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A visibly angry Bill Clinton had some choice words for the politics of distraction that the Republican party has employed to keep from having to confront their blind support for failed policies.

Of course, CNN's John King is obliged to bring up the Clenis for "balance."

CLINTON: ...This was classic bait and switch.

COOPER: Focus on that as opposed to focus on what's really happening ....

CLINTON: Oh yeah. That's right. "I don't have to deal with Iraq. I don't have to tell anybody what I'm going to do. Everything we do in Iraq is obviously right because they said this about Petraeus," as if it was the only issue in the whole wide world. Come on, these Republicans were all upset about Petraeus-this was one newspaper ad-these are the people that ran a television ad in Georgia with Max Cleland, who lost half his body in Vietnam, in the same ad with Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. That's what Republicans do. And the person that rode into the Senate on that ad was there voting to condemn the Democrats over the Petraeus ad. I mean, these are the people that funded the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. The President appointed one of the principal funders of the Swift Boat ads to be an ambassador, but they're really about the Petraeus one. It's okay to question John Kerry's patriotism on the blatantly dishonest claims by people that didn't know what they are talking about. So it was just bait and switch. It was "Oh, thank goodness, I can take this little word here and ignore what we've done in Iraq and what we're gonna do and the outrageous way that we're gained political power by smearing John Kerry."



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Right on Bill!

The right doesn't like it when the tables are turned, the babies...

Kind of late! Could have said this before Congress and the cowardly Dems went along with the useless condemnation thus leading the fight-back against the fained outrage. Lame.

Venting that anger? Isn't that rather dismissive.
Outburst? what outburst? he was controlled and told the truth
What a democrat can't be visably angry?

Why can't the rest of the Democrats (starting with his wife, Hillary) talk like Clinton?

The only way you deal with a bully is to call him out and whip his ass.

And his wife's vote was what?

Biggest mistake Gore and Kerry made was to buy in to the fear of having the Clinton campaign for them. Let the big dog out of his cage this election. Makes me sick when they refer to Reagan as the "Great Communicator". Bubba beats him hands down.

hey at least bill clinton is not afraid to say it like it is.............. If you guys are too afraid to say anything then some one has to

Notice they didn't comment at all on whether what he said was true. That just wouldn't do. Instead they discuss his "feisty" nature. Puh-leez. The public is growing tired of this bullshit.

14All @ 7:

Notice they didn't comment at all on whether what he said was true. That just wouldn't do. Instead they discuss his "feisty" nature. Puh-leez. The public is growing tired of this bullshit.

I noticed that. Once again talk about the messenger and not the message....

So THAT'S who has the spine!

I caught this this morning. God I miss this man as president.

Yeah, all you clowns that argue in other threads that there is no difference between the parties, that Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and GWB are all one in the same ... you guys are full of shit. This guy was a million percent better than that piece of shit in there now.

God, I miss having a thoughtful, articulate person in the White House.

I sure miss Bill.

I'm glad someone got up and said something cogent!

hadenuf @ 5:

And his wife's vote was what?

Hillary actually voted against the condemnation of the ad.

LOOK! A REAL PRESIDENT!

Daniel Ellsberg--who I greatly admire--has just realized that "a coup has occurred".
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/ellsberg.php?articleid=11674

When will anyone in congress notice?

hadenuf @ 5:

And his wife's vote was what?

Which vote are you talking about, Richie Rich-I-live-next-to-John-Edwards? Are you talking about the Patreus ad vote? If so, her vote was nay.

He excels in his job as the hatchet man for his party too. Is there nothing he doesn't do well?

Bush Sr and Clinton

What a team

Look Mommy! A Clinton who speaks for the rest of us, er USA. Now where is/was his wife?

Meanwhile in the Spanish news, Bush was threatening allies in his rush to war.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/26/AR200709...

Bill Clinton, 1998:

"Earlier today, I ordered America’s armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq’s nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors."

Bill Clinton is a pathological liar, as are all Democrats.

PurplePatriot @ 17:

hadenuf @ 5:

And his wife's vote was what?

Which vote are you talking about, Richie Rich-I-live-next-to-John-Edwards? Are you talking about the Patreus ad vote? If so, her vote was nay.

You are more than welcome to visit my 1400 sq.' house in the woods. Can you do any repairs?

Yeah, I know what Hillary's vote was; I was being sarcastic. Because now everyone misses Bill--in some ways I do too. At least I wasn't freaked out all the time.

Golly, I wish he'd get all testy over the killing of our troops in Iraq but, after all these years, it's an ad the gets him mad.

Eight more years of BS?

Clinton needs to be giving this message to the spineless Democrats in Congress.

cetylovx @ 2:

Kind of late! Could have said this before Congress and the cowardly Dems went along with the useless condemnation thus leading the fight-back against the fained outrage. Lame.

It is not actually a bad idea to let your oponents go overboard before commenting. There really was not all that much to say a week ago when the Republicans were in a snit, now there is much more to say.

The problem for the Democratic party is credibility & integrity, they are as dirty and corrupted as the republicans, Partners in crime. The only individual, Dennis Kucinich, who hasn't been complicit with the neo-con republican reign of utter corruption & deception is the candidate who doesn't have the slightest chance. Talk about perspicacity.....

These people - the neocons, the right wing attack machine - have been waiting for somebody on the left - a liberal - to use the “Betray us” line. Using “Betray us” was an obvious (sophomoric) play on words for the General that even the smallest mind would come up with. The Roves of the Republican party knew somebody would use the “Betray us” comment. They were very lucky that MoveOn used it and the right wing have been waiting. They had all the talking points just waiting. They have been planning since the surge started when Petraeus was named. Who didn’t think “Betray us” when they heard the name Petraeus? Of course somebody was going to use the “Betray us” line. The ad was not that bad but these assholes were ready as if it was the worst thing that anybody could ever do. They were ready to pounce. The left or the liberals or the progressives (whatever you want to call us) should have pushed back and pushed back hard. It’s nice to see that Pres. Bill is doing it.

DFAL @ 22:

Bill Clinton, 1998:

"Earlier today, I ordered America’s armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq’s nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors."

Bill Clinton is a pathological liar, as are all Democrats.

