Hardball: To withdraw immediately or not to withdraw immediately, that is the question
By Nicole Belle Thursday Sep 27, 2007 1:33pm 
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To his credit, Chris Matthews has been pretty consistently anti-Iraq War since the beginning (a fact that makes his embarassingly overt man-crush on George Bush and Fred Thompson all that much more puzzling). So it should be no surprise that Matthews wanted to discuss the fact that none of the top tier Democrat presidential contenders would promise to have troops removed from Iraq by the end of his or her first term.
So Matthews brings on Jim Moran (D-VA) and Trent Franks (R-AZ) to discuss the possibility of pulling the troops out of Iraq. Guess which one came equipped with knowledge of the situation on the ground and the geo-political forces at work and which one came equipped with talking points? Even Matthews got fed up at one point when it became obvious that the only thing Trent "Nuclear IEDs HERE!" Franks knew was the word "freedom" and had no concept of Sunni vs. Shia.
The question that he quoted at the beginning is from Drew Westen at The New Republic:
The question Democrats have never asked Republicans since the war began is the only one that really matters: Would you send your own child to die in Iraq? And if so, have you done everything you can to convince your children that, if this is truly the war you say it is--for our freedom, for our very way of life, to keep the terrorists "over there" so that we don't fight them "over here"--they should drop their lucrative investment banking careers and be all they can be in Baghdad?
As Jim Moran said, spot on.
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The truth is real men don't like to pull out.
I don't think we'll see a huge outpouring of Young-Republicans running down to enlist.
The press is right now spending hours on bodies found in cars, missing wife pieces etc.
But the have completely ignored the really pressing issues of having Mercenary forces in "Iraq that outnumber enlisted troops, and being suspect of smuggling weapons illegally into Iraq and ramping up to warring with Iran."
the voters in the 2nd district of AZ should be ashamed of themselves for putting that idiot in congress.
patthemonkey @ 1:
Real men are prepared before-- or whether-- they go in.
My GOD! Trent Franks is a moron. Hey Arizona wake the fuck up already. Find someone to represent you that isn't a right wing parrot! Oh, sorry, I live in Texas. We have Cornyn............
Matthews "Man Crush" on bush and tompson is due to the fact that Matthews wants to have sex with most humans, as he's shown several times by harassing his female guests ON AIR.
hadenuf @ 5:
cleh-ver
MarcyJ @ 6:
John Cornyn sent me a nice email bragging about nailing MoneOn and how because the surge is such a great success, we're gonna unsurge.
hadenuf @ 5:
Or if not...
That is one weird dumbass republican there. Just spouting fascist Jihad propaganda and acting straight faced. Meanwhile he has no idea which faction he wants to have standing in the so called "free" Iraq. He dropped all the standard talking points. Fear of a nuclear device going off in the U.S., Bin Laden made Iraq the battleground..... blah, blah, blah. All lies to continue on with their reign of crap for political gain, defense of Israel and need of oil. Why didn't Tweety ask him if his "childrens" is serving? Hell the enlistment age has been increased. Why isn't he serving?
Frank's moronic diatribe is a shell made of words he doesn't really understand. To him, Shia and Suny are all the same, meanwhile Al Queda (a very small fraction of the problem) is who he continues to focus on.
I'd give him this: The War is illegal, the Whitehouse is breaking the laws of our Constitution, ..... Will he agree that those who Lied us into this war are the REAL War Criminals and be put on trial as soon as we got them out of office?
bushater @ 3:
not to mention the TRUE number of american casualties in iraq--the number that includes troops AND mercenaries/war profiteers. the flag-wrapped MSM reports on less than half of the american personnel in iraq.
reason: the security provided for journalists in iraq is provided by mercenary forces.
GOP is reduced to platitudes. They are bereft of ideas and morally bankrupt.
At least the democrats have angst about their lack of leadership.
Franks looks and sounds like a zombie.
Samson- @ 13:
The Pentagon employs more mercenaries and pays them much better. Obviously the Pentagon has much more respect for hired guns, than volunteers.
they should drop their lucrative investment banking careers and be all they can be in Baghdad?
A question that should be put to Mitt Romney at the beginning and end of EVERY press conference he holds.....
What about YOUR 5 kids.
Dislike McCain all you will, HIS son is in Iraq right now.
