William "The Bloody" Kristol Proves He Has No Soul: Bush's "Heartless Assault" On Kids "A Good Thing"
By Nicole Belle Saturday Sep 29, 2007 12:35pm
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We've joked that Weekly Standard Editor/PNAC signatory/Fox News Contributer William "The Bloody" Kristol is a soulless vampire, but he obviously wants to leave no doubt in our mind.
Listen to him on the subject of the SCHIP Amendment:
KRISTOL: First of all, whenever I hear anything described as ‘a heartless assault on our children,' I tend to be...think it's a pretty good thing...
WALLACE: I think a lot of our viewers would not be surprised to hear that...
KRISTOL: ...I'm happy that the President's willing to do something bad for the kids. You do wonder about the Democrats, putting a 12 year old, I mean, how pathetic is that? A 12-year-old kid giving the radio address, Nancy Pelosi pretending she's praying for the President. You really wonder how stupid they think the American people are. This is...look, poor children are covered by Medicaid, this was to cover children from 100% to 200% over poverty. The Democrats are now extending it up over 300% above the poverty line. If you think you need to help children and families over 200% - 300% over poverty line, which is already double to triple over poverty, you can do two ways: expand government insurance or make it easier for families to buy private insurance. Republicans want to try to make it easier through the tax code for families to get private insurance; Democrats want to expand government insurance. I think it's a good philosophical fight for Republicans, if they can explain the issue well enough that the Democrats can't simply get away with demagoguery.
I love it. The Democrats are trying to get away with demagoguery? Yeah, Republicans never do that.
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He says it's bad for the kids, and that's good.
What a douche.
I hope he realizes that those kids are going to one day be changing his diapers and hopefully they will remember what a prick he is.
Aside from his natural tendency to look like a guppy with teeth when he smiles, his only purpose in life seems to eat, shit, and eat some more. Why he has any influence in modern society is beyond me.
How is it that this guy has gone this long without getting the tar beat outta' him?
This is just fucking incredible. Why, the fuck WHY, has this bastard not been run out of town on a rail with tars and feathers by the human citizens of this nation? Why?
I love it. The Democrats are trying to get away with demagoguery? Yeah, Republicans never do that.
tu quo que is a fallacy of relevance. Let's keep our arguments concise - instead of 'you did it first!' or things like this, let's attack arguments in a logically relevant manner kthxbye
More BS from BSTV
Very distressing to read of Kristol-Bush's arrogance. Those children might have been them had they not been fortunate. Perhaps they have enjoyed public assistance, but have forgotten about it: Public education. The American government, Bush, and Kristol would have the world believe the "American model" is one to emulate and export. Yet, our results at home in Katrina and those abroad in Iraq are little to be proud. A credible government will address the issues, not let the situation spiral into non-sense as has done.
Curious that the corporations ask that they be treated as "individuals" for purposes of the 14th Amendment and government "Protection"; but when real individuals -- children -- need help, the "government" claims "We can't get involved." How disgusting, arrogant, wrong, and heartless. Shame on the American model. If these children were, as a group, incorporated, lawyers and government lobbyists would be tripping over themselves to support them. Indeed, they are incorporated: They are Americans, and they are worthy of protection for one reason: They are human beings.
The Declaration of Independence spoke of this heartless abuse and recklessness. America's government is little different in its arrogance to human suffering than that of the Roman or British Empires. The only difference is the callousness of the form, not the underlying callousness of their contempt for the most vulnerable. There is little use in asking why: We'll only be told more non-sense. I suggest we calmly discuss an alternative system to this reckless US system, and with all due speed move to peacefully, and lawfully replace this reckless US government with something that resembles civility and justice.
"I’m happy that the President’s willing to do something bad for the kids."
This reminds me of the old Ronnie Graham song "I Love to See My Poor Mother Work"
WTF does "200% - 300% over the poverty line" mean? Is this the GOP "poverty line" which is way lower than reality? Is it even possible to fact check on his statements? What a wanker...
Well there's still 26% of American who are plenty stupid Bill. Oh, and you are one of them!
Iran for 2000 years has never attacked another country. US and Israel attacked plenty in the last few decades alone. Repeat again. For 2000 years Iran has never attacked another country. So pass it on. And since Mahmud A. can’t really say that publicly, because it’s kinda “embarrassing” to be THAT peaceful when you live in the era with Bush being the leader of a very powerful bloody nation run amok, his comment about Iran being “a peaceful, loving nation” should pretty much suffice and, in my humble opinion, are diplomatic enough. At least we the people, the Americans, could kindly pass this pretty relevant fact to our leaders in Congress. The alternative? We’ve been through that already. We either let the lies fly towards us again or we kill the disease once and for all!!!
By the way, “The Greco-Persian Wars were a series of conflicts between several Greek city-states and the Persian Empire that started in 499 BC and lasted until 448 BC.” Just so we are spin-proof and clear about that. I thank my Jewish friend for reminding me really what kind of “fearless, terrorist” country Iran really is, but that’s what the Israeli schools teach, totally different set of facts than what Fox teaches in America. Anyway, before we tape up our houses again and look like fools for our ignorance and lack of basic facts about the “imminent danger”, which will impoverish the US even farther, and vetoing help for children will not be enough, we’ll be openly talk why they should not be hospitalized, cared for and simply let free to die, grab your phone, call you representative, and ask his or her what Gravel, Kucinich, Paul and any sane person are asking, what the f**k are you doing, what the f**k are you thinking??!!!
