:
YOU ARE A FOOL...
You go ahead and just keep on believing that....keep you head in the sand where it belongs.
Or...you could listen to your own advise and to the research.
Oh ...But that would mean that you have been deceived by our own government....
A baseball bat needs to be liberally applied to all these repugs heads until the grey matter oozes out. Nothing less.
So NOW we're supposed to believe that there was an attempt to buy yellow cake in Niger by Iraq?
And it comes out as Rove is attempting to cover his ass on the Plame leak?
Gimme a fucking break!
Sorry...I'm not drinking the Kool Aid any more.
What is the breaking point in this country? And how many more working class citizens will lose their jobs, their homes, their health insurance, their education, their lives due to the indiference of the powerful and rich in this everything flows to the top country.
If I were extremely rich I think this is a time to begin to worry. You can't control anger with a distorted flow of information through the media.
Clearly Fitzgerald knew about this and instead of prosecuting Rove, gave him unprecedented multiple opportunities to "clarify" his misleading statements before the grand jury. He had to prosecute somebody in order to make it appear that he had done a complete investigation and wasn't letting the Bush regime off the hook. Can we all agree that the faith placed in Fitzgerald was misplaced?
Oh, and BTW, Cooper could have come out about this months ago himself. Frigging Corporate Media hack.
Which begs the question.... If Matt Cooper told Fitzgeral this. Why wasn't KKKarl indicted on charges of treason?
Snowball @ 58:
Fitzgerald was an 'acceptable and loyal' USA who not only wasnt fired he was 'promoted'. He did his job. He limited legal liability to a fall guy. He is part of all of this.
Because of this, Goebells would be proud, the TRUTH is that Rove not only did nothing wrong but acted legally and did his 'duty' from the start. Matt Cooper says .... means nothing. Who will listen? The prosecutor who is Bush loyal and who has given Rove his endorsement?
This is the baseline from this point on. Rove was right, did his duty and patriotic.
I'm leaving.
it was obviouse that fitz was going to be doing a soft shoe shuffel with this case , the delays of getting anything done showed me they were lineing up all the useual suspects so they could clear them and throw you a bone with libby as the bone, never god dam it never trust a republican , merry fitzmass !
tyree @ 38:
Fitz is a prosecutor but he can only go as far the context that surrounds him and that is the Gonzales Justice department in this case. Facism is the same whether it fields a Democratic or Republican label.
E Ryno @ 63:
if you say so
Next up--the Wilsons being prosecuted under Bush's EO, criticizing stabilization in Iraq?
hadenuf @ 65:
now theres a case ol fitz would love to handle
In th Middle Age, 5% of the population kept a tight grip on, let's call it "society" at that time. If you were a serf, you didn't know anything about the world except what was within a walking distance. Think about it. 5 percent! Now days, we make fun of the 30% still supporting this sorry ass bastard. That's close to 70.000.000 Americans. But they are the MSM, the corporations, the wealthy.
The ways events have been transpiring in the las eight months; Cheney, Rove, Bush, Gonzalez and the whole Soprano gang can come and admit all the shit they are guilty of, and chances are that nobody will do anything. Nothing will happen. Nobody will go to jail, be impeached, or be punished in any way, color or form. They got the money. They got the lawyers. They got the power. The rest is all plain talk, because there is nothing else to lose. That's how low this whole situation got me since 9/11...
Tyree@64
Fitzgerald is with them. No doubt about it. He was bought longt time ago. Way before the drama began!
garcia @ 68:
I'm can't disagree with this . . . but where are the prosecutors . . . . until we root out the cancerous security state apparatus, there will be no justice.
Eryno@67
but where are the prosecutors . .
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Well, they fired 8 or 9 of them. The plan is to take over the system with their own people. Like the Supreme Court. Just them. And the system is them. We are running out of time. Paranoia? Fucking right!
My only question about David Gregory is this: is he a Pimp or only a Whore?
But, I am starting to wonder if the Repugs have something on him. What else can explain his psudeo-journalism? Since it would be impossible for Gregory to believe the word of anyone in the Bush mis-Administration given their track record, he is either bought, a paid RNC employee mascararading as the NBC Washington Bureau Chief, or the Repugs are blackmailing him.
David Gregory- Pimp, Whore, or Coward? Take your choice.