The rest of the Republics? Fred, Rudy, Mitt...
Not even a Nephew or Niece anywhere near the battle.
HOW in God's name just the press sleep at night, for never
asking these Chicken-hawks that...
Does the RNC give them a script to memorize?
What an idiot!
Nice hairlip, fuckface. Mreedom in Inok!!!
Why didn't he just say: I am against anything and everything Hillary Clinton is for, and anything she says is a lie. It would save a lot of time....
the problem that matthews did yesterday was that he was trying to present the dems response during the debate .. 'can't promise that all troops will be withdrawn' .. which was the question that the corporate slut russert asked .. very differently yesterday on his show ..he tried to represent this as if the dems would be leaving all the troops in iraq .. ala shitstain bush .. wanted to blur that line ... in fact the issue was 'all the troops home' in four years .. and that is what clinton et all reacted too .. this is typical of repiglican cumslut matthews .. which is why is was given the 'misinformer' of the year award by media matters ...
that representive from arizona actually is not a human ... that 'thing' is simply a secretion out of the asshole of lucifer itself .. a fucking evil robot ...
JeeBUs..they all sucked! The Democratic candidates did not as Tweety stated say "we need to stay in Iraq until 2010 " or whatever..they said they cannot see a way out that is quicker than that. They said that undoing this mess is going to take time..they did not say they supported war.The GOP doofus in this clip sang a talking point to the tune of the Democrats just say what the audience wants to hear..Really? The audience was almost entirely democratic and I don't think that group wants "war fo-evaaahh...!!!!. I did not see him get called down for that stupid quip. The Gooper came armed with ludicrous, long discredited talking points and at onepaoint stated that the leadership of Al Q, OBL and the boys, see Iraq as their central battle front. Says who? OBL never said that and we have not a clue how he perceives his mission..we DONT KNOW WHERE HE IS!!!.
We can go on and on. The Democrat blew several chances to shoot this idiot down and failed to do so. Tweety nursed it along.
Like I said...JeeBUs!
Jim Moran is awesome, one of my favorite congressman. Sure he and I have differing views on trade but he is one of the very few, perhaps the only congressmen who has the courage to stand up against the Jewish lobby.
Ahh, but if you're only fighting this war for ego, oil, Halliburton profits, and so Blackwater mercenaries (is it 180,000?) can pocket $100,000 a year while the President vetoes legislation that would give combat troops (aka phony soldiers) adequate time off and a 30-cents-an-hour pay raise, then you're a TRUE American... I mean, TRUE Republican.
Congressman Trent Stepford (R-AZ)
The Carpenter @ 19:
Whoa ... now that was a funny quip.
Fhranks for the chunckle ... LOL...!!!
Hi, fellow intelligentsia! Wow, Trent Franks is a real asshat~!
Talking about to withdraw or not to withdraw
I always like those ads in the local weekly where women will charge $80 in and $150 out, and I'm left wondering if that means each time you go in and out of her?
Weaseldog @ 16:
the civilian overlords of the pentagon are worshippers at the foot of mammon's alter of privatization. not to mention the money injected into the political coffers of decision makers by those making soooo much money off of war.
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bushater @ 26:
not to mention the TRUE number of american casualties in iraq--the number that includes troops AND mercenaries/war profiteers. the flag-wrapped MSM reports on less than half of the american personnel in iraq.
reason: the security provided for journalists in iraq is provided by mercenary forces.
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you guys are both going to hell for that.
besides i'm pretty sure it was elective surgery. he wasn't born with a republican smirk he had to buy one.
dammit--WITHOUT
As a 25 year military veteran who served in Iraq, I feel compelled to say my GOD, what a dumbass Franks is.
Franks says he believes that Al Qaeda is the main threat in Iraq. That view is one hundred percent wrong -- there is a group in Iraq that CALLS itself Al Qaeda, but it has no real connection to THE Al Qaeda, and it's responsible for only a tiny number of the attacks on Americans in Iraq.
Franks clearly doesn't know the difference between Sunni and Shia and he doesn't know the Iraqi history of these two groups. Saddam's Sunni minority ruled Iraq and oppressed the Shia majority, also involving the Iraqi Shia in a war with Iran, which is a Shia nation. The Shia are now running Iraq, and they want closer relations with Iran and payback on the Iraqi Sunni who used to oppress them.
