Iraqi Prime Minister Blasts American Critics
By Logan Murphy Tuesday Aug 21, 2007 1:30pm
AP Via Yahoo:
Iraq's prime minister lashed out Wednesday at U.S. criticism, saying no one has the right to impose timetables on his elected government and that his country "can find friends elsewhere."
Bush on Tuesday said he was frustrated with Iraqi leaders' inability to bridge political divisions. But he added that only the Iraqi people can decide whether to sideline al-Maliki.
"No one has the right to place timetables on the Iraq government. It was elected by its people," he said at a news conference in Damascus at the end of the three-day visit to Syria.
"Those who make such statements are bothered by our visit to Syria. We will pay no attention. We care for our people and our constitution and can find friends elsewhere," al-Maliki said. Read more...
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Doesn't this clown know he was democratically elected by the Iraqi people to do exactly what we tell him to do?
"We care for our people and our constitution and can find friends elsewhere,”
Fine. Works for me. Bring our men and women home. Hope it works out for ya, Iraq.
Pay particular attention what Bush says in this piece.
The irony of Bush's statements is beyond words! That he can say what he does with a straight face is an incredible talent, he should quit politics and become a comedian. Now.
Liberal AND Proud @ 2:
I'm sure it would work just fine for them.
PopeTodd @ 4:
As I said. No problem.
We'll spend the money HERE.
A puppet fascist dictator dares to denounce his intellectual and moral superiors. What a pile of fascist shit.
Looks like "the right man for Iraq" is giving Dumbya a nice public spanking! :D
Does this mean they are standing up, now?
good on him! now watch as one boosh statement tomorrow and meelicky pulls a wimp job again.
To repeat an old adage: With friends like these, who needs enemies?
Liberal AND Proud @ 5:
yes, that's fine, except boosh doesn't even plan on having a domestic budget after 2008.
Liberal AND Proud @ 5:
Excellent idea! If only the administration were as clear headed...
Looks like the visits to Iran paid off. Now Bush/Cheney team will be out played and kicked out of the oil greed party. France is sliding in nicely and others will follow. Saudis are quickly moving in to build an Embassy just to get their foot in the door. Oh Dick Cheney and his plan to take Iraq oil by killing Saddam and lying to Americans just didn't work. Bush is now weaker then a baby as other World Leaders are laughing at him the the mess he's got the US in. While Americans just complain and blog and look to blame Democrats for all this as if Bush didn't do a thing. Karl Rove is working the air waves with his lies and doing the best he can to trick Americans again. To all the Christians who believed the Republican story that God wanted Bush as President let's just say Satan played a good trick on you and it worked. Iraqi people will have enough money to buy the homes in the US that hardworking Americans have lost. Yes the Iraqi people will pay in American dollars the ones Bush gave out so freely. A Muslim in every community of America with a home paid in full, as for Americans interest rates go up. Welcome to the new America.
“We care for our people and our constitution and can find friends elsewhere,”
Promise? Please, by all means, find friends elsewhere. We'll bring our men and women home.
Of course, the friends they will find will probably be in Tehran. Thanks, BushCo.
In less than two decades Iraq will be our enemy [again], regardless of how we leave that place. Reich-wingers are too myopic to understand anything beyond 5 word talking point phrases.
He'll retract those statements tomorrow. I would be shocked if he didn't.
And he's absolutly correct to say F.U. to the Bush administration. He may be running a week-ass puppet government, but at least he has balls.
Is Malki wearing jams under the desk?
They just set up a fake office on the beach.
Doesn't this make it 'Time To Go?'
Dr. Matt @ 15:
Oh, I'm betting they become our enemy again within 5 minutes of our leaving regardless of how or when we do it.
miss_kitty @ 19:
I seem to remember hearing something like that myself...
I Am A Banana @ 17:
Bush administration = you and me
A government is a reflection and representation of its people.
How's that workin' out for us.
what a crybaby!
