Bill Moyers on the fallen: Can you find a "phony" in the bunch?
By Nicole Belle Friday Sep 28, 2007 9:15pm
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Though he has far more class than to say so explicitly, I suspect that Bill Moyers was upset by Rush Limbaugh's statement that any troop member advocating withdrawal was a "phony soldier". He looks at the seven soldiers who penned the op-ed in the NY Times questioning why remain in Iraq and the tragic price three have paid.
Funny, none of them look remotely phony to me, Rush...
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frist!!!!!
Hell, don't feel so bad. I just came from a liberal website and read some comments from some so called granola munching hippies that felt we had to stay in Iraq to prevent genocide....we broke it we own it. I had to leave before I went all Strawberry on 'em.
Moyer always speaks of our better selves. He addresses us all as if we are intelligent and compassionate human beings. Rush calls out the basest of human emotions - resentment. He thrives on calling out the worst of our humanity. Moyers had been demonized and riduculed by those who follow Rush.
However, I suspect they are far fewer than Rush would have us believe.
What a terrible little man he is. I often think that the mark of our humanity is our ability to feel empathy and express repentance.
Rush simply does not have the ability to feel empathy, nor the ability to every express repentance. George Bush does not seem to have either ability either. What does that say about us - the people.?
Not to mention PAT TILLMAN.Did I just mention PAT TILLMAN, well may George be haunted by his memory till he goes completly insane and may George never find peace!
Bob Ceska wrote a very good story about the difference between WWII and Bush's War. While he doesn't mention Rush by name, he does point out the other members of Rush's ilk:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/america-used-to-be-really_b_6637...
Disgusting
by kos
"Warshington"??
I like Moyers but this bugs the shit out of me.
Limbaugh clearly was referring to people he says call up impersonating soldiers to give their anti-war comments some credibility. I.E. they are phony as in not real soldiers. phony, fake, false... It's so clear when you hear the tape or read the transcript that he didn't call real soldiers phony if they were against the war. I can't believe you people are trying to make this stick. MSM no its a reach, which is why they won't touch it, not because they have love for Limbaugh. I'm sick of these lame disingenious rants from the left on this issue. get over this. Like he's gonna give an inch. Please, the fatman with the 4-F card is loving the extra attention and would just as soon become Teddy Kennedy's caddy at Pebble Beach than do what you wall want, which i guess must be an apology. Move on already.
I would like to hear more about the rollover accident that killed five servicemen.
biff @ 8:
You obviously heard a different audio than the rest of us did. BTW, Word Press has Spell Check, try it sometime!
biff @ 8:
LMAO!!! You must listen to his BS and believe it! You really ought to check out the transcript, or listen to it.
Limbaugh selectively edited "phony soldiers" clip, claimed it was "the entire transcript"
http://mediamatters.org/items/200709280009?f=h_top
lol
biff @ 8:
No. It's quite clear if you listen to the radio conversation that Rush is referring not to people who "call up" but to people on television, like Jon Soltz and Paul Hackett, former soldiers from Iraq who have spoken out as pundits and politicians against the war. You didn't listen to the broadcast at all if you think Rush was referring to a caller.
“They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and spout to the media,” the caller said.
“The phony soldiers,” Limbaugh said.
The caller indicates himself in his sixth word that he is referring to actual "soldiers." Limbaugh calls them "phony."
Rush's Limpbough is so full of shit.
biff @ 8:
Thats crap, you ever try to call in to Limbaughs show? If you do happen to wade through the many filter people you can bet that the first word you udder that is not pro NeoCon you will be cut off and slandered.
phoney soldiers stand under "Mission Accomplished" banners when the real war hasn't even begun yet
you are all soooo wrong. totally missing the boat on this. Just hearing what you want to hear. And no, I'm not a Limbaugh fan, he's a total douche chickenhawk. I'm just not walking lockstep on this one. sorry. He wasn't referring to uniformed personal, which is why this will go nowhere despite your best intentions. and I have heard the full transcripts. read them too.
(sniff sniff)......I believe that I smell something........a big fat chickenhawk piece of shit getting roasted all the way across TWO continents.
