FOX News: Gore Derangement Syndrome
By Nicole Belle Saturday Oct 13, 2007 5:45pm
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Awwww, the poor widdle neo-cons have their pretty pink knickers in a twist over being forced to call Al Gore "Mr. Nobel Laureate". It's so hard to be on the absolutely wrong side of EVERY issue, isn't it? As the comedy duo of Kristol and Krauthammer try to detract from Gore's win by dismissing his work as "bloviation," smearing him by association with other award winners (I note with no little amusement that Krauthammer names Arafat but NOT his buddy, Kissinger) and denouncing the Nobel Committee as some sort of leftist organization--pretty much throwing up as much mud as possible to see what sticks.
The sole voice of sanity (and that's not saying much), Juan Williams accuses the blood-thirsty, amoral war-mongers Bush apologists (nah, I don't like them very much, can you tell?) of enjoying their little wine (whine?) of sour grapes. Me? I think it's Gore Derangement Syndrome...they are just out of their head because they backed the wrong horse. Think for a moment they'd be so dismissive if Bush or Petraeus had won the award?
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This same prize was awarded to Kofi Annan and Henry Kissinger, so it's not like it even means anything.
I have just seen this clip here in the UK, it's now midnight.
I feel sick to my stomach to call your country my ally. The soooner we (the UK) get rid of you lot - the better. We - the UK are not the 51st state.
You have been driven so far down the path to hell it'll take 20 years before the stink of collective Bushshit - from two stolen elections ,can be erased.
I'm on your side by the way ie left of centre. It is centre NOT center. Just as soccer is football. Just as 09/11 is really 11/09. The events of the 11th of September. It's the 11th day of the 9th month. Not the 9th day of the 11th month.
Just count the votes next time around. PLEASE.
OK, first time I was first,first,fuck, why give these blow bags ANY time?
Play a little game with the mostly all-male neocons. Ask them which man they'd have sex with if Nazis held a gun to their mothers' heads and that was the only way to save her.
Their answers would also be the same as the people they would list for The Nobel. Or any other prize. Or any list of the men they would most like to have a beer with, cuddle with, or otherwise have magically appear with their noses or other bodily appendages near their dank assholes.
Why do you continue to give these blowhards time?
There's a maliciousness in those guys that scares me. They actively enjoy hating people.
actually, nicole, i am trying -- for the life of me -- to imagine how bush or petraeus could win the award...
...but nothin's happening...
leakyboat @ 8:
Can someone tell me why Kristol is significant? I'm not an American so I don't know, but for whatever reason, Kristol is everywhere providing his (misguided) on all things relelsted to your self=inflated War.
...and guess who DIDN"T win any Nobel prize at all; ....why Bill Kristol and George W. bush. Imagine that.
Dakota69 where are you?
and Kristol has been known to Bloviate countless countless times.....
GC @ 6:
Apparently, there are silly naive children who have somehow reached voting age that actually buy into the constant smear jobs. Are there are further people still, who are quirky enough actually AGREE with this complete nonsense.
editor @ 11:
If there were a Nobel Stupidity Prize, not even Paris Hilton could split the vote with Dubya.
You know why they are doing this don't you? If you go to the Draft Gore site and click on the signatures, about 70 thousand have been added to the already existing 137,000 just in the past 2 days bringing the total number of signatures to 204,000. If Hillary slips, I hope Gore will jump in................
Marc Grant @ 10:
Russ Mason UK @ 3:
Two words for you, Russ...Margaret Thatcher. But seriously, congrats on the World Cup Semi Finals yesterday. And good luck next weekend against South Africa.
I have gone from knowing next to nothing about this Charles Krauthammer to hating him.... just watching him, seeing his cold and disdainful facial expressions and listening to him being arrogant, dismissive and dishonest all at once turned me completely off to whatever message he may have.
I am sure that he has certain ideals and some good intentions, but I am already pretty closed to what he may have to say.
The neocons just look stupid at this this point. Nothing they say ever had value and now the public sees it all for what it is. They look like neighborhood bullies who lose their power to scare. Kind of like the Joe McCarthy group. There's a point where nothing they say sounds even remotely rational.
FOX will be announcing the Rightwing alternative: The Larry Craig "Piece" Prize
...1st annual winner Mark Foley
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REMEMBER:
There would be no
winewhine for the Jesus juice if it were not for the sour grapes..
I agree with GC-you really should stop posting any videos from FOX NEWS. This guys love to generate controversy to spread their message and C&L should stop being a medium for them.
Bill Christhole @ 21:
:) :) :)
Bill Christhole @ 21:
... and NOT Ted Haggart?
