Meet The Press: A Pissy Mary Matalin Throws Her Pen When Punked By Shrum
By Logan Murphy Saturday Sep 01, 2007 11:01am
(thanks to Scarce for pictures) On this morning's Meet The Press, Senior Cheney apologist and right wing sniper, Mary Matalin, threw a little hissy fit at Bob Shrum on the issue of Iraq and the upcoming presidential election. As Shrum continually smacks down her spin, Matalin becomes increasingly perturbed and at the end of the segment as Mike Murphy was getting in some right wing spin of his own, she chucks her pen across the table in front of him, noticeably drawing his attention and making a loud noise as it bounced across the table and onto the floor.
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The strain of an imploding Republican Party is have an obvious effect. The quote below is what set her off, and whether you agree with Shrum 100% on it or not, he smacked her down and pushed her over the edge.
Matalin: "There's only 25% of the Democrats think that we should immediately withdraw."
Shrum: "I didn't say immediately withdraw. That's another - now that's another - that's a perfect Cheneyism. I didn't say immediately withdraw, I said they thought we should withdraw over a year to year and a half."
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Carville is looking increasingly skeletor-like.
didn't she throw something at Carville too.....they've been spinning for so long now...It would appear that their spinning out.......no wonder.
She's pissed because her wig was screwed up and she couldn't shake her head in denial without losing it.
littlebear @ 1:
I think we should be saying "Craig" now, since Frist is gone so long and we have a new idiot.
I'm not sure how she can stand herself anymore. Gave up on Carville a long time ago....
chlorocardium @ 6:
Same here.
The Democrats will include and trust Carville at their peril. Mary "Maudlin" Carville is as evil as that bastard Cheney and he slithers into bed with that each night.
►Runs-With-Dog◄ @ 5:
But Craig doesn't sound like 'first'
Take the brat's pen's away. She'll put someone's eye out. This is why you can't have nice things, Republicans.
How lame do you have to be to get punked by 0 for 8 Bob Shrum?
Is that the first thing he's ever won?
i have seen her go unchallenged for far too long and it is good to see her spin given a truthful responce. and on a more personal note, even with her mega makeover and new stylist work, she is hard on the eyeys and continues to be harder on the ears. her reaction is rught in line with all the other childish characteristics of a right wing nut repube. act all offended when questioned, talk over and not too other people, and throw a hissy fit when you cant spin freely. the act is getting old and seems so desperate in these trying times.
Heretic @ 10:
Better yet - let's give her a pair of scissors and tell here to run as fast as she can, entering her in the SCISSORS SPRINT at the next OLYMPICS!
I don't know why really... In spite of her overall "cruella" personality.... I'd still Hit that...
Did anybody notice the rock on her finger......she's not hurtin...unlike many in this country.
clydesalerno @ 14:
you need to get out more........that made me ill.
Goodness - both she and Carville are looking bad - really.
And her tone of voice is exhausted as if even she cannot say it anymore. We must challenge her absolute untruth over and over again. Don't you wonder what those two talk about? I mean - do either of them have anything except numbers to spit out anymore. Those numbers -are lies - but people like numbers and feel that if you have a percentage and the letters GAO attached, it must be real.
I just feel bad for the children.
Bluesage @ 8:
Reminds one of the movie titled "Sleeping With The Enemy".
Mary one must remember is the original author of most of the RNC "talking points" and can't seem to come up with anything new so the repeat,repeat,repeat and then repeat again,again,again,and again is now the standardized "MO".
clydesalerno @ 14:
Clyde, you must be desperate!! eewwwwwwww
Stick her in the corner for a little "time out". Carville looks like Michael Chertoff's twin.
I'm sooo glad she's not on our side. Whew. Carville actually looked embarrassed.
Kabuki.
meet the press
Another Sunday morning circle jerk.
Another round of chuckles and tee-hees.
Sunday brunch and mimosas for everyone.
Who cares what any one of those people say or think?
Scratch that last- none of them actually think.
stupid to emphasize the pen throw....please emphasize the issues....
Kiva,
You're right.
Obviously, she has issues.