Between this, and Bill Moyers FINALLY shining the light of day into the war profiteering that has been robbing the treasury blind these last 6 years, I'm actually excited enough to engage in an act heartily encouraged by Jocelyn Elders.
V V
...none of them look remotely phony to me, Rush…
Moyers nails it perfectly as usual. I was just hopeing that he had used the above line somewhere toward the end of the segment.
Rush's Limpbough BS'ed all of his listeners after this scandal broke, and played a doctored recording on air of the conversation to make it seem like he was saying something different than what he really did, and Media Matters PWNED (yes I said pwned) his nasty pilonidal cyst covered ass!!
So busted.
LMAO!!!!
phoney soldiers = candyass reichwing DNS chickenhawk loudmouth warmongers
biff @ 16:
If we're wrong then show us where. Only trolls make arguments on blogs without backing them up. Where does he talk about callers?
biff @ 8: SAID:
And did you notice how many people immediately called you on your bullshit? GonzoD recommends you try SpellCheck. I would add RealityCheck to that.
History lesson for Rush: Have you no sense of decency sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?
Off topic - Site Monitor: Why do I have to hit Refresh Comments every time I come in here?
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Daddy cultists Rush and David Limbaugh don't care how many people die. They are still mentally playing cowboys and indians in the front yard of their childhood home
GonzoD @ 24:
Maybe because it's a thread not IM?
biff @ 16:
Limbaugh selectively edited "phony soldiers" clip, claimed it was "the entire transcript" (MediaMatters)
justabill @ 26:
That's not it. When you refresh on the main page, it should update any comments.
"'Warshington'??
"I like Moyers but this bugs the shit out of me."
It's just his accent. He wasn't being "cute". I grew up in a part of the country where folks said "Warshington" for our nation's capitol and "warsh" for what you do with your clothes. And after you warsh them you wrench them out. >
jb
Someone please ask Rush L. Whats more Honorable fighting and dieing in a war you don't support, or fight and dieing in a war you do support.
GonzoD @ 28:
Oh, you mean the displayed number of comments for each post. The comments themselves do refresh for every post when you refresh the main page, but that number sticks sometimes. You might try a cookie dump. Sometimes that works.
Iran for 2000 years has never attacked another country. US and Israel attacked plenty in the last few decades alone.
Repeat. For 2000 years Iran has never attacked another country. Pass it on.
justabill @ 31:
No it's not the # that sticks. Sometimes I refresh the main page and it updates the #, but when I click comments, it will show less than the # on the post. As far as cookie dump, I clean out the files and cookies at least twice a day.
Now the bugger won't let me comment.
Oh yeah, let that one go thru!
mora shouldnt have even been back in country
hearing loss and they sent him back after 2 weeks?
4 tours of duty for the first seargent????? 4 fucking tours??
forget gitmo, our government is torturing our own men and women in uniform
el druggo can say what he wants, no one signs up for this...they didnt even do this to combat troops in korea or nam
its criminal, and bush and all his generals need to face the man and be sent to prison for crimes against humanity
wow step off the reservation and speak some hard truth and the brave, anonymous bloggers get personal. Ouch, that hurts. Like I said, I'm right, you are wrong. Limbaugh didn't refer to uniformed soldiers. I heard the media matters full transcripts.
biff @ 8:
no sir....its enuf of this spin
in the program where he attempts to defend himself, rush brings up murtha and beauchamp
murtha is a decorated veteran, beauchamp is still serving in iraq
beauchamp's stories have been vetted by the new republic, and the new republic stands by his stories
rush's only beef with murtha is that he disagrees with his politics...yet he clearly calls him a phony
the only true phony soldier that el druggo can talk about is macbeth....that is one...one....not plural
the fat, drug addled bastard hates the troops....but you cant stand to hear that
Only hate mongering, war profiteering, reich wing repugs are REAL anythings... the rest of the planet are considered "fringe" elements.
