Israel, the U.S., and the attack on Syria
By Steve Benen Thursday Sep 20, 2007 7:16amOrdinarily, when a reporter asks the president to comment on a subject he’s not comfortable with, Bush will dodge pretty well. He’ll note his unwillingness to discuss the matter, but he’ll do so artfully (albeit unpersuasively) with some vaguely credible explanation. Yesterday, however, NBC’s David Gregory asked Bush about Israel’s bombing raid on a target in Syria earlier in the month.
“I’m not going to comment on the matter,” the president said with a stoic impression. When Gregory followed up with a related question, Bush repeated, “I’m not going to comment on the matter.”
As a rule, I don’t find Charles Krauthammer’s work to have any value, but his initial description of the events in Syria earlier this month were on the mark: “On Sept. 6, something important happened in northern Syria. Problem is, no one knows exactly what.”
The WaPo’s Glenn Kessler and Robin Wright shed some additional light on the subject today with a provocative front-page piece.
Israel’s decision to attack Syria on Sept. 6, bombing a suspected nuclear site set up in apparent collaboration with North Korea, came after Israel shared intelligence with President Bush this summer indicating that North Korean nuclear personnel were in Syria, U.S. government sources said.
This bears watching. As the WaPo noted the other day, “[L]ike a subterranean explosion, the event is sending shock waves through the Middle East and beyond.”
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the nukes are in Israel!!! Illegal nukes!! On National Zionist Radio...I mean National Public Radio yesterday, the question of Israels relationship with America was so shallowly plumbed, the audience knew less than it did before the segment ran!
Further proof that we will be stuck in the Middle East for many, many years to come.
BTW Harry Reid is a wuss!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/syria/story/0,,2174293,00.html
American Energy Independence....its the only way to save the Democratic Republic.
It's hard to tell what really went on when Israeli jets flew into Syrian airspace since Syria isn't saying much either.
One would think if Israel did indeed bomb anything of value, they'd at least brag about it and use it as further proof that Syria is a threat. But, they haven't.
This leads me to believe that Israel was either testing the Syrian air defenses or perhaps using a diversionary tactic to mislead Syria into thinking any attack from Israel will be through northern Syria and not through the Golan Heights.
syria being silent is the most damning evidence against them if u ask me...
Another way to look at it is if you want to start a rumor, leak a story about Nukes, North Korea and Syria to major newspapers using un-named sources.
Then you get everyone including the president to "No Comment" any questions about it. By "No Commenting" they get everyone to see that as a confirmation of their worst fears while giving themselves plausible deniability later. The president can easily say, "I never said Syria had Nukes".
Of course, later in the same press conference the president makes a general statement warning North Korea about living up to their non-proliferation agreement.
Of course, having the folks on the right like Charles Krauthammer pushing the theory forward always helps. You have to admit that it all looks a little choreographed.
Carmikl @ 7:
OK, I'll admit it.
Carmikl @ 7:
Yeah... you have to wonder if Israel bombed anything at all. Maybe they flew over Syrian airspace or lobbed bombs in an unpopulated area just over the border. The fact that Syria is silent about this (ie: they don't seem to be notice that this happened at all) speaks volumes.
"No comment" should be Bush's answer to every question. We'd save time, he'd save time and we'd be no less well informed.
There is also the possibility that there was nuclear material there and by bombing the area they created a massive dirty bomb contaminating several square miles of Syrian soil and maybe fallout into neighboring Lebanon.
That's something the Bush administration never mentions about bombing nuclear facilities. When you combine massive explosions with nuclear material you get the same effect that you would have if you deliberately created a dirty bomb. That's what would happen if we bombed Iran's nuclear facilities.
Carmikl @ 11:
Not to mention Iran shutting down the Persian Gulf if they are attacked.
Charles Krauthammer...sheesh, don't take anything this man says seriously, he one of them PNAC deceivers whos in love with Machiavelli and Leo Strauss.
Arms Control Wonk has been covering this well; it wasn't Syrian Nukes, but like Syrian Scuds: http://www.armscontrolwonk.com/1646/ah-they-were-scuds
Funny, this site says Krauthammer was the first to talk about this.
First I saw of it was on Faux News.