I AM SHOCKED! =:o
Deliverusfromevil @ 23:
Thank you, But sadly even C&L needs $$$, come on John...
Haha! Its just teenage girl jealousy. I'm sure Kristol could get the prize anytime he wants....he just doesn't want that stinky old prize...coopueey! squirm bitches, squirm.
Thanks for taking our side, but I simply must protest the Brits sad neglect of the letter "Z." Please, it's civilization not civilisation. Just sound it out.
Deliverusfromevil @ 23:
Um, guys...we receive no money from Fox News, as should be patently obvious. This site is called Crooks and Liars for a reason. We look at the news and how it's being presented. Our whole purpose is to highlight the kind of hackery that passes for news dissemination.
I find it incredibly odd for you to suggest that we shouldn't do it.
AWHHH GEEEZZZZ not this asshole again......and Russ Mason....Cheerio old chap..bobs your uncle...oh and one more.....CELTIC...
Nicole Belle @ 29:
NICE TRY...Nicole...have another try.
GC @ 6:
because if some doesn't......theres a whole lotta stupid people who will actually beleive these...Crooks and Liars.
Could there be a more subliminally fascist name than Charles Krauthammer , unless he has a relative named Adolf ?
oopss..."someone"....damn.
Put Kristol and Kraphammer on a stage and charge $5 per bitch-slap. I'll bet you could raise enough cash to pay of the war debt and have enough left over to rebuild New Orleans!
They seem very afraid of Al Gore and even the slim possibility that he will run. Which should make the Democrats want him to run, but alas, they will let the Republicans select which candidate they want to run against.
Just ignoring the right wing won't make them go away. Look at what happened to Kerry with the Swiftboaters. Liberals who hide their heads in the sand will always lose. I'm thankful every day for sites like C&L, Think Progress and Media Matters that keep track of these loons so I don't have to ever tune into Fox News or the rest of the talking heads shows and feed their bottom lines to find out how the American public is being misled by the Corporate Media propaganda machine.
The longer Gore waits the better.....I just hope he runs.
Get your clarifying mantra on!
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I think Gore scares the pants off these cretins.
Maybe Al should take a run at the Presidency.
His best comment today was... "We're in the process of winning this war."
Which sets up the ..."The dems lost the war by pulling out just when we were "in the process of winning".
mjs @ 39:
truer words were never spoken
mudshark @ 38:
He is not running.....we need to accept that......he likely can do more for the Progressive movement by continuing to stump for issues that matter.
Shared Humanity @ 43:
yeah i realize that....but one can still hope.....
If Gore doesn't enter the race it looks like we're stuck with Hillary. And I've just learned something that frightens me even more about Hillary...she's a religious whack-job too! Think I'm kidding? I wasn't aware of any of this! She's part of a strange group called The Fellowship. Read this from Mother Jones:
..When Clinton first came to Washington in 1993, one of her first steps was to join a Bible study group. For the next eight years, she regularly met with a Christian "cell"...
Clinton's prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or "the Family"), a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to "spiritual war" on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has "made a fetish of being invisible," former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan.
...That's how it works: The Fellowship isn't out to turn liberals into conservatives; rather, it convinces politicians they can transcend left and right with an ecumenical faith that rises above politics. Only the faith is always evangelical, and the politics always move rightward.
...These days, Clinton has graduated from the political wives' group into what may be (the) most elite cell, the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast....Clinton (gets) the chance to profess her faith with men such as Brownback as well as the twin terrors of Oklahoma, James Inhofe and Tom Coburn, and, until recently, former Senator George Allen (R-Va.). Democrats in the group include Arkansas Senator Mark Pryor, who told us that the separation of church and state has gone too far; Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) is also a regular.
Full article: http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-2.html
ellen @ 16:
I'm #204,133!
Christ...Gore... Frist...Kristol...Clinton...
Dennis.
Global Warming is a scam, it's just one hand of the puppeteer.
Global Warming or Global Governance
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4860344067427439443&q=Global+war...
Thank you C and L for shining light on these cock roaches!
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"When facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."
~ Sinclair Lewis (American Writer, 1885-1951) ~ Portending our reality now!
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This just in from undisclosed sources in the Internet:
Mickey KausWilliam Kristol blows goats. This on good authority.Bill Kristol blows goats.
And no...
This is not OT.
Eric Prince of Blackwater on 60 Minutes now.
Uh, yeah right, we're supposed to take the word of an unqualified corporate hack over that of the consensus of the scientific community. I guess those scientists are all part of a global conspiracy. Just how frigging stupid are you?