At the moment, the Shia are running the Iraqi government, and the Sunni won't join them in a unified effort. Instead, the Sunni carry out attacks on Americans and Iraqi Shia in an effort to reestablish Sunni control over Iraq. The end result of the US invasion and occupation, whenever it comes, is going to be a Shia religious government that's sympathetic to Iran, oppresses Sunnis, and disregards the rights of women and other minorities inside Iraq. There's no question that's what will happen because of America's mistakes, the only question is when.
In addition, the US is creating a situation where the pro-Iran Shia are governing Iraq at the same time we're threatening war with Shia Iran, so we're working at cross purposes.
In addition, the US is doing NOTHING to stop the main supplier of weapons and money to the Sunnis that are carrying out the attacks in Iraq -- namely, Saudi Arabia.
Further, the US is doing almost nothing to actually carry the fight to the REAL terrorists -- the ACTUAL Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan, the guys who attacked America in 2001.
All of this is playing into the hands of America's enemies -- we're not catching and punishing real terrorists, we're allowing those who support the insurgents in Iraq to do so with impunity, we're working at cross purposes when it comes to Iraq and Iran, and we're slowly grinding down America's military in an Iraq occupation that WILL NOT produce any long term benefit to the United States, Iraq, or anyone else.
That Democrats in Congress and running for President are willing to continue this debacle shows how badly they've judged the situation on the ground. It also shows that they've misjudged the will of the American people -- we know we were lied to, we know there's no good end to the Iraq occupation, and we know it needs to stop NOW. Instead, from some Democrats we get temporizing, buck passing, dodging, bobbing and weaving. From others, we get continued blind support for the Bush administration's failed policy.
Franks and the rest of the Bushbots in Congress should be ashamed of their ignorance and their support of a failed policy that's based on lies.
The Democrats who continue to support it should be more ashamed, because they know better.
God bless Jim Moran for putting the lie to Franks' comments on Hardball.
oh screw it, don't post while stoned.
Jenny'O @ 30:
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you guys are both going to hell for that.
besides i'm pretty sure it was elective surgery. he wasn't born with a republican smirk he had to buy one.
You mean there's more to hell than Bush the GOP has created....
Wonder what he paid for that lip?
Jenny'O @ 33:
Your doing fine JennyO' you have to get a bit of the diff in order to watch the news anymore.
America cannot get out because it is about oil. The U.S. has to maintain access and control. Full stop.
Looks like someone needs a visit from the Smile Train....
1st Republic 14th Star @ 32:
Nice piece. I also read that there are somewhere around 50 different Shia groups in Southern Iraq area alone. All fighting for power amongst themselves. Yeah, like this ever stood a chance at ending well.
Arizonans have their heads up their asses. Proof? Bush has a 50% approval rating there...Enuff said?
Is it just me or do the GOP remind you of the Cybermen from Doctor Who?
We are not leaving Iraq for at least another 5 or 6 years. The powers that be will not allow such a thing. Bet on it. There's too much work to be done setting up the oil infrastructure. If it means distracting the American public, then so be it. They have a plan in case it looks like things are headed that way.
This Trent Franks guy is the epitome of obstinate, wrongheaded, reactionary decision making.
He stubbornly and continuously spouts some half-baked, lofty ideal about how he wants the side of "freedom" to prevail in Iraq, but can't even begin to tell you what circumstance would allow that to happen, given the real world facts of a land cobbled together out of various not-so-friendly religious sects and ancient tribal divisions, caught up in a viscious bloody civil war. Franks shrugs this off...Sunni, Shia, whatever, just give 'em the vote and let them shop at Walmart's and everything will be just dandy. Sure maybe it'll take 50 years of our kids blood being spent in the desrt, but that's a "small price to pay". This little pipe-dream of a Western-style Jeffersonian democracy flowering along the Euphrates, imposed at the point of an American bayonet, would be pathetic if it weren't so tragic for all the families of the dead and wounded.
Just like the neo-con dimwits and criminals who dragged the US into this debacle, Franks apparently believes the US military can somehow re-shape bedrock political, social and religious facts of life to fit some concept dreamed up in a think tank.
We've been driven into the ditch but we still need to pry their fingers off the steering wheel.
As an Arizona resident, allow me to apologize for our share of congressional idiots. Trent Franks, Rick Renzi, John McCain, John Kyl....it never ends. The heat just seems to boil the brains out of some people.
