Bush Believed That There Were WMDs in Iraq Through 2006
By Nicole Belle Tuesday Sep 04, 2007 9:01pmIt's been said before: "Denial ain't just a river in Egypt," but this might be a whole new low for delusional thinking.
In Oct. 2004, President Bush finally admitted that Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction: "Iraq did not have the weapons that our intelligence believed were there."
Yet according to former White House chief of staff Andy Card, this statement was just rhetoric. In his new book on Bush, Robert Draper writes that the President continued to privately insist through April 2006 that Saddam had possessed weapons of mass destruction:
Bush, for his part, was not disposed to second-guessing. Througout 2006, he read historical texts relating to Lincoln, Churchill, and Truman - three wartime leaders, the latter two of whom left office to something less than public acclaim. History would acquit him, too. Bush was confident of that, and of something else as well. Though it was not the sort of thing one could say publicly anymore, the president still believed that Saddam had possessed weapons of mass destruction. He repeated this conviction to Andy Card all the way up until Card's departure in April 2006, almost exactly three years after the Coalition had begun its fruitless search for WMDs. [p. 388]
Oh, help me. Is he trying to lay a case for utter incompetency? He certainly has me convinced.
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Great screen shot.
Dubya is a stupid SOB! What else can you say about a man who is this delusional? He is either on drugs and alcohol or the most stupid SOB to ever walk this earth.
I'm wracking the old brain for a more incompetent leader, but few come to mind. Perhaps Ethelred the Unready? Even Caligula and Nero had a talent for gratuitous excess. This guy's in bed by ten.
kasinca @ 3:
All of the above.
No he is bed earlier than that...and he does not read or watch the news...have any of you ever thought maybe he really is Incompetent...I mean it...this is not just delusional thinking...
All arguments that saying he's an idiot are mere partisan immaturity are demolished now.
Bush has nothing in the way of credibility. Nothing in the way of humility or Christianity.
Bush has been brought up to think he is "Special". I think it was the football helmet and going to school on the short bus that convinced him, that or the family billions and .....shudder ......mother dearest, Barbara "the poor are better off at the Astro Doom" Bush.
Bush is responsible for putting the 'Duh' in 'W'.
The guy is and always has been a puppet. I'm not excusing him, he should rightly know that he has a hand up is ass if he's going to pretend to lead this nation. He's not the one pulling the strings, though. No president since JFK has tried to cut them.
Yep! OH YEAH!The planet idiot.
Captain Ahab still searches for the white whale.
He believed it because he is dumb, does not read or do research. The only goal of Bush and the people around him is to fill coffers and change the political landscape in America.
What better way to do this than through having a wartime hero right wing President.
What do you think staged production was all about?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=AIcmucXJrgs
http://youtube.com/watch?v=CFijzDyJnVE
Bush "read historical texts"???? I don't think so.
Well actually there were WMD's in Iraq. Unfortunately a girl's pet goat happened to eat all the WMD's, so there wasn't any proof. Bush vowed to get rid of the goat, but the goat became a hero when he head butted a terrorist into submission...
At least that what Bush remembered reading in some important security documents during 9/11.
He also believes in the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.
Iraq HAD WMDs ! His poppa sold 'em to them and Rummy had the recipes to prove it. D'uh.
General Jack D. Ripper @ 14:
If he read a few historical texts before he invaded Iraq, he wouldn't have to worry about how history would view him after he invaded Iraq.
Maybe Saddam hid those wmds on that B-52 in Minot.
You know, uh, he is actually in charge of protecting us and stuff. He is asleep at the wheel, for real. He believes his own bullshit. Conspiracy theories about him secretly planning all this crap to win elections and pay off the industrial military complex are comforting, cause we can tell ourselves "at least he is good at something" but holy shit this man is a moron. He is supposed to be tricking the rubes in this country into voting against their interest, not actually tricking himself. What happens when we have a real crisis? Like, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US" and "The levees broke" and ... I gotta stop. I am getting depressed.
mr. shrub is and always will be a LOSER in my history book.
Compare that to this new Sidney Blumenthal piece in Salon:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2007/09/06/bush_wmd/
He was briefed in 2002 about the WMDs, he blew it off, Tenet let him do it.
In the immortal words of Mr. Bugs Bunny, "What a maroon".
And Tenet silently sat behind Collin Powell and sold it to the American people (as bullshit)
I know why he thought that Iraq had the WMD, his Daddy, Rummy & Cheney were all in the administration when Reagan gave Saddam those weapons.
If the stupid little SOB had bothered to do any research on those chemical & biological weapons, he would have found that they have an expiery date.
Shrub is very fond of saying that "Saddam gassed his own people", but never mentions that his Daddy & Reagan gave Saddam that gas.
I never understood how in the run up to the war, the administration said that "Saddam has no proof that he destroyed his WMD!" Just how the hell do you prove a negative? MSM asleep at the switch!!
He is not a partial but a total as3hole.
It is hard for me to believe he is that stupid!