Nicole, while I agree with the sentiment of your post, I feel calling this GDS only feeds into the GOP framing. We progressives do this all the time... they come up with a lie (i.e. Kerry is a flip-flopper) and counter by counting Bush's contradictory statements and say, "No, Bush is the flip-flopper." Calling this GDS (instead of BDS) only feeds their narrative and legitimizes their point of view.
Dems and progressives need to develop their own list of talking points and stay on message regarding this, and every, issue. Too many progressives believe that talking points and messages are, in and of themselves, evil. This is incorrect: they are only bad if the talking points and message are bad. If we can stay on message, but do so with honesty, integrity and the truth, we won't fall into their trap and therefore create a new narrative.
To wit:
- We are proud that Vice President Al Gore won this most prestigious award. We share his concerns about global warming, where the GOP probably blames global warming on 9/11.
- We are continually disappointed at the GOP's lack of leadership on every issue, and are continually baffled and amused at their inability to even show a modicum of respect to Gore, Graeme Frost or any other individual with whom they disagree.
- The Democratic vision for the future is one of hope, promise and optimism: environmentally sound, healthy Americans and fighting the real terrorists in Pakistan and (yet again) Afghanistan, not the imagined ones in Iraq. Al Gore embodies these values.
- The GOP's core value is fear; the Democratic core value is optimism.
- The Democrats are not afraid of the future; the GOP hides its head in the sand in fear.
Just a few off the top of my head. If all Dems stay on message in a good way, we can build a new narrative while maintaining our integrity.
..........and from FOX News and the Weekly Standard ....we bring you the KKK......Kristol, Krauthammer & Kondracke. (Morty must have had the day off)
asdf @ 48:
Ah, the conspiracy theorists weigh in on the matter.
Is it those darned Illuminati again?
Nicole Belle @ 29:
Hey Nicolle! Did you posters hear Condi "Tanker" Rice scolding Russia? She told them that there is too much power in the president, and no checks and balances. You can't make this shit up! It's online in some of the major newspapers!
This is what the reichwingnuts look up to...a chickenshit, chickenhawk, warmongering coward, who pushes war for Israel and the profits of the military industrial complex. This type of individual should be the first sent to internment camps.
Several things ...
Crystal only smiles when he is either attacking or has just learned something he can use to attack. Watch his face as he listens and responds to krauthammer. No smiles. This man is a predator.
Should anyone be surprised? These people are destroyers. They stated their interest in destroying government - gained control and are destroying it. They stated their interest in destroying world populism/democracy and are doing it.
They are zero sum social darwinists (ZSSD's). They dont include, compromise, dialogue, share etc. They seek dominion.
dave @ 54:
Here here.
I would add that a retaking of language is called for. Liberal, socialist, public etc arent perjoratives (sp). Murderer, thief, killer, dominion, hegemony etc are.
I agree - establish the standards, values, behavior and agenda. Inclusion while defending against those who do not include, pluralism while defending against those who are not pluralistic, constructivism as opposed to destruction/dominion, tolerance while being intolerant of THE intolerant.
... civil society OVER simple profit - restate FDR's economic bill of rights. Reintroduce the principles of (republican) Teddy Roosevelt.
and as you say ... more.
They are defining the 'arena' and democrats are stupidly playing in it. Its their home field.
Marc Grant @ 10:
Kristol has Bush's ear. He and Krauthammer are on Bush's speech writing team.
George W. Bush and Al Gore, of course, are both very wealthy men. But the differences are telling when each is presented with the Jerry McGuire Test to just "show me the money."
At his press conference yesterday, Gore announced he would donate his $750,000 Nobel Prize award to the Alliance for Climate Protection:
"My wife, Tipper, and I will donate 100 percent of the proceeds of the award to the Alliance for Climate Protection, a bipartisan non-profit organization that is devoted to changing public opinion in the U.S. and around the world about the urgency of solving the climate crisis."
Compared to the former Vice President, the future former President Bush has made it clear he has very different plans for his coming financial windfalls. In a series of interviews with author Robert Draper for his book Dead Certain, Bush confirmed that the banality - and venality - that defined his presidency will characterize his post-presidency as well:
First, Mr. Bush said, "I'll give some speeches, just to replenish the ol' coffers." With assets that have been estimated as high as nearly $21 million, Mr. Bush added, "I don't know what my dad gets - it's more than 50-75" thousand dollars a speech, and "Clinton's making a lot of money."
For more, see:
"Bush and Gore on the Prize Money."
"The comedy duo of Kristol and Krauthammer.."
Their fanbase should be happy, they remember Laurel and Hardy, Abbott and Costello, Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis. Maybe K and K will reach that mark someday..