{sniff} {sniff} Is that a flame war I smell? Difference is ... Clinton didn't order a strike that lasted 4 years, has cost over 3000 lives of American servicemen and women. It's widely accepted that intelligence on weapons has been faulty for years. However, GWB exploited 9/11, used cartoons for Colin Powell's UN presentation, etc. Screw you.

The points remain undisgusted.

Why is the Petraeus/Crocker report differing so greatly from the NIE, the GAO and 14 intelligence agencies of our own?

Just an Old Lady @ 12:

I sure miss Bill.

PurplePatriot @ 11:

Yeah, all you clowns that argue in other threads that there is no difference between the parties, that Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and GWB are all one in the same ... you guys are full of shit. This guy was a million percent better than that piece of shit in there now.

God, I miss having a thoughtful, articulate person in the White House.

Greg @ 10:

I caught this this morning. God I miss this man as president.

He may well be doing a great job keeping the Republicans from actively persuing extending the number of terms a President can serve just by being here.

"these are the people that ran a television ad in Georgia with Max Cleland, who lost half his body in Vietnam, in the same ad with Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. That’s what Republicans do. And the person that rode into the Senate on that ad was there voting to condemn the Democrats over the Petraeus ad."

Which senator is this?

(NB: Saxby Chambliss of Georgia)

Testify brother Bill!

With each passing day Chimperor stays in office I love this man more and more. I mean forget for a moment Clinton was a far superior president to Chimp, Bill is intelligent, articulate and can string two complete sentences together.

Boy I miss Bill, faults and all...sigh.

Heliogabalus @ 27:

The problem for the Democratic party is credibility & integrity, they are as dirty and corrupted as the republicans, Partners in crime. The only individual, Dennis Kucinich, who hasn't been complicit with the neo-con republican reign of utter corruption & deception is the candidate who doesn't have the slightest chance. Talk about perspicacity.....

Yes, yes. Kucinich is wonderful. Bluebirds follow him around singing a joyous song as unicorns prance under rainbows. Acknowledged. Unfortunately the rest of us shitty people live and work on the other side of the looking glass, Alice.

Wolf Blitzer has now demonstrated the cut of his jib. He has now unquestionably told us that his goal is to support the republican party, and that he is absolutely disingenuous in pursuit of that goal. That he managed to twist a comment by Bill Clinton about the MoveOn ad into a discussion of Hillary's electoral chances while claiming to 'discuss what he said' is either an outrage or hilarious depending on whether or not you are still watching television.

Boycott television news, Boycott print media that distorts facts, and presents things through a republican frame. Get off the merry-go-round.

Big Bill Speaks!

After setting the table for the phuKKKing neocons and staying silent for 6 years, this corporatist piece of schitt want to pontificate?
He's only doing it for Hillary. I am not fooled.

JohnnyThief @ 32:

"these are the people that ran a television ad in Georgia with Max Cleland, who lost half his body in Vietnam, in the same ad with Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. That’s what Republicans do. And the person that rode into the Senate on that ad was there voting to condemn the Democrats over the Petraeus ad."

Which senator is this?

Yes. An excellent point. Ideally, I would have loved to see every democrat in the senate say the same thing.

ChrisM70 @ 25:

Clinton needs to be giving this message to the spineless Democrats in Congress.

Amen, Brother!

PurplePatriot @ 34:

Heliogabalus @ 27:

The problem for the Democratic party is credibility & integrity, they are as dirty and corrupted as the republicans, Partners in crime. The only individual, Dennis Kucinich, who hasn't been complicit with the neo-con republican reign of utter corruption & deception is the candidate who doesn't have the slightest chance. Talk about perspicacity.....

Yes, yes. Kucinich is wonderful. Bluebirds follow him around singing a joyous song as unicorns prance under rainbows. Acknowledged. Unfortunately the rest of us shitty people live and work on the other side of the looking glass, Alice.

you doing another "take what you can get' rant? or are you just gearing up for it?

PurplePatriot @ 29:

DFAL @ 22:

Bill Clinton, 1998:

"Earlier today, I ordered America’s armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq’s nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors."

Bill Clinton is a pathological liar, as are all Democrats.

{sniff} {sniff} Is that a flame war I smell? Difference is ... Clinton didn't order a strike that lasted 4 years, has cost over 3000 lives of American servicemen and women. It's widely accepted that intelligence on weapons has been faulty for years. However, GWB exploited 9/11, used cartoons for Colin Powell's UN presentation, etc. Screw you.

And Clinton's vice president wasn't against the war before he was for it so once he became vice president he would be in a position to lie the nation into war and then could steer no bid government contracts to is former company.

BushCo are lying scum traitors. You can't even begin to compare Clinton and the Democrats to them.

Fools on the Hill @ 24:

Golly, I wish he'd get all testy over the killing of our troops in Iraq but, after all these years, it's an ad that gets him mad. Eight more years of BS?

Exactly.

Vote for someone who will commit to ending this war.

At least during Clinton a highly experienced professional workforce veteran with a degree or two had a choice between being a department manager at Best Buy or Circuit City.

The Clintons are different than the Bushes but they swim in the same tank. We just look in.

BaScOmBe @ 39:

PurplePatriot @ 34:

Heliogabalus @ 27:

The problem for the Democratic party is credibility & integrity, they are as dirty and corrupted as the republicans, Partners in crime. The only individual, Dennis Kucinich, who hasn't been complicit with the neo-con republican reign of utter corruption & deception is the candidate who doesn't have the slightest chance. Talk about perspicacity.....

Yes, yes. Kucinich is wonderful. Bluebirds follow him around singing a joyous song as unicorns prance under rainbows. Acknowledged. Unfortunately the rest of us shitty people live and work on the other side of the looking glass, Alice.

you doing another "take what you can get' rant? or are you just gearing up for it?

I'm not about to start a rant when you're listening in. I've got no ammunition against you ... you're just too right on 100% of the time. There's just no fooling you.

The god damn liberals should be screaming what Bill Clinton is saying instead of caving in to these stupid congressional bills that they are voting for. They should be saying “Stop wasting our time!” and pulling out all the stuff the right wing has done over the last few years. What about this and this and this and this and this and this. PUSH BACK.

No, this isn't a "fascinating debate". It's all theater, and bad theater at that.

E Ryno @ 43:

The Clintons are different than the Bushes but they swim in the same tank. We just look in.

No disagreement here.