Guido, Lover, OBGYN @ 44:
What's the point? It will just be a Scooter Libby redux. Bush will first commute his sentence the give Turdy and all out pardon a year and a half from now
garcia @ 70:
Where's Pelosi? Probably somewhere blinking hysterically while these crooks and criminals undermine our nation, its courts and constitution.
The bottom line is this: if proven that Rove or anyone else released Valerie Plame's identity as a covert agent(and that has been confirmed, trolls) then the results should be execution by firing squad. It would fall under the definition of treason to betray one's covert agents to a foreign enemy. Also, one of the results of this betrayal and the ensuing lies is that thousands of people have been needlessly killed and an entire country destroyed. Literally millions of lives, millions, have been negatively affected; thousands of U.S. soldiers died, tens of thousands maimed; ten of thousands of Iraqis and possibly hundreds of thousands dead, untold numbers injured, millions becoming refugees. The aggressor nation stripped of it's liberties and changed, perhaps forever, from its promise to its decay while the entire world becomes a volatile powder keg. Overstatement? Understatement if anything. These people have ruined lives and many have died. I am against capital punishment but in this case it is necessary not only to right a wrong and bring justice but to make sure that this type of insanity does not happen again by politicians in this democratic republic.
Isome @ 12:
Again the Rove/Republican modus operandi that if you repeat a lie often enough, the citizens will believe it..... and it thus becomes the truth. I really can't believe he's STILL trying to peddle this long-ago discredited intelligence as a forgery.
Wilson reported the truth of the situation in Niger. The administration could't dispute or attack the truth, so they went after Wilson & Plame. It's the age old tactic of attacking the messenger.
Rove has lied about this so often, I think he actually believes it himself! It IS 'pathological!'
the media lets the connies lie again and again and keeps booking them for interview shows
Lest anyone forget, anon at 59, I have heard both Bush and Gonzo say more than once that Fitzgerald is doing a good job. This should give a person pause in the light of the USA firings based on politics.
It will be interesting to hear Joe Wilson's rebuttal to the claim Rove made in that interview.
Mug @ 78:
Of course, Wilson really shouldn't have to make a rebuttal. MTP and other mainstream news sources should be pointing out (as Jane Hamsher did on her blog) that, for instance, it's absolutely wrong to say (as Rove did) that Wilson claimed to have been sent to Niger by the White House. Wilson never made such a claim. Similar falsehoods should be pointed out as well. In short, the news media should do its job of presenting factual information.
What's with David Gregory wishing Karl Rove good luck in his future endeavors? Hasn't Karl done enough already, and haven't the media aided and abetted? I listened to the entire Walter Cronkite lead in and Dan Rather report on the Republicans in 1972 in which Karl Rove was interviewed. It was a good report, and Walter Cronkite didn't couch his every word by trying to be so "fair and balanced." Reporters these days have abdicated their responsibilities. You are right. They either are bought and sold or they simply have not learned to be journalists. Heaven help us, the US citizens, with these blunderers supposedly our truthtellers.
The only way the 'mer'kan people will be outraged is if KKKarl is caught in the act with a congressional page-boiy
Help me out, please. Comments such as this - "Gee, why didn’t Matt Cooper mention this years ago?" - are tongue-in-cheek, yes?
Cooper published this version of events in the summer of 2005 and told a similar story at his trial - it is hardly a secret, or news, that Rove leaked to Cooper.
The only "news" is Rove's denial that he would not do such a thing, especially since it is widely known that he did.
Trizza @ 8:
I think Fitz needed a second witness and was trying to force Libby to turn evidence against Rove under pressure of prison, but we all remember who put a stop to that.
Karl ROVE is an AZZHOLE and a TRAITOR...he should be in JAIL......
mudshark @ 26:
There is no guilt or innocence in a civil suit. One side wins by the preponderance of evidence. The losing side may pay damages to the winning side. In many cases it is a moral victory because the losing side may have no assets to pay the winner.
The thing we have to all realize is that we cannot prosecute these guys yet. Wait until bush leaves office so he cannot 'pardon' any of them. If we can somehow wait until January 2009 to jail these criminals, there won't be a chance for 'chuckelnuts' to let them off the hook.
Damn, I soooo wanted Fitz to be the real deal. But it is clear now what he really was/is. Boo Who. I have not a single illusion left.