Im calling bs untill we get credible info.
yeah scuds sound more likely...
It would take Syria two decades to develop a nuclear program. This story is complete garbage.
We have entered a video game world. We bomb who we want, when we want.
I think Noam Chomsky is correct: The threat from WMD terrorism is real. But our actions make this dreadful scenario more likely, not less.
Freakaloin @ 6:
This makes the most sense...if anything really happened, at all.
Richard Welty @ 14:
One poster in the comments section on that page notes that according to French Intelligence Online: "The U.S. Navy wanted to board the ship in Morocco’s territorial waters".
Why not sail through the Suez Canal?
The Israelis are as trigger happy as Bush, so an attack wouldn't surprise me.
Funny about Bush keeping mum, tho. It would be more like him to brag about it.
Bush Bites @ 20:
maby the isralie air force got thier ass waxed!
This story along with the recent bombing in Lebinon killing a so-called 'anti-Syrian' politician - and Syria's apparent silence - This all sounds pretty Rovian to me.......
Can everyone say "yellocake from Niger"?
Garbage @ 17:
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Bush Bites @ 20:
I can see three reasons for keeping it mum:
1. As I posted above, It's a way of advancing a rumor that might advance their case for bombing Iran.
2. There was nuclear material there and they created a horrible mess by spreading radiation over a large area endangering a large number of people. Also mentioned earlier.
3. They bombed nothing. Their intelligence was bad and they risk starting a war with Syria for nothing. That would be embarrassing.
tyree @ 21:
I know that would make you happy.
Carmikl @ 24:
Then why in the world hasn't Syria commented or retaliated? Huh? C'mon smart guy enlighten us.
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We're in the hands of madmen. Period.
Remember when Bush had made plans to invade Syria after Afghanistan, and Iraq, and Iran, only to find that this war stuff is really hard and unpredictable. But then he's a decider not a thinker.
"Bashar Assad killed Mandela"-Bush 43
McDuff -- maybe if the Palestinians wanted PEACE and their own country they'd elect real politicians instead of continuing their tradition of being led by TERRORISTS. Maybe they'd recognize Israel's right to exist. Maybe they'd stop lopping rockets into Israel to goad Israel into responding and then cry to the world about how they're the innocent victims.
Dr. Acula @ 26:
Take a deep breath and relax. This isn't the first time Israel has crossed into Syrian airspace. It has happened in the past. What's different about this incident is that the tensions are high (think U.S. Iran relations). The media was really the one to make a big deal out of all this. In the past Syria hasn't responded either. Last year, Israeli jets flew over Damascus, Syria responded with harsh verbal criticism and that was it.
omegahpla @ 23:
I'm sorry, your lack of knowledge regarding the development of nuclear weapons puts all your other assertions into question.
I suggest you read "The Making of the Atom Bomb" by Richard Rhodes and get back to us in a year (it's a very thick book).
And lay off the Fox News "history" shows.
1984 @ 13:
Hello? The PNAC People put their opinions in black and white, hardly deceptive or Machiavellian. I highly doubt most of the dorks spewing about PNAC's report have read it (I have) any more than they actually watch Bill O'Rilley before they talk smack about what he would say or things he did say.
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Bush didn't even give that annoying smirk when he refused to comment. Is that good or bad?
Dr. Acula @ 31:
Listen, I'm not going to entertain you with more responses after this. But, I'll say this, Israel has had its chances of making lasting peace with moderate Palestinians. The problem was, Israel wasn't and still isn't willing to give up the illegal Jewish settlements in the West Bank. Back under Clinton's admin, when Barrack offered Arafat an "unprecedented deal" he offered him what looked like Swiss cheese on a map, Palestinian towns separated by Jewish settlements. In effect the Palestinians would be getting less than 30% of the West Bank. Hammas didn't rise into power until Arafat couldn't deliver territories along the 1967 border during his negotiations with Israel. So the Palestinians resorted to a more radical government.
Don't forget that people who are fighting an illegal occupation of their land aren't exactly terrorists. At least no more or less terrorists than Begin or Ben-Gurion were when they were members in Lechi and Haganna and bombed the King George hotel in Jerusalem under British rule.
Please, spare me the rhetoric and the talking points. It gets old.