This is the man we're supposedly supporting!!
Bush is truly King Midas In Reverse.
I say good, too. Let them find other friends and let us bring our people home.
It was a mistake to go into Iraq in the first place. Yes, Saddam was a dictator - but he was THEIR dictator. It was always the responsibility of the people in Iraq to overthrow him, not ours'. If the people of Iraq wanted freedom, then they should have fought for it.
Where were all of their Muslim brethren when Saddam was gassing Kurds and bombing Shiites? Where were the terrorists who are today attacking and killing Americans? Why weren't they terrorizing Saddam?
Quie True @ 6:
Bush or al Maliki?
Jonathon @ 25:
Takin' payoffs from Saddam and Saudi Arabia and the other regimes so they would leave them alone and instead go bother the Americans.
Quie True @ 6:
You really shouldn't speak ill of GW like that, others are watching...
Where are the flowers and sweets? Did we ever get those? If not, let's go home and stay home until we get our own country in good shape again. Seems we have worn out our welcome or non-welcome in Iraq. Now even the people that bush liberated don't like him. He's batting low numbers everywhere these days.
he makes a good point, they can and should get other friends. then we can save that 2 trillion $$$ we're going to waste on killing their citizenry.
i'm surprised he thinks we are his friends.
Why is our puppet not doing what we tell him? Since bush is bringing up the Vietnam analogy, maybe it's time to do what we did when South Vietnam's president didn't do what we told him to do:
MURDER!
Jonathon @ 25:
Exactly! Staying there is costing us $9 Billion a month... let him get it from Iran and Syria and bring our troops home!
The Iraq War: We Can't Afford It
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/19/124355/640
pissed off patricia @ 29:
Once all of our troops pull out of Iraq, we should greet them with flowers and sweets on their return!
We're paying $9 Million per hour for this shit?
WorldAsUnwill @ 16:
Though meelicky has exhibited that pattern, I actually hope not this time.
At this point nothing would surprise me. The bush administration will do as they please and just lie about it after the fact. That's been their MO the whole time. Bush will do whatever it takes to keep our military in Iraq until he leaves office. Then he'll toss the whole bloody mess into someone else's lap and ask them what they're going to do about it.
Liberal AND Proud @ 22:
you already know the answer to that, don't you?
"Please call the armored car for Mr. Diem and his brother, Major. We've promised them safe conduct home".
I imagine getting to come home and stay home would be the biggest gift we could give our soldiers. They've got babies and little kids who barely know their dad or mom. Getting to spend a lifetime with those kids probably is about all those soldiers want.
Hey, give Maliki a break-- He did CRACKDOWN … ON TRANS FATS
Brillian! (no sarcasm)
al Maliki is talkin' big. He must have his Swiss accounts full
Dubya says a US pullout will result in the same chaos that ensued following our pullout from Vietnam. Hmmmm. for four years, the Rovian drumbeat has been Iraq is not Vietnam - now suddenly it is. Up is down. Black is white, Good is bad. Can you say Ministry of Truth?
The Bushies must think the voters are awfully stupid - come to think of it...I guess, for once they're correct.
That comment by malaki sounds sort of juvenile. If you don't play nice with me, I'll get some new friends. You expect it to be followed by, So there! Maybe he understands bush well enough to know that he is dealing with a juvenile when he deals with bush, so he must talk to him in language he will understand.
TheGreek @ 41:
You talking to me?
Al Maliki is trying to triangulate us between Syria and Iran. We did this during the Cold War between Russia and China. Peripheral countries did it to us too, by joining one side or the other based on what goodies we'd give them. They could always hold out for more.
Saddamy became an expert and claiming to be on both sides at once, even though he hated communism, but strangely enough respected the cult of personality of Stalin.