300% above the poverty line? They're rolling in dough!
Take note, 26%-ers (whom I imagine a very good portion live within 300% of the poverty line), these are the people whom you think represent *you*
When children are sick and suffering it is not a time for a "good philosophical fight." As we have already seen, the Republican method of helping folks "through the tax code" helps only the richest 1 or 2% to stuff more moeny in their pockets and the little children of the middle class still suffer. I personally wretch every time I see or read about this creep. It is my fervent hope that Mr. Kristol will acquire some rare disease and suffer mightily before he takes his place in Hell - a place he so richly deserves.
Utterly disgusting.
What an absolute piece of shit human being. Honestly, I'd say something witty, but what a disgusting pile of excrement Kristol is.
What is the poverty line? And - can anyone except the very wealthy actually afford having a kid with cancer, a child with long term disability? I figure our insurance spent well over a million dollars to save our child. And we spent every cent we had above and beyond that. Had she been treated under the current climate - no "experimental" treatments - she would be dead. No doubt in my mind. No parent going through the hell of critical illness of their child should have to even consider that it is draining college funds, retirement funds and any hope of a moment without worry.
Bill Kristol - I hope - somehow and someday - you are forced to spend - oh maybe two weeks - in a children's oncology unit. Watch the parents - very rich to very poor and see how alike they are. Terrified at losing their child. Worried about all the others. Worried about losing their job and thus insurance. The poor ones - working minimum wage jobs - they are much more likely to lose their jobs. When the pall of a certain death comes into one of those units - there are no differences between us. We weep for the family and fear that the moment will come for us.
Bill Kristol is amoral - a talking head without emotion, compassion, or empathy. Bush can fake compassion, but has none. Do we really want such people in charge of policy?
yes, just how dumb does DUMBYA tghink americans ARE??
like Quayle dumb??
or dubya dumb??
go juan, go juan! go ,go go juan!!!
sam @ 12:
Their paramilitary group, the Quds, or whatever, did attack a Jewish school in Argentina as well as Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia. Clinton responded by destroying their headquarters.
There is a certain faction in Iran that is very dangerous. The US and perhaps Israel can contain that faction with covert actions and specific retribution. To move to all out war, or to use nuclear weapons, even on underground military targets, would mobilize all of Iran into nationalistic war mode, plus repeat all of the mistakes of Iraq.
The solution lies somewhere with diplomatic, economic, and political incentives, but Iran should not be ignored.
Doesnt he look like Ahmejhendad??
That evil smile??
clenched jaw, waiting and wondering when folks will start calling him on his personal responsibility vis-a vis the "Project for a New American Century"??
certainly not Faux Noise
Sometimes I just have to commend Juan Williams for his opposing opinion(s) and how he explains it.
OMG poor kids getting good health care? Getting health care that kids who don't live in poverty get? WTF? Who the hell do they think they are? Why do the dems hate amerika so much? Talk about evil! wow!
Ok so a round up of repug conservotard values:
Sex is bad for everyone, especially gays, unless you're a repug conservotard in office and your sexual partner is a call girl or a man you met in a mens room.
Every fetus is sacred. If you so much as menstrate without saving it in a bottle for possible later reanimation [by technologies developed outside of the US because we're not godless commies who use stem cells for anything but making babies.] then you're an evil baby killing whore who should be jailed and used for egg farming since your reproductive organs actually belong to god and thus the repug conservotards since they are god's conservators on earth.
Every fetus is sacred UNLESS you are a repug conservotard who's daughter, wife or sister happens to need an abortion due to an inconvenient pregnancy.
Every FETUS is sacred but once you're out of the womb you're just another social parasite trying to get the gubmint to pay for your lazy ass lifestyle. Those poor kids need to get a damn job and pull themselves up by their boot straps if they want health care.
All conservotard values taken from the daily repug talking points memo.
I especially love the irony that there is NO money to give poor american children a good start in life and decent health care but there's PLENTY of money to murder, maim and cripple as many Iraqi kids as they can find.
Wow the link to the photo of Rudy Guiliani and the 9/11 sign really almost made me sick. Fucking used the 11 in 9/11 to look like the Twin Towers then had a little plane flying into them from over the /.
What a shameless ass.
Site Monitor: I think that's a photoshopped image, symbolizing Giuliani's use of 9/11 in his campaign.
Bill "the bloody" Kristol and children's rights?
Vomit.
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This shows how truly deranged the RW of the Republican Party actually are. Virtually every Rethug is praying that Bush will sign SCHIP into law so they will have at least have ONE less issue they won't have to defend themselves against, yet KristolMeth and FuxNoise support the opposite view. What does anyone expect from a man who thinks an attack on Iran will make Bush a living god on earth, with 125% approval ratings and the healing powers of Wolverine? I truly believe the man is so desperate from his repeated failures that he will say anything now, hoping he will be correct on at least one of the stupidities he verbalizes. I used to be somewhat ashamed of the fact that I never attended college, especially an Ivy League school but after seeing the kinds of deluded madmen these schools have turned out I am glad I only went to one year at Murray State in KY and not to 4 years at Harvard or Yale. And I cannot believe there aren't droves of Repubs distancing themselves from people like this, altho more the better for us in 2008 if they don't. I want to see KristolMeth and his like pulverized into talcum powder by the hatred of them from the American people.
I am amazed that the GOP believe this is a winning issue. Fat cats protect big tobacco and big pharma over poor children. Sounds like a winner to me!