Guess he inherited the worst traits of his mother anf father!!!
hell, you could probably train him to salivate when he see's food too--
Too bad the WMD were not placed under his pillow!
If an Honest history is written it will regard this man and his sycophantic administration as the Potemkin Presidency. Nothing but a PR facade of photo ops and delusional assertions repeated endlessly by a lap dog media.
Those that swallowed the bait and believed the baloney will scream the loudest that it was all true if only to keep from admitting that they were played for fools. They'll surely be given swiftboat megaphones to scream it too, paid for by the few that made fortunes from the robbing of the treasurey.
Horseshit. When was that unforgettable bit where the Shrub joked about WMDs? This lot does nothing but lie to attempt to cover their tracks. Fortunately, the camera doesn't lie...
Bush knows one thing really well: how to get sympathy as a victim of circumstances and bad information.
In his book Defying Hitler, the author talks about Hitler's defenders as blaming it all on "little Hitlers" who subverted the Fuehrer's noble aims with their deceit and incompetence. "If only Adolf knew!" went the lament.
Actually, that quote might come from They Thought They Were Free, by Milton Meyer. Either book is excellent.
GonzoD @ 25:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5257.htm The truth about who gassed the Kurds......read this,it's worth a few minutes.
when it comes to this man, you can make a plausible argument for every negative trait that can make one a failure as a leader. and this guy was elected twice.
If Card left in 2006, then for all we know, Bush STILL thinks this is the case.
Bush has a real talent for looking really stupid and really nasty at the same time.
What you will find in my above posted link is that there was 2 different types of gas(each gas has it's own chemical signature)1 From Iraq and the other from Iran.Irans gas was designed to breakdown quickly so the Iranian army could go in quickly.Sodamns was designed to stay there so no one could occupy the area...Guess which one was found there?..yep you guessed it...Irans.
Bush in the Oval Office:
http://www.thedubyachronicles.com/index.htm
So you see all the hype about Hussein gassing his own people was just a ploy to get more support for the invasion.....more lies.
mudshark @ 38:
Thanks for the link!
that's more proof Bush is a sick neo- con extremest.
"GEORGE BUSH IS A MALIGNANT NARCISSIST
by Paul Levy
http://www.awakeninthedream.com/bushnarc.html
Psychologically speaking, Mr. George W. Bush is what is called a ‘malignant narcissist.’ A narcissist is someone who has become hypnotized and entranced by their own inflated self-image. They have become so self-absorbed that not only are they not in genuine relation with others, but they relate to others (including the environment) as objects to satisfy their own need for self-aggrandizement. A ‘malignant’ narcissist, however, is a narcissist who reacts sadistically to others who don't support and enable their narcissism. For example, instead of self-reflecting and taking in critical feedback, the Bush administration reacts with ruthless contempt for anyone who disagrees with them. Like a mean and cruel-spirited malignant narcissist, Bush and Co. deny the accusation and try to destroy the messenger. Ultimately, a malignant narcissist wants to annihilate anyone who in any way threatens their illusory self-image and self-serving agenda.
Malignant narcissists can be very charismatic, and are very adept at charming and manipulating others. They are clever at camouflaging their malevolent agenda, even to themselves, and can appear to be very normal, regular, and seemingly loving people. To quote the great doctor of the soul, psychiatrist C. G. Jung “only a very small fraction of so-called psychopaths land in the asylum. The overwhelming majority of them constitute that part of the population which is alleged to be “normal.”” And, I might add, that many of these so-called seemingly ‘normal’ psychopaths are drawn to positions of power. Malignant narcissists are very skilled at entrancing others, at putting other’s under their spell. They are master hypnotists. They are like ‘black magicians,’ in that they are very talented at hooking others through their fear by using ‘mind-control’ techniques such as lying and propaganda to control them.
The narcissism of a leader such as Bush resonates with the narcissism inherent in his supporters, who identify with Bush’s seeming certainty and lack of doubt (it never occurs to them that, to quote John Kerry “You can be certain and wrong.”). This creates a very dangerous and pathological situation called “group narcissism,” in which a large group of people have dis-connected from their critical faculties and entrusted their power to their narcissistic leader. This is a perversely symbiotic, co-dependent relationship in which all members of the group are colluding with and enabling each other’s narcissism. For example, George Bush, in his utter narcissism thinks that God speaks through him. Instead of being seen as deluded, his supporters reflect back to him that they, too, think that God speaks through him. This, of course, just reinforces Bush’s narcissistic delusion. Seeing Bush as God’s instrument concurrently fulfills in the Bush supporters their adolescent fantasy of having someone who is playing the role of the divine leader to protect them. This mutually interdependent and reciprocally reinforcing delusion is what is called a ‘collective psychosis.’