If Rove did leak Plame`s name, then why was he not indicted so that Bush could give him a pardon?
In fact, why the hell are any of these guys still in office?Especially Bush and Cheney.
I`ve heard that Patrick Fitzgerald could still bring charges with new evidence.So with this and Novak`s info,what`s he waiting for?
Fitzgerald should call for the indictment of Rove. Now. Tomorrow.
Don't you all think it will be a terrible precedent to allow Bush and Cheney off the hook w/o an impeachment process EVEN if the senate throws it out which they will. For crying out loud they tried to impeach Clinton for a blow job! These two fucked us every possible way with sand from Iraq and they are going to get away???!!!
He told Chris Wallace that she wasn't undercover. If she wasn't, why were they leaking her name. They should be challenged every time they spew that line. And that reporter, Vivica Novak, who reminded him that he'd made an error, should be convicted also. I hope that case is not closed.
EZ @ 4:
The whole bush clan and their co-conspirators are liars. Pathological liars. They will lie to get what they want. They will lie to intelligence that serve their objectives. They will lie to cover-up a lie and they will lie even about their lies.
After David Gregory attended the Correspondents' Dinner and enthusiastically performed an embarrassing "rap" bit with Karl Rove, it's impossible for me to think of him as an objective journalist.
There were several times during the interview in which he could have challenged Rove, but didn't.
What would have been more interesting was a question about Karl Rove's several decades long adoration of George W Bush. It borders on idolatry. YIKES!!
RMB @ 14:
The belong in jail!
dude @ 20:
I believe it was dismissed. It was considered a 'victory' for the chickenhawk.
GBrando @ 90:
My sentiments exactly; but the powers that be have decided it's not in the public interest. Impeachbush.com is a resource, I also remember Conyers was all in favor but has lately rolled over on it. I have no idea why. The claim they will be gone in 17 months isn't good enough for me, but I'm not getting many people on the bandwagon. I think people are either exhausted from the excessive politics or just plain fed up. Wish I had more encouraging remarks, but I am in agreement with you completely.
I can't believe that Rove is STILL claiming that the Niger/yellowcake story is TRUE! Why didn't Gregory ask him about the FACT that it based on a forgery?? [Maybe Rove sent him flowers after their dance together at the WHCD?]
Lois @ 96:
...dismissed by the same judge who ruled that the names of attendees at Cheney's secret energy meeting need not be revealed...a judge who was
appointed by...guess who! BUSH.
AbbeyHoffmansGhost @ 74:
I've been hearing and speaking of the word "fascism" lately. Sometime between the late 60's and now, I noticed that people get angry when you call them fascists. Even when they're fascists. The right becomes indignant and ludicrously projects its fascist ways on liberals, like Bill O laughably accusing Markos M and the Daily Kos. Calling Bushco fascists has been taken "off the table." But that's *exactly* what they are. The best graphic I've seen was a street banner in Europe with a pic of Bush and a pic of Hitler. it said "Same Shit. Different Asshole."
Lois @ 97:
I understand people being fed up. I've been disgusted for the past few years and I know how much harder it will be to put up with these thugs for another 17 months and then some... Remember that whoever picks up the pieces will have to deal with a lot more disgusting stuff. I don't see anyone decent in the republican side (big news!) and there's the possibility of Hillary losing in '08. With all the apathy around everything is possible. People should think very hard about the future of this country. We are not a democracy right now but if everyone would stick together we could turn it around. If not, well, then it's wait for Giuliani or whoever to strike the final blow!!
Trizza @ 8:
I have always believed that Fitz was in on the fix. After all, he is a Republican and he was appointed by Bush. I believe that Bush realized that he had to come up with a sacrificial lamb and Libby was chosen. I often wonder what Fitz's payoff is.
Rove overwhelms with sheer volume, uses the clock, and steers interviewers away from any thorough examination through long rambling propaganda riffs. His body language and eye movements alone were nice tells of discomfort, though. Now, I'd like to see him properly interviewed.
http://www.light-to-dark.com/but_whats_a_hard_drive.html
How much did Rove's White House Iraq Group know about Brewster Jennings' counter WMD proliferation operation around the time of Plame's outing? What impact did Brewster Jennings' work product have on the execution of the PNAC Preemption?
http://www.light-to-dark.com/neocons_betray_plame_and_country.html
Republicans should take a hard look at a flim flam who has led them astray. And now, he's out there, everywhere, rounding up the gullible and hoping to turn himself into an angel of goodness and common sense and deliverance.
http://www.light-to-dark.com/four_lapel_pins.html
Now find an interrogator with an apple. Rove will pack propaganda geometrically if an apple is not used. He must be held to short answers or out comes the grift.