Even lower middle class children need healthcare despirately. The fat cats in Washington are completely out of touch on the economic reality of the average American. As long as stocks keep rising, everyone is doing great! Barf...
Let's see: A gazillion dollars a day on war or a few bucks for poor people? Hummm...
Bertrand Russell @ 6:
I agree. It hate that form of arguement. Sort of like "Clinton did it first!" GOP style rant.
Corporate welfare = good.
People welfare = bad.
What a little turd.
I sincerely hope that Bill someday has to spend - oh - a couple of weeks in a children's oncology unit. It is a rather equalizing place. All the children are bald and thin, all the parents worried and frantic. Hard to tell who has medicaid and who has insurance. There is no insurance that covers enough to keep them from worry. Had our child been diagnosed in the current climate - she would be dead. No experimental treatments? Almost everything is experimental. I believe this man has 3 children and I sincerely hope none of them have to go through the suffering of childhood disease, chronic illness. However, it might wipe the nasty little grin off of his nasty little face. He is a man without empathy, compassion or even common sense and is therefore rather sociopathic at some level. 300% of poverty is what? It isn't much. What a complete jerk.
How stupid do the repugnants think the American people are. Very stupid! I've got a surprise for you Kristol. We're a lot smarter thaaqn you think. Tell me again, when have you been right about anything?
3 times the poverty rate is still barely even a living wage you over privileged douche bag!
I think Bill needs to be forced to live on 3 times the poverty rate for a year before he can ever speak on TV again.
You got his title right Jon, that "man" really is a freaking vampire! I am sick and tired of a man who has been wrong SO MANY TIMES about SO MANY THINGS, still getting to speak on large public forums. Given that over 2x as much money has been lost to fraud in the war he helped push as would be added to the SCHIP program, he has no podium on which to stand. Freaking spineless prick!
And Bill Kristol has been correct about what? Billy you don't know your arse from third base.
He has been wrong about every single thing concerning the war, the last election, the next election--he is absolutely nuts.
the Kristolites only wants money spent on killing Arabs and lassoing Mexicans
Charles @ 19:
Liar, the school attack was attacked by locals, and Khobar Towers was claimed by Hizzbolah.
Keep spreading the disinformation and I'll keep calling you a liar.
The poverty line in the contiguous 48 states is just over 19K/yr. 300% of that is about 58K/yr. Most here can take what they pay in HC insurance premiums, deductibles and co-pays and apply it accordingly. The premiums are the same for ANY family of 4, whether you make 58K or 580K. Pacificare and Blue Cross don't base premiums on income.
You get the picture?
so Kristol is not worth the depleted uranium in the round. Better to send him to Burma with a camera. If something like that seems heartless then that, to me - "would be a good thing"
Yeah I can see where Bill the Bloody is coming from. "If it is bad for the kids then it is a good thing" fits right in with a little known program the 2005 Congress voted into being. Remember Bush's plan to reduce the deficit? GUESS HOW! Any child support over $500 a year is now being dunned by the Feds to REDUCE THE DEFICIT. I just couldn't believe this when I read it. It is up to the state to decide which parent pays, but it seems it is the custodial parent getting the bite in most states. First Bush takes money away to support the kids NOW he wants to take away the insurance. This is just outrageous the burdens Bush is placing on all of us, especially where it concerns children, to pay for his damn war.
Read this statement from the White House on the day Bush signed the, for lack of better words, proclamation of robbing the poor. See any compassion lately or ever. where children are concerned in the Bush administration? Oh, and btw what the hell does giving or receiving child support have to do with "mandatory government spending?
This was taken from the White House announcement on the day of signing:
As the Deficit Reduction Act delivers savings in mandatory spending, it also shows the compassion of America. This bill provides new resources for programs that serve some of our citizens with the greatest needs — including hurricane victims, children, and low-income families struggling to pay their heating bills.
$1 trillion dollars for a war to cause hundreds of thousands dead and millions displaced.
Yest kids' healthcare in this country?
[deleted--You're right, we will delete it. And we have a very good idea what the definition is. Don't try to challenge us. That's a one way street to being banned.]
Yeah, because we already know how stupid the republicant's think we are :(
Oh, and Charles?
I for the life of me can't seem to find ANY reference to the alleged bombing of a Qud headquarters by Clinton.
Did you make that up?
PopeTodd @ 36:
Well there was the whole Iran/Iraq war. Neither side was clean in that one. So factually the comment is wrong. Iran has attacked another nation in the last 2 decades.
The poverty line is sort of a fuzzy definition, because it depends on what country you're in. For example, a typical 3rd world country's poverty line is "a dollar a day" or roughly $400/yr. However, in the US, I think it's defined as 1/1000th of the GDP or something like that. Usually, 12%-15% of US citizens fall under the poverty line.
Anyway, the current US definition (2006) of poverty is $9,800/yr. per individual, and $13,200/yr. per couple. Notice, that a person making minimum wage full time is just under $12k/yr... fucking wonderful, huh?
So according to William "the Bloody" Kristol, if you're a single parent with two kids, then ~$34k/yr. is "too well off" for those little brats to get health insurance.
Thinker @ 30:
What I like about the US health care system most, is the fact that a new born is billed separately, insured or not, doctors, nurses, anesthesiologists bill a child separately, insured or not, $3.000 is a minimum. NOW, given the fact that 40% of Americans are uninsured AND the likelihood of a non-insured, low paying job worker getting pregnant is far greater, it's safely to say that 5 out of 10 new born Americans are natural-born debtors. You're born and in debt already. If that is not sick and disgusting, I don't know what is. I wonder why Sicko didn't brought that up. I guess you can't make a mainstream movie THAT shocking.
nativeokie @ 43:
Try again, the war began when Iraq invaded Iran on the 22nd of September, 1980.