PurplePatriot @ 44:

BaScOmBe @ 39:

PurplePatriot @ 34:

Heliogabalus @ 27:

Yes, yes. Kucinich is wonderful. Bluebirds follow him around singing a joyous song as unicorns prance under rainbows. Acknowledged. Unfortunately the rest of us shitty people live and work on the other side of the looking glass, Alice.

you doing another "take what you can get' rant? or are you just gearing up for it?

I'm not about to start a rant when you're listening in. I've got no ammunition against you ... you're just too right on 100% of the time. There's just no fooling you.

Or anybody else, for that matter.

PurplePatriot @ 37:

JohnnyThief @ 32:

"these are the people that ran a television ad in Georgia with Max Cleland, who lost half his body in Vietnam, in the same ad with Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. That’s what Republicans do. And the person that rode into the Senate on that ad was there voting to condemn the Democrats over the Petraeus ad."

Which senator is this?

Yes. An excellent point. Ideally, I would have loved to see every democrat in the senate say the same thing.

I'm sure the Democrats did say the same thing, only it was too themselves while cowering in the corner with tears streaming down their cheeks for fear the GOP would slam them if they said it out loud.

I'm ticked off that there aren't any visible Democrats pointing out the substance of the ad, rather than the 'outrage' from the GOP. It's gotten to the point that El Chimpo Grande was able to slide that in as the last question in his 'news conference' and no one noticed a guy who glossed over his entire last year of duty is standing in judgment of others.

And now, we have Hillabamawards all saying they can't guarantee complete troop withdrawal before 2013. Makes the 2006 'the American people elected us to get us out of Iraq' kind of a joke, and a bad one at that.

xoites defends Constitution @ 48:

Or anybody else, for that matter.

Hey! Cut that out.

So a Dem win in 08 and people think we'll be leaving Iraq huh?

Funny

E Ryno @ 43:

The Clintons are different than the Bushes but they swim in the same tank. We just look in.

Well, we know they ride in the same golf cart. You see Bush 41 riding around with Bill Clinton more than you do his own sons. I must admit, that gives me pause too.

Ruthless People @ 53:

E Ryno @ 43:

The Clintons are different than the Bushes but they swim in the same tank. We just look in.

Well, we know they ride in the same golf cart. You see Bush 41 riding around with Bill Clinton more than you do his own sons. I must admit, that gives me pause too.

I actually think that it makes Bush 41 seem much more intelligent.

So the point of the story becomes: "Whoa, Bill Clinton has anger issues!! He's a mad dog! This is great for Republicans!"

Never mind the substance of what Clinton actually said. Never mind the very good point he made, that Max Cleland and John Kerry were ruthlessly slandered by the same people who voted the motion against MoveOn.org.

Fucking bullshit. The media is completely broken.

A fish tank in a golf cart? Doesn't sound prudent...

[Deleted. Off topic-Sitemonitor]

He brought up an excellent point about that race between Chambliss and Cleland. Funny, Cleland actually was in favor of DHS and pushed early on for it, but had to veto it because it did not give those employees the same job protection as all other federal employees - and he gets labeled unpatriotic. Nice!

Rick Hunter @ 57:

Busj is evil.
The Clintons are good and they care about us!

Good and evil?

You gotta be kidding.

Themesong for the Kucinch supporters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKh86kOoiWQ

Last time we voted for a new marshall to clean up Washington we got Carter, and his was a real successful administration wasn' it.

PurplePatriot @ 34:

Heliogabalus @ 27:

The problem for the Democratic party is credibility & integrity, they are as dirty and corrupted as the republicans, Partners in crime. The only individual, Dennis Kucinich, who hasn't been complicit with the neo-con republican reign of utter corruption & deception is the candidate who doesn't have the slightest chance. Talk about perspicacity.....

Yes, yes. Kucinich is wonderful. Bluebirds follow him around singing a joyous song as unicorns prance under rainbows. Acknowledged. Unfortunately the rest of us shitty people live and work on the other side of the looking glass, Alice.

Patriot, give it a rest. Not everyone gets off on the Clintons like you do.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who is sick of your flame baiting comments.

What is it about the primary process you don't understand? Just because you're a pragmatic DLC enabler doesn't mean everyone else has to be one. God forbid, some of us actually try and vote for people who believe in progressive values.

Ricky Bones @ 58:

He brought up an excellent point about that race between Chambliss and Cleland. Funny, Cleland actually was in favor of DHS and pushed early on for it, but had to veto it because it did not give those employees the same job protection as all other federal employees - and he gets labeled unpatriotic. Nice!

Even worse, Coulter discredits his injuries and claims he was some drunk that was screwing around and that he didn't truly earn the Purple Heart.

ysbaddaden @ 60:

Themesong for the Kucinch supporters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKh86kOoiWQ

Last time we voted for a new marshall to clean up Washington we got Carter, and his was a real successful administration wasn' it.

Best ex President we ever had...

Ruthless People @ 53:

E Ryno @ 43:

The Clintons are different than the Bushes but they swim in the same tank. We just look in.

Well, we know they ride in the same golf cart. You see Bush 41 riding around with Bill Clinton more than you do his own sons. I must admit, that gives me pause too.

I've read that's because Clinton is more well mannered than georgie or jeb.

Who beyond hillbillies name their kids jeb?

Rick Hunter @ 57:

Busj is evil.
The Clintons are good and they care about us!

Clinton was good at his job and a better president, but he was a douche-bag. Don't forget, he was in favor of things like the Mexico City Proposal.

Annoyed Canuck @ 55:

So the point of the story becomes: "Whoa, Bill Clinton has anger issues!! He's a mad dog! This is great for Republicans!"

Never mind the substance of what Clinton actually said. Never mind the very good point he made, that Max Cleland and John Kerry were ruthlessly slandered by the same people who voted the motion against MoveOn.org.

Fucking bullshit. The media is completely broken.

This is why many more Dems and/or Liberals should come out as indignant as Bill.

About Time. Why is he the only one who can speak up on behalf of the Democratic Party. We all need to learn to use a little more courage in the way we speak and stand up to Criminals and Neo-Cons.

BaScOmBe @ 36:

Big Bill Speaks!

After setting the table for the phuKKKing neocons and staying silent for 6 years, this corporatist piece of schitt want to pontificate?
He's only doing it for Hillary. I am not fooled.