Lois @ 97:
My fear is that the Democrats actually want the power that Bush has. And if that's true, we are surely doomed as a country. If the Democrats try to pull the same kind of shit that Bush has, there will be riots in the street. The Republicans will be screaming bloody murder (being the hypocrites they are) and the liberals and progressives will be screaming bloody murder and bolting the Democratic party. Democrats, unlike Republicans will be very angry no matter who is doing the wrong thing.
LizDexic @ 100:
It's not off the table, only stated a different way.
http://www.light-to-dark.com/neo_con_trifecta.html
Regards
Kate Henry @ 104:
I'm still hopeful we'll see riots in the streets before these clowns are out! As a people, we really need our anger and outrage to get channeled out. It's been too much over our shoulders, particularly with this war, all the death and all the debt!
Karl Rove is about to learn what it means when a politico ceases being the power behind the bully pulpit. Since his exit, I've read double editorials in four newspapers with opinions from the left and the right. In each piece, both sides came down hard on Rove. The left because everything he did with Bush was about politics without morality and the right for because of the expansion of big government during his tenure. He is now in a lose-lose predicament and it's of his own making. If he isn't punished for the damage he's done to this country, it will keep happening. Rove is the recognized genius at engineering election victories. Even the Democrats are beginning to use tactics learned from his methods.
My hope is that, in the not too distant future, the last two American elections will become known as "The Rove Era." And when "The Rove Era" is mentioned, it will be pejoratively.
This shouldn't be a shock to anyone.
How are people still surprised at this stuff? The administration has clearly shown that they will do whatever they want without any fear of legal ramifications and without any consent from the American public.
Quit acting so shocked at news like this. I know it, you know it, we know it. Nobody has been able to do anything.
patricia @ 94:
I do not know if Rove has something on Gregory. I have seen him challenge the Bush administration on several occasions, but in this interview, he was as wimpy of an interviewer as was possible to be. You would have thought you were watching Fox. He just let Rove talk and talk, didn't follow-up on Rove's responses that were so obviously false. It was a disappointment.
He will still be protected even tho he is out.
Karl Rove equals basTurd Blossom liar.
Cooper is more convincing and has the mannerism of a person who is genuinely struggling to maintain the truth, not to be trampled by the well equiped lies of Rove's creation.
Karl Rove IS the Chief of Staff to Bush. Karl Rove is another side of himself when it is political business as usual. He is doing his job even if it means lying to protect his president (which means also protecting his VP). If I am reading correctly between the line of Karl's statement, he believe that he is doing his job and his duty to protect his president at all cost. Lying if he must, comes with this territory and phrasing the correct set of words to meet his objectives to do so (even if it is a distortion to the truth) sometimes is necessary to do his duty to the presidency. He has desentisized himself from any emblence of common morals or sensibility ruthlessly to do his job. Now that he will be leaving the White House, probing can be more possible to get the TRUTH. Rove is not naive and will expoit it to maximum and to his ability for a "PRICE & COMPROMISE". He is intent in raising funds for his legal defense and will utilize extortions as his power and ability to meet his objectives.
right on #3 spanky the monkey, i hope they all fry in hell.
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Does anyone really think that David Gregory, who was video'd "dancing" with Rove, would actually ask any probing follow up questions?
Journalism has gone to shit (honest bloggers excepted, of course). All journalists want is "access" which they should have without kissing ass. Have they forgotten they're supposed to be a "free press?"
As for Rove, leaving Bush in the dust will not protect him from subpoenas.
It must feel good for Matt Cooper to be able to talk about this now. Karl Rove is a disgrace, a total scumbag. He should not be allowed to slither off into the sunset with his reputation intact. I listened to his dissembling on MTP for a few minutes and just couldn't take it. He's so smug, so arrogant, so dishonest. Do not allow this man to rewrite history when it comes to the damage he's done.
So why in the hell is Rove NOT in jail, er not a former, pardoned convict like Libby??