Don Davis @ 44:
No, I was talking to Maliki, but thank you for the link! ;)
Who the HELL are we to tell the Iraqi government anything? We're not wanted, it's a "democracy," then we leave. If they fail, then they fail. Nothing is going to change that. We cannot prop them up forever. It is amazing that the party that attracts all the "poor people are lazy and we need to stop the entitlements" is also the party of spending $9 million a day to support a basket-case country that either can't or, more probably, won't help itself. This ain't the Pottery Barn folks. Not one more dollar, not one more life for "Iraq," whatever that means anymore. The surge is a band-aid for a hemophiliac.
No.45, this is the survival of the fittest. When U.S. becomes greedy and messes with other nations; the only way out is through becoming friends with the enemy and check- mate.
Praise the Lawrd! This is a sign from Gawd. Our Christian work in Iraq is done. Woohoo! Can we bring our people home now? Can we, huh? What do you mean no?
pissed off patricia @ 39:
yes, and there are already plenty of kids in america short at least one parent because of Iraq/Afghanistan.
ah, the GAPING MSM disconnect (episode 13,230)
the MSM LUVS to wax poetically about the "democratically elected government" in baghdad, yet whenever the reichwing crazies (or the DLC sponsored dems) talk about regime change and of "replacing the govt" the disconnect is never noted.
obviously, OBVIOUSLY, this is yet another puppet regime installed by the imperial overlords--and has about as much to do with letting 'democracy flower' as bush's use of a book. (hint: nothing)
just like in every other instance of imperial king-making, the US, in its foreign policy, is explicitly anti-democratic. the LAST thing overlords want is the people to have a voice. no, the people will shut their mouths as their countries are put under the yolk of US corporate occupation in the guise of "democracy"....
how many elections does the US have to negatively influence? how many coops fomented? how many assassinations? how many internal deliberations must we butt into before we start to understand (present company excluded) that our foreign policy is NOT based on creating democracy, but on the flip--stifling freedom of the people.
I recall Rummy, the Generals, bush-lite, cheney and others indicate in the past that
when the Goverment of Iraq no longer required, needed or wanted our assistance, then and only then would our troops be re-deployed. Does or does not Maliki speak for " the people
of Iraq" as their Prime Minister??? If so, then it seems evident to me that WE no longer
need to be in his/their country since he can find other friends, and we should immediately
begin down-sizing our military personnal in that country and bring them home.
I concur, however, with others above...i.e...bush-lite with speak to Maliki about these
statements and Maliki will do a 180 degree turn-around and he will indicate that our
troops and support is needed not only now, but in the very, very long term future.
Dr. Matt @ 10:
That was my first thought too while reading the article. But is anyone really surprised? This admin has put us in a thankless situation. In the end it's 'damned if we do and damned if we don't.' The thing is that we should not have damned started it in the first place!
OMG, Pinocchio came to life and is now trying to give Bush the proverbial finger. You know however that George will never leave until his band of rogues gets their hands on the oil, the black gold, for which they thirst and for which our troops and the Iraqi people have died. The sweet emll of democracy covers all of our lands.
Jonathon @ 25:
You obviously missed the whole 8-year Iran-Iraq war, and you must be really fucking dumb to think that the US went to Iraq in order to bring democracy or because Saddam was a "bad guy."
Petulant, intellectually lazy, with no historical background, and with a short term memory only rivaled by a gold fish. You must be indeed an American.
Seele^ @ 33:
Damn! GREAT idea!
Methinks I hear a squeaking rat who's been hung out to dry. Poor Al-Maliki, fucked by Bush just like everyone else.
MeMyselfAndI @ 55:
Oooh! SNAP!!
I bet that stung.
Al-Maliki is (of course) a neo-con puppet. (obvious to MOST people here, but not all!)
Neo-cons have no friends, ...therefore Al-Maliki has no friends.
The civil war in Iraq is not Sunni vs. Shiite!
It is a war between Iraqi people who know the truth...
vs. Iraqi people who support Al-Maliki!
"We are all - Iraq, Syria, Iran, Turkey and the other Arab countries neighbouring Iraq - concerned with controlling security, with stability and with protecting the region from rifts "
Nouri Maliki
No timetables . . . No wonder Bush likes him.