Why do right-wingers behave like such children?
It's hard when you want to have more wars and nobody wants to play.
And clydesalerno? Wash your pants out with soap, you ain't right.
Anyone else think that the world would be a much, much better place if every one in that room was vaporized instantly?
I mean really... Who needs these yapping ninnies and their ceaseless bullshit?
This "panel" is so fake--1) there is no objectivity, 2) there is a clear conflict of interest and 3) it is all spin on the part of Matalin and Murphy.
Russert and his equally, hideous wife, Maureen Orth and the Carville's are very, very close friends. They spend a lot of time together. (Quite frankly, they all deserve each other). There was no objectivity on the part of Russert and Carvilles.
Matalin spun like a spider and it is always, the same-old, same-old bs we have heard since 9/11. Until she married Carville, she didn't have a pot to pee in or the window to toss it from. Those hair extensions and her makeup make her look very hard and trampy--she thinks the jewelry makes her look "classy". Notice other people on panel discussions who talk with their hands--they keep their jewelry to a minimum. Only an individual who has never had anything would wear it all at once. Matalin is trying to call attention to herself and she is doing a good job of it but she looks like she belongs in a casket.
She wants us to think she has class--she has none. She is a witch--she should go back to being a hairdresser.
Matalin/Carville stand for absolutely nothing but making money. If they actually believed anything they say, they couldn't be married to each other. They are personal friends of Russerts and he has absolutely no shame in having them on time and time again. What a waste of time!!
Then pen slipped ... just like the GOP's grip on power.
I wonder which is having more of a real affect on the war in Iraq; throwing a pen across a table on Meet the Press or sending in more troops to Iraq to clear the way for a rosey speech in September?
I have to give Matalin some credit. It takes a certain type of person to go out there day after day and defend the criminal or even incompetent decisions/actions of the Bush Administration. I'm just thankful that I am not that type of person. I can not see myself stooping so low to ever defend that Administration.
Joe O. @ 35:
It takes a certain type of person to stuff a bunch of cats into a burlap sack and throw it in the river too, but i am just as unwilling to give any credit there either.
Carville and Matalin look like the living dead. Cast them in "28 Days Later"
Queen Hagatha, Mistress of Spin
In a fit of pique, did hurl a pen
Quite punked by Shrum
Now watch her become
Neocon Lot-Lizard times ten!
all four of them are fake, its just more transparent with matalin.
Timmeh's puppet show has become such garbage, the last time an original idea was aired on there was when?
In contrast to Timmeh's kabuki/puppet show, I'd recommend old school sesame street - the puppets are well behaved, the little people watching probably behave well, and the show is actually educational. Thank god for C&L so I don't waste electricity and $ on a teevee.
Now just a minute, 75% of Americans want us out NOW so supposedly only 25% of that number are Democrats? Where is her math coming from, oh maybe that is Rove's math to predict the 2006 election.
xoites defends Constitution @ 36:
That is true. I was trying to find something nice to say about Matalin and thats about the best that I could come up with. Its hard to say something nice about someone like Matalin when they grovel and defend the very Administratioin that commits such crimes. Even if one where to have full faith in that Administration (I.E. Matalin) it certainly must be difficult to overlook the bold faced incomptence that is on display. How anyone can continue to defend that Administration is beyond me.
One Year Wonder,
LOL!
I think Oscar would be a great Robert Novak.
And then they laugh like its a goddamn school prank. You can bet dollars to donuts that if the tables had been turned she'd be talking about a lawsuit for assault by now. Thats how these right-wing turd bags operate. Nice "hosting" job Timmy. Take control of your "guests".
Jesus Christ, I'm so glad I don't watch all of these fuggin' shows. Thanks for bringing this to my attention, C&L.
Does she really think it's neccessary to use the sarcastic hand gestures at every opportunity? Carville must be living in hell (his own choice) having to put up with that on a daily basis. I find her impossible to take in a 2 minute clip. Physical appearances are one thing, being talked down to for just having a different opinion would drive me crazy. I doubt if the person you see on TV is different than the one you would encounter when the camera is off.
classy
The following is everything i have to say that is nice about Mary Matalin:
I think we just found our next ambassador to the UN.