Really people, look it up before declaring it as fact already!
PopeTodd @ 36:
If you are from the US you have no cause to accuse anyone of spreading disinformation. If your government funds petty dictators and they murder people, do you show the same indignation towards your own government? You should. They make Hezbollah (and by YOUR logic, Iran) look like a bunch of amateurs.
You should look for the liars in the White House and Congress, not on some web site comment board. They are the true terrorists of the world. Khobar towers would not have happened if not for our imperialist basing and corporate profiteering around the world. THIS is the cause of terrorism against us. If we treated sovereign nations as sovereign nations, attacks on our facilities would not occur.
My comment at #37 is for a family of 4.
First of all, whenever I hear anything described as ‘a heartless assault on our children,’ I tend to be…think it’s a pretty good thing…
Well, first of all, whenever I hear any Republican say things like Kristol said, I tend to think that it's a pretty good thing...because it shows how depraved these people can truly be. Sometimes, I just wish I could shake these jerks and tell them that health care is an expense that piles on and on and on--especially if there's a chronic illness.
Che's Lounge @ 47:
I don't disagree with you at all, but I will not silence myself and let disinformation spread before my very eyes.
That is what you are trying to do isn't it? Silence me?
I will recognize truthful and honest history and events, I will correct (and when needed vilify) disinformation and/or the poeple who spread it.
Lies have no place here, we get enough of that from the current government.
Pelosi "pretends" to pray for Bush?
Oh, that's right. The GOP has a stanglehold on Christianity.
I forgot. I'll tell my pastor I'm resigning from the music ministry of my church, since I'm clearly PRETENDING anyway.
::)
Kristol is all opinion with no facts which is why he is on the no facts faux network. As the late Sen. Moinyhan said, "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." Someone in an above comment associated Kristol with a male organ. He may be it, but he doesn't have one. I doubt he has any children, by natural means. Who would marry a total jackass like him? If he has kids, some one should report the fact to family services and the police for a welfare check. He may have eaten them for breakfast. Someone should invite him into a dark alley and do the right thing with him!
wtf....either you have ins or the funds to buy heath care or you don't.Theres a huge part of the "Middle Class" who don't have ins....not to mention all their children......This country has to do better.And these ass!!!! won't do it....they have shown yet again that could care less about us.
What thrills and excites evil vamps like kristol more than doing harm to little kids?
http://www.armchairsubversive.org/
Che's Lounge @ 47:
BTW Che,
WTF was that? Ad hominem attack? What do you mean by MY logic?
My logic is not in question here Che, I have corrected misinformation with FACT.
No logical fallacy there.
It would seem your logic should be questioned. Care to clarify?
Billy, you're on a roll! Don't stop with just SCHIP, see if you can sell America on repealing child labor laws. I'm sure there's more than one of your authoritarian friends that would like some cheap semi-slave labor.
You are a first-class hypocrite. If fiscal restraint is your objective, audit the Federal books from 02/01 to present. Under GOP rule you'll find more obscene waste and theft than in the rest of our history combined. Didn't hear much from you then. Guess you were too busy cheerleading the occupation. You are a pig.
Why do we even bother with this cretin? Seriously, he is not an elected official, or running for office. He is an insignificant mouthpiece for the Israeli lobby and the far-right agenda. There are many of them nowadays. But, we help give them more legitimacy than they deserve. The best way to cork this idiot is to simply ignore him. Do not give him any press.
Soon we'll be hearing a reworking of Swift's "A modest proposal" issuing forth from that smug little pie hole of his.
Right after he's finished with the child labor laws.
What.
An.
Asshole.
Why does the designated "liberal" on this show even dignify Kristol with a reasoned response? There comes a time, long since passed in Kristol's case, when to debate with his brand of fatuous intolerance only enables its continued legitimacy.
Juan Williams should have just spat in his face.
Well....I can understand Kristol's comments. I mean, "won't someone think of the children" is such a bullshit trump card, that a kneejerk reaction is to yell bullshit whenever you hear about something good for kids. But unfortunately, he doesn't seem to stop and think that, well, duh...it actually is for children, so being good for them actually is the point.
he's got some nerve using the word demagoguery.After all the BS he and his ilk have spewed.Ahhhh wtf....it's just more repug hypocricy.but the 30%rs will lap this crap right up....money.
Don't expect much from Juan Williams. He's itching for a 6 or 7 figure salary and would never do anything to jeopardrize his place on the inside the beltway pecking order.
Double over the poverty line?
Is that double-plust-good?
What line is he talking about? Does someone making $60,000 with two parents working NOT need help with paying for sick kids? Kristol is starting to include the Republicans in his "useless eater" scenarios -- but don't let the math challenged catch on. "In this household, we make $50,000 -- we aren't one of those wealthy 300% poverty folks." No, that would be MORE than you make.
Gotugye @ 62:
Juan Williams would gladly shove his noise up O'Reilly's arse....for that matter, the arse of any reich-wingers on faux. He cares more about his paycheck than what is right for America...typical coward
Charles @ 19:
The Khobar Towers was an act of the Hezbollah Al-Hejaz. Most of the terrorist in that incident were Saudi, not a single Iranian was indicted. Now it is believed that Al-Qaida is behind the attack. Iran's ties to the school attack in Argentina are also rather flimsy.