Of course he's doing it for Hillary but it doesn't mean what he's saying isn't true and doesn't need to be said. And who says Bill's been silent for 6 years? Just because he's not on C&L video every week doesn't mean he's silent. Even so, for lack of better phrasing, you often have to side with the lesser of two evils. And Bill Clinton is far, far lesser evil than BushCo and the GOP

Shadowgm @ 50:

I'm ticked off that there aren't any visible Democrats pointing out the substance of the ad, rather than the 'outrage' from the GOP. It's gotten to the point that El Chimpo Grande was able to slide that in as the last question in his 'news conference' and no one noticed a guy who glossed over his entire last year of duty is standing in judgment of others.

And now, we have Hillabamawards all saying they can't guarantee complete troop withdrawal before 2013. Makes the 2006 'the American people elected us to get us out of Iraq' kind of a joke, and a bad one at that.

They have all been assimilated with the Borg. They know the town is on fire and they are just trying to hang on to their tickets for the last train out. And they don't want the rest of us to realize that it is the last train and that there are no more tickets.

"This is a great time to buy Enron stock!" - Ken Lay

ysbaddaden @ 64:

Ruthless People @ 53:

E Ryno @ 43:

The Clintons are different than the Bushes but they swim in the same tank. We just look in.

Well, we know they ride in the same golf cart. You see Bush 41 riding around with Bill Clinton more than you do his own sons. I must admit, that gives me pause too.

I've read that's because Clinton is more well mannered than georgie or jeb.

Who beyond hillbillies name their kids jeb?

James Ewell Brown Stuart (February 6, 1833 – May 12, 1864) was an American soldier from Virginia and a Confederate States Army general during the American Civil War. He was known to his friends as "Jeb".

Jeb Stuart Magruder (born November 5, 1934, New York City) was the second official in the administration of President Richard Nixon (the first was Fred LaRue) to plead guilty to charges of involvement in events leading to the Watergate first break-in and the subsequent Watergate scandal.

"JohnnyThief @ 32:

“these are the people that ran a television ad in Georgia with Max Cleland, who lost half his body in Vietnam, in the same ad with Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. That’s what Republicans do. And the person that rode into the Senate on that ad was there voting to condemn the Democrats over the Petraeus ad.”

Which senator is this?"

That would be the odious Saxby Chambliss. Even fellow Republicans John McCain and Chuck Hagel called the Cleland ad "worse than disgraceful," "reprehensible" and "beyond offensive." Chambliss voting to censor MoveOn's ad is hypocrisy at its GOP finest.

Juba @ 61:

PurplePatriot @ 34:

Heliogabalus @ 27:

The problem for the Democratic party is credibility & integrity, they are as dirty and corrupted as the republicans, Partners in crime. The only individual, Dennis Kucinich, who hasn't been complicit with the neo-con republican reign of utter corruption & deception is the candidate who doesn't have the slightest chance. Talk about perspicacity.....

Yes, yes. Kucinich is wonderful. Bluebirds follow him around singing a joyous song as unicorns prance under rainbows. Acknowledged. Unfortunately the rest of us shitty people live and work on the other side of the looking glass, Alice.

Patriot, give it a rest. Not everyone gets off on the Clintons like you do.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who is sick of your flame baiting comments.

What is it about the primary process you don't understand? Just because you're a pragmatic DLC enabler doesn't mean everyone else has to be one. God forbid, some of us actually try and vote for people who believe in progressive values.

This liberal Democrat likes Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich and Mike Ravel.

Juba @ 61:

What is it about the primary process you don't understand? Just because you're a pragmatic DLC enabler doesn't mean everyone else has to be one. God forbid, some of us actually try and vote for people who believe in progressive values.

I understand everything just fine. I do notice a difference between you and me, though. I can at least acknowledge validity, and at times agreement, with those who proclaim everyone except Kucinich as evil. But because I don't agree and hate 100% along with you, and think that there is a middle ground that may actually be acheivable, that makes me an asshole.

How about trying to pull out the positive parts of all of these positive messages that have turned you from the darkside, and present them in a logical, positive light. Show us why your way is better, instead of spending two sentences on it, then spending two paragraphs on why you hate everyone else.

And I hate to break it to you ... there are people here who are sick of what you post too. But I encourage you to continue in the dialog. Peace.

PurplePatriot @ 54:

Ruthless People @ 53:

E Ryno @ 43:

The Clintons are different than the Bushes but they swim in the same tank. We just look in.

Well, we know they ride in the same golf cart. You see Bush 41 riding around with Bill Clinton more than you do his own sons. I must admit, that gives me pause too.

I actually think that it makes Bush 41 seem much more intelligent.

Little doubt he's more intelligent than Bush 43, and would probably rather have Bill for a son than Bush 41, but still......

Well. I think both the Cons and the Dems are playing us for suckers at this point.

End Story

There is no reason to get all happy because Hillary is a liberal or that Bill is a liberal because they are not. They are middle of the road Democrats. Centrists. I would be curious what a neocon would say if you asked them what they don’t like about Hillary. What would Bill Kristal say? They just do not like the Clintons because they are one of “them”. Clinton was never a radical left wing liberal. And neither is Hill.

Oh! GoD! And did John King not bait and switch on the issue as well? Observe not a substantive approach to the issue of whether Bill Clinton is correct in what he was saying, but instead a deflection that it's people like Clinton who will unite a GOP because of this brand of alleged sour grapes.

Clinton's "long memory" (gee, is 7 years really that long?) was well-used here to point out hypocrisy, not to slake his taste for the angry retribution that they claim is his sole raison d'etre. I despise these people

PurplePatriot @ 37:

JohnnyThief @ 32:

"these are the people that ran a television ad in Georgia with Max Cleland, who lost half his body in Vietnam, in the same ad with Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. That’s what Republicans do. And the person that rode into the Senate on that ad was there voting to condemn the Democrats over the Petraeus ad."

Which senator is this?

Yes. An excellent point. Ideally, I would have loved to see every democrat in the senate say the same thing.

Chambliss?

E Ryno @ 72:

Juba @ 61:

PurplePatriot @ 34:

Heliogabalus @ 27:

Yes, yes. Kucinich is wonderful. Bluebirds follow him around singing a joyous song as unicorns prance under rainbows. Acknowledged. Unfortunately the rest of us shitty people live and work on the other side of the looking glass, Alice.