By playing with people’s fear, Bush is hypnotizing people to give their power away to him. Unfortunately, by doing this he has hypnotized himself as well, which is to say he is deceiving himself in the process of his deceiving of others. Malignant narcissists are pathological liars. They are very adept at both lying and then believing their own lies. The conviction they carry in this act of self-deception can easily ‘entrance’ people. To quote Jung “Nothing has such a convincing effect as a lie one invents and believes oneself, or an evil deed or intention whose righteousness one regards as self-evident.” A malignant narcissist plays with people’s fears so as to gain their trust and control them, which is based on the abuse of power over others that is the signature of a true dictator."
http://www.apfn.net/Messageboard/02-08-05/discussion.cgi.19.html
George's worst detractors don't call him Chimpy for nothing.
That's part of Bush's problem - he believes his own lies!
flex @ 40:
Well said! Malignant narcissist is one dx; another would be bipolar disorder with psychosis.
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"In Oct. 2004, President Bush finally admitted that Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction: “Iraq did not have the weapons that our intelligence believed were there.”
The Big Lie, for the millionth time our intelligence believed there was NO WMD, Bush Lied. heres the proof again...
"CBS) When no weapons of mass destruction surfaced in Iraq, President Bush insisted that all those WMD claims before the war were the result of faulty intelligence. But a former top CIA official, Tyler Drumheller — a 26-year veteran of the agency — has decided to do something CIA officials at his level almost never do: Speak out.
He tells correspondent Ed Bradley the real failure was not in the intelligence community but in the White House. He says he saw how the Bush administration, time and again, welcomed intelligence that fit the president's determination to go to war and turned a blind eye to intelligence that did not.
"It just sticks in my craw every time I hear them say it’s an intelligence failure. It’s an intelligence failure. This was a policy failure," Drumheller tells Bradley.
Drumheller was the CIA's top man in Europe, the head of covert operations there, until he retired a year ago. He says he saw firsthand how the White House promoted intelligence it liked and ignored intelligence it didn’t: "
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/21/60minutes/main1527749.shtml
flex @ 44:
The intelligence failure was on the part of the small minds in the administration!
He has to believe it, if he didn't believe it, then..he....would......be........wrong.
Wrong about everything.
And that thought will never see the light of day. He will go to his death convinced he was a great leader. Just as Slobadon Milosevic, Idi Amin and all the rest of the loony and murderous dictators, (who always seem to find a following), believed they were Great Leaders on a Divinely Mandated Mission - even when it's beyond doubt that they are complete whack jobs - so to Dubya blithely marches towards his date with the devil, convinced that he really is better than all of us, and therefore entitled to have done whatever evil he wanted, no matter who died, who suffered.
He's been viciously cheating and lying to get his way since he was a child, facing up to the results of his actions now would require a moral compass that he does not possess.
He's not incompetent, that would be preferable.
He's crazy.
Proving that he's SO stupid he believes his own propaganda.
Or
He's just practicing what he's been taught. Keep repeating the lie and that makes it true.
Saddam didn't have WMD's but Bush does. Disarm him through impeachment before he kills again.
well we sure as hell know that he thought it was a funny issue. why else would he do a lame ass looking for WMD in the white house video for all his fun buddies in the press. i hope he finds a very long over due rude awakening the very hour he leaves office and see how much of a joke he himself appears to be to the majority of the world.
and when he goes on his speaking tour to replenish the "coffers" i hope he will fianlly speak before a crowd that is not hand picked of proven koolaide drinkers.
Ruthless People @ 49:
I second that. He thinks it's necessary to destroy the world in order to save it.
Tags for the book up on Amazon:
51 - worst president ever
36 - war criminal
33 - moron
29 - joke president
25 - dumb
25 - imbecile
24 - chickenhawk
24 - clown
23 - idiot
16 - cretin
11 - draft dodger
I've been suffering from outrage fatigue for several years now, but is there such a thing as WTF fatigue?
myiq2xu @ 53:
Yes there is! And there are many sufferers!
mudshark @ 32:
He is a fucking uneducated idiot. Period. End of story.
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GonzoD @ 54:
Yeah, I knew this was going to be very bad when he got into office in 2000. I just never dreamed it was gonna take this many WTFs. Can't. Take. It. Anymore.
W is MD alright--mentally defective.
Proove it! I's dares ya!
Hey ya removed firedogs post!
incompetence.... he has too wake up to the idea that he was duped by cheney and all those think tank nuts he surrounded himself with..... and he is to blame for that.
might as well remove mine too then cheesus
So, so so so so so weary of topic concluded 4 years ago. Conclusion: horseshit.
W believes that there were WMD in Iraq..... wow is this guy for real or what ...the next thing he'll be telling us is Elvis is still alive and playing in the rose garden for Thanksgiving this year. JCB
firehead @ 57:
Right. And Elvis owns a Dairy Queen in Wisconsin.
This is just another book that shows everyone that he not only doesn't give a phukkk how much damage he does, he also likes to rub it in everyone's faces because he certainly knows that no one will do schitt about it.
firehead @ 57:
Yeah, right! I suppose next you're going to tell us that Dicke Cheney is a great humanitarian?
firehead @ 57:
there never were. there are still none. the myth is told to create an excuse to threaten yet another middle-eastern country.
