Countdown: The Right's Attacks On Children Continue - This Time It's A Toddler
By Logan Murphy Monday Oct 15, 2007 8:37pm
We've been covering the ongoing attacks on SCHIP and Graeme Frost by Republican Spokesghoul Michelle Malkin and the rabid-right and on tonight's Countdown, Keith Olbermann calls out Republican Sen. Mitch McConnell and his staffer for their now-"retracted" e-mail hackery and talks with the New York Times' Paul Krugman about the new attacks launched against toddler and SCHIP recipient, Bethany Wilkerson. Remember, there is no basement in the Right's house of horrors.
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Krugman, who was smeared by Sen. McConnell's office for reporting the truth, gives props to the blogosphere and Democrats for their successful pushback against the right's normally successful smear campaigns. One programming note, the parents of Bethany Wilkerson will be appearing on Countdown tomorrow night. Rest assured, we will be watching...
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Bastards.
Now we find out that people who do not have health insurance should not have children if they are going to get sick. I had no idea. It seems to me if we are to go that far we should not allow people to have children who are going to grow up to be mean spirited, evil, right wing Republicans.
This is a program i could get behind.
No coverage of Kucinich on Colbert last night?
Run an ad featuring a fetus!
gutemacht @ 3:
You can see it on my site if you wish.
Bethany Wilkerson?? F*** her!! I'll take an extra 'patriotic victory' week in Eye-Raq instead!
This whole issue has been one big minefield for the wingnuts, yet they keep coming back for more. Well, if they insist ...
Eamon @ 6:
26 of those will buy you a Freedman Unit.
The question has been asked why they attack the messanger rather than the policy. I honestly don't think they see the difference.
Willie @ 9:
...or they know they can't attack the policy.
xoites defends Constitution @ 5:
I was more just wondering if they just hadn't gotten to it yet or something here, as I don't quite get why they'd snub him here.
Where are the Republican family values?
These so-called values people would rather deny gay people the right to marry then provide the children of the nation health care coverage.
The Republican party is part and parcel of the wave of fascist power being displayed by this administration.
They are endorsed by religious leaders who preach Christ for profit.
xoites defends Constitution @ 2:
If you want to keep repeating that, xoites, it's fine with me. But the guy you are referring to said no such thing, nor was he implying that. Krugman and Olbermann are dishonest to repeat it.
If you were truly interested in what he said, you can read it here. Or if you prefer to keep repeating the liberal canard of the day, be my guest. I've read many of your posts and I know you care, but to micharacterize what this guy said is wrong.
xoites defends Constitution @ 2:
This is just a new take on Gingrich's early 90's idea that poor families should put their children in orphanages.
dennis @ 13:
Oh, I'm sorry. Suddenly it is I who has the responsibility to be accurate? The right wing gets a pass?
Republicans are NOT human.
Police Release Composite Sketches of Suspects in Randi Rhodes Assault
http://www.unconfirmedsources.com/?itemid=2819
L.A. Confidential @ 17:
this is gooood.....ya had me going for a second.........
Sorry, xoites. Shouldn't come down on you, but it did bother me what these two guys said about the National Review guy, and then they both implied that's what Republicans think; better for these children never to have been born. Maybe I'm naive, I just don't know anyone on the right who thinks exactly this way.
Oh come on, people! Let's put this entire episode into perspective: If you stumbled onto Dick Chaney devouring a live baby in a dark alley, would you be surprised? I mean really surprised? I wouldn't.
xoites defends Constitution @ 15:
I don't think he's giving the right wing a pass. He's not exactly a government official who can bring about consequences to their reckless actions. He's some dude posting on a comments board trying to correct something he saw someone say when he noticed it was wrong.
But why take on such a sarcastic tone with that guy, anyway, when you can be out using against the right wing, right?
I wish more people would give Krugman air time. He always makes perfect sense, has his facts down, and exhibits the kind of compassion that is rare in today's world.
He is best when he is on by himself, i.e. sans other guests, because he is so well mannered and a perfect gentleman and is often interrupted and talked over--see Bill Maher from last week.
On economic matters, I think no reichwanker will appear with him because he is so knowledgable he blows away their arguments without breaking a sweat.
dennis @ 13:
I am reading his original article. This is pure bullshit:
"With two properties and three cars the Frost family’s personal wealth and relative need for free health insurance was the subject of much controversy."
Let's get down to the accuracy, shall we?
L.A. Confidential Says:
Police Release Composite Sketches of Suspects in Randi Rhodes Assault
http://www.unconfirmedsources.com/?itemid=2819
It was "Suspect B" ; Fat Bastard Limpballs pushed Rhodes out of the way to get at a passing hot dog cart .........
Blue Buddha @ 10:
I don't know, their lies and distortions would probably be more effective if they focused on the policy. But they're aren't satisfied with that approach. I think they believe they own the emotional issues -- patriotism, illegal immigration, family values etc. They know that's what their supporters respond to, and they don't want the Dems stepping on their turf. If that means kicking around a disabled 12-year-old, well so be it. This really goes to the heart of what the wingnuts have become. That they're willing to go down in flames over this just shows how far gone they are.