BUT HE DIDN'T CALL MURTHA A PHONY SOLDIER!!! I can't believe I'm doing Limbaugh's bidding. Just proof enough to myself that I am 100 percent right.
biff @ 37:
no sir, it is you and the rest of the dittoheads that are incapable of hearing what that drug addled fatman says:
he has repeatedly attacked vets and men in uniform who have spoken out against the war
here he goes after paul hackett and max cleland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFrCXUOfz8A
this is a pattern of his demeaning those vets and men in uniform who dont share his political views
sam @ 32:
And since Mahmud A. can't really say that publicly, because it's kinda "embarrassing" to be THAT peaceful when you live in the era with Bush being the leader of a very powerful nation run amok, his comment about Iran being "a peaceful, loving nation" should pretty much suffice and are, in my humble opinion, diplomatic enough. At least WE, the people, the Americans could kindly pass this pretty relevant revelation to our leaders in Congress. The alternative? We've been through that already. We either let the lies fly towards us again or we kill the disease once and for all!!!
I'M....NOT A FREAKING DITTO HEAD!!!! Jesus, give me a break here!! I'm just pointing out some inconvenient facts. You're wrong. Plain and simple. Just another distraction.
biff @ 40:
he didnt??
then why did he include murtha and beauchamp in the discussion
please, educate me
guess he didnt demean paul hacketts time in iraq or uniform either
didnt use the words "staff puke" didnt say that the only reason hackett went to iraq was to pad his political resume'
well...shmega dildos to you too
I don't know about the phony soldiers, but i know there are a lot of "phony" legs and arms out there now that had not yet been manufactured before we invaded Iraq.
biff @ 43:
ok....
rush uses the plural of soldiers to describe on soldier
to expand what he was talking about, he brings up the case of beauchamp (another real soldier, doing a real job in iraq) and murtha....and please dont tell me you didnt hear it...its there
so other than macbeth...who are the other phony soldiers rush is talking about?
biff @ 40:
Correct me if i am wrong (please don't if i am right), but didn't Rush call all soldiers who are gainst the War in Iraq "Phony Soldiers?" Isn't Murtha a Veteran?
John Barringer @ 29:
I believe that is like a St Louis thing. Had a high school teacher from there who used to say "Warsh"
V V
I am from Baltimore and people there say "Warshington" and so do a lot of people in DC. (Although most of the people in DC refer to Washington as "DC.")
no he did not call soldiers in uniform phony soldiers. He meant people who are impersonatin soldiers on radio shows, he was not referring to stolts or murtha or hackett. Jesus, you people need to get lives. I'm telling you, in four days this story will be done, over, finished. and rush will be saying something else ridiculous that you can whine about.
biff @ 50:
Snd you know this...how?
Wait, i get it. When i called Bush a liar the other day, i was refering to his "reclining."
biff @ 43:
Limbaugh edited 1 minute 35 seconds of the audio clip. Defending Rush on this site? You sound like a dittiot!
Here's Limbaugh's "new" story:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200709280009?f=h_top
biff @ 50:
ok, you may not be a dittohead....but you sure as shit think like one
exactly where did you get the impression that when rush said "phony soldiers" he meant people who call into radio shows and lie about their service
was that from the caller before mike?
if that is true, then why did el druggo go out of his way to say he was talking about macbeth
if that is true why, after he played the clip did he go on to talk about murtha and beauchamp
if that is true, why did he spend the last election cycle demeaning the vets who were running as dems
i will say it again....el druggo has a history of demeaning and defaming those vets and men and women in uniform who do not agree with his or the repug philosophy
he literally spits on them
el druggo is no better than jane fonda
he should be charged with treason and sent right to gimo
uncle joe mccarthy Says:
You're pretty hard on Jane Fonda, aren't you?
I wouldn't mind being hard on Jane Fonda. Even still.
Bugs @ 56:
Ask Colbert about that! LOL
GonzoD @ 55:
i was trying to make a point...my apologies to jane
biff @ 40:
Please. Just because you are shouting doesn't make you right. Everything you keep saying is a bunch of BS. Either you are INCREDIBLY ill-informed or you ARE indeed a dittohead. Rush's Limpbough did so call Murtha a phony soldier:
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/09/rush_expands_...
Rush not only was referring to any "soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media." NOT "people who are impersonatin soldiers on radio shows" as biff keeps claiming, AND he did so include Murtha.
Any more idiotic things Biff wants to say that he is either lying or knows nothing about that we can so easily smack down?
Perhaps a transcript or an article is too complicated a task.