Snowball @ 53:
"consensus of the scientific community" funny, you didn't watch it did you? Anytime anyone tells you EVERYONE thinks one way, a little bell should go off in your head.
"Just how frigging stupid are you?" I write chemistry software for a living and my father has a PhD in solid state science. How stupid are you?
When you grow up enough to discus the points raised in the video, let me know.
I repeat, global warming is a scam.
waterboarding for jesus @ 40:
He just might take all that money they spend killing people around the world and spend it on something positive for once.
Kristol is a ginning devil and Krauhammer looks like a greasy mob boss Don who does political hits jobs for the GOP.
CensoredFan @ 57:
Uh oh, and now the CIA is involved!.....The Russian president has been warned of a plot to assassinate him during a planned visit to Iran next week, according to Russia's Interfax news agency.
waterboarding for jesus @ 56:
[Deleted. Rude-Sitemonitor]
Bravo. Reach 'round and give yourself a good firm pat on the back.
[...] Al Gore has taken a lot of heat in his political career, you know that terrible campaign he ran in 2000 that resulted in him pretty much giving the election to George Bush (though the Supreme Court has a little to do with that as well) and that whole inventing the internet thing but he is making up for it in spades now. The announcement Friday that he won the Nobel Peace Prize is the culmination of his second career that also includes an Emmy, an Oscar, and now best of all, totally driving the right-wing batty! [...]
Kristol does not enjoy any integrity. He is a fool and supporter of war criminals. He should be publicly recognized as so. Fox should also be recognized as a neocon criminal enterprise for their spin and lies. They both condone and support murder and continue to do so.
What a hilarious situation Al Gore's success is driving these clowns crazy It is interesting that none of these assholes has even said;" good job but". It's start out right away with the derogatory remarks and basically calling the Nobel Committee a bunch of idiots It speaks volumes as to the lack of class these people have
Anon, while I agree with you that
I would not include the term Socialist in that list. Liberal and progressive, yes. Socialism, no. As a proud progressive and an economist, I do not believe that socialism is a viable economic viewpoint. Even if I believed socialism was a viable alternative, both the far right (National Socialism) and the far left have co-opted the phrase.
I'm going to try once again the reasons why I will forever condemn this global warming concept. My objections lie in the totalitarianism of it all. We are just replacing the war on terra meme with a war on the enviornment meme. A war is still a war.
The same people who rally on about the neo-cons and their war on terra also tell me with the very same dedication of Faux News viewers that my conversion from $600 every ten days for oil to a pellet stove is just not good enough? WTF? I was told wood pellets rely on machinery?
For most this is the only green solution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States
Big Al Gore with his massive compassion for humanity could have rallied himself with thousands of other completely worthwile causes. Depleted uranium is one of them. Perhaps a real investigation solving the questions more and more people have about 911. How about why media has supressed information about a simple drug that kills multiple versions of cancer.
Simply not, the establishment must remain the establishment and carbon trading as the new Wall Street will be justification for the massive repossetion of the western world's modern lifesyle.
Blow me Big Al!
The following "Anti Americans" have won the Nobel Peace Prize:
1906 - Theodore Roosevelt
1917 - International Committee of the Red Cross
1919 - Woodrow Wilson
1929 - Frank B. Kellogg
1931 - Jane Addams, Nicholas Murray Butler
1944 - International Committee of the Red Cross
1947 - Friends Service Council, American Friends Service Committee
1952 - Albert Schweitzer
1953 - George C. Marshall
1954 - Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees
1963 - International Committee of the Red Cross, League of Red Cross Societies
1964 - Martin Luther King
1965 - United Nations Children's Fund
1973 - Henry Kissinger, Le Duc Tho
1977 - Amnesty International
1979 - Mother Teresa
1984 - Desmond Tutu
1988 - United Nations Peacekeeping Forces
1989 - The 14th Dalai Lama
1997 - International Campaign to Ban Landmines, Jody Williams
2002 - Jimmy Carter
The entire list is here
Charles Krauthammer is prettier than his beliefs.
I've noticed that American pundits have invoked Arafat's name over and over again in order to discredit the Nobel Peace Prize, but they haven't mentioned Menachem Begin, the true father of Mideast terrorism.
Marc Grant @ 10:
Because those who want his viewpoint in the public consciousness make sure that he gets airtime. Just like Ann Coulter. How is it that she keeps getting invited back to projectile vomit her hatred into our airspace? Because someone with enough power to get her one wants her on. If they didn't want these people to have a say, they wouldn't.