GOPBullshit @ 23:
Hmmm...Jewish lobby...
Peter @ 40:
Like these?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ-lJpL2oVg
There really is a complete disconnect with reality when it comes to these republicans. When I listened to that man speak, I started to wonder if he might be a little slow, perhaps even handicapped. I know that's terrible to say, but that was what I thought. Everything coming out of his mouth was some form of slogan or talking point. Not one single original thought. What is "liberal intelligencia"? Is this some phrase they made up to sound intelligent?
Peter @ 40:
Good form. Nice reference. But I always thought the GOP more as the Borg.
Anyhoo... putting my geekness aside.
Now, I mean this with the upmost respect for Trent Franks and the good people of Arizona that he represents, but he's a fucking idiot. He sounds a lot like the douchebag from Oklahoma (Inhofe), who thinks the Weather Channel dreamed up Global Warming to get ratings.
Lets face it, what do the warmongers have to stand on at this point with regards to Iraq?
Nothing.....That is why they sound almost robotic in their defensive posturing..
Notably, "fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here". or " To bring
freedom and democracy to their country". What a tired act these people are.
If they question is whether to withdraw or not, maybe we should've gone in with proper prophylactics.
it's not your fault c. atrox, i'm from kentucky and the best we have is blue bush dem. ben 'i got republican hair, whaddaya expeck?' chandler.
http://chandler.house.gov/PhotoGallery.aspx?GalleryID=84
we also have mitch 'eww!' mcconnell
http://mcconnell.senate.gov/official_photos.cfm
and jim 'rubber stamp, seat holder, er uh duh?' bunning.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.onenewsnow.com/images/...
we even have a state rep. named geoff davis--surprise-a republican. no doubt from a nice right wing old south style thinking family of nice christian white folks.
complete list of clowns: http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/cgi-bin/newseek.cgi?site=ctc&state=ky
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a tiny note about bunnings photo link. i found bigger goofier pics of him but i choose this one because the site i found it at was a right wing distribution point for right wing causes, comments, heros and villans/the democrat party.
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and about the chandler link--in this photo you see chandler in my home county patronizing a blue collar worker at one of the nastiest sweat shop japanese factories in the state...but hey it's better than plucking chickens for minimum wage! :)
Unbelievable statements from the the Republican Congressman. Are these guys plugged into a mind drug that makes them say the same thing. "A government that is free and with democratic principals in Iraq." Well... I want: "Dick Cheney to give himself up to the Hague and grovel for what little redemption he might be able to receive." Neither are likely or even remotely possible.
New "Supercharged" Terror bits! Put the jahanum back in your morning jihad! Im going to send that guy a douchebag in the mail.. fucker. I love how the can of shit they opened up is now somebody else's fault and now it's a "supercharged" hotbed for terror. These people are way more suited to writing books on mythology!
That was a pretty good exchange in the video. It clearly showed that Franks didn't know what he was talking about, and Moran did. To say that you want "freedom" to win when asked which side should, is crazy. Is "Freedom" going to shoot a gun, or vote in the government? Let "Freedom" muster a bunch of troops and fight so that we can leave. What an idiot. That's why Bushco and the Repub-bots can't win this war. They don't even know who is fighting it. Bush has never understood the tribal, religious, and social issues that are driving this war, and the rest of the republicans don't want to know.
I'll be glad when we have a Democrat in the white house and a Democratic super majority in both houses. Then we can begin to fix the mess that the republicans have made.
"I want freedom to win!!!!!!"
What a Republican putz. When will just one of you drooling pro-war fuckers come up with an actual quantifiable answer, instead of stupid, nebulous jingoism?
The one dude was brain dead, he had a cord on his back he kept pulling.
The Carpenter @ 19:
the GOP is gonna have to get better at constructing these robot congressmen... this one's face is melting
must've been made in China
ronnyg @ 44:
That's exactly how the Israelis refer to it. The Jewish lobby in
America. Probably in an attempt to give the impression that "the lobby" speaks for all Jews, which is hardly the case. I think the term "Israel Lobby" is more appropriate, because there are plenty of people that I would consider part of the Israel Lobby that aren't Jewish.
The Re-Thugs all read propaganda from the same script provided by "The Ruling Party". Any informed person can see thru this BS.