Great picture of W...he looks like he just stepped out of a airport restroom with his fellow REP Larry Craig. JCB
spiritcatcher @ 17:
there were NO wmds. the chemical stuff had deteriorated, was useless and was catalogued by inspectors before 1998.
He's incompetent but he's still in power, which means the electorate is more incompetent. The new America... it's a race to the bottom.
Arrogant, bi-polar, drunkard, scary, lying, crackhead, pig-carving, sneaky, greedy, thief-n chickenhawk, warmonger, delusional, ghost-seeing, murder, baby-killer, phony bullshitter, cry-baby, scaredy-cat, inbred, stupid dicwad.
@66 and 67: two Elvis sightings, minutes apart...here on C&L
Bush lives in his very own fairy tale, Alice in BushWonderland. He can't see reality for the fantasy he lives in.
Unfortunately his fantasy is, in reality, Killing Americans.
But hey, he just can't wait to start "filling the ole coffers" giving speeches for big bucks. One speech will make him more money than One of our soldiers suffering in Iraq makes in a year.
couchmouse
firehead represents the base, the group of mental midgets that consume the propaganda and perpetuate engine of death in Iraq.
So Saddam had WMDs???? And why the hell wouldn't he use it when we attacked him????? It was the end for him, so why not go all out?????
The inspectors had Iraq covered and they insisted there was no WMDs!
veritas @ 43:
"Totalitarian Jesus Complex" as far as I'm concerned.
Watch Bush when he is speaking to a crowd. Soooo many times he licks his lips.
Licking lips is one of the traits to detect when a person is lying.
George W is a legend in his own mind.
Flex@40, exactly! Couldn't have said it better, but I'll blather on anyway.
The problem is that people see Bush as an idiot, where in fact he is a brilliant manipulator with a lot of social intelligence and not much else. Pretty much everything points to what in the old days would be called a sociopath. Notice how difficult it is to ever find out who is to blame in the administration -- from the AG scandal to torture to the decision to go to war, everything that could point blame back to Bush is lost in a fog. He is brilliant at manipulating people, but is deficient in most other areas. Among other things he is probably dyslexic, which really limits his ability to take in new information. (Yes there are brilliant people like David Boies who are dyslexic, but Boies happens to have perfect photographic recall and an astronomical IQ which more than makes up for the handicap.)
The book indicates some interesting personal habits; while being interviewed Bush would suddenly jump up and gleefully swat at flies -- seconds after being somber and serious. Around the edges I have heard of sudden rages and bizarre personal habits (remember the Angela Merkel incident?)
Nobody likes to take blame, but in Bush's case it is pathological. He cannot admit -- even to himself -- that he is ever wrong. He will lie about what he said in the past so convincingly that you will think that it is you who are insane. TV cameras and instant replays are not kind to such a person, but the White House press corps has been pretty much under his spell. It is amazing to compare uncensored feeds to how the corps reports on them -- they interpret for him in much the same way that a nurse interprets for a partially brain damaged patient in a hospital. When all else fails, they say that he made a clever joke.
One of the hallmarks of this is that Bush relies upon an extremely tight inner circle of people who have totally bought into his illusions. Notice how inside players in the White House never go away; they get recycled. Powell leaves, Rice steps in. Ashcroft (an outsider) leaves, Gonzales (long term confident) moves in.
The illusions cannot last forever. The enterprise seems to be flying apart. If the departure of Rove is real, then we probably have interesting and scary times ahead. If Rice goes, say your prayers. She and Bush have an .. interesting relationship and so far she seems to be the one with the closest grip on reality. In any other universe she would be considered a dangerous nutcase rather than a stabilizing influence.
What I have not figured out in this whole universe is the role of Cheney. Cheney could be the personality in this (it can be incredibly difficult to unmask who the sociopath is because they are experts at deflecting blame), he could be a handy pawn, or he could be just as ill as Bush.
If I remember, and I may be wrong, back when saddam used nerve gas on the Kurds, it was the reagan administration. We just gave them a wink and a nod and sold them attack helicopters. So technically, saddam "had" wmd's. It's a pretty lame legality, but that is what has kept this sorry excuse for a leader in office this long.
To say that Bush is delusional is too kind. This would imply that he means well, when all evidence is to the contrary. As a poster above mentioned, his real feelings about the WMD were summed up in his "joke" where he captioned a picture of himself looking under his desk "Those WMD have to be around here somewhere..." If he actually believed that the WMD were really there, and that thousands had died because of them, and he actually gave a rat's ass, he never could have made a joke like that. There are 3 main choices to explain his behavior: he's a) delusional, b) crazy, or c) a liar. While he certainly doesn't appear healthy mentally, the main explanation which ties everything together in his admin is simply that he and his cronies are liars.
Interesting article in the Times. The "phosgene" that UNIFIL collected from Iraq in the 90's turned out to be ordinary cleaning fluid.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/05/nyregion/06clean.html?adxnnl=2&adxnnlx...