McDuff @ 27:
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Tell us more about how the US stole the atomic bomb from the Nazis.
I'm fascinated.
And so begins the first of many proxy wars brought to us by George Dumbya Bush and the Cheney maladministration.
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Oh well. Guess I'll have to get my Fox News history lesson some other time.
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We're not even through in Iraq or Afghanistan and already the zionists and neocons are salivating at the mouth to attack Syria or Iran. The American people need to wake and realize that the neocons WANT constant war. The Imperator, Chimpus Maximus, wants to bring about Armageddon for the faithful X-tians.
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I am not sure what some of you are talking about when you say that Syria was silent about this incident. I read about this on Sept. 6 out of a Middle Eastern paper. I don't know which one. But here is an article from a China paper dated Sept. 6:
DAMASCUS, Sept. 6 (Xinhua) -- Syria said Thursday that its air defenses opened fire on Israeli warplanes that had entered its airspace at dawn and forced them to leave, but Israel said they are unaware of any such an incident.
It seems someone was trying to be quiet and cover things up and it WASN'T Syria. Again, just because our media is silent about something doesn't mean that other countries aren't paying attention.
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Best of luck with your other trolling.
McDuff out!!
Dr. Acula @ 26:
Why would Syria retaliate if Israel was just testing their airspace, or it was just rumor mongering? Syria did comment. They said they chased the intruding aircraft away, and that nothing was bombed.
Thanks for the smart guy compliment. I rarely get compliments along with my first cup of coffee. In fact, I rarely get compliments.
McDuff @46
It is called projection. This person obviously is for killing all Palestinians, so they project this onto the Palestinians claiming they want to do the same.
Dr. Acula @ 31:
All of that would have happened, Doc. IF we had supported Arafat, instead of demogoguing him. When President Hussein visited Israel and then brokered to have Arafat to Camp David, Jimmy Carter...yes...THAT Jimmy Carter had us on the road to a REAL deal and a real settlement.
We know the rest. The extremists in Israel removed Begin, and we wound up with Netanyahue, which set Mid East politics back 15 years. Sharon and Rabin were a disaster, and the it was divided government in Israel after that, which set Israel and mid-East policy back ANOTHER 10 years. The Israel lobby OWNED Reagan, so...although he moved policy along "so long as it was in line with Israeli demands" it went no where. Then came the intifada, etc. etc. GHWB was a catastrophe. Clinton tried to get it moving again, but by then Arafat had been marginalized because of STUPID U.S. policy, so it was too late. Jordan was removed as an inroad to Mid-East with the assassination of King Hussein.
The extremists (read powers that really control the power) on BOTH sides dictate policy now, despite the fact that majorities of the population on both sides, Palestinian and Israeli want peace. Hebollah won because they were outside the structure, and really represented the people's will for change. We wound up with Hezbollah because of BAD U.S. Policy...not because Palestinians are terrorists.
You disappoint me.
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navyswan @ 45:
Again, to anyone who didn't know that Syria was talking about it, here is a link. Syria was NOT silent about it.
andrew @ 18:
Syria Says Israel's Nukes Are Sparking an Arms Race
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/905802.html
Fury as Netanyahu Confirms Syria Strike
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2984789.ece
Israeli Defense Minister: Israel Can Beat Any Enemy
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070920/wl_mideast_afp/mideastisraelpolitic...
No, you are the one who should read more.
The nuclear weapons program was developed by American, British and, yes, self-exiled scientists from Europe.
The Nazis were playing catch up the whole time, and had only accomplished rudimentary work by the time the war was over.
Perhaps you are thinking of the German's rocket program, which was more advanced than Allied efforts and was led by Werner Von Braun, who was taken prisoner after the war and helped the developed US rockets and missiles.
Sad that someone who calls everyone else "ignorant" should be so ignorant himself.
How arrogant and annoying is this shit?
Israel can beat any enemy: defence minister
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070920/wl_mideast_afp/mideastisraelpolitic...
Here is an article from CBS from Sept. 6:
(CBS/AP) Syrian air defenses opened fire on Israeli aircraft that violated Syrian airspace overnight Thursday, a Syrian military spokesman said.
Now who said Syria was ominously quiet about the whole situation?