#1 This guy Franks is an idiot of the 9th magnitude.
#2 To answer the question about why are the "Top 3" candidates stating that they are going to stay in Iraq? That's easy, all three of them are corporatist whores, stealth Republicrits. I hope their statement finally makes it clear that corporatists can NEVER be trusted. If Clinton, Obamma or Edwards are elected, nothing is going to change. There's a goddamned reason why Rupert Murdoch has provided fund raising assistance to the corporatist candidate HRC.
#3 Kucinich is the only person running who has shown by his deeds to possess the integrity. Dodd is looking pretty good too, as is Gravel.
this stooge trent franks makes the same idiotic argument most republicans make when boosting for the iraq war.
"osama himself says iraq is the front line..."
of course osama says iraq is the frontline you republican nits. the longer we stay there the more we wreck our military, economy, world standing, constitution, and miss the real target in pakistan.
osama must go to sleep every night laughing his ass off.
Alright, I just watched that buffoon from Arizona. There must be something in the water. Even that tool J D Hayworth had more polish than this guy. It doesn't bode well for our country if this is what we send to Washington. This guy is simply clueless as to what the situation is in Iraq. After seeing Matthews' reaction to his answers I doubt if he will be on again. Having said that, Trent Franks pretty much sums up the current republican party and the conservative agenda. What is it with the South and Southwest regions in our country anyway? Are they subjected to a Kim Jong-Il-like propaganda blitz or something?
No, Matthews was a cheerleader at the beginning.
Do you think the GOP must undergo mandatory brainwashing to be party members? They're like broken records. They don't answer questions, just repeat the same gibberish, ad nauseum.
This is an interesting article on why "...Iran’s Revolutionary Guard leadership actually wants the United States to attack Iran, and is attempting to provoke it to do so." (William Pfaff)
http://www.williampfaff.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=254
They're both wrong. There is no military solution to terrorism, simply because anyone at anytime can engage in terroristic tactics. In fact, I'm willing to be that the more violent the response to terrorism to more terrorism we'll see. From what experts have said (and my own non-violent instincts), the only effective ways to fight it are economically and diplomatically.
nuclear IEDs in America...
the liberal intelligentsia...
number one foe in Iraq is al Qeada...
storyline, storyline, storyline...
none of it true..
freedom and 9/11
When I see the phrase " top tier Democrat presidential contenders" and I know that people are
referring to Clinton, Edwards and Obama it makes me want to vomit.
Nuclear IED's?? Holy Shit!! So much for my plan to up-armor my F-150 pickup.
This Trent Franks guy has a serious problem in that he seems to be blocking out any and everything possible that would get him to see that this coarse that republicans are on is very damaging and that they will never succeed in Iraq.
The brown people in that country are angry at the US and they are determined to kill any and all of our kids to send the strong message, they want us to get the hell out of their house and unlike republicans, many of us can understand this thinking, because there is no way no how we would allow anyone to blast into this country and do what the hell they have done to those people for no reason and to continue spewing the lying ass Bush sentiments, just brings more anger and more of our young people die.
We have to realize that they are watching this shit also, unlike the US, trying to cover up information to us, that is not the case outside of the US.
They know we are liars and now they think we are all full of shit because of these ass holes that refuse to see the light.
screw the democrats...
will be voting against them if their nominee doesn't commit to getting out of iraq...
Never heard of this guy Franks till I saw him on Hardball It's depressing that American voters sent a freaking dimwit like him to D.C. He's barely literate. How does it happen that intellectually challenged fools ascend to national leadership positions?
What an idiot, a typical republican idiot. Not only a hare-lip, but a hare-brain too.
Weaseldog @ 9:
Winning over here so we can keep losing over there.
Matthews ,With His Republican Face, Attacks The Democrats
During the night of the debate, as many viewers watched the pre-commentary of Chris Matthews, the biggest concern for the night was not how Hillary Clinton answered questions now and in the past. To see Matthews take off the gloves to attack the Democratic candidates signaled a new threat facing the 2008 presidential election.
First off, Matthews could not stop talking about how Clinton should be beaten by the other Democratic candidates. Over and over again, he outlined ways to bring Clinton down. Any armature can revisit the transcripts to point out how Matthews seemed to be overly invested in Clinton's downfall. If the Clinton camp don't use and exploit this fact, they will be fools. It points to a strong bias and one man's personal obsession with the front runner of the Democratic presidential campaign.