In any case, the number of covert acts by US agencies are legion, I assume that the US must then also be fair game for international countries who may think those covert actions may undermine their own national security. Or is it only the US and Israel who posses the super magic medal of righteoutness who can attack other people at will?
jazzmoose @ 60:
It's training people to argue about HOW things are said, not what is said.
The MoveOn.org ad about General Be-tray-us, was the discussion, not that a military officer was being used as a political gopher.
Caring about the troops replaced the conversation about illegal war. Or that we have a private army running things or that 40% of the "emergency war budget" is earmarked for Contractors. Who do they answer to, Burger King Inc.?
2013 is the new Democratic discussion of a "reasonable withdrawal" -- becuase what is the compromise position with "never?" It took 6 months to deploy, and it would take 3 months to withdraw. It seems the mesage of; "it will take 6 years to suck out all the oil" made it into the political math books.
Gotugye @ 62:
Unfortunately House Negroes only can get a 5 figure salary tops, such is the folly of Juan Williams...
Charles,
There is a certain faction in Iran that is very dangerous. The US and perhaps Israel can contain that faction with covert actions and specific retribution.
This is the logic you purport that I challenge. You still support imperialist actions and the violation of the sovereign rights of other nations, when in fact those "certain factions" in Iran are a response to the imperialist actions of our government. Containing them is disingenuous when it is WE who, by invading Iraq and supporting the zionist repression of the Palestinians, create them.
You know, in my opinion it is the private insurance companies that need to justify their existence. They have done a very serious disservice by externalizing all the chronic medical problems, and by innovating through deceptive collection policies.
Annoyed Canuck @ 59:
Liberals on Fox are to the left, as blackface actors are to African Americans.
In fact Faux Liberals pretty much tells you everything you need to know, why anyone wastes their time with them is beyond me. That TV channel is bad for the brain...
Let me guess
Dem Rep To Introduce House Resolution Condemning Kristol On Tuesday
Che's Lounge @ 68:
Che, you are missing something here, you challenged me after I had challenged Charles.
Who were you challenging, me or Charles?
I'm not surprised to hear him say that. I'm not a Fox viewer though.
PopeTodd @ 72:
Yeah sorry Pope. I got twisted around there. Caffiene deficiency. It was meant for Charles and I misinterpreted your initial response to his comment. Forgive the error.
From North of the border, this clip comes off as a debate among mental defectives.
I pay $54 per month for medical insurance in my province. This covers all doctor visits, specialist referrals and hospital services. Extra billing is not allowed. I can see any doctor I want. There is no such thing as being refused coverage because of a "pre-existing condition". There are no "co-pays", deductibles or retroactive denials of insurance. Couples pay $96, families pay $108. That it, all in. If you are low-income or poor, you pay less, or even nothing. Most working people have their premiums deducted from their paycheques.
Prescription drugs coverage is available for old people and those on low incomes. Some coverage is available for things like physio and eye care, but you have to pay part of the cost. Most employers and unions offer supplemental care for this for fairly low cost.
There is little or no bureaucracy in the public insurance system. I have only ever dealt with one person in regard to any medical issue: my doctor. There are no insurance adjusters, no claims administrators, virtually no gatekeepers of any kind. There is no need for any of this costly overhead, as everybody is in the same insurance pool, which is run on a non-profit basis - hence, no one needs to be excluded from care in order to protect profitability, which is necessary for a subset of insured people in a private, for-profit system. Public insurance is little more than a highly efficient billing system that costs less than 2% of the total medical care budget in Canada.
Are there waiting lines for some services? Yes. But these are no worse than HMOs in the US. The tradeoff is that Canadians have excellent coverage for necessary aspects of care that aren't very profitable under private systems - pre-natal and infant care, for one. As a result, infant mortality and mortality from many childhood diseases is much lower in Canada than in the US.
I can't believe Americans still complain about the bureaucracy of public health care in comparison to what you have now. It's senseless, absurd, ridiculous. The opposite is true, and the evidence for this is overwhelming.
Che's Lounge @ 74:
Haha! I thought there was something amiss there!
Nothing to forgive, I was just a little confused by the response until I caught the back at Charles.
Charles has a reality perception problem.
Like Bloody Bill I think.
StealThisOpinion @ 23:
Are we allowed to mention 9-11 on this thread? I thought 9-11 was a conspiracy-theory/verboten topic to discuss in the context of any other issue. What's up?
Lollimom @ 3:
Man that was funny. I needed that.
At what point, as a good American, do you stop interviewing the guy and instead tie him up until the authorities arrive?
I'd like to address the demagogue's assertions here:
The idea that you are going to give me a tax break to buy insurance is ludicrous at best.
Let me explain.
In order to afford insurance I would need a pretty hefty tax break.
This poses a dilemma, in order to get the tax break I would need to have paid for insurance for the year.
But in order to buy insurance I need a tax break because I can not afford the insurance without one.
But in MA I lose my refund because I don't have insurance for my family because I don't have enough to afford insurance for my family. This leaves me with even less to afford insurance for my family.
So not only do I NOT get the needed break to afford insurance, I get fined for not being able to afford insurance thus giving me even less money to take care of my family. And we remain uninsured in end.
Catch 22.
What a bunch of ass's.
All we really need to do is take a look at what every nation in Europe (and Canada) are doing, take what works, discard what doesn't and find similar solutions for what is missing and you would have a reasonably well tested plan ready for implementation.