In the run-up to the Iraq invasion, Phil Donohue had the highest rated show on MSNBC. But he was vocal in his opposition to Bush and invading Iraq, and he was trying to get some logic into the debate. He was pulled off the air faster than Ann Coulter can tuck.
ellen @ 16:
People seem to have forgotten what a lackluster campaigner he was when running against Bush. And he wasn't on speaking terms with Clinton. And he picked Lieberman as his running mate.
asdf @ 64:
LMMFAO!
I bet I have more hot wheels than you ! And my daddy works at Area 51 on anti-gravity propulsion..so there.
Grow up!? Hahaha!
You koo koo.
Hey, when will the Neocons start the demand that the SUPREMES snatch the Peace Prize from Gore and "appoint" it to King Dumbass? Place your bets ladies & gents....
BTW, the comments here have me ROTFLMAO tonight! Many thanks, I need all the laughs I can get these days!
And you guys KEEP PUTTING UP ALL OF THEIR LYING BULLSHIT!!!! The world needs to keep seeing and hearing these monsters for what they really are! You are the GREATEST!
An AMERICAN wins a Nobel prize and these guys go out of their way to denigrate him. Who or what are they loyal to?
Here is a meme for you: "A traitor is someone who puts loyalty to their party above loyalty to their nation." Spread the meme!
750K...Big deal, IF... he is really serious, how ... ABOUT ALL OF THE TOYS!, $$$...give ´em just enough to keep ´em at bay, effin you know what I mean...:) Gore for nothing.
These war mongers just can't stand it. that sneering fool Kristol should get his someday, he and that villain, Norman Podhoretz.
asdf @ 64:
Last time i checked being able to write software programs does not make you able to discern fact from fiction. In fact, writing software does not require a background in sciance beyond computer science. But i am glad you found a job.
I knew the right wing was going to lost it over this but, you know, this is even better than I could have hoped for. Delicious.
Bill Christhole @ 21:
And Silver Medalist Honorable Mention Glenn Murphy....
The 1939 Noble prize for medicine was won by a German researcher named Gerhard Domagk for the development of sulfa antibiotics. However, Adolph Hitler forbade him from accepting the award because it had been previoulsy given to an anti-nazi activist. So Kristol, et al are in good company.
asdf @ 64:
That's a cheap tactic known as poisoning the well. For your information, everyone thinks the sky is blue, too. Without offering any reason for us to doubt the scientific consensus, you've cast aspersions on it, BECAUSE it's a consensus. Also, people think that objects released above the ground tend to fall . . . DOWN. It's just a consensus, though.
Authority Alert! An Authority has arrived to tell you that you're wrong. Everyone bow to the Authority!
And here's the three-card monte. "Go look at this indisputable evidence, and come back to me."
When this thread has died and no one is reading it anymore. You're too lazy or chicken to present the arguments yourself. Your refusal to discuss them in the thread means you don't really want to, because then they'd be held up to scrutiny, IN THE THREAD where you'd have to defend them. By simply pointing people to the video, over and over and over and over again, you avoid all that tiresome discussion. Although, we shouldn't waste your time, because you're a
chemical engineerbottom-feeding internet troll whose Authority cannot be challenged.Yes, we heard the first time. You didn't prove it then, and you're not proving it now.
Kristol looks like he's taking a huge, satisfying dump in that screen cap...
Global warming is a scam and 24 is the highest number.
Nicole Belle @ 29:
I've got to say, I like to see how the other side spins the news.
A news event happens and I think - okay - the response to this is obvious. Everyone will see now what a treasonous bunch Bushco is, they will get fed up, etc.
And then, you see something from the Fox channel (which I never in my normal life would otherwise see) and you realize how these guys will not let up - they are amazing - they have no shame, remorse or sense of responsibility. I do think it is eye-opening.
My friend lives in Portland, OR, and said they were so surprised in 2004 because everyone they knew was voting for Kerry and they were sure it was a shoe-in. It felt like it in LA but when I was driving up the Coast to SF in August of '04, I started seeing all these signs and posters for Bush out in the middle of CA - away from the bigger cities and I realized not only were they not voting for Kerry - it looked like they were politically active. It's made me not take anything for granted.
I have seen people say the Democrats will take the White House in '08 and I don't think it's a done deal. Especially if it is Hillary. And, if the DNC was so sure about it, they wouldn't say that dividing up CA means the Republicans would win. That means it is going to be a close race AGAIN.
Lasthorseman:
Lasthorseman @ 73:
Blow yourself, in an environmentally friendly way, of course!
asdf, I might as well try to "debate" evolutionary science with a religious fanatic as with a global conspiracy nutcase who buys unquestioningly into corporate financed propaganda from the far right Eagle Forum. Gee, you think those corporations might have some financial interests in getting you to believe their propaganda? If not, would you like to buy a bridge?