At first, it appeared to be "the Matthews wants Hillary defeated" show, and before the actual debate, it was just that. After the debate, Matthews opened up his bag of bias to include mischaracterizations of the three front runners. His over analytical interpretation of how they would end the war was turned into a all day commentary of how the Democrats lied to take over congress. "They said they would end the war; now they won't even make a promised to do so," Matthews said. Matthews earned a bag of Republican money for the last two days.
This right-wing Fox news wanabe journalism has got to stop. The imbalance is unsettling. I am really tired of watching day after day TV personalities distort very important factors involving the core structure and processes of our government. My next stop will be to voice my concerns and outrage for a very important issue facing our nation. Yes, it's time to turn the media in for the wrongs they are putting before the American people.
Joseph
What a coward Trent Franks proves to be, he couldn't even answer the question of who should win Sunni or Shia. He advocates going into Iran but he criticizes Jim Moran for saying we should be fighting the real Al Queida (if you believe there really is one) where they can be found which is NOT in Iraq.
What a putz!
#75: If true, that would be a good thing Tweety has done, for a change. Hillary would be another Bush, a total Israel suckass and a disaster for the US.
Matthews didn't become so anti-Bush and the whole war effort until they got the administration implicated him into the Libbey/Plame affair. I believe it was where they suggested he had badmouthed Tim Russert regarding who said and was told what.
He's been all over Bush since then. Prior to that, he was constantly drooling about Bush's codpiece when he landed on the "Mission Accomplished" ship.
Moran vs. Moron. Sounds like one of those "Mothra" movies I loved as a kid.
Terri M. @ 79:
I remember those Mothra movies, and I loved them. I guess I am not the only Japanese movie lover up in here.
Joseph
I apologize to everyone in America -- Trent Franks is my Congresscritter, and he is an absolute moron.
Don @ 81:
Apology accepted, except I get the feeling you didn't vote for that imbecile.
> "The question Democrats have never asked Republicans...?"
wahfug? The *DEMOCRATS* should be asking this? What about YOU, Chris?!?
What a waste of space.
Trent Franks acts like he is some sort of General.
The reality that escapes Trent Franks is that, "he says Iraq is the front line for Al Qeda ". But actually, the front line is, Where ever the U.S. decides that front line is ".
Should have stay in Afghanistan and now we are in a Quagmire. Republican screwballs....................
whether Trent Franks is a moron or not is irrelevant. US is suffering while MNCs etc may be plifering Iraqi oil deposits, the cost is being debited to the average American. Buffoons suggest nuking everybody on earth. It may not be that simple.
By the time tne next President steps in, the US would have raised an incredible deficit which would be hard to pay up. This is what should be addressed by the people.
timmm @ 71:
The Republicans thank you for your support.
I think I've only commented here once in the year or so that I've been a reader, but I'm compelled to comment about this piece. It is well-done. It's very well written and so easy to understand even FOX viewers might finally be able to grasp how utterly brainwashed they are.
bushater @ 35:
1st Republic 14th Star @ 32:
Oh, I too am stoned. I've had to be for the last 6 years.
Bob Roberts @ 87:
I assume you mean the republicans who call themselves Democrats, but really aren't.
I hate those bastards. They are worse than real republicans.
Sadly there isn't a Democrat with enough charisma in Arizona's CD-02 to bring Trent Franks down. Certainly not on the issues. He represents a very right wing, almost fascist CD - one that - as one constituent told me - wants only to elect someone just like them. Well, they've got one. Trent Franks has no education, is tied up with Haliburton and is technically ignorant on just about every issue. Right now with Arizonans dying in Iraq along with our kids from across the nation, (and many illegal immigrants) Franks' big issue is getting bills passed Congress on the "untouchables" in India.
But - as much as I despise him for his politics, the cheap shots about his face are absolutely unacceptable. Trent Franks works very hard to help kids with facial deformities find medical care. And for that I commend him. He knows what it's like to have a facial deformity - and he's risen above it and made a public life in the face of stupid, pig-ignorant, sneering comments like yours. Franks helps kids with hairlips learn to do the same. I never thought the day would come when I defended Trent Franks - but on that issue - and THAT issue ALONE - I say bravo, you're doing a great job and making one hell of a difference.
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