She's got class!
uncle joe mccarthy @ 48:
awesome joe
Immediate withdrawal is the Republicans favorite spin. The withdrawal from Vietnam took years, it wasn't immediate. Only a minority of Democrats are proposing immediate withdrawal. Even if we decided to bring all of our troops home tomorrow, it would take a couple of years to get them all out. We couldn't just disappear overnight.
Republican talking points don't stand up well under scrutiny. I've noticed that Republicans tend to get the last word on many talk shows and that's when they squeeze in their most ridiculous spin.
xoites defends Constitution @ 47:
:lol: I have to agree with that statement.
Shrum should use the video to sue the bitch for assult. She could have hit him in the eye permanently damaging his vision. Typical of a neocon. When you don't get your way, throw a fit and act completely childish. What an example she is for her own children. I would hope that family services in DC would take note of this behavior.
Your statement gave new meaning to the term Gag reflex Joe.
I wonder. Did Matalin hold her breath like a child or start to pout afterwards?
Sorry, but I just don't buy that a couple can have such diametrically opposed views on politics and be married. James can be entertaining, but I no longer trust him. How the hell can you be married to that she beast and pig and be trusted by the Dems? And after the Scooter letter, I wouldn't tell him anything I didn't want to get into the other camp. It would be one thing if she were merely an enlightened Republican, but she's in the Cheney and neocon camp. These are not differences around the edges, and how either of them can stand the sight of the other, buggers belief if either of them are sincere.
How typical.....a reich-winger throwing a hissy fit. No big surprise.
These people are all buddies who posture and preen and spout BS for the camera for a living, then laugh it up with each other at cocktail parties. The whole "profession" of punditocracy is useless and needs to be eliminated.
I agree bachrub. This is staged. They rehearse it the night before. She practices throwing the pen several times to get the right affect. They even have a director that yells "action" at the start of MTP.
I sure hope there is PMS and that is not Mary Matalin's personality.
But if it is her personality no one deserves her more than James Carville.
bachrub @ 55:
Isn't the old saying, "Keep your friends close but keep your ememies closer"?
As a matter of fact, those two are so fake they're starting to remind me of Jim and Tammy Faye Baker.
the visuals were equally bad as the audios with this group, I could only take a few minutes of this crap.
Fox news sunday actually beat out MTP this morning on sophistication and journalism.
What's the world coming to?
bachrub @ 55:
I would say they're not so diametrically opposed in their views. He's a conservative Dem, so he's not that far from Matalin in viewpoint. Remember, this is US politics, which Gore Vidal so well summarized as having one dominant with two wings: reactionary and conservative.
Myself, I'm a social democrat. THAT's a long way from Matalin's viewpoint (and Carville's). That could be described as diametrically opposed to the Matalin perspective.
She wasn't 'punked' she was 'pwned'! :))
s/b "one dominant PARTY with two wings" in comment 64
I stopped watching Meet the Press months ago after years of watching it faithfully at 7:00 am each Sunday morning. Mr. Russert has the same "panel" of guests over and over again. The only guests he seems to actually question until they answer the actual question are liberals (those that don't toe the Bush Administration line). He always give Vice President Cheney and other theocratic fascists a pass on their lies and his is way to much of a brown noser.
I also don't turn on Fox News Sunday anymore at 8:00 am after Mr. Wallace decided to call out Mr. Moyers about a statement Mr. Moyers made about Mr. Rove's true stance on religion.
It is just the same old crap week after week and nothing is really being said.
The Repugnantcans have lied so much for so long that no one with half a brain believes what they have to say anymore. The old immediate withdrawl claim trick. Remember the Murtha withdrawl call a few years back? and the Republican vote on whether or not to withdraw immediately when Murtha was calling for a staged re-deployment? Matalin is still using that ploy, only now someone called her on her crap. Poor Mary, I feel her pain... What is a spin meister to do when nobody believes the spin anymore?
Mary is all about normal people, normal voters like she thinks she is channeling the popular spirit are normal people the new silent majority or imaginary majority. Given her anger level I'm thinking botox is the only thing keeping her face from a permanet frown.