WHeres Fitz?
I think "Fitz" is in bed with all the rest of the crooks.
This isnt NEW info!! ITs old news, I knew Rove outed Plame, You knew Rove outed Plame, and FITZ knew Rove outed Plame
and did nothing about it.
rove is a genus...if there is a hall of fame for liars, for those who would squirm their way out of tight situations with lies, then rove is at the head of the class.
Now that this Johnny come lately confession from Cooper has emerged both he a Karl Rove should be expediciously prosecuted for their roles in outing Valerie Plame/ Wilson. There is no statue of limitations on the crime and no double jeopardy protection where no charges were ever actually filed. Where is prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald now? I truly believe that the Scooter Libby prosecution was a dog and pony show put on by the DOJ to quiet public outrage. Libby's eventual pardon has been well anticipated as was the presidential commuting of his sentence. Perhaps under the new more defining circumstances Congress will begin to put the truth before politics. We the American people must pressure Congress to make sure idiots like Rove and Cheney pay harsh consequences for their criminal actions.
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Impeach now, impeach often, impeach until all the PNAC bush neocons are behind bars for their multiple domestic and international war crimes.
When will the pundits, bloggers et al stop obsessing on the symptoms of the core problem. The real problem is the brutal fact that the corporate right wing has completely taken over the country. All symptoms can be traced to this root cause. But it is not even mentioned anywhere.
PREDICTION:
Bush Cheney will instigate events that allow them (in their minds) to attack Iran as the 2008 election nears.
Using the new war as pretext, Bush will then declare a national emergency from which he will "temporarily" suspend the 2008 elections.
An enraged public will finally take to the streets, and thanks to prepositioned "brown shirts" (Nazi Germany circa 1930s) violence will begin and blood will begin to flow.
The National Guard will then be called in to shoot down the "terrorist" instigators. Kent State supplies the precedent for the National Guard's eager willingness to do this.
Then the US military will have to decide where their loyalties actually lie:
1. with the public whose funds they receive, and whose interests they are sworn to protect? or
2. with the corporate conspirators who have orchestrated all this and caused it to come to pass?
Right now I have to guess the corporations will prevail and the United States of America will permanently vanish into history to take its sorry place beside the Roman Empire.
This is a professional opinion.
Bushco knew Sadaam had no wmd.
If he had, would they have needed to forge documents to prove it?
My guess is that W had his big bud, Berlusconi use some of his intelligence assets to
break into the Niger embassy, steal and forge official Niger documents to back up
W's lies in his SOTU address.
Fascists work hand in hand.
High crimes and misdemeanours?
Treason?
The target of Bush's outing of Valerie Plame was the CIA. He used Amb. Wilson as a tool against the CIA. Wilson was not important, Valerie and the CIA was important.
The most disturbing revelation of the Plame affair was way the mainstream press allowed themselves to be used by the Bush Administration. In order to get 'scoops', star reporters like Judy Miller happily published the lies secretly fed to them by the Bush Administration. When these stories turned out to be false, the reporters feigned fidelity to a free press and refused to divulge their undisclosed sources in the government. This is a perfect recipe for fascism.
Were Matt Cooper and Judith Miller completely gangbanged by the Administration, or what?
Honestly, Conservatives actually think that the New York Times is the Liberal Media personified,
when in fact the NYT showed itself to be a cowering old stripper looking for love at an
adult bookstore or the Republican National Convention.
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I don't call that stopping short of calling him a liar. He called a spade a spade.
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It's all going to end in tears. You American chappies; ever considered devolution?
If this is new info then Rove can be nailed for it. If Cooper withheld info from Fitz then he can be held for it.
Remember when a comedian/actor died from a drug overdose and a long time later a girlfriend admitted on TV that she helped administer the drug---she got prosecuted!
If "Fitz" declines to do either, well, there you are.
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Kudos to nofoolhere, Comment #121. I absolutely believe, and have for a long time, that your analysis and prediction are precisely what is being contemplated by Bush/Cheney. It would be so easy for them, and so beneficial. Of course they won't let discretion or decency deter them from trying. Recall that we have already had a trial ballon on this, when Guliani tried to self-extend his mayoralty in New York City right after 9/11. Now we've been more thoroughly conditioned to cower and accept. Recall also that Bush is fond of summing up his personal philosophy with the phrase, "The bigger the risk, the bigger the reward." Although he has been more discreet about saying that on camera since his election, the fact remains that he never has had to experience the negative consequences of his failed risk-taking in any personal way, so he has not learned to this day to balance the potential reward of reckless risk-taking against the pain of failure.