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And, by the way, the isolationists in World War II were Republicans.
It seems to me that Israel is trying REAL hard to start a war. When Syria didn't take the bait back on Sept. 6, they had to come up with this nuclear story. I have heard that the US and Israel have decided to put their attention on Syria instead of Iran because it is an easier target that has less ability to defend themselves.
So, if Israel and the US decide that Syria is our next target, what happens to the 2 million Iraqi refugees. I guess we will bomb them for a second time?
How about we NOT have another war????
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Site monitors,
Why are you allowing the thread to be hijacked by someone spewing conspiracies? I thought you didn't like that sort of thing?
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They never got beyond the theoretical point by the time the Manhattan Project was in full swing.
We kidnapped no scientists to develop our nuclear weapons and they had no assets to steal.
You can support Israel's right to wage war on its neighbors, but don't change history and then keep denying the truth after it's shown to you that you are wrong.
And, finally, the way you're determined to say that Germany invented nuclear weapons makes me wonder if you didn't get your history from some crazy White Supremicist Web site or book. True?
Stay away from that garbage. It's even worse that Fox News.
navyswan @ 60:
Why do you all keep engaging him? DON'T FEED THE TROLLS, THEY GO AWAY
hmmm... Einstein, Oppenheimer, Teller, Otto Meyerhof. I think it might have had something to do with them being Jewish scientists and the laws that Germany passed to outlaw the citizenship of Jews. The US didnt exactly have to 'kidnap' anybody. I think they rather were quite eager to leave the German Country on their own after "KristalNacht". In fact, the US wasnt the only place they fled to. Perhaps YOU should google it...
Wasn't it Wesley Clark who said back in 2003 that the State Department had come up with a plan for 5 wars in 5 years. This plan included Iraq, Iran, and Syria. If that is the case, like Iraq, wouldn't they make anything up to fulfill their plans? Syria is just the next target in their grand reshaping of the ME. Anything they say to start the war will more than likely be more of the fixing the intelligence around their goal and will be suspect.
What about Dimona?
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TheRevolutionWillNotBeTelevised @ 64:
True. Many of them were Jewish and came to Britain and the US to develop nuclear weapons because they were afraid Hitler would come up with it first. Or, like Fermi, they escaped fascist Italy.
Moreoever, German science was in the pits precisely because the Nazis came to power, chasing away Germany's preeminent scientists and foisting "Germanic education" on its universities, which basically dumbed down Germany's educational and university system, much like the Fundamentalist Christians are attempting to dumb down America's educational and university system now.
I thought this thread was about an imminent attack on Syria?? Why are we talking about Nukes and Nazis?????
You people let the troll divert the entire thread. It's a shame. I would hate for us to sleep right through to the next aggressive war. Don't fool yourselves, the US is going to attack either Syria or Iran before Bush leaves office. The clock is ticking....
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Dr. Acula @ 31:
McDuff — maybe if the Americans wanted PEACE and their own country they’d elect real politicians (representatives) instead of continuing their tradition of being led by neo -con TERRORISTS (twice in a row). Maybe they’d recognize all countries right to exist and govern their own. Maybe they’d stop lopping rockets (and covertly bringing down democratically ELECTED governments) in other countries to install puppet governments that respond only to the US and then cry to the world about how they’re the innocent victims. (why do they hate our freedoms)
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In 2006, Hizbollah didn’t launch one rocket until Israel started bombing southern Lebanon in the summer after the two Israeli soldiers were captured. Israel has a right to defend itself, but we’re going further and further off topic here with you diverting attention from the main issue and changing topics whenever it suites you without answering the points I bring up. It’s red herring galore. - McDuff
From the International Herald Tribune September 12, 2006
(http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/07/13/africa/web.0712mideast.php)
"The fighting on the Lebanese border erupted around 9 a.m., when Hezbollah attacked several Israeli towns with rocket fire, wounding several civilians, the Israeli military said. Israeli civilians rushed into their bomb shelters and many remained there through the day."
"But that attack was a diversion for the main operation, several miles to the east, where Hezbollah militants fired antitank missiles at two armored Humvees patrolling the Israeli side of the border fence, the military said. Of the seven soldiers in the two jeeps, three were killed, two were wounded and two were abducted, the military said."