Gee Al, Are you telling us to take our marbles and go home???
Hey, that works for me.... Start lining up the C-5's an 141's General P.... Let's do what the Iraqies want us to do... Let's clear out and let them deal with this mess... We might have created it, but's starting to sound like they'd just as soon fix it themselves... After watching Chimpy fuck up this little fascist wet dream for four years, I can't blame them....
We never should have been there under these circumstances..
Bush et al should be impeached for doing this this insane act of aggression..........Actually there is a laundry list of reasons for impeaching that sonofabitch.... This is just one of them....JD
Hillary Clinton is now calling for the ouster of Malaki. Guess she missed the part where he was elected by the Iraqi people.
pissed off patricia @ 63:
Good point POP....Wish it was that simple...if it were, could we use same tactic/procedure
to displace bush-lite?
The Prime Minister is correct. Actually, we had NO RIGHT to go into Iraq to begin with, let alone set up shop there and start dictating to them how things are to be run. With all due respect for our soldiers who were lured via LIES AND PROPAGANDA and subsequently gave their lives for nothing more than the academic ambitions of this bush administration, we indeed have NO RIGHT to tell this government what to do... and THAT is the real tragedy here.
Rick @ 65:
The pursuit of Iraq's oil revenue is not merely an abstract academic endeavor.
It is real blood for real oil.
i don't think maliki realizes that he is the expendable one.
we have our imperial talons in iraq, and NO "democratically elected" leader will dictate terms to the corporations (see, owners of iraq).
and we can "pull the troops out" but then there are the 150k + contractors, mercenaries and war profiteers still there. and this burgeoning industry--the war profiteer/SOF industry--will be used more and more if politicians try to reduce our pro-consular-esque stance across the globe.
post wwII we have entered a new age. at least now more people are seeing what we have evolved into and are recoiling at the sight.
pissed off patricia @ 63:
this is the outlandish disconnect i was referring to earlier up in the thread.
our "leaders" can't even keep track of the talking points from day to day. and the MSM never calls them on the hypocrisy
pissed off patricia @ 63:
I've looked all over the web for confirmation of this and haven't been able to find any. Can you provide a link to a credible source on Hillary's statement?
soothsayer @ 7:
Just like when Bush looked into Putin's soul an saw a good man. The dumbest "World Leader" on the planet is ours. They know dealing with Bush is like taking candy from a baby.
Is the honeymoon over?
Rasputin @ 69:
start the search in the speech where she claims of the successes of the iraqi surge, maybe it is in there?
PopeTodd @ 12:
What US city's bridge will be the last to collapse, levee to burst, steam pipe to explode, power grid to shut down, for Bush to spend trillions of our tax dollars in Iraq?
Let's do a little historical(hystercial) study of the current governmental problems in Iraq.
We should not forget that bush appointed Paul Bremer to be the head of the CPA(Coalition
Provisional Authority) in Iraq in early May 03...and individual who had no experience in
either the military or setting up a government/democracy..and he remained in that position
until June 28, 04. Enough time for him to screw things up worst than should have occurred
had Bremmer's predecesor(Jay Garner) been allowed to continue as the CPA. Just one
of Bremer's major mistakes was the disbanning of the former Iraq Army..and then, at the
direction of bush-lite, attempting to set up a democracy within that religiously torn country.
He(Bremer) is one of the primary reason the existing political strive exists between the
Sunnis, Kurds and Shiites, for he failed miserable; yet do remember also that upon Bremer's
return to the States, bush-lite awarded him with the Presidental Medal of Freedom...a JOKE.
Anyone interested in the background and "distinguished"(ha-ha) record of Bremer should
"Wikipedia" his name and see for yourself what a failure he was in trying to establish a
true democracy in Iraq....resulting in the Maliki's of today and the continue turmoil in
that country.