So, even the WMDs that Saddam supposedly had in 1996 turn out to be commercial cleaning chemicals. It is further proof that the sanctions and no-fly zones were based upon just as much of a lie as all the rest. This should not really surprise anyone who was paying attention. Saddam had no need for WMDs after Gulf War I. Having them would hurt him more than any possible benefit that they could be to him. (Think about the insane theory that when faced with imminent invasion, Saddam sent all of his potent world-threatening WMDs to Syria.) The WMDs were just an excuse so that the sanctions could be continued, keeping Saddam's oil off of the market (helping the Saudis), destroying Iraq's economy and military (helping Iran and Israel -- who were pretty friendly until GWII), and providing a great excuse to keep a large U.S. military force in the region.
the connies keep playing the "like Lincoln" card with the mouth-breather in chief
The decider is alway passing the buck. It was (he-tried-to-kill-my-daddy) Hussein, WN(o)D, (un)intelligence. What an idiot wuzzy.
And to think he wanted to fill the AGs department with idiots like him.
repugs are a train wreck.
He was praying to "his god". I wonder what that idol looks like? It ain't the same one I have.
This guy is a pathetic goose.
It doesn't matter that Iraq had WMDs prior to the Gulf war (although it does matter a lot if he used them, and the answer to that turns out not to be clear cut.) Almost every country in the world has some form of weapons of mass destruction.
What mattered is that as part of the terms for ending the first Gulf War, Saddam had to be the first country to implement this cynical idea of a "Middle East free of Weapons of Mass Destruction (tm)." Cynical because of course Israel has every imagniable WMD. So if Saddam still had WMDs, then he was in violation of the treaty.
Saddam learned that this almost insignificant clause in a treaty that mostly dealt with getting his ass out of Kuwait would be enough to destroy his country. It is impossible to prove a negative. The inspections became increasingly more intrusive until at one point the CIA was inserting fake inspectors charged with organizing a coup against Saddam. (He found out, and that is why he tried to refuse to have US inspectors any more.)
If you recall, before the war a great deal was made of the fact that Saddam's "quote unquote" Palaces were off limits to inspection (per the treaty.) Well, after the war we went into the "quote unquote" palaces and found that they were indeed just that -- stuffed with incredibly bizarre and ugly artwork but no WMDs.
Faith based government is "hard work".
70% of Republicans still favor the Iraq War. How many of them would favor it if they had to serve?
When Bush leaves the White House, he and Blair are to be knighted by the Queen. Their titles?
"Sirs Wanks Alot"
"History would acquit him, too. Bush was confident of that, ..." -Draper
I'm not aware of history acquitting any wartime leaders reflexively, especially the aggressors. Chimpy might consider that variable in the grand equation of his imperious legacy, while busy trying to reach boogers with his tongue.
Tragic for the Us/world.
a credulous US public, generally, was made paranoid and see the cost to humanity although nobody gaives a damn in the US to the millions Iraqis dead, maimed or rendered fugitive by the mayhem created due to 'wrong intelligence'. the cost may still recur in future!
Bush took *one lesson* from Christianity, and only one. He thinks that believing things in the face of contradictory evidence is a virtue.
What would Jesus deny?
The man is an imbecile. I don't hear too many of those voices on the right making the tired old "he's stupid like a fox" argument anymore, saying that he's actually very bright but likes people to underestimate him.
bmw 528 @ 222:
alex @ 220:
plastic @ 25:
ron paul is right on iraq but still a wack-o. less gun control could have prevented 9/11?
Yes not only is gun control unconstitutional. Just the very idea that every one may be armed actually prevents alot of crimes. All gun control does is take the gun away from the otherwise law abiding civlian and gives the criminals with the guns a superior upper hand. You think if people were allowed guns on an airplane they would of been able to take over the plane with out getting killed? Contrary to popular belief terrorists are an extreme minority and it would be very hard for them to sure up enough numbers to even fill up a full plane for a suicide attack. In every situation where there is gun controll gun crime goes up.
Any credible facts to back up this crackpot load of bull? No? So we have to take your word for it? Now go back and listen to your Ted Nugent album like a good little troll.
Hi Guys,
You are taking what he said out of context. He said it is the responsibilities of the airlines to regulate their property…hence if its a private business, you have a right to deny guns on the premise. Like wise, airlines have a right to deny their “customers” guns on airplanes. Now lets think if one of the pilots had a gun in their cockpit, in a safe place…do you think 9/11 would have happen…hmm box cutters vs. guns…i think id know who would win that one…
I used to be a big gun control liberal…but of recent times I have started to realize why that silly 2nd amendment is in the constitution of the USA. It was written in a time when many people with guns (red coats) slaughtered people that were not allowed to have guns (our forefathers)…This amendment is important to prevent tyranny and is applicable to today. Imagine if some nutjob like bush gets into power again and wants to increase his powers…how is he gonna enforce his desire…via military/police state which have guns…now what happens if we get to a point where we(the people that rule this country) do not have guns…we will have to follow orders by force from some low grade moron with a gun (some dumb cop)…I do not like that picture and hence realize the importance of this amendment. People realize, we are in some dire times…tyranny is upon us…do not let democracy die, do not let tyranny rise to the cheers of people thinking they are safe…no as ron paul said when you sacrifice liberty to have a gun for security from someone else…you sacrifice everything…
Lets get it correct. AWOL George, Five deferment Dick, Shoe Shopping Condi and why do you think they call him Rummy and all the rest acted out of pure fear after 9/11. They were and are frightened little scardy cats.