Lay on the disinformation, McDuff.
Looks like the bogus, thinktank-outsourced intelligence is working according to plan. Syria AND Iran are to be implicated in nuclear plot scenarios. There is more-than-likely NO proof whatsofuckingever of ANY nuclear involvement by Syria (and they would already know better after Israel bombed a nuclear plant in Iraq years ago). So WTF is boosh giving (probably false) intel to Israel for unless he wants their cooperation is attacks on Iran.
You're right, Navyswan.
Last word, though:
The Manhattan Project started in 1941, predating this spying project he mentions. And the first bomb was used in 1945, which is when this "operation paperclip" allegedly started.
Again, the Germans had a lead on rocket technology and possibly many other things (they've always been a leader in chemical engineering), but not nuclear weapons.
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Go away omegalpha.
Geez. There are important things that are going on and we don't need you random tangents to distract. Also, if you are so obsessed over Russia, then you should realize that by continually attacking countries in the ME, we are pissing off Russia. The neocons are trying to start another cold war with Russia and China. And you call Wes Clark nuts. Ha!
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navyswan @ 80:
Navyswan, how's the hubby? Mine should be home in a couple of weeks, if Bush doesn't do something stupid again.
omegahpla,
Are you a professional troll? Sure seems like it. You are so full of shit. Way to hijack the thread, sharpy.
Carmikl @ 7:
yep!
Strawberry @ 82:
Neither of us are very good. He will probably be on a ship in less than a year and could be sent out to sea just in time for our insane dictators war of aggression on Iran or Syria. But, other than that, I guess we are just fine.
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navyswan @ 85:
Virtual Hug, Navyswan.
Strawberry @ 88:
Back at you.
Maybe if there were more people who had family members that were being offered up as cannon fodder for these insane wars, they would give a damn. Other than that, it is always lovely to here people talk about the troops (our husbands) like pieces on a chess board. Not to mention all the innocents in the ME that have to die.
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omegahpla @ 90:
How rote.
navyswan @ 45:
that bears repeating!
Hola,
I heard a good point about this today on NPR. It would seem as if this was all a simple testing of the waters to show that there would not be outright condemnation of an attack on Syria by Israel. As neither country has spoken about what has happened, this is what I am going with. In any case, even if there was an attack, the only coverage that it did recieve (that I saw) was a short article on CNN.
Legalize Marijuana ~ Sincerely, the Goat
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MikeGoat @ 94:
Syria was not silent on the issue (See 93). But the incident wasn't covered by many American media outlets. Which, I guess goes towards your theory, in that Israel proved that there would be no international outrage over them bombing a sovereign nation. Can you imagine the outrage if it were the other way around??
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BaScOmBe @ 93:
MikeGoat @ 94:
Good point. People should listen to NPR more and Fox News less. They may learn something.
You know, I read back and I did come in with a chip on my shoulder and was still in the mode I was in while in another forum, and carried it here where the discourse was more civil. My bad on that, and I apologize. Not for my opinions in the least, but for my crappy tude.
[Too little too late. And how are you off topic (I deleted that question a few posts back)? Simple. You are discussing things not on topic. That's how, Einstein]
Carmikl @ 7:
yep.
I have to go for now. I've gotta go put some Out Of Iraq posters up on my porch.
I say the worse thing we can do to Syria is open it to American tourists. Have you seen what our tourists do wherever they visit? We put to shame the Biblical hordes of locusts.
navyswan @ 99:
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Everyone that calls bullshit say aye.
AYE!
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AYE!!!!!!!!
navyswan @ 96:
I think more that Isreal, at US prompting was still helping test the waters on the tolerance for the expanded midEast conflagration that the US has planned. This is a bit different than the attack on Iraq because now everyone knows that we're coming. It's a question of when, not if.
no international outrage? I think it's more like gauging US outrage.
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Shorter Omegalpha:
"I get all my news from Fox and Abovetopsecret. I am so much smarter than you. I know for a fact that liberals are all fascists trying to take over the world with their evil 'love and peace' black magic. I know this because Fox said so. And Krauthammer and Kissinger are angels and never lie and never would kill someone for nefarious purposes. Iran Contra was a liberal lie made up by fascists trying to brainwash us. Watch FOX News, Watch Fox News, Watch Fox News."