A little bit of information about Phylis Schafley's Eagle Forum:
Let's a;sp take a look at who funds them and what their objectives are:
The John M. Olin Foundation:
You think it might be more credible that a chemical and munitions manufacturer might have a vested financial interest in trying to undermine scientific consensus on global warming than it is that the scientific community is on the payrole of an international global conspiracy to spread Socialism? Just where is it that this international conspiracy is supposed to have obtained the billions of dollars needed to fund this? What is their financial interest?
asdf @ 64:
The real scam is the nonsense flat earthers like you mistake for fact, and the inability to distinguish your opinions from fact. A generation from now people will look back at people like you as the poster children of ignorance and selfishness. Enjoy your sordid legacy.
Come on...People?
Dennis...
Next event Gore does he has to come out to the song "Hate Me Now" by Nas.
Oh, and BTW, I can program in C++, but I won't make the claim that having that ability affords me with a capacity for critical or independent thinking skills. That is another subject entirely. But when it comes to conspiracies, the most likely answer has to do with following the money and figuring out in whose financial interest is being served. There is no logical financial interest that is served by promoting the science of global warming. There is a definite and logical financial interest however, for chemical and munitions manufacturers in denying it.
Krauthammer and Kristol have a right to their opinions - no matter how wrong they might be.
What bothers me is that people - including myself - allows these sanctimonious assholes to rent space in their heads. If we'd just pop the zits that they are and then ignore them, they'd be gone in a day or two.
If you gave Kristol some whiskers and tail he could pass for a rat in that pic - just in time for Halloween!
To Faux, peace is a prize at a carny Midway to be won via 3 cheapshots for a buck. And they're refusing to pay the dollar because they think the carny's overpaid and probably one o' them there illegals.
"There’s a maliciousness in (neo-cons) that scares me. They actively enjoy hating people".
Scott, they mostly hate the United States of Amertica, their own country. That's because their first and only loyalty is to Israel.
They don't give a shit if two million,nay, three million Iraqis (=goyim) would be killed, as long as Israel is safe. Fuck'em.
Speaking of conspiracy theories, how does it serve the interests of Israel to undermine global warming science? It seems to me that Big Oil and the Military industrial Complex have a much more direct interest in both the Iraq war and dismissing global warming.
editor @ 11:
well i give em the royal dickheads doushwad awards postumiously!
Hey! We're supposed to be the reality-based community!
tyree @ 102:
that's quite humorious! :lol:
Fascist Troglodyte.
Historically, if we are to learn anything from the rise of the NAZI party in Germany, corporate power and elite oligarchs always try to shift attention away from themselves by invoking the specters of international Jewish and Socialist conspiracies.
The American Heritage Dictionary defines Fascism as:
A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism.
The FAUX NOIZ BOYZ should just announce that they are jealous that they support the dumbest sob administraion ever and that Gore has been right about everything. We all see their jealousy so why the pretend game?
Snowball @ 101:
I think he's confused -
Israel is to AIPAC
As United States is to NeoCon
when the lights come on, he'll see the difference.
bmw 528 @ 93:
still haven't watched it have you?
funny, for an "open minded" liberal you sure have your mind made up.
obviously the ENTIRE scientific community is in agreement.
burry your head in the sand and respond with a "you know" type answer. [It's 'bury'-Sitemonitor]
Snowball @ 96:
WRONG!! It's in the movie (it's called "soft money"), i'm done spoon feeding you.
dave @ 72:
Socialism is a 'social system' not an economic system. Socialism involves placing control in the hands of citizens.
I take strong issue with your insistence that soclialism is a perjorative (sp). Control by and for the citizenry can only be seen as a bad thing to those who would choose control over the citizenry for themselves.
Pardon me, but you are opting to use the term socialism as a perjorative (sp) on the basis of its 'correctness' as an economic theory. Very questionable in my opinion. And I might add, indefensible as well. Many elements of the current system involve MAJOR industries that are in fact socialized. If this is a perjorative (sp) then you need to consistently argue your case against them (police, fire, military etc) and the socilized supports that exist for industry in general. A bumber sticker once said - America, socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor.
It is impossible for you to argue that capitalism exists in the US. Not with externalized costs, nested ownership of corporations, legally blocked competition etc.
kasinca @ 107:
why NOT pretend? didn't they pretend boosh won the 2000 election?
Hmmm ... let's weigh this. The First Loafer can't save hypothetical victims in a test based on a stupid teevee show, even when the test is loaded with gimmes, if he doesn't resort to cheating.