But no, we have to do it from scratch because we are capitalist asshats.
Excellent.
Juan Williams "Bill, here's your testicles back, sorry I made you look so bad out there."
Bill Kristol "Thanks for keeping them safe."
Why are republicans such A-holes???
Someone [deleted--do not advocate violence against anyone on this site] to match that garish smile of his. Yes I said it and I dont care. He doesnt so why should I...'more war and who gives a crap about the consequences' is what he espouses constantly. he really is a shameless villain.
Kristol is only down with killing brown people. Everything and everyone else can go to hell.
The real question is why is the Human Mexican Patio Chair constantly on the tube? If he gets one more face lift, he's going to explode in the tanning salon and make quite a mess. Just stop watching him.
breakspear @ 83:
alright, someone should give him a nice big smooch
Bill Kristol is a psychopath gone wild! He needs to put his ass in a uniform and volunteer for serving in Iraq. At the very least offer up one of his children.
PopeTodd @ 42:
It's a covert action that has been alluded to by Pres. Clinton himself. I've read vague references to it by US spec. ops. in several written sources, none of which I can recall.
For the time being, I suppose it's safer to say it never happened.
ok, so Bill has 3 kids. 2007 poverty level for a family of 5 is listed as $24,130. 200% of poverty is therefore $48,260, or $4,022 per month. take from that $1000 for rent, $400 for utilities, $1200 for food, $500 for clothing, $750 for ONE car, gas and insurance, $200 for school supplies --- that leaves... wait for it... negative $28 for health insurance.
i want Bill to take an IOU of $28 down to his Blue Cross/Blue Shield office and see what kind of insurance he'll get for that.
Billy Kristol asks: "how stupid dot they think the American public is?"
My answer to that, "Way way more stupid than anyone had hitherto imagined!!!"
I had to restart the video a few times. That chick's eyes amaze me. She can pop them out of her sockets to feign outrage.
You would be hard pressed to find an individual as sorry as this worthless chickenshit, chickenhawk, warmonger, if yous searched the world over. William Kristol offers nothing positive to the human race. He is a thug.
This worthless piece of crap is another reason my television never stops on FAUXNOIZ....I have a thing against fascism.
Poor kids are covered by Medicaid?
No, they're not.
Yank the healthcare coverage of all these Bushist fascists -- right until they bleed -- and watchen them all suddenly become enlightened.
And what has happened to FoxBlocker??????
Their domain seems dead as a stoolie after a hit job.
I should probably stop typing before I put my foot in my mouth again, but I fully understand that anyone who wants to attack the US is fully warranted due to our meddlesome foreign policy decisions since post-WWII. That doesn't mean that we're not obligated to protect ourselves in an appropriate fashion. Appropriate: Afghanistan after 9/11. Inappropriate: Iraq after 9/11. As for Iran, I support any solution, economic, political, diplomatic, or military, to avoid a full out war.
Plus, I can't believe how far we've fallen as a society when someone of influence is willing to come on TV and say "Fuck the children." Past generations had a line they didn't cross.
This is ironic, considering what a child Kristol is.
Yes, William, you cock! We wonder how stupid you think Americans are.
Why doesn't William and Dick Cheney spend an afternoon together shooting eachother in the face?
Mr. Kristol thinks Democrats are shameless for "using" kids? My, my.
I have two words for Mr. Kristol:
Snowflake. Babies.
I'd like to see just one of these rich fuckers put in the position of deciding wether to take their child to a doctor or paying the power bill, or the mortgage, or buy groceries...... Assholes!!
What Would Jesus Veto?
Good job Juan. You are officially born again hard.
Charles @ 95:
Man, you and me both!
How far the mighty have fallen...
Strawberry @ 4:
I wanted to say : Nicole, you are so right this prick is a soulless vampire..
But, Strawberry, you've made my day !! I hope Karma will catch up with him SOON.. Actually, he would look better in tar&feathers, and he couldn't talk anymore with tar-full diaper. I cannot stand him, nor the faux.
Just so we are spin-proof and clear about that.
sam @ 12:
Just so we are spin-proof and clear about that. If only sheeple could get it !
Will the Democratic stategists have the guts and the brains to show this clip and others like it of the right wing enemies of America?
I doubt it.
af @ 99:
Don't wait for that comeback from the DNC/DLC.
Geez. Why not? I'll give it to 'em. For free, even.
Entitled to insurance? Entitled to what? This is a draw because any insurance is complex and wrapped with bureaucracy. Next reason is the government will need to draw a lot of money out of peoples pockets to cover the cost to deploy this policy. People don't need insurance, not a human being on this planet needs insurance to live. You are hearing this from a person with multiple diseases which will cause eventual death. I pay for my medicine, I pay for my insurance it cost me money but that's my prerogative not yours, not the nations.
I have to add something else. Cost of medical services and products could be sliced pretty easily. Destroy medical insurance all together. Medical services and products have a high markup because insurance companies pay the club rate somewhere between 1/2 and 3/4. If you have no insurance sometimes you can haggle the price down to the club rate. Same for common meds if a generic is available then get it.
All Governments are strife with failures, instead of emboldening them with support and giving them more rights and freedoms to control our lives. Why don't we demand that they fulfill our entitlement to freedom first?
One thing we all have to love is watching the three stooges up there smacking each other around. Point at each other and say liar. The truth is they are all correct, they are all liars.
"You really wonder how stupid they think the American people are."