Patriot, give it a rest. Not everyone gets off on the Clintons like you do.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who is sick of your flame baiting comments.

What is it about the primary process you don't understand? Just because you're a pragmatic DLC enabler doesn't mean everyone else has to be one. God forbid, some of us actually try and vote for people who believe in progressive values.

This liberal Democrat likes Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich and Mike Ravel.

Tell us more about Ravel ... haven't heard of him. I'd love to hear about a new face. And Ron Paul? Wow. You must be in favor of every single private entity being able to do just about any unregulated damn thing they please.

L.A. Confidential @ 75:

Well. I think both the Cons and the Dems are playing us for suckers at this point.

End Story

Agreed. One of them wants to keep taking our money. The other wants our money and Armageddon.

The main reason I like the Clintons is because the right wing hate them and they don’t even know why they hate them. :lol:

It would be so nice to have him back in the White House!

Orangutan. @ 67:

About Time. Why is he the only one who can speak up on behalf of the Democratic Party. We all need to learn to use a little more courage in the way we speak and stand up to Criminals and Neo-Cons.

Because he's never running for public office again. The pussycrats in congress are worried about how they "look" -- kinda like Busholini's blinding interest in his "legacy".

PurplePatriot @ 78:

E Ryno @ 72:

Juba @ 61:

PurplePatriot @ 34:

Patriot, give it a rest. Not everyone gets off on the Clintons like you do.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who is sick of your flame baiting comments.

What is it about the primary process you don't understand? Just because you're a pragmatic DLC enabler doesn't mean everyone else has to be one. God forbid, some of us actually try and vote for people who believe in progressive values.

This liberal Democrat likes Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich and Mike Ravel.

Tell us more about Ravel ... haven't heard of him. I'd love to hear about a new face. And Ron Paul? Wow. You must be in favor of every single private entity being able to do just about any unregulated damn thing they please.

Ravel was a composer of classical music, wasn't he?

xoites defends Constitution @ 70:

ysbaddaden @ 64:

Ruthless People @ 53:

E Ryno @ 43:

Well, we know they ride in the same golf cart. You see Bush 41 riding around with Bill Clinton more than you do his own sons. I must admit, that gives me pause too.

I've read that's because Clinton is more well mannered than georgie or jeb.

Who beyond hillbillies name their kids jeb?

James Ewell Brown Stuart (February 6, 1833 – May 12, 1864) was an American soldier from Virginia and a Confederate States Army general during the American Civil War. He was known to his friends as "Jeb".

Jeb Stuart Magruder (born November 5, 1934, New York City) was the second official in the administration of President Richard Nixon (the first was Fred LaRue) to plead guilty to charges of involvement in events leading to the Watergate first break-in and the subsequent Watergate scandal.

So, were you just proving ysbad's point for him?

"Jeb" Bush is a nickname of his initials. john Ellis Bush.
Not that I give a sh*t.

“these are the people that ran a television ad in Georgia with Max Cleland, who lost half his body in Vietnam, in the same ad with Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. That’s what Republicans do. And the person that rode into the Senate on that ad was there voting to condemn the Democrats over the Petraeus ad.”

Which senator is this?

This clown: http://chambliss.senate.gov/public/index.cfm

Say what you will about President Clinton, the man is very intelligent and he can speak well without reading every damned word some speech writer wrote for him. He is absolutely right about the Petraeus crap. The repubs and some dems used MoveOn's ad as a red herring to take the focus off the fact that the damned war is still a bloody fu*king disaster and nothing is improving no matter what bs Petraeus said.

I saw Britney Hume on Sunday a couple weeks ago and he was so indignant that MoveOn did the ad you would have thought that the ad was really bad. Of course Britney didn’t dare compare it to Kerry being Swiftboated or Cleland being defamed.
Why are not more liberals coming out and saying what Bill Clinton is saying?

If you do a little research you will find that Hillary is just the new smiley face for the global rich man's club. I don't judge her for this, maybe its impossible to get to where she is without making certain arrangements. That being said, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Our country's material prosperity is based upon our association with the western empire and its strangle hold on the world's resources. This has lasted several hundred years and is unraveling before our eyes as the greatest army in the world is defeated by road side bombs.

In past mythology, the dragon guarded his stash of gold and virgins, neither of which were of any use to him (Joseph Cambell)

Biill, worry about your wife first. Why the hell is she feeding the Repug machine? Tell her to vote no on anything to Repugs proffer to congress.

PurplePatriot @ 78:

E Ryno @ 72:

Juba @ 61:

PurplePatriot @ 34:

Patriot, give it a rest. Not everyone gets off on the Clintons like you do.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who is sick of your flame baiting comments.

What is it about the primary process you don't understand? Just because you're a pragmatic DLC enabler doesn't mean everyone else has to be one. God forbid, some of us actually try and vote for people who believe in progressive values.

This liberal Democrat likes Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich and Mike Ravel.

Tell us more about Ravel ... haven't heard of him. I'd love to hear about a new face. And Ron Paul? Wow. You must be in favor of every single private entity being able to do just about any unregulated damn thing they please.

Strawman argument - I'm supporting people with souls - its a low bar I know - but that's my criteria

The right were waiting to pounce on the “Betray Us” thing. It was so obvious that someone sometime would use the pun. Fuck.

Oh. lordy:

Bill Clinton, 1998:

“Earlier today, I ordered America’s armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq’s nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.”

Okay, let's explain this again:

Before 1998, Saddam had WMD programs.

In 1998, Clinton bombed them out of existence.

After 1998, Saddam did not have WMD programs because they had been destroyed.

This is something we call "linear time." It's actually pretty straightforward.

GonzoD @ 81:

It would be so nice to have him back in the White House!

No, it would be Unconstitutional to have him back in the White House.

Otay @ 90:

Biill, worry about your wife first. Why the hell is she feeding the Repug machine? Tell her to vote no on anything to Repugs proffer to congress.

That's not really a great approach to anything. I am going to oppose something just because a Republican is for it? No, thanks.