Here, you can listen to it:
Limbaugh expands group of "phony soldiers" to include Vietnam veteran Murtha
Click Play to listen to this audio clip
http://mediamatters.org/items/200709280011
justabill @ 61:
just so everyone knows, i didnt see the media matters post on rush including murtha...its posted on youtube, as his defense
he also included beauchamp, who the right has excoriated, yet is still serving in iraq, albeit without his laptop
The "phony soldiers" Rush was referring to was Jesse MacBeth who being the antiwar poster boy claimed to have commited atrocities along with his fellow soldiers in Iraqi but he later he admitted he LIED. He washed out of boot camp in 44 days and is now facing jail time for false claims with the VA. He is the "phony soldier"!!!!!!!!!! And he had the nerve to say that his fellow soldiers commited these acts too.
This part of the "phony soldier" comment is on YouTube.
sam @ 42:
"The Greco-Persian Wars were a series of conflicts between several Greek city-states and the Persian Empire that started in 499 BC and lasted until 448 BC." Just so we're spin-proof and clear about that.
Phyl @ 63:
how many times are we going to go through this?
if rush was speaking about 1 specific soldier, he shouldnt have used the plural
if he was speaking about one specific soldier, why did he include beauchamp and murtha in his friday diatribe?
im just not sure why rush and the rest of the dittoheads cant be honest
all of you believe that the armed services have a single mind, that there is no way any of them could speak out against the war
uncle joe mccarthy @ 65:
If be honest about what?
If they lie about their service as MacBeth did, doesn't that do a disservice to our honest admirable soldiers?
Strawberry @ 2:
Actually, I agree with this. We messed the place up. We should at least get the lights turned back on.
My sentiment is this country pretty much does whatever the hell it wants. We go and run roughshod over everything in our path leaving a mess for others to clean up. All, for our egos, greed and "interests". This country has a history of this arrogant behavior which is typical of rich Anglo-Saxon white males who are in power. Yes, I'm a white male and basically hate my race.
Look at all those neo-cons that have caused this disaster - old pasty white guys. Look at all the pro-Bush supporters at the ralleys - old pasty balding white guys. Look at all the Enrons of the world, the corporations who dump chemicals and belch CO2 and pollution into the environment for greed - all run by pasty white guys. Look back at how the white man has run roughshod over races throughout history for different reasons - land, riches, slavery, converting to Christianity, etc. We slaughtered the Indians. We've kidnapped people from other countries and brought them here as slaves.
We're the first biological weapons. Yes, just us invading other cultures throughout history has spread disease. As I recall it was a white male stewardess who brought AIDS to the US.
The cause of alot of the Earth's ills is aggresive white men or worst yet the passive aggresive rich ones who get others to do their dirty work. Bush typifies this. The world is George Bush's urinal. He can piss on it any way he wants.
My feeling is it's about time we start cleaning up the disasters we cause. The white man has done alot of damage. It's about time we clean up our act.
Yes, I know, it wasn't a white man who flew planes into the World Trade Center. But it was a white man who conspired with these people years before and used them as pawns to fight our other enemies. The white man just has to get into everyone's business. And it's all going to come back and haunt us.
Seven people write on the shortcomings of the war and half of them suddenly end up dead or severly wounded?
Maybe I'm just paranoid but...
Chip @ 68:
Problem with this is that the Iraqi people flat want the US gone, no clean up our mess, no nothing but out of their country yesterday. We have fucked them over so bad that they hate the very sight of ALL Americans, no matter how noble their intentions might be. Think about it. How would you feel if the situation were reversed and your family had a few men and women killed, a couple of women raped, and a few more disappeared! We can't leave fast enough as far as most Iraqi's are concerned.
War is such a waste and such a crime. Any would be leader who can't learn this lesson should be shunned.
joshdavis @ 12:
Right, because this would be the first time Rush and his ilk can be found disparaging anyone and calling on the patriotism of anyone that disagrees with his 'boss', GW.
Phyl @ 67:
I might agree with that, but you are talking about one apple when Rush's Limpbough was talking about oranges. It's off-topic. Rush's Limpbough called all "soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.’’ "phony soldiers," not just one soldier named MacBeth.