Well, Bush did get re-elected in 2004 due to the fear and smear campaign of Republicans, so a lot of voters are stupid.
Swashbuckler @ 110:
He was never 're-elected.' As for the second term, he probably cheated there too.
With every audacity they get away with, they get further emboldened, as with all petty tyrants and crooks. He smirks because he enjoys saying things like that and knowing he can get away with it. That no one will call him on it. Rather, he will be PAID to say it. Is it any wonder these sociopaths can't wipe those arrogant grins off their faces? The revel in their own tyranny.
miss_kitty @ 111:
I understand what you're saying, but in effect he was. He had been President for four years, everyone knew that he was a lousy President and yet he won the 2004 election.
Kristol, like most Republicans, is a sociopath; he's just more open about it.
"You do wonder about the Democrats, putting a 12 year old, I mean, how pathetic is that?... You really wonder how stupid they think the American people are."
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or another...
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the pic of giuliani in front of the banner is from the onion btw...
"politicians put on uniforms and jump in ships to talk about mission accomplished - come on..." Juan Williams. It looked to me like he was (---) this close to slapping Kristol upside the head. I think you guys are too hard on Juan. I felt he slapped BK down real good.
PopeTodd @ 36:
The consensus now is that the 94 AMIA bombin in Buenos Aires was carried out by Iranian Hezbollah agents - like Hkobar Towers. Both attacks are the responsibility of Iran who either ordered them directly or bears responsibility as the financial backers of Hezbollah.
This page is typical of the stupidity and name calling on the left. Get it out of your thick skulls, having the government taking care of everything you do means you are lame and can't do it yourself. No one wants children without health care, we don't need welfare, look how great that worked. You guys are on the wrong end of the purpose of government and twist the argument to suit your needs. Talk about hypocrisy, you'll care Sooooo much about the poor kid with the family making $70,000 not to have health insurance but you don't give a shit when they are unborn!
Disgusting how his argument is stated. The immediate reaction is to blame republicans. But this program covers people who make up to 200% of the poverty line, and the new bill would push that to 300%. That means that somebody making 65k/year would be eligible to enroll their kids in this program. I make 52k/year, and most people that make my kind of salary usually work for a company that offers healthcare for dependents.
Also, all the partisan hackery aside, the issues stemming from Washington don't just affect one side of the isle or another, because as long as they're is a campaign to fund and a lobby willing to pay for it, we will see nothing but pork, zero productivity, and grandstanding in Washington. Supporting democrats just because you hate republicans is foolhardy, because most of the time they are no better. They all want more of your money, and they can't wait to spend it on their own pet programs. I think the only thing that would help at this point is term limits in congress. That way we can flush out the trash without having to raise billions to do it.
They are asking for pennies for this program, and the Republicans want to talk about handouts, big government, etc. Cut corporate handouts and corporate welfare , and maybe we can talk. Hypocrites. Look whats given to pharmaceutical companies and defense contractors, its sickening, and at the expense of our citizens.
Col. Klink @ 16:
Actually,col,I think he is a fucking prick. I really would love to bitchslap that supercilious smirk off his ugly face!!!
Kristol really needs a slap or two. What an absolute scumbag. I also like how he says Pelosi is "pretending" to pray, because we all know liberals are godless...
I would pay good money to see this guy with a stick of dynamite in his ass and a 12 year old lighting the fuse.
Brawlin_Dem @ 40:
Listen to yourself. "Don't try to challenge us?" WTF?
What a dumb fucking Jew. Maybe hitler should have gotten rid of them after all. I mean he hates kids? WTF
You apparently dont know what a joke is. I dont agree with Kristol on anything, but I have to admti that was pretty funny.
I get sick of politicians playing the "for the children" card too. Anytime you hear politicians saying its "for the chirldren" its guaranteed to be something bad.
Don't be so sure about that. Do you have hard data to back that up, or are you making an assumption? For example, my former employer paid for my health insurance, but there was no group plan; additional family members were added at a monthly individual rate which was prohibitive. We were lucky to have CHIP for our daughter; our son's health insurance is covered by Medicaid because he's on the autism spectrum.
It is true that sometimes you luck out. My spouse now has a job with decent health benefits, far better than mine were, but neither of us had any expectations.
What seems like a "decent" salary for a family of four can become woefully inadequate in the face of a medical crisis. We live within our means and do have a financial "cushion" but catastrophic illness could change that in an eye blink.
I also think it's terrible that some of these crises could be avoided with preventive checkups and screenings to catch some problems in the early stages when they are easier and more cost efficient to treat.
Whenever you feel real shitty & look bad check out Kirstol
& you will feel okay. The man is one miserable homely SOB.
Do you mean into our thick skulls? That aside, we are talking about children who can't provide their own health care and whose parents are struggling to provide it. Decent health care should not be a prize handed out to some people and not to others. No one asks to be born into a poor family or have a debilitating (and expensive) illness or both. It isn't "lame" to ask for help.
First, $70,000 really doesn't go that far, especially if you have more than one or two children. I'm not saying it's impossible, but ordinary health costs can eat up a lot of that, let alone a serious illness or accident.
Second, regarding your accusation of hypocrisy, my perception is often the other way around. Our newspapers are constantly running letters to the editor decrying the loss of the "preborn" but these same writers scatter and hide when anyone asks about children who are already born and in need.