C'mon guys, our troops aren't coming home. Didn't ya hear the Chimpster say (for the zillionth time) that we can't leave until the job is done?! Whatever TF "the job" is!
Samson- @ 67:
I like the way you say, "...evolved into". It's exactly was I've been thinking lately. After WW II, the USA were knights in white armour, now the USA is... well we've all seen (pretty f#$king disgusting).
Doggiebobo -- Bremer's "qualification" was having worked for the Kissinger Institute. It didn't matter that General Jay Garner was a middle east historian; it mattered that he wouldn't go along with the neoCONS and their sordid "plan" for Iraq.
PopeTodd @ 21:
Whose going to make us leave? The Iraqi Army? The first order of business was to dismantle them remember?
Leaving. Was. Never. Part Of. The. Plan.
Doggiebobo @ 74:
you are 110% correct in that jerry paul was horrendous for iraq and the poor iraqi people.
but you would be incorrect to think that he did not accomplish exactly what he was sent to do. no, his masters got exactly what they wanted out of this puppet. and, in return, he was rewarded. done and done.
I'm with Liberal and Proud. We can start the pullout today and Iraq can join with their friends. Sounds good to me.
Rasputin @ 69:
One minute Hillary is saying the surge is working and the next she is calling for the outing or a democratically elected head of state who isn't dancing to our tune. Sounds like Republican Lite to me.
To bad Kucinch doesn't stand a chance.
whelp, i feel quite comfortable with the notion that if the head of the democratically elected government of iraq, mr. maliki, would rather have bashir assad as a pal than us, we should take our ball and go home.
now...any bookies taking bets on how many hours maliki will stay in office once our ball's off the playing field? i'll take 5.
You think Bush and Cheney have "invested" a trillion of OUR tax dollars so that THEY to rake in the projected returns only to leave now because the Iraqis want us to?
Hardy har har! To quote Bush 41: "Ain't gonna happen"
Ruthless People @ 83:
Wouldn't be PRUDENT.
Ruthless People @ 78:
Of course not!
Even if Bush did say:
He did not say who he expected would emerge victorious. But asked if, as a matter of principle, the United States would pull out of Iraq at the request of a new government, he said: "Absolutely. This is a sovereign government. They're on their feet."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/28/politics/28prexy.html?ex=1264654800&en...
sassafra @ 82:
the real bet is how much longer maliki will stay in power with "our ball" STILL on "the playing field".
i imagine, for maliki's survival (both politically and metaphysically), he feels he NEEDS to reach out to syria and iran. god knows we will have him "removed", democratic election or not.
maliki is but a speed bump on the way to a mass resource grab on the part of the mega-multinationals. he can play ball with the corporate masters, or he can "retire"
Ruthless People @ 81:
Here's the rub... Clinton has said that "aspects of the surge are working" but over-all it isn't because while some provinces have had a drop in violence, the surge was supposed to create a calm climate where the iraqis could begin to have political reconciliation... which hasn't happened.
The rethug machine has pulled her comment out of context to validate Bush's position and Clinton has issued a statement regarding the misquote.
Further... she has said that Maliki, in her opinion was not committed to reconciliation of the factions, but as far as I can tell right now... she never said that she felt he should be ousted.
Personally, I don't support Clinton, but I won't put words in her mouth and neither should you.
Liberal AND Proud @ 2:
You almost sound like you are there at the Iraqi's invitation, or insistence. You never should have sent your men and women there in the first place. There would have been more Iraqis and Americans than there are now, and the Iraqis would still have water electricity, housing and they wouldn't be glowing in the dark from all that radiation left from the depleted uranium.