Clinton did an outstanding job summarizing the concern trolls

these examples of hypocrisy bill uses here, the attacks on cleland and kerry, are examples of the power of the the talk radio monopoly- the invisible body blows that made the rove career. those swiftboat campaigns, and the moveon swiftboating, would have been exposed for their hypocrisy if not for the uncontested repetition only the TR monopoly can provide.

we do have a corporatized media but the hypohypocrisy and denial the GOP has been using to destroy democracy with would not have been possible without that synchronized uncontested repetition all day and week and month to tens of millions.

our lazy MSM talking heads still ride the limbaugh/hannity bandwagon all over us. the only reason the producers of the PBS lehrer newshour can have a gwynn ifill political panel talking about the edwards haircut as a defining characteristic of his campaign with straight faces is that the TR repetition catapulted it into the mainsteam weeks before.

the kerry swiftboating was primarily a national talk radio campaign before it could go anywhere into the MSM (except fox etc). GOP blowhard chickenhawks with giant microphones all over the country, nationally and locally, made the swiftboaters rich and famous and kept them busy for many months. the 'minutemen' got started that way.

Dems need to post transcripts of the major TR blowhards and respond directly and immediately to their distortions, lies, and swiftboating by waving signs and boycotting LOCAL talk radio stations that fill their local airwaves with the crap and candidates need to start wearing the attacks as a badge of honor on their websites and ads, refering to the limbaugh's and hannitys by name.

until then bill can get clips posted on blogs but progressives will keep taking political body blows and wonder what hit them afterwards.

xoites defends Constitution @ 94:

GonzoD @ 81:

It would be so nice to have him back in the White House!

No, it would be Unconstitutional to have him back in the White House.

What's a constitution?

Fools on the Hill @ 24:

Golly, I wish he'd get all testy over the killing of our troops in Iraq but, after all these years, it's an ad the gets him mad.

Eight more years of BS?

NO, see... this is what happens, people lose track of what's really going on. He's not upset about the ad (although he probably is and should be) he's upset about the GOP acting like "OMG! How dare those Dems attack one of our Generals!"

He's pissed about the hypocrisy. Remember his economy slogan...?
It's the hypocrisy, stupid!

The dumbocrats should have spoken out forcefully to the rethugs' blatant hypocricy of their never condemning the swift boaters or chambliss' disgusting ads against cleland -- NOT voted for cornholio's (cornyn) bullshit resolution!

"Venting his anger"? "An outburst like that"?
I didn't get that he was particularly angry. Just disgusted and dead serious.

And John King's remark that Clinton has "a L-O-N-G memory as he recites those ads" suggesting that Clinton can't move on... I guess anything past a year (a week?) is now considered to be a L-O-N-G time ago and not worth citing.

God, I hate the mainstream news.

xoites defends Constitution, it won't be unconstitutional if he's married to the president. If Hillary is elected, their daughter will be the first person in the history of the United States to be able to say her mother and her father were president of the United States. That's kind of cool.

Fanon @ 95:

Otay @ 90:

Biill, worry about your wife first. Why the hell is she feeding the Repug machine? Tell her to vote no on anything to Repugs proffer to congress.

That's not really a great approach to anything. I am going to oppose something just because a Republican is for it? No, thanks.

No, not because a Repug is for it, but because a Repug brings it to congress. Dems (and strong Dems, not pussy Dems) should be writing all of the legislation.

E Ryno @ 91:

I'm supporting people with souls - its a low bar I know - but that's my criteria

You missed the joke.

Otay @ 103:

Fanon @ 95:

Otay @ 90:

Biill, worry about your wife first. Why the hell is she feeding the Repug machine? Tell her to vote no on anything to Repugs proffer to congress.

That's not really a great approach to anything. I am going to oppose something just because a Republican is for it? No, thanks.

No, not because a Repug is for it, but because a Repug brings it to congress. Dems (and strong Dems, not pussy Dems) should be writing all of the legislation.

That's not how the system works. Our Founding Fathers intended Congress to be Enlightened, which means ration men (or persons) of sound character can work out their differences to a common good. Some like Washington wanted to avoid party politics, although it cropped up even while he was in office between the Federalists and the Anti-Federalists, and those who wanted to support the French Revolution, and those that opposed it.

nwj10 @ 101:

"Venting his anger"? "An outburst like that"?
I didn't get that he was particularly angry. Just disgusted and dead serious.

Oh, Clinton was pissed off alright. Very very pissed. You just don't know what he is like when he is pissed.

Saxby Chambliss is the senator who Clinton refers to who defeated Cleland with the help of the Israeli lobby.

Sam Fox is the Swift Boater who was appointed ambassador to Belgium.

"A co-founder of the Home Depot, Bernard Marcus, led an effort to swing Georgia's Jewish vote behind Mr. Chambliss, an unswerving ally of Israel in his four terms in Congress.

Even the Veterans of Foreign Wars endorsed Mr. Chambliss, not a veteran, over Mr. Cleland, once head of the Veterans Administration and winner of the Silver Star.

The race quickly shaped into a battle for the suburbs. Mr. Cleland, who won his first Senate term in 1996 by a scant 30,000 votes, ran strongly in the cities, while Mr. Chambliss, a friend to gun owners and an ardent foe of abortion, won handily in rural Georgia."

America is the terrorist. Not Iraq, Iran Afghanistan, Pakistan or Somalia....all nations currently being bombed or recently bombed by the U.S.

America is a fascist nation and it's people are the dumbest form of life that Earth has to offer.

The "liberal" websites like Daily Kos, Booman and inhabited by ex CIA (Including Markos Moulitsas) posters some of whom are pro torture (Larry Johnson).

It is disgusting to have to read the comments of liberals who are in effect for staying in Iraq under the guise of "planned withdrawal" instead of immediate withdrawal.

America is a disgusting nation. A shameful place to live. A disgrace to all humanity.

s/b rational men.

Is this the Cleland ad?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tKFYpd0q9nE

I miss Bill Clinton.

This is like the Clinton's bj. repugs like to pass laws to stifle discourse.

Please somebody take out another ad, this time bigger and dis (tell the truth) these turds.

repugs are cry-babies and bullies

JohnnyThief @ 32:

"these are the people that ran a television ad in Georgia with Max Cleland, who lost half his body in Vietnam, in the same ad with Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. That’s what Republicans do. And the person that rode into the Senate on that ad was there voting to condemn the Democrats over the Petraeus ad."