Divide and Conquer.
Bush has done this to our country.
There is such an active hatred between the left and right in our country, it gives him the power to do whatever he wants.
Keep fighting amongst each other people, whatever it takes to ignore the criminals in charge.
America no longer exists.
BaScOmBe @ 111:
Very true.
navyswan @ 99:
I have been listening to NPR recently and they're sounding quite the partisan repug, slightly more subtle than fux/cnn. slightly. They recently quoted mcLame's commentary on the webb amendment.
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BaScOmBe @ 117:
I have unfortunately heard this too. Sad really.
back to where this all began...
Isn't david gregory a phuKKKing tool?
wha happen'd?
I will no longer feed trolls on this thread. I promise this as of right now!
BaScOmBe @ 121:
Lately, yes. I am not sure what happened. All I know is that we are headed into another uncontested war just like the Iraq war.
BaScOmBe @ 122:
Roger that!
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Consumer @ 115:
DING DING DING. There's our winner. Enjoy the weekend.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI&mode=related&search=
So, does anyone think that America will make it through the next year without our economy crashing, the neocons starting another war, martial law being implemented, or all of the above?
I think it is getting pretty scary here. We have a nation that is mostly asleep when it comes to the degradation of our rights and our war drumming. Will they wake up in time to do something or is it too late?
Liberal AND Proud @ 126:
Yes, but how are we supposed to get along with the people who are pushing the propaganda for the criminals in charge. I am not trying to be divisive, but it is hard to join together with people who live in an alternate reality. You say this like it is completely mutual, but in most cases it is not. The left isn't on the television calling all right wingers traitors. No, that is O'Reilly on Fox. So, what do you propose to do to unite the people against the criminals in charge?
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omegahpla @ 63:
Enough blowhard omegahpla! Surely you've earned your paycheck by now. Your tone is tiresome. Your arguments tired. Your anger annoying. Your priorities misplaced. Your moral compass lost.
But, please, respond. Show us more of your dignified responses.
P.S. the idea of calling liberals fascist is as funny as it is idiotic.
navyswan @ 120:
Moi aussi.
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Traitors, traitors, traitors. Always throwing that word around. It's as if the right would like to see half the country hanging from nooses. I would love to see a chickenhawk bastard say that to my face. In real life they don't dare because then they would have to answer why they are sitting on their asses eating McDumbyoudown while 'others' are fighting their war for them.
navyswan @ 128:
Americans want Marshall's Law...and Loehmann's, JC Penny, Sears, K-Mart...
Liberal AND Proud @ 137:
No Old Navy? When Clinton was prez, everyone knew not to buy gifts for him from Old Navy. He was already tired of old seamen.
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Omegahpla,
Your constant "lol"s are the most annoying part of your bullshit schtick. Oh, and the fact that you are a a relentless and obvious bot.
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Calling people "funny looking." The fifteenth common aspect of fascism.
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Fascism is the extreme of conservatism as Communism is an extreme of liberalism on a incessant continuum.
Anyhoo,
Israel consulted US before Syria strike, report says
Israel's decision to launch an air strike against a suspected nuclear site in Syria allegedly set up with the help of North Korea came after Israel shared intelligence with the US, it was reported today.
The attack on September 6 has been shrouded in mystery, although the Israeli opposition leader, Binyamin Netanyahu, yesterday confirmed in a TV interview that such an attack did take place. His admission came despite a news blackout over the incident.
The Washington Post today shed more light on the raid, which has sparked widespread speculation that it was a dry run for a possible attack on Iran's nuclear facilities.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0%2C%2C2174292%2C00.html
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I wish some people would stop spreading the debunked LIE that Vietnam vets were spat upon.
I also wish that some people would stop hiding behind the troops. Using them as cover and equating attacking their nonsense with attacking the troops.
How about we leave the troops out of it all together. And, everyone supports the troops with their tax money. But, we don't have to support the WAR. The whole tangent of supporting or not supporting the troops has been the number one most divisional tactic employed so far.
It is a way to keep people from speaking out against this ILLEGAL aggressive war.
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