Meanwhile, President in Exile Gore is being celebrated by the world for possibly saving the actual planet. No wonder the Republicult is united in trying to pretend (without success) that the title bestowed on Nobel Laureate Al Gore is no big deal.
asdf, you haven't answered the question: Who gains financially by promoting global warming and where does the financing come from? I've shown the financial interests behind your video and the "scientists" and politicians who appear in it. Tell me where the money comes from behind global warming science and who gains.
Soft money from where and how is this vast fortune accumulated?
anon @ 111:
Snowball @ 114:
He can't answer. He is not here to answer. He is armed with talking points he does not comprehend so he can't argue about anything. He can only go look up more talking points. Wait a while and you may see all of them.
I love how anyone on the left getting any kind of positive recognicion just makes the rights heads explode. it's very entertaining to me...however I didn't watch the video those jerks make me sick.
Nicole Belle @ 29:
DickCheneyShotMeInTheFace @ 88:
I thought I was the only one to think he looks like he's seeking relief from constipation.
BTW, when someone shows up at a left leaning blog making extraordinary claims about an international conspiracy involving tens of thousands of people, it's up to them to make their case here, not order me to sit through an hour and a half long video from a dubious source (in this case, Phylis Shlafely's Eagle Forum) that is funded by extreme far right ideologues and vested financial interests.
Someone should tell Kristol that first it is a Peace Prize not a warmongering prize and that Al Gore was VP for 8 years no 4 years. And that Gore has been discussing global warming and the environment for over 30 years. And why are they calling Carter the most disgraceful president - truly stupid folks are over at Faux.
118 EJ
Are you demented?
Sorry, but i can't respond to you any other way that makes any sense to me.
All right, I've had my fun with the corporate brainwashed nutjobs on this thread, someone please take it from here.
EJ @ 119:
xoites defnds Constitution @ 117:
Lighten up on asdf,guys., He`s going to answer as soon as he gets back from filling up his Hummer for tomorrow.
I started to watch the film he thinks is the be all and end all of coup de anti-global warming science films,and when I saw those great scientists,Don Young(R-Alaska) and Phyllis Schlafly,I was totally underwhelmed.What does asdf stand for?
I`ll be back soon,I have to go fill up my Prius for the next three weels.
One could say it takes a bloviator to tell a bloviator. In Kristol's case I think Shakespeare said it best: "a man may smile and smile and be a dammned villain"
sully18 @ 126:
It means "I'm too lazy to even make up a shitty sockpuppet username, so I'll just type the first four letters of the home row."
Kind of emblematic of this sockpuppet's whole argument, if you think about it. Posting phony shit without a supporting argument, and then referring anyone who disputes his phony shit to "watch teh vid30z" before DARING to contradict him, takes just about as much intellectual effort as hammering out "asdf" on a keyboard does.
In other words, none at all.
Anon, where, when and how did I ever argue that America is a capitalist system? No economy in the world is purely "capitalist", "socialist" etc... The US is a complex mix of capitalism, socialism, corporate welfare, etc., with a heavy dose of Communism disguised as capitalism.
First, from a rhetorical standpoint, using the word socialist is not going to work. And, I still believe that socialism, like any "pure" economic system, is fatally flawed. Heck, one could argue that Somalia is pure capitalism, in that there is no government interference in their economy, since there is effectively no government.
By contrast, liberalism and progressivism are core values which we can adhere to, which of course encompass a complex mix of economic, social and political policies. Besides, we progressives and Dems should stick with communicating about core values, not specific economic theories which we adhere to. This is why Bush remains so popular among his dead-enders: he communicates his values, awful and detrimental as they are. That was what my original post was about anyway.
asdf @ 64:
Watched up to around 8:30
Speakers (in order of appearance)
Dr. Robert C. Balling - Director ASU
Balling has acknowledged that he had received $408,000 in research funding from the fossil fuel industry over the last decade (of which his University takes 50% for overhead). Contributors include ExxonMobil, the British Coal Corporation, Cyprus Minerals and OPEC.
Professor Tim Bell - Winnipeg
Dr. Ball claims never to have been paid by oil and gas interests, but if you look here , you'll find a Globe and Mail story in which Dr. Barry Cooper, the man behind Ball's former industry front group, the Friends of Science , offers this clumsy admission: "[The money's] not exclusively from the oil and gas industry," says Prof. Cooper. "It's also from foundations and individuals. I can't tell you the names of those companies, or the foundations for that matter, or the individuals." (Same guy? I think so. More here http://www.desmogblog.com/dr-tim-ball-the-lie-that-just-wont-die)
Ian Clark
Couldn't find much. But he is noted as appearing in "The Great Global Warming Swindle" fauxementary.