Which senator is this?

Saxby Chambliss (R), US Senator, Georgia

Did CNN's chief reporter talk about the issue that Bill Clinton was talking about? No! Instead he did an attack on Bill Clinton. Typical MSM tactic. On top of that, it was all bull. I am so sick of hearing lies and twisted truths coming from news programs that I have stopped watching them. This was another example. Clinton was totally right and I wrote to my House representative and told him how much I disapproved of his vote for the censure. Our government has turned into a joke but a dangerous joke.

GonzoD @ 83:

PurplePatriot @ 78:

E Ryno @ 72:

Juba @ 61:

This liberal Democrat likes Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich and Mike Ravel.

Tell us more about Ravel ... haven't heard of him. I'd love to hear about a new face. And Ron Paul? Wow. You must be in favor of every single private entity being able to do just about any unregulated damn thing they please.

Ravel was a composer of classical music, wasn't he?

When he had composer's block, did he ever unravel?

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ysbaddaden @ 105:

Otay @ 103:

Fanon @ 95:

Otay @ 90:

That's not really a great approach to anything. I am going to oppose something just because a Republican is for it? No, thanks.

No, not because a Repug is for it, but because a Repug brings it to congress. Dems (and strong Dems, not pussy Dems) should be writing all of the legislation.

That's not how the system works. Our Founding Fathers intended Congress to be Enlightened, which means ration men (or persons) of sound character can work out their differences to a common good. Some like Washington wanted to avoid party politics, although it cropped up even while he was in office between the Federalists and the Anti-Federalists, and those who wanted to support the French Revolution, and those that opposed it.

Right now, you have no choice. The Repugs are playing the Dems for fools - having them sway to the far-right to meet the Repugs in the "middle" while the Repugs don't give an inch. So Nancy and Harry should gain some spines and at the least not introduce legislation that has not been fully vetted by progressives. If it has the mark of the Repugs all over it, don't introduce it - force them to rewrite it.

Waco happened under your watch Bill C, Why wasn't Reno disciplined, You Mr X president could have stopped the murder of 100 men women and children.

I don't think King brought up an unexpected point - it's a pretty obvious one.

It's so great seeing Bill. I've come to think he was even a better President than I thought at the time.
When you read Richard Clarke's book and see how Bill forced everyone together to work on national threats - made them talk to each other. Clinton gets great points from Clarke.
When you hear Greenspan talking about Clinton and how he well he handled the economy - high points from Greenspan.

I was listening to John Dean talk about how the conservatives have been working to turn the Executive branch into an Imperial Presidency. How, when Republicans complained about Clinton's power, it was completely disingenuous since he just was using what he had been given as opposed to Reagan who was the one who ratcheted it up. And, of course, Bush Jr. and Cheney who are taking it to the limit --- going for an elected monarchy --- again - Republican who gives us a good view of Clinton....

And - BTW - in reading the comments - I do not get why people complain that Edwards has money. So what? He earned it. Does that mean he can't try and help middle and lower income families? That used to be the DUTY of people with money - you give back to earn the right to enjoy what you have. It used to be called "noblesse oblige" before some people gave that a sarcastic spin.......

Chris @ 112:

Did CNN's chief reporter talk about the issue that Bill Clinton was talking about? No! Instead he did an attack on Bill Clinton. Typical MSM tactic. On top of that, it was all bull. I am so sick of hearing lies and twisted truths coming from news programs that I have stopped watching them. This was another example. Clinton was totally right and I wrote to my House representative and told him how much I disapproved of his vote for the censure. Our government has turned into a joke but a dangerous joke.

Agreed... the WORST part of the report is that they didn't bother to address the REAL issue (Clinton's actual comments) instead opting to feature "The Anger and Outburst of Bill Clinton."

Stu Piddy @ 107: very sadly, I have come to the same conclusion.
I have hope in the long term, but not in the short.

MyGodBeatsYourGod @ 86:

“these are the people that ran a television ad in Georgia with Max Cleland, who lost half his body in Vietnam, in the same ad with Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. That’s what Republicans do. And the person that rode into the Senate on that ad was there voting to condemn the Democrats over the Petraeus ad.”

Which senator is this?

This clown: http://chambliss.senate.gov/public/index.cfm

Well, this is Georgia after all, one of the deepest red states in the nation. You don't have to go far outside the Atlanta perimeter to find these rednecks still fighting the civil war with confederate battle flags in their front yards. In upside down conservative land a triple amputee war veteran is a traitor compared to a reich wing combat dodging chickenhawk. These people can be lied, scared and religioned into voting for any far right conservative piece of shit and against there own best interests....that's why they're called dumb ass hicks.

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NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. President George W. Bush should follow the example set by Ronald Reagan in supporting efforts to protect the ozone layer by showing leadership in the fight against global warming, Al Gore said on Wednesday.

Uh, okay.

Rush to War @ 116:

Waco happened under your watch Bill C, Why wasn't Reno disciplined, You Mr X president could have stopped the murder of 100 men women and children.

That had 3 Congressional Investigations, including the last one which was headed by a Republican, and it was found to be mass suicide murder. The Davidians were an apocolyptical Christian cult, and such are prone to such extreme acts.

The one who should've gotten disciplined was the reporter who tipped off Mt. Carmel the feds were coming to get a good quote for his story.

The reichwing provoked the showdown, by using the long delay to fault Clinton's administration, but that was because they were concerned of an outcome that did indeed come to pass, and then the reichwing shed crocodile tears.

Greg @ 10:

I caught this this morning. God I miss this man as president.

Me too.

I'm irritated at Blitzer's repeated attempts to portray this as an instance of Bill Clinton venting "anger." And I take issue with Nicole Belle's repetition of that claim (which may juice up reader interest, but does not comport with the video). I didn't see a "visibly angry" Clinton in this clip, but rather a firm rhetorical smackdown. Clinton v. Fox's Wallace, that was classic red-faced veins-a-poppin' ragin' Clinton. This was strong, factual and long overdue, but not angry.

The Moveon Ad is not the problem.

The real issue is the actions and continuing lies of paid propagandists of the Bush / Cheney Crime Family.