Rasputin @ 87:
yet, it is just pure--white as snow--political triangulation.
she can now claim to "for" the surge if the political winds blow that way. while, at the same time, be "against" the surge. these DLC'ers are no fools.
and, as far as using her words out of context, i can imagine she is ok with that. she, IMHO, thinks she is getting the dem nomination and is, thus, working on maneuvering for the general election. where she can start to fudge (like many other things) her position, again, depending on the political winds (not to over use that cliche, it is just so fitting with 21st century hillary)
nonbeliever @ 80:
What friends? You mean the friends that haven't bombed them back to the stone age? That would be everyone except you, the USA. Russia and China could be their new friends. How many American lives would have been wasted for someone elses gain?
el kanuckistani @ 90:
Less than will be wasted if we stay.
The lives are wasted regardless, our presence makes things worse and the longer we stay the worse it will get.
As for China/Russia, too late. They are already better friends than we are. They didn't invade.
Allawi and Chalabi are licking their lips right about now
jr @ 92:
Yeah, how true...and O'Liely, Hannity,Gibson, Hummmm et.al. at Faux Noise are
licking bush-lite's asshole at the same time.
Now there is that "Ally" Bush and the Neo Cons made ! Iraq will be a strong Ally.
Until, " they find friends elsewhere ". At least we knew Saddam was an enemy and we could control and minimize him. So we might end up with another Pakistan? A ally as long as we give its leader welfare, Though that only buys us the right to use the term, "ally" only. Not the actual supporting each other or sticking by one another.
Robt @ 94:
Instead of ally, maybe the term "coalition" is more appropriate. You know, like the
"strong coalition" that initially participated in the invasion of Iraq...75K US troops, 1,500
UK troops, 14 from Spain, 47 from Italy, 58 from Germany, 2 from Luxenburg, 4 from Holland,
12 from Sweden, 72 from Canada, 1 from Bulgaria, etc. etc. etc.....
What's amazing the main stream media infotainers can sit there with a straight face , and quote any idiot who calls for Al - Malaki's removal or if he doesn't jump high enough, they'll cut off funding . Not pointing out the obvious he was so called democratically elected , while we had those purple fingers shoved up are collective asses daily, reminding us Emperor Caesar " liberated Iraq " and brought democracy . Ok fine , then what the hell is anybody demanding his ouster and the infotainers never confronting these phony politicians who bragged Iraq has a democracy now . The media ignored the rigged process , and the heavy influence and control of their so called election , pretend it was a real illegitimate election, and ballyhooed the purple finger .
It would be nice to hear somebody on cable infotainer shows, hey it's all rigged Al Maliki is a puppet and while the U.S. pretends they have a democracy, it's a puppet government , that has to do what all U.S. puppet governments have to do, mortgage their OIL INCOME to U.S. corporations , sell off their once state owned industries to U.S. / British/ Israeli Businesses, except the high tech surveillance Embassy, base for the occupation of not just Iraq , but the entire Middle East and while over 50,000 oil workers go on STRIKE , resisting the destruction of the once independent Iraqi owned Oil Industry , while Union leaders are being arrested and murdered , and that the OIL ISSUE is the number one reason why Iraqis think the U.S. is occupying Iraq,.. we get phony arguments between Begala and JC WATTs on blitzers speculation room , driving what's left of real news into some Fellini Circus show.
Michael Ware got over blown attention for the civil war assertion , and now he said just a few secs. ago, (because an Iraqi politician complained about NOT having full democracy),Ware asserts that " Iraqis shouldn't expect full democracy, because of 160,000 americans fighting FOR THEM " .
First of all , it's all lies, and he should know as much as anybody, the occupation of iraq is going to happen no matter WHO is the president of Iraq and you don't even have to read PNAC's plan that cheney and the rest of the neocons came up with to use Iraq, as a launching point or "lilly pad" to jump to any country in the middle east, they have declared a problem . Ware can see for himself the massive U.S. military airports and Embassy .