Nofoolhere's predicted scenario will come to pass, and the result probably will be that the military sides with the corporate plutocracy. After all, they are not nuanced people, and the guy with the gun still gets to be a big shot in a land of slaves.
[...] Matt Cooper Says Rove DID Leak Valerie Plame's Identity To Him By Logan Murphy Crooks and Liars Sun... Following Karl Rove's appearance this morning on "Meet The Press" David Gregory (who is involved in the Plame scandal. More on that later.) held a round table discussion which included former Time Magazine reporter Matt Cooper. Cooper, who was dead center in the Valerie Plame scandal, stops just short of calling Karl Rove a liar, insisting that he did, in fact, leak Valerie Plame's name to him in 2003. Gregory: Matt Cooper, let's pick up on an aspect of the interview with, with Karl Rove having to do with the leak case, the CIA leak case, that you were part of as well. And something's that's very interesting, he, he went out of his way to say, "I would not have been a confirming source on this kind of information" and taking issue with, with Novak's testimony in his column that he knew who Valerie Plame was. He said he would never confirm that information. That's different from your experience with him. Cooper: Yeah, I, I think he was dissembling, to put it charitably. Look, Karl Rove told me about Valerie Plame's identity on July 11th, 2003. I called him because Ambassador Wilson was in the news that week. I didn't know Ambassador Wilson even had a wife until I talked to Karl Rove and he said that she worked at the agency and she worked on WMD. I mean, to imply that he didn't know about it or that this was all the leak... Gregory: Or that he had heard it from somebody else... Cooper: ...by someone else, or he heard it as some rumor out in the hallway is, is nonsense. Gregory: But he makes no apologies to Valerie Plame. Cooper: Karl Rove never apologizes. That's not what he does. John Amato: Cooper calls Rove a liar, plain and simple - in a dissembling way of course... My, my, hey, hey, It's better to burn out, than fade away! __________________
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Looks like I was right about free speech.
Recent clues point to Abbott and Costello as original architects of Plame Leak.
Grand Jury testimony of Karl Rove, the White House Deputy Chief of Staff of the United States (COSTUS), leaked by Rove-ing reporter (humor). How much will COSTUS cost us?
It is posted at: Karl Rove Says Who Leaked First
Bobbing and weaving, a tangled web we do. Book him, Danno.
Please keep my identity a secret. Double super Secret.
Middle-aged, Middle-of-the-road, Mid-Westerner
We can only hope that Fitz doesn't fizzle.
I think Mr. Fitzgerald's motto should be: "If you do a white collar crime then you will serve blue collar time." Look where he lodged Judith Miller. A few months in a blue collar jail and she was ready to sing. Unfortunately, she says she forgot the words
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Matt Cooper was willing to stay silent for Karl Rove.
He wrote about the outing of Valerie Plame at Time as if he weren't involved.
He gave up Scooter Libby's name right away.
Fitzgerald had to threaten him with jail.
Even then (this is when Miller and Cooper were both going to jail), Cooper was saying he was going. Then he claims he got a release (and Rove's attorney denies he got anything new) and suddenly says, "It was Karl!"
Who ever pointed out that Cooper should have gotten honest a long time ago (like before the 2004 election) was exactly right.
And the point that Rove's out of power so now Cooper's a Chatty Cathy is true too.
Karl Rove needs to be in prison. And Matt Cooper is no journalist.
Gregory? He's been repeating White House smears for years.
Is it interesting that millions of citizens inn America are inn prison, and some for withholding information about a criminal act? Sounds like Matt Cooper just committed a faux-pas and fingered himself for a serious crime. It isn't every day someone drops a dime on themselves. How about those apples Matt?
Yeah, Cooper, throw us a bone, now that the heat is off, now that it's safe to come clean and say, oh yeah, and by the way, Rove is a liar, but don't let the bad guys beat me up. Spineless, worthless, the lot of you.
while the men
who aren't men
leave the women alone
see them all making love
on a bed made of knives
Tim Buckley
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