That is why they had no fortitude to "act on what was actionable" and not "What George believed".
And George says he believes. Was God telling Pat Robertson to tell Bush to Pre empt Iraq. So when George says he believed Iraq had WMD he really meant his God told him so?
The case for impeachment is there. We just do not have anyone in washington to do so.
How about the next Democratic primary debate, the question to these Presidential hopefuls should be,
Do any of you believe George Bush should be impeached?
If so why aren't you showing the leadership by doing so?
We DO know that at one point, Iraq had certain chemical and biological weapons sold to them by Bush 41. Perhaps George Jr. and all of his father's friends know something that the rest of us do not?
If they were there, however, they should have been found by now. Saddam didn't want to use them against the US; he wanted to maintain his rule. One of the many reasons I was against this war was because the collapse of Saddam's regime could allow any WMDs that might exist to leave the county. So... where are they now?
“Iraq did not have the weapons that our intelligence believed were there.” The problem is, intelligence believed no such thing, and told Bush.
Bush knew Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction
Perhaps it's the sheer depth of his incompetence that affords him the capacity to believe his own lies.
There are a number of things wrong with that report:
1. Bush reading history, give me a break. About as believable as Bush reading Camus.
2. Bush lying about the intelligence community believing there were WMD. The intelligence community never believed that crap.
3. "the president still believed that Saddam had possessed weapons of mass destruction" neither the President nor the Vice-President ever believed Saddam had access to WMD. In fact they had access to the good intel that specifically told them Saddam had NO WMD.
4. "He repeated this conviction to Andy Card", Andy Card was a real dick, but he wasn't a fool. He was inside deep enough to know that the whole thing was an elaborate ruse. Bush wouldn't have insulted Card by stating such garbage.
This story is an attempt at creating another level of deniability for Bush. But we all know this is crap, and they know that we know that this is all crap. So what is the point? This story is either distraction for something really bad waiting to be reported, or cover for new evidence that will be coming out shortly to further prove this war was a lie.
Here are the facts:
1. Bush told us before he was "elected" that he was going after Saddam. He said this many times on the campaign trail and in the 2nd debate.
2. Chaney/Bush both knew there were no WMD, just look at all the intel reports now available.
3. Chaney/Bush both knew invading Iraq would be a horrible irreversible error that would mire the US in the middle east for decades. Just look to Chaney's statements before becoming VP.
4. US forces were never given instructions to successfully win the war. Look to millions of tons of explosives and weaponry that was intentionally not guarded. Look to the dismantling of the Iraqi forces that could have been used to stop an insurgency.
5. Incorrect levels of troops and weaponry were used throughout the entire conflict. Usually to the direct conflict of his generals on the ground, Bush did exactly the opposite from what would have been helpful in ending the war.
6. Early on the idiot Rummy screws up and slips that this is going to be a long slog of a war. Later, statements are made about needing to be in Iraq/Iran for decades, likening this situation to Korea.
There's a lot more than this, but all the facts show that Chaney/Bush intentionally created a war that would not only win them the second term but would allow them to funnel hundreds billions of dollars into their friends pockets, and destabilize the international oil market. For those of you thinking a Dem. President will fix all this, ask yourself, why? It's all the same companies paying to play with repugs and Dems.
Repeat after me: "Duh Preznit is always right."
Very good, now repeat as a mantra for the next 24 hours.
That'll l'arn ya!
I believe he ran for President just to impress his father. W has never appeared to be interest in the job. He has put minimal effort in. He has repeated the same cliches for seven years. How about an original thought! Meanwhile, the rest of the world has lost respect for the U.S. and in many cases have surpassed us. History will not be kind to W. It will take years for the U.S. to recover from this mess.
I'm very confused. I just read an excellent article By Sidney Blumenthal on Salon.com entitled: Bush knew Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction
So which is it?
Did he know WMDs didn't exist, but said they did so much that he finally bought his own line of crap?
I also remember a report from an insider, about cheney's energy task force meeting, which he went to court for, to keep the participants secret. Apparently, the meeting room featured a map of Iraq. This was prior to 911. Everything else that has been dismissed as bull by the neo-cons has turned out to be true, and I don't doubt this was either. Bush and Cheney are both oil men.
They are just to stupid to realise that blood and oil don't mix. And that is the root cause of this misbegoten war. Freakin' oil. I would rather ride a bike to work for the rest of my life than be complicent in the death of even one of our finest. When you put profit above death, you have no morals whatsoever.