One big circle jerk - that's all this is. You've got two actual reichwingers (Matalin and Murphy) vs two closet reichwingers (Carville and Shrum). Nobody punked anybody. It all went according to script. Memo to Shrum - I really do think the percentage of REAL Democrats who want us out of Iraq NOW is higher than 25%.
ghostofstanleyknowles @ 64:
I like Carville but he's from the Old Weird Harold/DLC wing of the Democratic party. They had a point when the country was moving to the right. But that time has passed, and the country is moving to the left now.
He's much better in book form, more liberal and funnier than he is on TV.
mariposa @ 2:
Increasingly? Hell, just give the guy a scythe and get it over with.
Mary and James have always put me in mind of the old 'Aristocrats' joke. Wonder if they were the inspiration?
Mary puts the Bitch in "Rich Bitch".
It's hilarious to watch her talk about the mainstream heartland voter like she has any clue pontificating from her throne in the Beltway.
Mary backing lazy Freddie. Why am I not surprised. At least her horse will go out early so we shouldn't have to listen to her too long in the coming election season.
Even "immediate withdrawal" will take 18 months. Anybody who's not talking out their ass for Bush knows that. Actually the ass talkers know it too, they just want to make anybody who's sick of this BS look unpatriotic. It's terminally lame.
Matalin is pretty scary. That mouth....yikes. It's like that thing they do on Conan where he talks to pictures of celebs and they patch in the human mouth.
ITMFA
Bluesage @ 8:
He was wrong about last year's congressional elections--told Emmanuel to close the campaign by having all the Dem candidates say "it's time to work with the Repubs."
He also leaked info. from the Kerry campaign to the Bushies.
Carville should never be trusted.
Where is Mary getting these lame talking points? She has to go on more talk shows! She just made Bob look strong and insightful. Her lack of control throwing the pencil says she is stressed I'm guessing she can't reconcile the idea that her beliefs and the voters beliefs are in conflict. She needs popularity to vindicate her ideas. What happens to a groupthinkers when the group they joined to become popular becomes unpopular?
Bush Bites @ 76:
Aren't these DLC types a wonder? After the Dems get kicked in the teeth by Repugs for years, the DLC folks still say Dems should work with Repugs in the spirit of unity. In other words, give your mugger a great big hug and a ride home.
Bush Bites @ 76:
Mary must have some . . .ahem, hidden talents. Carville used to be much better but she has him whipped now.
I think I know what Matalin's problem is. Her massive, Bush Administration inspired, ultra patriotic, "we are unbeatable" beliefs have and continue to be shattered everyday in Iraq. Every prediction the Neocons gave to the American public has been totally wrong. Every "strategy" the Administration comes up with continues to be outmatched. There is a reason why they say criticism of Bush's strategies sends signals to the militants in Iraq. That criticism always points to the Bush Administration's gross incompetence, unwise decisions, and criminal acts. People like Matalin, with their super patriotic egos do not want to admit that they are in fact the problem. People like Matalin continue to have thier super egos slapped around while the U.S. troops pay the ultimate price for her arrogance.
carville's her colmes
by the by... I dare say Mary's "poke your eye out moment" will be the talk of cable TV for at least one new cycle. That would normally be 24 hours, but because it's Sunday we'll have to wait until Monday to "beat the press".
Carvelle must have been really hard up to get tied to that wacko reichwinger.
I alsolutely hate it when these bastards all sit around laughing and carousing while our troops are dying.
Ho Ho GHWBUSH fired her ugly puss.
Punkinhead is the biggest moron. Anyone notice he kind of looks like Eric Cartman?
I always miss the good stuff. Ah! the Scum suckers are coming apart at the seams, even the FREAK gutless,spineless,Coward and Traitor cheney has no effect hahahahahahaha!
She throws pens, others threaten with violence...the GOP are throwing one last giant hissy fit before they go to time out for eight or so years.
I think a week in the Buckeye Kinsman neighborhood of Cleveland Ohio will straighten her ass out. Stupid Beltway republicans, playing their fiddle while Rome burns.