Richard Lindzen
Gelbspan reports Lindzen charged "oil and coal interests $2,500 a day for his consulting services; [and] his 1991 trip to testify before a Senate committee was paid for by Western Fuels and a speech he wrote, entitled 'Global Warming: the Origin and Nature of Alleged Scientific Consensus,' was underwritten by OPEC." (cavet: from wiki)
Chuck Hagel
Politician
Don Young (R-AK)
Politician under investigation. Bridge to nowhere
Phyllis Schlafly
The googles, they do nothing.
It's the Sun argument again. Ever consider there may be an additive effect?
8:21 - Uses "The Great Global Warming Swindle" for support
Stopped watching at that point.
BaScOmBe @ 125:
Good work BaScOmBe, looks like you just unmasked a freeper pretending to be a left wing conspiracy theorist so he can slip in some anti global warming sentiment while defaming Al Gore. They just never stop with the clowning, do they?
Peace @ 45:
this doesnt make her a christian wacko....it makes her a smart pol
Phyllis Schlafly
The googles, they do nothing.
Googling Phyllis Schlaffy sounds kinky but gives me a permanent and visceral speed wobble. I'm still shuddering. Thanks for the laugh Thing Fish.
Krugman's column tomorrow is on this very issue:
xoites defnds Constitution @ 123:
I'm sorry you are unable to express yourself beyond insult. Any you most certainly are an example of the "group think" of which I refer, and have mentioned many times here.
Snowball @ 132:
Again, another person choosing name calling over intelligent discussion. This is exactly what I was talking about to Nicole. You have no idea who I am or what my experience has been. All you know is I either disagree with you or challenge you to think for yourself and not with the "group think."
Peter G. @ 134:
You don't need to google Schafly. She was the prototype for Ann Coulter.
DickCheneyShotMeInTheFace @ 88:
You know that picture stuck a chord with me but I couldn't place it until I read your comment. That is the exact facial expression that Steve Martin used in Dirty Rotten Scoundrels when, as the character Ruppert he took a dump at the table. How apropos.
EJ @ 136:
Well, you are the one who claims to be "on the fringe." I see you out in space. I am tempted to ask you how Global Warming fits into some conspiracy about world domination but i am afraid you might answer.
Does Faux actually think that because Maura Liasson works for NPR, we'll think she's a liberal? Who the f%#k do they think they're kidding with the "fair and balanced" bullshit?
I think it's unfair that there should be another cable outlet named "The Cartoon Network" as long as Fox News is on the air.
Reasons to be a contrarian in regard to Climate Change:
1. Hurts the bottom line. We shouldn't be asked or told to cut back by anyone.
2. Impinges on national sovereignty.
3. It pays well.
I have yet to see scientific papers showing proof countering climate change is occurring. Just rebuttals and misuse of papers (see earlier Carbon Dioxide == Life thread).
I do think #2 has some validity. But given things like WTO, IMF, and treaties like NAFTA, I find the concern about national sovereignty to be a one of closing the barn doors after the animals were gone.
after a while these fashist cocksukers all look the same but this turd looks like mosolini, well ah mah sure
Funny, I think Al Gore got the correlation correct, but the cause and effect backwards and you all respond with a circle jerk of fallacies and name calling. Al Gore himself said more research needs to be done and agreed with some of the descent during his senate testimony.
His award was for raising awareness, not "being right". No one knows the answer yet (except a few people here somehow seem to know FOR SURE).
Please Al Gore, protect us from your followers.
Btw, I ride a mountain bike, run or walk everywhere I go. You can take the ad hominem Hummer shit and shove it. I'm also involved closely with two projects for future alternative energy sources and plan to attend the American Chemistry Society meeting here in town where they will be talking about such things.
oh my, and mocking 'asdf' that "really got to me"....LOL!!!! you won with that....LOL!!!
> Stopped watching at that point.
Keep that head burried, it's one less mouth to feed. Gore's cause and effect is backwards, you'll see it someday when you get over yourself. [It's 'buried'-Sitemonitor]
I see, so global warming is causing carbon dioxide emisions...
asdf @ 145:
Feel free to come back when you have something redemptive to discuss. Nobody's absolutely "right" here, including you. And as far as getting over yourself---take your own advice.
xoites defnds Constitution @ 140:
I'll pass. The close-mindedness of many on this "liberal" blog is profoundly sad to me.
In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary George Orwell 1984
Whew!
There's no levity with these assholes. They try to make their own truth.
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