So blaming the victim, (Iraq) and or Al Malaki who obviously ain't no saint , and pretending the U.S. is just there to help the poor Iraqis , is the obscene message CNN, Cable and the Pentagon push every day and the other OBVIOUS point is the Iraqi people didn't ask for a U.S. military occupation, PLEASE COME TO MY COUNTRY, BREAK DOWN MY DOOR, ARREST MY BROTHER. Take our palaces, make your Head Quarters out of them and while you're at it, swim in the palace pools and play basketball in the palace , drinking beer . Take 144 acres of land JUST for your Embassy , and more for the other 14 BASES . Come change our oil laws so that American Oil Companies can buy up our oil Industry.
Michael Ware is a propagandist, that always leaves out the big picture, repeats the same straw man arguments , " Al Malaki needs to get his act together " " aid might be cut " "they should expect less sovereignty " and how often does he utter the words OCCUPATION and connect the obvious dots..Humans don't like to be occupied , don't like foreigners running up and down THEIR streets in tanks and have and will ALWAYS RESIST . ALWAYS RESIST .
Don't point out the REAL TRUTH , it might shine a light on the immorality of U.S. foreign policy .
el kanuckistani @ 90:
The question is how many more American lives are you willing to waste for someone else's gain? If you think our troops are over there protecting the interests of the average American citizen, then you're mistaken.
Well, up until now, the Iraqi government hasn't been able to stand up on it's own. Bush has squandered our resources on people have not been able to secure this country since the day they've been elected to office. Maliki's statements show a hell of a lot of nerve after all of the troops who've died as a result of the lies that led to this war in the first place.
Sam,
there are other things. But lets not leave out the War Profiteering and the General Dynamic corporation's return to investors. Not to exclude all the jobs Blackwater has created in all this.
Iraq PM..dude best be lookin for those new friends. Stat.
Samson- @ 89:
Hillary Sandbags the Anti-war Movement
Just to highlight the damage Hillary has done with her contextual nuancing on the surge
el kanuckistani @ 90:
there's no reason to stay when we're there because of cheney's insistent lies and the cowardice of congress in not asking for truth before endorsing war and shredding the COTUS. Every life lost was wasted. Even in Afghanistan. They did all this with lies as a basis.
One thing about al-Maliki that we can be certain about: His five o'clock shadow shows up about an hour before noon.
I really get pissed every time I hear anyone blaming the Iraqi government for this mess because they haven't stepped up.
As I recall, they didn't ask us to invade their country; they weren't begging us to remove Sadaam from power; and they sure as hell didn't ask us to destroy the infrastructure of their entire country! Bush and his neo-con friends made that decision for them.
Now things aren't working out like our 'leaders' would like, and we get upset with the Iraqi government because they can't seem to straighten out the total mess WE created??????????
What's wrong with this picture people?
As far as I'm concerned, their government can do what they want.........just don't get upset if they don't do what we think they should be doing!
GW made a colossal foreign policy blunder; he tried to export democracy to Iraq and it has failed miserably; it's long past the time to cut our losses and move on. Iraq will evolve however it evolves. It's not our issue, and never should have been!
BaScOmBe @ 101:
As I said... I'm not a Clinton supporter, but I wanted to hear the full context of what she had said. The NYT reprinted her remarks and they weren't that the "surge is working."
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/21/us/politics/21vets.html?ref=washington
I don't like Clinton's "triangulation" bull shit either, but she didn't give a blanket approval to the surge and she still called for the troops to be brought home.
Robert @ 26:
he he
the reality is the iraqys are never going to kiss americans ass and completly bow down to the bush cheny thugs, and any iraqy that does colaborate will be delt with harshly, as traitors , if we stay there two weeks or ten yrs the minute we leave will be getting even time, i would feel the same way if my country was invaded by any other country , would i kill the invaders ? in a heart beat, maby some day we can get our even ups with the traitors who stoled our country, and id have no mercy for them !