It's so funny to see Carville inconspicuously slide his pen and paper away from her. It's as if he sensed she was going to blow a gasket.
BTW - Hitchens is live on CSpan 2 (Book TV) for another hour.
James Carville and Mary Matalin are a very scary team. They play both sides of the fence and have contributed mightily to the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton grip on American politics. They are very tight with Russert, whose son is a partner with Carville. The Matalin and Russert relationship was behind the Scooter Libby claim of Russert's involvement in Plamegate, but Matalin failed to deliver her buddy to Libby's aid.
Also, remember the testimony of the former Vice-Presidential communications director Cathie Martin during the Libby trial, who noted that she often suggested that Vice-President Dick Cheney go on "Meet The Press" to "control the message," again a Matalin connnection.
Bob Woodward in "State of Denial" (page 344) wrote about a Matalin-Carville conspiracy to thwart Kerry's challenge of 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio in the 2006 presidential election, a number sufficient to give Kerry Ohio, its electoral votes and the presidency. Kerry was organizing to go to Ohio and mount a fight. But, according to Woodward, James Carville called wife, Mary Matalin at the White House with Bush. "Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.' "Matalin went to Cheney to report...You better tell the President Cheney told her."
Matalin then tells Bush that "somebody in authority needed to get in touch with J. Kenneth Blackwell, the Republican Secretary of State in Ohio who would be in charge of any challenge to the provisional votes." Blackwell is recruited to aid the president, and Bush keeps Ohio and the presidency.
The Matalin-Carville-Russert link is troubling. The Matalin-Bush/Carville-Clinton ties are frigthening. There is a Washington Establishment that runs the nation, irrespective of who the president is and Matalin and Carville are two of its agents.
It was interesting that they let Mary slide on the "Thompson is a two term Senator" thing. He is not -- he was elected to fill the last two years of Gore's term, and then re-elected for one full term. That makes him a "one and a third" Senator.
Mary tossing her pen in frustration is a typical childish response of not being listened to as if she was the sole authority. She chose her partisan side and sticks with it to the losing end. That is frustrating. It is so Bush-onian. It is the essence of stay the course. The CEO that runs his company into the ground and knows he himself is safe in his rewards for what ever he does to the company.
Mary Matilan should realize that she is not Pat Robertson speaking to her sheep. The fact is that the media has a crony base of "so called experts" that they continually bring on their show and say the same things. Matilan, Coulter, Hannity, etc. You know they are going to repeat the same old carp that the White House Press Sec released prior. You don't even have to listen and watch them anymore. They have become that predictable.
We know what the President is going to say about Iraq because we know what he wants and if that means cherry picking the facts or filtering the reports himself for what he wants and not what is reality wise possible. Bush is expected and will not disappoint, his Iraq course. Or is it Cheney's course?
As Bush will receive several reports that have some differences. This is on purpose so Bush may put on his Cowboy uniform and get to play the ?Lone Star Decider" with Tonto Cheney as his loyal sidekick that will allow anyone else the sacrifice that he would never do himself or expect of any one of his loyalists.
Be very, very careful James, it's vermin like Mary Matlin who drive men to look for love in bathroom stalls at the Minn/St Paul Airport!
Was that Timmy's head, or did a hot air balloon land in the studio?
these cons become physical when they can't use their talking points. Conservatism breeds violence from the hollowness of the ideology
These people are boring, all these cable shows are f**ing boring. Just the conservatives against the NEOconservatives, with a moderator too stupid to challenge any of the talking points; wowee, what insight. People expect political deconstruction, they NEED it, but all they ever get are the same tired sock puppets flinging battery acid on each other.
It's all just a waste of precious electricity and oxygen. This whole venue on cable is a sociopolitical disaster.
Imagine this right wing nut (redundant, I know) threw a pin at Jerry Springer guest.
*at a Jerry Springer's guest.
tHeGaMeOfLiFe @ 98:
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they'd rip her hair off.
Pissy is a good word for Matlin in general.
I was waiting for Carville to jump in and refute his wife's talking points. Guess his balls are locked up tightly in her purse.