That is the crux of the matter, and I am waiting for our saviour. And it sure as hell ain't Hillary.
well of course he still believes in the wmds. he probably still believes in his pet goat too given that the facts support he didn't manage to work his way through either concept entirely well.
chimpy believes, in time, he will be known as a great president, a great leader.
I bet hitler believed that too.
He can't remember his own ridiculous lies.
repugs laugh, smirk and sometime they even draw a blank crazy look when they are caught in its own bs.
Repugs don't care how stupid, dangerous and idiotic their answers are to serious questions.
Remember when chimpy self-proclaimed he's the war president of the 21st century?
How can the WH get away with press secretaries that are arrogant, snippy, argumentative, self-centered, blubbering nincompoops
How can the minority rule the majority?
Dems hurry up and end chimpy's reign of calvary.
George --
"Brilliant" HAHAHAHAHAHA
The only fools believing him are the 28%ers.
He's really dimwitted.
He's been dimwitted all his life.
The first mentally challenged prez in history.
"Dems hurry up and end chimpy’s reign of calvary" ?
They'll need to grow a pair very quickly if they want to do that.
Remember "The rubber stamp days are over" and "there's a new congress in town". Give me a break.
Even as the majority they are still handing over their lunch money to the - allbeit chimpy - bullies
Mugsy @ 34:
Exactly what I was thinking.
How soon will he start saying "I do not recall" and feigning dementia? My guess is 3rd Feb 2010.
GonzoD @ 90:
Which demonstrates just how nazi like they are.
This isn't really surprising coming from a guy who claims to have seen ghosts coming from WH portraits. He's a mental patient. Apologies to mental patients.
This article goes hand in hand with the new Sidney Blumenthal exposé on Salon, Bush knew Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction, which I would urge everyone to read. That's the real story here: corroborating witnesses told Blumenthal that Bush was given strong evidence that Saddam didn't have any weapons of mass destruction, but he dismissed it all out of hand. Bush also withheld that vital information from the Congress and the Department of Defense. CIA Director George Tenet pushed back at first, but he eventually caved and kept his mouth shut until after he left office.
This is the strongest case I've heard so far for impeachment.
They're still there. Unfortunately they are and always have been... ours. In one way or another.
Bullshit. He ordered that intelligence be manufactured to fit his plan to invade. If this asshole thinks by claiming he had some intelligence saying that Iraq had WMD's, when every intelligence agency in the world was telling him otherwise, that he will somehow be immune from future war crimes prosecutions he is out of his fucking mind.
Guess what, Premier Boosh: Flimsy excuses won't exempt you, there's no statute of limitations for war crimes and there's nowhere you can run to excape prosecution.
Like the saying goes, "You can't cure stupid."
The whole point of having WMDs is to stand as a checkmate against invasion.
The fact that the US could invade proves they didn't have WMDs.
Dubya sees himself as the new Truman, citing his lack of popularity when he left office. Dubya won't even go down in history as a Nixon. What he did was far worse than what Nixon did. I also criticize the Democrats for their lack of courage bt going along with him and not impeaching him.
George: "I know Saddam's got those WMDs cause we sold them to him!"
Maybe he's like Chertoff and just has a "gut feeling" that Saddam had those WMDs.
How many times does it have to be said? Chemical and Bioweapon facilities have to be huge to handle the safety aspects of creating such incredibly dangerous things. Were any factories being built to do so seen from orbit or atmospheric recon? No. Were any huge excavation projects being undertaken to try to hide them underground? No. Were the massive shipments of stainless steel and ceramics needed to enclose such facilities detected? No. Were there any reports of industrial-sized air compression systems (needed to maintain over-pressure of the outer facility while the inner facility was under-pressurized to keep anything that got loose in the building from getting out) ever seen entering Iraqi ports? No.
This was a effin' g****mn sham from the get-go. And Junior is still of the opinion that the stuff is there? 'Moron' is too generous to describe him...
miss skeptic @ 120:
Now THAT is probably true.
What's worse, being a mindlessly stubborn dolt or a war profiteering murderer? I don't buy Bush still believed there were WMDs in Iraq. That narrative suggests his pursuit of death and destruction had it's rationale - gettin' them rascally WMD, therefore categorizing his intentions benign. By now, anyone who has been paying attention has deduced that Bush has a sadistic aspect of his personality to which this endless war feeds. If he were as resolute as the author is trying to suggest here, then at the very least Bush would have made damn sure those trying to find his WMD had body armor and clean drinking water. One only needs to look at Bush's willful inaction during Katrina, his continued support of torture, the current destruction of our rule of law and the slow dismantling of our infrastructure to understand the the man behind this quagmire in Iraq.
If Bush is deluding himself about how history will judge him, I wonder if reality will sink in when he's sitting in prison in the Hague. Of course, he may start thinking of himself as the next Nelson Mandela...