BaScOmBe @ 102:
Here's a video of O'Reilly interviewing Bill Maher where Maher advances the same position that Hillary did, but in more casual terms... he also points that Edwards is the best Dem candidate based on issue positions (something the I agree with.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qsMs1pdFPI&eurl=
I for one am OK with him talking to Syria, and Iran. If he doesn't get it together soon, they will come in anyway, especially if we hit the Revolutionary Guard. I also agree we should not set deadlines. We should try again to get a UN backed massive multi national force on the ground to secure the streets. The US military can serve no further useful purpose there. As long as we are there, there can be no peace. We ARE the problem.
But I'm sure the IOC's and Bushco are not happy with this statement. Iraq is totally out of our control. That occurred when Jerry Bremer stepped in. The nocons have lost this war, and it's not in our control to clean it up. And the Saudis are laughing up their sleeves.
Sam @ 98:
Do you have ANY idea how dumb that sounded?
He showed some balls. What's wrong, does that threaten you or something?
BaScOmBe @ 102:
Hey, this is about Maliki idiot.
Let him get other friends. He is a mess. Wonder how much of the lost money he's got?
The Dawa Party blasts the American Embassy in Kuwait. Oh, wait that was 1983.
Hillary Clinton is now calling for the ouster of Malaki. Guess she missed the part where he was elected by the Iraqi people.
Well, sort of. If you remember what was happening back then. So much happening, so hard to remember it all.
Summary from wikipedia:
In the national election of December 2005, the UIA once again won the majority of the votes, which according the new Iraqi constitution, gets to pick the Prime Minister. UIA members voted for the Prime Minister with only two main candidates. Al-Jaafari was one and the SCIRI member Adel Abdul Mahdi, a secular economist. Jaafari won the vote only by one (64 - 63). His win was credited to the support of Muqtada Al Sadr's members of UIA, who all voted for him. [5]
Despite this win, however, he became increasingly associated with the failure to end the violence in Iraq and to improve services. Because of this, the Sunni, Kurdish and secular groups in the parliament refused to agree to him continuing as Prime Minister, leading to deadlock. His refusal to stand down began to alienate even those who had backed him up to that point, but it is believed that only when Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani intervened that he finally stepped down.[6] The US government had expressed dissatisfaction with him in two months earlier, with George W. Bush stating that he "doesn't want, doesn't support, doesn't accept" his retention as Prime Minister.[7]
He was succeeded by al-Maliki as Dawa Party secretary-general in May 2007. [8]
Let's make sure we don't allow them to continue with their alternate reality.
Liberal AND Proud @ 2:
Seemed to have worked for former British colonies.
A brutal insurgency to break free of the imperial grip.
And you know what happened, after the British left, there was sectarian violence.
Can you imagine which country I am talking about?
*sniff sniff*
I smell smokescreen.
I think he's right. He can find better friends elsewhere, including at the UN. Al-Maliki needs to tell the US to get out, lock, stock and barrel, including expelling the diplomatic mission (which looks to be attempting to establish itself as a shadow government). He needs to do that at a session of the UN. When the US refuses, which it will, it will be clear to the world that our only intent is colonizing Iraq in order to control or seize their natural assets. All pretenses to the otherwise will be pierced. At that point, the US will have a choice to make. Bush will make the wrong choice, of course, and the world community will have grounds to exert its united will in compelling the US to cease its rogue activities. Sanctions, embargoes, whatever is their will.
Rasputin @ 69:
I happened to run across it here: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CLINTON_MALIKI?SITE=DCUSN&SECTION...
Zog The Obvious @ 117:
And I hear Dark Side of the Moon, and see a lava lamp.
BaScOmBe @ 103:
The point is, you as a country, took a functioning country (run by a dictator kept in place for many years, by your governments) and bombed the hell out of it. Whether or not you bought the lies you were fed, you as a people are responsible for that and you should feel some responsibility to the Iraqi people to restore what you have broken. Don't like the idea of Americans losing their lives in foreign countries, don't invade and destroy. If your claim that the Marshall Plan rebuilt the world after WWII is right, at least put in place a plan to rebuild Iraq so the Iraqis quit dying because of American oil needs and Israel's security. You broke it, you fix it.
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