Wow, look at James Carville, the incredible dickless man! It's not hard to know which of of that soul-less couple has penis envy!
Carville is very unhappy in his marriage.
That is a fact.
She may have more to worry about come November 2008 than somebody correcting her spin and labeling it as "Cheneyism". The Larry Craig story with the corruption and sleaze storyline could well be bigger than people think. Craig, after all, has not resigned. He has announced an intention to resign at the end of September. In the meantime, he has hired a high-powered attorney to re-open his guilty plea. Most of the time getting a conviction overturned is next to impossible, especially in cases that are toxic. A High-powered attorney doesn't take a case he intends to lose.
Assume Craig gets the conviction overturned. That shoots down much of the rational for resignation so Craig cites this new circumstance and retracts his intention to resign. That still doesn't make the behavior go away, plus, it brings the Vitter case back to center stage. Does the GOP really want the 2008 election to be about Craig, Vitter, Stevens and all of the sleaze this conjures? Playing defense on the indefensible is not the way you win elections.
observor @ 91:
Oh no!... the mere humans have discovered our alien changlings influencing the world one Sunday talk show at a time. Despite the transformative powers of our defiant race, agents Carville and Matalin have been exposed. Scramble the flying saucers for immediate removal and don't forget... engage the black helicopter matrix.
Aw, hell, that was just playful banter between socialites.
Mary does look better with the longer locks, I'll give her that.
One other point, James must have gotten some last night, as he let a few decent opinions fly out there. Normally, when he's on with his wife, she's got the choke collar on pretty tight.
Wow, instead of someone, anyone calling her out on her immature act of throwing a pen and hissy fit, they all LAUGHED? And these are the people NBC is using to discuss the most important foregin policy bungle in our history? God save us.
Discussion of hissy fits and men smacking down women is sniveling sexism. Please pardon my chemise for not getting my shapely little girly ass in a tissy fit about a bouncing pen, which is what, suppose to be mightier than a victory sword in Iraq? LOL. No wonder you have butt one blogad advertiser!
Site Monitor: Don't worry about us, we're doing fine. Of course, we don't have the benefit of your Conservative WELFARE programs...like when they buy hacky books by Coulter or Hayes by the bulk to push up their numbers and then sell them for a penny. Are those the blogads you're so proud of? We're all REAL impressed.
Of course they laughed, what else could they do. Remember, these people are colleagues, not adversaries.
Matalin was pissed because Shrum nailed her. She had nothing to recover with.
BTW, is there a Matalin/Carvile divorce pool being set up?
She's just like every other neo-con turd. When they don't get their way they stomp their feet, pout and cry, and then blame their problems on the Dems. or some other imaginary bullshit.
Mark my words, the Republican party as we know it in this country is in it's last days. The end is near for this incompetent bunch of .pricks because they can not sustain this level of stupidity for much longer.
Now now, Mary. Remember what we talked about. Be a big girl and use your
wordstalking-points.Anthology @ 84:
I agree 100000000% Not one of those chatterers is truly involved at all.
Despite the Matalin-Carville link, you have to admit she's fulfilling her role in pushing the conservative strategy on the war issue. Keep the public dangling - keep them thinking success is near - keep us in there - as long as possible. I have no idea whether success is near - I wonder if anyone else does? Seecomments on the incident and the poltiical strategy at link above.
There was a fundraiser for Ghouliani on Nantucket and Jack Welch (ex-CEO) of GE/NBC) was one of the hosts for it. Needless to say, but of course, all the hacks that now summer up here were all there. Matthews, Russert, Bob Wright, etc. They don't even attempt to steer clear of any conflict of interest. It is all about access to the powerful or would be powerful. To them it is a heady aphrodisiac. I was asked by someone who does not know my politics if I planned on attending. Obviously, I said no. Friends of mine who did go told me about it.
They are all whores.
She's upset because the "Cheneyism" phrases intended to support and close arguments, the ones that link exit plan surrender, are being laughed away with the merit they deserve. None.
I'd ask MM if she thinks 'the people' know that the term 'cut and run' is a nauticle term that sacrifices the anchor in saving the ship.