Limbaugh: Service members who support U.S. withdrawal are "phony soldiers"
http://mediamatters.org/items/200709270010?f=h_top
Please do go listen to it if you don't believe so.
Then Rush's Limpbough actually altered the recording and tried to lie about it on air to his listeners.
Limbaugh selectively edited "phony soldiers" clip, claimed it was "the entire transcript"
http://mediamatters.org/items/200709280009?f=h_top
Please do go listen to it if you don't believe so.
Then Rush's Limpbough went even further and called Rep Jack Murtha a "phony soldier" on air.
Limbaugh expands group of “phony soldiers” to include Vietnam veteran Murtha
http://mediamatters.org/items/200709280011
Please do go listen to it if you don't believe so.
Anyone who himself admitted that he avoided the draft for a pilonidal cyst on his nasty chickenhawk a$$ has no right to call anyone a phony soldier.
Hey Chip I'm a balding,Pasty(?)White guy who spent who spent six hours at the peace fair yesterday but I take no offence.The boys you are after a the white is right crowd who are intellectually challenged They are the crowd who never grasped action reaction thing. My father was a racial bigot without any basis whom Father Bill asked "what are you going to do when you get to heaven and stand before Jesus and he's black?"(for the limbaugh lurkers he was born and raised in the middle east,duh)
Every inch of space devoted to the comments of Rush Limbaugh or Bill O'Reilly is wasted. These men don't care what you or I think, nor should we care what they think.
With 160,000 troops in Iraq, what are the odds that AFTER their opinion piece was published that 3 of the 7 servicemen who wrote it would be killed. If we were to extrapolate a 3 out of 7 death rate, we would be facing approximately something like 3000 deaths a month (based over the period of time since they wrote the opinion peice). It certainly seems to me that there should be an investigation as to why these guys seem to be dropping like flies. I'm not saying they are being fragged by their fellow soldiers, but I am suggesting that they have suddenly and as retaliation been targeted for duties that would increase the odds that they will die.
Limbaugh has a right to point fingers and criticize soldiers, afterall, he would have been a proud soldier if he just didn't have that ass cyst. Look how credible he's living his own personal life. How can these sheep listen to this hypocritical druggie chicken-hawk (ironic how many war mongerers haven't served a day in the military much less war time, ie. cheney), yet this asswipe can still talk as if he fought in uniform.
Ellen Lincourt @ 76:
Given the fact that it took so long to find out how Tillman really died (at least the latest version), we should be at least a little suspicious of their deaths.
Hey, Biff... didn't Rush make a huge deal about Kerry's misspoken "If you don't stay in school, you end up in Iraq" comment???
Karma's a bitch, aint' it?
THIS MAN (rush) IS AN ENTERTAINER !! period...who gives a f**k what he says, or the people from MoveOn.....enybody here ever hear of 'free speech' ?? Cant beleive Im sticking up for the SOB, but in reality, he's LOVING all this attention.
sah @ 78:
ya...they were entertainers in rwanda too, until they told people to take up arms against their neighbors and slaughter them
keep your head buried in the sand, it will be easier to chop it off
Phyl @ 67:
when did paul hackett or max cleland lie about their service to earn this scorn from el druggo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFrCXUOfz8A
the proof is in the pudding
rush hates the troops
justabill @ 73:
el druggo wasnt even honest about his draft dodging...he said he got a school deferrment...which was 2 lies in one, as he had flunked out of college
I see one. Third casket from the left.
DarthSaikos @ 69:
Murder is not the least of their crimes. Look at Pat Tilman. He also made similar comments before he was killed.
I am surprised that the different veteran associations dont gather and level the building Rush Limbaugh operates from. With their bare hands.
[...] math earlier in September. Yet, they never stopped trashing those troops with whom they disagreed. The New York Times 7 were pilloried despite the fact they were simply telling us their honest opinion based on the facts they saw every [...]
uncle joe mccarthy @ 81:
I for one am not worried the least about what rush may spew..or his ilk...all chickenshit cowards in my eyes
sah USMC
John Barringer @ 29:
Rush dodged Vietnam because of hemmoroids, for god's sake.
What does he know about soldiers?
Enough said.
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