"Anybody seen any WMDs around here? Heh,.uh,..heheh,..nope. Over here meybe?,..heh heheh,..nope. How 'bout under here?,..heheheh,..not there,..heheheh,..where are those pesky WMDs,...heheh" – GW Bush, 2004 fundraiser.
Call him crazy, call him incompetent, call him misinformed, that's exactly what he and his handlers would love us to believe, but he knew damn well there weren't any WMDs in Iraq looong before 2006. 'Idiot' is a role he plays well, but he and the cabal are VERY calculating, don't let the idiot facade fool you.
Bush read historical texts throughout 2006???
Rubbish! We all know Bush doesn't read.....or think. He simply believes.
Moron.
Serious question: If he believed until 2006 that Iraq had WMD, what changed his mind to resign that Iraq did not? Article didn't say. (And no, I'm not buying the book to find if the answer to my question is in it.)
Rollo Tomassi @ 125:
Rollo..true they are very caculating...BUT...He is still the village idiot...
Should have been:
SoSickOfIt @ 129:
When you don't base your conclusions on evidence, you're pretty much free to believe anything you want. Doesn't matter if you're talking about WMD or the virgin birth.
"If I only had a brain!"
Bush talks to God. No problem there, I do it myself.
The problem arises when God only tells you what a heckuva job you're doing. God apparently told Bush he was destined to be president. God told him to go after Saddam. God bucks him up when those negative poll numbers come calling in the dead of night. God tells him 3,752 soldiers died for a good and noble cause.
Usually, when I talk to God, it's not to hear attaboys and get my ego boosted. It's to apologize for screwing up, or asking for guidance ... with the understanding that my problems may be self-inflicted.
My conclusion is that Bush ain't talking to God, but is simply hearing little voices in his head that tell him he'll have a legacy, that history will vindicate him, and so on.
Rollo Tomassi @ 125:
I apologize for the multiple posts. Trying to get it right here---
Several have made reference to this. Does anyone have a clip? At what event did this take place?
Note: I'm not doubting you. Would like a link, please.
Narendra P @ 97:
Willard McBain @ 55:
I really think you should lighten up on George. After all, the poor guy does have his travails:
George's Lament
Time rushes it's End, yet Dawn's not unfurled
God in his Place and all reich with the World.
I've tried, how I've tried, with lies and in scorn,
To heed His whisper: "Corrupt and suborn,
Reshape all this land as feudal in mold,
And make highly noble the Corporate Fold."
The tools I was given were ancient, yet bold,
The same long employed by barons of old:
Terror and Fear, sown Division and Shame,
All proved fabulous used in my name.
That I mastered them well I offer as proof
That Wrong is now Right, and Lying is Truth.
The Past I've turned clay, and molded to shape
A tale of History that's but its rape.
And all the Dead lying in wait of Charon
Died not in vain but for cause of my own
As good sheeple should. For God has decreed
Me the Decider, they, fuel for my leede.
So why are my minions all falling away,
Treacherous scum, in confused disarray?
And over those things so small and pic'yune
It boggles the mind: mere Torture's the tune
They're playing on strings, while sobbing in pain
Like delicate schoolgirls caught in the rain!
It sure would be funny if not for the gall:
They're "terrists", stupid, not human at all!
And, as for the Rights in that faded old Bill?
They only apply if there's no one to kill.
So, save all your 'plaints and your quaintness of Law,
God says I am Master. Regard me with awe.
Bush Believed That There Were WMDs
That's the problem, he believes. To hell with facts. Just believe.
And he's a leader? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. :(
He's laying down the basis for an insanity defense in his future was crimes tribunal trial.
Most people suspect that Bush believed there *were* weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and Bush is a fools for doing so. I suspect he knew there *were not*. He can never ever publicly state this. If Bush came out in public and hinted that he knew the evidence was contrived or flimsy, this would prove he *knowingly* lied to congress and citizens.
His entire defense now is... "I believed Iraq was a threat because I got reports from the CIA and I believed them". Bush can never experience a public reversal on his Iraq lies for as long as he lives.
If there ever was a document or memo which hinted he knew this was a scam, It has likely been turned into pulp and incinerated. He's had years to cover his tracks. He is as much of an idiot as OJ Simpson; like a fox.
Yes, they were a new chain of Uncle Saddam's Olde-Time Pretzel factories.
That's the trouble with boosh, Bubba Clinton went by evidence not faith.
SoSickOfIt @ 129:
and apparently, from the picture, that those WMDs were very tasty...
Overthrow the Punditocracy!
http://leftopia.blogspot.com/
I think if Iraq actually had WMD, they would've used them now. What better reason than another country invading & occupying? Sheesh.
SoSickOfIt:
It was at the 2004 Press Correspondent's Dinner.
There's a link here, though the clip has some other stuff thrown in (like in memoriams for Iraqis and soldiers to make the comment appear more reprehensible). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKX6luiMINQ
The clip is more powerful without the interlaced material. However, it still conveys the jist of the mood at the dinner (Bush thinks its funny, and the press corps laps it up).
kasinca @ 3:
Or both.
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