Presenting FOX WHORES FIVE:
Ann Coulter, Mary Matalin, Michelle Malkin, Erin Burnett and Rudy Giuliani.
Success... success? What do they even mean? Michael Ware has it right when he says that anyone who claims that there IS a government in Iraq is "kidding themselves" so what definition of success are they even discussing? Success=less than 50 civilian casualties per day? or Success=Terrorists-moved-out-of-Anbar-and-on-to-somewhere-else?
Ridiculous they even use the word at this point.
Good job by Shrum all morning though- I must say. As charming as he is, those teeth are not just for show.
Would somebody put a feedbag on that mare, maybe then she will shut her damn mouth, what a nag.
In typical authoritarian fashion, with regard to pulling the troops out of Iraq Mike Murphy says Hillary Clinton is "doing what is best for the country, not what the voters will vote for."
Gee, as if she or any other politician knows better than the rest of the populace what is best for the country.
Isn't that typical Republican? When you don't have the arguments, just start throwing things around.
My posts aren't showing up. Is it something I've done.
Well, THAT was an adult way to handle it there, Mary.
"I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG AND JUST TO PROVE MY SELFISH POINT, I'LL ANGRILY TOSS MY PEN AT YOU, SO THERE!"
I would assume SEPARATE BEDS are the order du jour for Ms. Queeny and Mr. Carville, eh?
Deborah at 104--where did you hear this about Matalin and Carville? Please give us the details.
I never could understand what Carville sees in that snotty, obnoxious woman.
We should remember that the mindless concept "precipitous withdrawal" was invented for the specific purpose of avoiding a realistic confrontation with those who advocate a more gradual withdrawal of our troops from Iraq by none other than the Weehkly Standard journalist and Republican propagandist, William Kristol, and eagerly siezed upon by Karl Rove. Since then, Republican "strategists" like Mary Matilin have adopted it as a Republican mantra, repeating it in any and all "discussions", hoping that they can make it stick to the hides of the Democrats and anyone opposed to our occupation there. It's not working because of the increasing sense of hopelessness of our presence in Iraq by our military command in Iraq who are gradually realizing that they have been sinking into a bloody disaster. Eventually, our morons in the Cheney/Bush oval office will "go along", but only if they find some way to somehow quietly slither away. The gradual return and increasing dominance of the Taliban in Afghanistan is painfully demonstrating the failure of the insane right wing attempt to "convert" the MidEast to a democratic region by force of arms and, especially, to capture Iraqi oil. But the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute have scads of money from whacko billionaires to push the envelope as far as they want with new slogans and world theories of American capitalist victories.
Matalin throws pens, Novak storms off sets, Shill O'Lielly shouts down his guests. These conservatives are all a bunch of school yard bullies and adolescents.
Perfect examples to be setting for the little children from the "family values" crowd.
Mary Matalin only proves that a succubus lives among us ~ Just take a good look at poor ole James Carville ~ Gosh, You can tell she’s actually sucked the life out of him ~
One more face lift and Matalin's going to have a beard.
Looks like she's wearing a Michael Meyer's mask. Next she'll be throwing knives across the table.
Anyone who has followed politics for a while should start to realize that the Republicans are just like the Democrats when it comes to follow the leader(of their party). For years the 2 parties have the been exact opposites in all but one category "Party Loyalty". There seems to have been an unwritten rule that no matter what, your side was right and their side was wrong, and the facts didn't matter(for the most part).
Under normal circumstances that would work, as evidenced by this countries past successes and moderate failures. Both parties have had their ups and downs, no big deal. But, that was when the 2 respective parties showed some common sense with their actions and didn't stick their necks out to far on any one issue.
This time that's not the case. The Republican leaders have put their entire party on the line with this (Iraq) Never before has one party(Repubs.) put their constituents in a position to choose another party(Dems-Ind.) in such a way as this. Imagine that you back one person or philosophy so much that when it's realized(3-4 yrs) later that the person or philosophy was very, very wrong and not about to change, you either continue to support it or you abandon it.