The real problem is Richard B. Cheney, George W. Bush and other civil officers have committed Treason, Bribery, Fraud, Profiteering and High Crimes AGAINST the United States, our public institutions, our people and the World. We Stand with U.S. Attorneys, Soldiers, their Families, Veterans, Patriots and millions of Americans who are trying to STOP THEM before they further destroy our Country.

WE HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS LEVEL OF HIGH CRIMES, ILLEGAL CONDUCT, OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, PROPAGANDA OR CRIMINAL COVERUP. EVER

America. A Great and Good Nation.

UNITED WE STAND. WITH THE TRUTH.
--> A CRIMINAL ADMINISTRATION AND A CORRUPT COMPLICIT MEDIA CAN NO LONGER DECEIVE OR DIVIDE US

Speaking of Chambliss. I think those black folks were photo shopped in? http://chambliss.senate.gov/public/index.cfm I doubt Chambliss has been that close to black folk without a sheet over his head.

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L.A. Confidential @ 122:

NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. President George W. Bush should follow the example set by Ronald Reagan in supporting efforts to protect the ozone layer by showing leadership in the fight against global warming, Al Gore said on Wednesday.

Uh, okay.

Now THAT's acting. Is Gore going for another Oscar?

DFAL @ 22:

Bill Clinton, 1998:

"Earlier today, I ordered America’s armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq’s nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors."

Bill Clinton is a pathological liar, as are all Democrats.

but, but, Clinton....sniff, sniff

We get your point. All Democrats are pathological liars, and all Republicans are paragons of truth and honesty. Riiiiiiiight...............

Rick Hunter @ 130:

What will we talk about once Bush is gone?

How long it might take to fix everything he's broken.

Rick Hunter @ 130:

What will we talk about once Bush is gone?

How American was once a great country before he ran it into the ground?

Rick Hunter @ 130:

What will we talk about once Bush is gone?

Hillary

Ruthless People @ 134:

Rick Hunter @ 130:

What will we talk about once Bush is gone?

How American was once a great country before he ran it into the ground?

oops....Bushism

Rick Hunter @ 130:

What will we talk about once Bush is gone?

While the nomination and presidential election is far from a forgone conclusion, the way things are going ... this site may very well become the forum for Hillary-hate and impeachment demands.

Passion. Bill has passion. What I would not do to have him in office or running for office for that matter.

Good for Bill.

Now ask yourself this: If Senate Republicans introduced a measure to condemn Clinton's remarks, how many Dems would go along with it?

Rick Hunter @ 130:

What will we talk about once Bush is gone?

Bush won't be 'gone' even after January 20, 2009 ... not even the entire GDP spent on air fresheners will cleanse the stench and the crusted-on layer of scum covering America.

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The Smiths Go To Washington @ 126:

The Moveon Ad is not the problem.

The real issue is the actions and continuing lies of paid propagandists of the Bush / Cheney Crime Family.

The real problem is Richard B. Cheney, George W. Bush and other civil officers have committed Treason, Bribery, Fraud, Profiteering and High Crimes AGAINST the United States, our public institutions, our people and the World. We Stand with U.S. Attorneys, Soldiers, their Families, Veterans, Patriots and millions of Americans who are trying to STOP THEM before they further destroy our Country.

WE HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS LEVEL OF HIGH CRIMES, ILLEGAL CONDUCT, OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, PROPAGANDA OR CRIMINAL COVERUP. EVER

America. A Great and Good Nation.

UNITED WE STAND. WITH THE TRUTH.
--> A CRIMINAL ADMINISTRATION AND A CORRUPT COMPLICIT MEDIA CAN NO LONGER DECEIVE OR DIVIDE US

And yet dear Nancy still squawks "impeachment is off the table". F*ck you Peloser!!!

Rick Hunter @ 141:

PurplePatriot,
I won't attack Hillary.
She's the leader of my Party!
I will support her and hope that we make here President for life!
How dare anyone here criticize her!
That will be forbidden!

Now, now. You asked a question and I answered. Let's not put words in my mouth.

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Excerpts from a recent speech by Daniel Ellsberg:

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/092607a.html

Captain Kangaroo @ 45:

The god damn liberals should be screaming what Bill Clinton is saying instead of caving in to these stupid congressional bills that they are voting for. They should be saying “Stop wasting our time!” and pulling out all the stuff the right wing has done over the last few years. What about this and this and this and this and this and this. PUSH BACK.

the catch is: they are NOT liberal. they are feeding at the same trough as the repugs. they simply do not feed off the 'southern' base like the repugs. looking at the 76-22 vote in the senate on Iran yesterday, I am convinced that they are conveying the message of who is really in charge and how well coordinated the effort is to move us to corporo-fascism.

PurplePatriot @ 137:

Rick Hunter @ 130:

What will we talk about once Bush is gone?

While the nomination and presidential election is far from a forgone conclusion, the way things are going ... this site may very well become the forum for Hillary-hate and impeachment demands.

The Republicans will be pushing for the impeachment of Hillary because of Lewinsky by making the case that Hillary is joined to Bill by marriage and therefore should be impeached for her husband's transgressions that occured 10 years earlier because of the legal bond of marriage that links them.

Republicans on the Supreme Court overthrew one election by installing Chimp and Republicans in congress tried to overthrow another election by impeaching Bill over Lewinsky. I wouldn't put ANYTHING past these anti-American, anti-Democratic treasonous scumbags.

As for twofers, there is no question about whether Bush was surrounded by his Daddy's people to aid him as the more experienced attack dogs for his administration, and also to help position him to carry out his administrative misdeeds.

So if Clinton is in there pitching with Hillary, as attack dog or not, it is no different than the situation we now have, having had already a dynasty of equally measurable closeness, if not more close, a father and son working together but remotely. What Republicans criticize and may fear is what they already know from experience.

The question is whether now America hasn't become a two-fer nation because of the complexity of trying to manage itself in a global world of enormous magnitude that exerts undue influence upon every aspect of American life.

If two-fers are deemed necessary by Republicans, why should they not be deemed necessary by Democrats? It may yet take such a two-fer to clean up the real global mess that Bush is leaving behind which far exceeds the claimed messes left by Clinton and his crew.

Two-fer hypocrisy needs to be recognized for its value as well as for its fallacy, folly, and double standard as proposed by Republicans seeking a foothold for respectability and credibility. Leaving our government in a shambles isn't commendable, regardless of who or which party claims to know best.

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