I can understand both sides of that issue, and I have questions and criticisms for both sides. Furthermore, individuals are entitled to their priorities. My priorities, however, are with the "postborn."
nicole i hate to tell you this but all politicians try to get away with demagoguery. in fact, most people, at some time in their life, will try to get away with demagoguery at some point in their life. politicians have to do it more than others, and pundits have to do it above that. 'ativists' are almost required to do it as part of their job description.
getting mad about demogaguery is going to lead you to a very angry life, and anger is bad for your health!
Dude from NPR made Krystol look like a complete ass.
WTF?!!!
My nephew is on Medicaid and he can't even go to the damn dentist without my sister calling in for approval for the fucking appointment.
Meanwhile my sister had her Medicaid revoked because she took a part time job. Her husband works 2 jobs and they barely make ends meet and they can't afford their meds so they go without (well you guys know the drill)
There has GOT to be a special place in hell for that filthy bastard.
I don't need to have read all the comments for more information in order to feel perfectly confident in calling this man a whore. He and his media colleagues have completely abandoned any sense of duty towards the American public or any iota of personal integrity.
This is about the paycheck that allows them and their families a more than comfortable living at the expense of the body politic. I've stopped watching all news and commentary because it has all become such a parade of lying liars and media whores.
redratio1 @ 39:
Like I always say, the only thing Cons are willing to spend money on is killing.
There was a letter to the Dallas Morning Nudes responding to another letter about hunger in Dallas. The letter writer says there's no proof people are dying in Dallas for want of food. Suffering and quality of food didn't enter into the equation at all.
Actually there be no hunger in Dallas if people were dying from hunger, because they would no longer have to endure the hunger.
Kristol(nachts) reasoning is about the same as that letter writer.
I'm waiting for the day when Kristol wipes that smug smile off his face, or perhaps that someone will do it for him.
Reminds me of a recent opinion piece by a rightwinger in the Minneapolis StarTribune, apparently there are no poor in America (at least none that he can find anyway), and even if there were (hypothetically speaking, of course) actual poor people in the U.S., you're a heck of a lot better being poor here than anywhere else, so quit yer whinin'. I suppose then, the homeless staking a spot at the Dorothy Day homeless shelter a few blocks from the Excel where the GOP convention will be held next year aren't actually homeless, because hey, they are in a shelter after all. I hear rumors the not-poor and not-homeless in the homeless shelter may have to be not-poor-or-homeless somewhere else (at least during the convention). Nothing to see here, if you don't see them they don't exist, so move it along poeple. Maybe they can be not-jobless not-poor handout-collecting freeloaders used to gather all pigeon eggs, so the GOPers won't get pooped on.
Why not take the 180 billion that Bush wants to fund his "war or terror" and put that into healthcare? I just don't understand how the morons in D.C. can sit up there and ignore how screwed we are. Its not just republicans either. The Dems are just as guilty as letting this country go down the crapper. I just wish we could impeach all of them and start from scratch.
Lady_Louise @ 129:
I don't have hard data to back up what I said. I guess I was just going on what people in my group of friends and family have experienced. I don't think government is the answer though. We need to get government out of the way of people getting healthcare, rather than them being the middle man. All you need to do is look at the healthcare on Native American Reservations or VA Hospitals to see that it doesn't work.
I'm not against kids getting the healthcare they needed. But I think if the government cut the corporate welfare and quit crippling the middle class with it's monetary policy, people would be able to afford their own healthcare options.
F*** the kids .... really.
Health Care should be for everyone, period.
I prefer the nom de plume Willie the Dookie.
Hey Billy-boy,
Where have you been for the last seven years?
Thanks to Bush's anti-family fiscal policies, 100% of poverty ain't what it used to be.
Hell, my wife and I make more than $100k/year, and we're still scraping by month-to-month to pay our bills.
We never saw much of Bush's tax cut. And, we've seen so many things inflate in price since Chimp took over.
If only wages kept up. But alas, they barely keep up with normal/non-Chimp-induced inflation.
Bush sure makes those Clinton years look mighty fine.
Who do I trust more to manage the nation's finances?
It sure as hell ain't the GOP.
Republicans can whine and complain about tax-and-spend liberals and all that oh-so-1970s-claptrap, but this is one ex-Republican that isn't buying that anymore. Reality speaks for itself. The GOP cannot be trusted to keep the nation's fiscal house in order.
And, if the only thing Bush thinks is worthy of veto in his sorry presidency is something to make healthcare more affordable to children, then he's going straight to hell along with The Bloody. What would Jesus do indeed.
[...] Well, WE almost died laughing! Crooks and Liars [...]
Hey, I hate kids as much as the next guy, but all children everywhere deserve health care. It's a no-brainer.
bill kristol is a c*nt.
[Agreed. But that word gets stuck in the filters-Sitemonitor]
Sorry. :)
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Andotech Says:
"Hey, I hate kids as much as the next guy, but all children everywhere deserve health care. It’s a no-brainer."
Aha! There's my argument! Every American child is entitled... Let me repeat: ENTITLED to health care and without regard to their parents' income. The argument that some family making more than poverty level might get benefits is revealing without the GOP being aware of the classist, anti-life stance contained within the argument. Why doesn't a child's Right to Life stand despite family income?
Critical illness is devastating emotionally and financially--even for "well-heeled" parents. Why is the child of a well-to-do couple worthier of life-saving treatments than the child of a poor or mid-class couple? Why is it we still deem other human beings as possessions? Isn't that also at the heart of the Repugnant's argument?
You either believe in a Right to Life and are willing to spend to protect it or you're just ideologically posturing for donations and votes.
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