As we all know Bush is to blame. When you have a leader that is as incompetent as he has been, it puts the whole party in jeopardy because of the" Party Loyalty", so now every Republican voter has to make a choice, either suppot incompetence or abandon it.
Don't sign me up for the Mary Matalin fan club, but I TIVO'd MTP this AM and watched it after I saw this item.
Matalin was holding a black pen, which is still visible on the stack of papers in front of her after the "incident" took place. There was a flurry of papers and what appeared to fall on the floor was white. Carville was fiddling with papers. Matalin wasn't. My hunch: Carville accidently flicked his own pen on the floor when he picked up his papers.
Matalin is a b*tch, of course, but I just don't buy the take on this.
Why oh why, if we're so scathing about MSM and particularly televisual MSM "news" shows, why waste time taking these awful people seriously enough to a) watch them? and b) argue with them? Listen folks, these people wouldn't be given the time of day in a real discussion about (say) the Petraeus report. Matalin? Carville? that familiar looking moderator whose name I've forgotten? They're dead horses; they're dragged onto the set once a week to be beaten. And you're right, @125, about that canard "precipitous withdrawal." On the other hand, precipitous withdrawal from MSM would do everyone and this country a big favor.
Carville better watch his ass, or better yet another important part that is in the same area.
How did this bitch ever get so rotten, I'll bet anything that the two of them eat out every night.
jitter @ 24:
Absolutely. And I don't trust that turkey-gobbler Carville any more than I trust his harridan of a wife!
She referred to "traditional republican values"... So funny to hear that from the one who helped to trades them for oil $$. $34 Bn per quater for just Exxon ALONE, received just from increased risk on the world oil market - this is the new republican value to die for, and they are prepared to send entire world to hell for this new value. She worked as a demagogery ideologue inn Cheney's office for this task, and even she has failed.
Looks to me like Mary Matlin was trying to remain civil in a complex and difficult discussion and Bob Frum was being aggressive in that discussion and Mary lost her cool with him. Bob Frum needs to engage a more humble and thoughtful discussion about better policy in Iraq and stop pretending like "pull out of Iraq" really is a more thoughtful policy than it is. I'm not a Republican, but it looked to me like Mary was trying to make a point and, as too often happens in conversations that should be taken more seriously, she was being dismissed because Bob was sure that his party has more answers than it does.
Carville has got quite the dome...but the neocon...now that's a Cranial Extravaganza...whoooo boy that is some dome.
What are you talking about? Shrum had finished talking a full 11 sec before and GOP Murphy was talking, not Shrum. Matlin is creepy but this is making something out of nothing but a playful gesture. Jeez get over this petty BS.
lvogt @ 138:
True this is petty..but how about a little fun at their expense.......The thing that this is ........is Frustration.She can't do it for much longer.....who knows..she might be the next one to go.
Who's the deluded plow-horse sitting next to Carville?
These are the times that try oil-nazis' souls... (if they had any souls in the first place...).
I would venture
less than 25% of anybody
is for immediate withdrawl
heh...
Think of how they would act if the subject were IMPEACHMENT. Call Nancy Pelosi @1-202-225-0100 and discuss IMPEACHMENT. Maybe we can get it on the air by next Sunday.
Ben @ 136:
No, Matalin was spewing and spinning lies and he called her on it. An alarmingly large number of humble Democratic politicians and pundits are the main reason we're stuck with George Bush and why our country is in such bad shape. People like Matalin need to be called out and shut down with overwhelming truth and knowledge. Your claim that she was trying to remain civil is laughable, she was lying through her teeth.
I saw a bunch of Republicans squabbling. One got upset.
Ben @ 136:
The Point she was trying to make was nothing more than Spin,Lies and downright Bullshit.......
Someone with sense ought to remind her that SHE'LL POKE AN EYE OUT. I don't let my children get away with that shit. I do believe she's lost her objectivity. Probably not all she's lost.
When she threw the pen, why didn't everyone look at her at ask her if she was three?
It's mumblecore ...
what a little baby!!! the republican pundits really must wear diapers. they whine and whine when they are getting increasingly proven wrong by reality.
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