That's my best guess, anyway.
mudshark @ 18:
Apparently she's not as seriously hurt as reported when the story broke this morning. Actually I probably shouldn't have posted that because it's not really funny. But quite fitting for todays hostile political climate.
They should have included Coulter in that.
dennis Says:
Sorry, xoites. Shouldn’t come down on you, but it did bother me what these two guys said about the National Review guy, and then they both implied that’s what Republicans think; better for these children never to have been born. Maybe I’m naive, I just don’t know anyone on the right who thinks exactly this way.
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Are you implying that a group of brainless cretins that would attempt to smear a 12 year old boy and a 2 year old girl , believe there are things that are "off limits" ?
Are you drunk ?
dennis @ 13:
with all due respect ...how long has the right been falsely profiling people.....a decade...maybe two?...or more.And they've been doing it on the MSM...not on a private blog....sorry dennis...no offense.
I am sorry, but i think i have a right to be furious. I am furious with people who claim living in a responsible society that takes care of its citizens is a "Socialist Conspiracy." I am furious with people who lie about and attack people who stand up for what they believe in. But i am especially furious with those that believe them and refuse to think for themselves.
MCMetal @ 24:
Either that or he was in withdrawal and running down the street trying to score an oxy fix.
L.A. Confidential @ 26:
She really got attacked?...I haven't made it to the MSM yet....so I don't know.
mudshark @ 31:
If you look downthread what actually happened is in doubt. She may have had an accident, she may have been mugged. I have no idea at this point.
if she was attacked..it doesn't surprise me........it was just a matter of time before one of them went off the deep end......I'm more surprised there hasn't been more.Their so full of hate.
xoites defends Constitution @ 29:
Hey, that's great. But based on his posts here, Dennis isn't any of those. So if you wanna be mad at all those people, feel free. Just don't think you're also justified in taking it out on someone else when they point out your errors just because the truth might not like the right wing to look as bad as you want them to.
I mean, you wouldn't lash out at someone who says "George Bush IS the POTUS" after you go about saying "Some right wingers are so stupid, they think George Bush is the POTUS".
Or would you?
xoites defends Constitution @ 29:
People do think for themselves, xo. Just because they don't agree with you, please don't assume they aren't thinking.
Has it ever occurred to wingnuts that if Jesus were born today, his parents would have qualified for S-CHIP? I can see the attack ad now:
(ominous-sounding music up)
"Democrats say the government should pay for baby Jesus' health care. But how was baby Jesus conceived? Not by Mary's husband, Joseph. And where did Mary choose to give birth to her child? In a stable! And what did Mary and Joseph do with the gold they received as a baby shower gift? Couldn't they have used that to buy health care for baby Jesus?
"The facts are clear. Democrats want to spend your tax money on irresponsible parents who have children out-of-wedlock!"
r€nato @ 37:
LOL! Don't forget the late-model burro parked outside.
The 12-year-old fought back, so now they're figuring they should aim a little lower.
Remember: Repubs are the biggest cowards in the world.
dennis @ 35:
Ok, i will appologize. However, after reading his article (not his article about the article) it seems to me he has condemned these people as irresponsible for having a child without health insurance. That takes a lot of nerve. He implies that she left a job with health insurance out of choice, she called it unmanagable, he said she called it "unmanagable."
This, at best is slimy journalism. I especially get a kick out of this statement: "While USAction and a labyrinthine maze of leftist activist groups prepare to rally around images of Tampa Bay’s Most Photogenic Baby holding up a crayon sign that says “Don’t Veto Me,” Dara and Brian Wilkerson are real poster children — for irresponsible decisions."
"...labyrinthine maze of leftist activist groups..."
How nice!
dennis @ 13:
Oh please
That writer at NRO (a piece of shit wrong wingnut crap site anyway) , Mark Hemingway , isn't exactly noted for being honest and /or factually accurate (not that NRO is , either) ............
It begs the question: How far over the cliff do these people have to leap before they start losing their 28%er lemmings? What do they have to do? They've got the blood of children on their hands and still the hyper-hypocritical dittoheads somehow think it's the damned liberals who are trying to destroy America. If something like this isn't enough to wake at least the other 72% out of their sleepwalk and start showing some outrage over the way we're being governed, I don't know what the hell it's going to take.
And I've had enough of Democrats tiptoeing in fear and refusing to take a stronger stand on this kind of stuff, even after the poll numbers come in dramatically in their favor. Come out with the guns blazing, for God's sake. These slimey Repubs not only value corporate profits over the lives of our children, they've doing their best to shred the Constitution under your watch. Have some f**king guts or move over and make room for some real Americans to take charge! Son of a bitch, this stuff really pisses me off. Kids are dying because bed-wetting politicians are afraid of being labeled "socialists" and/or they're afraid of someone turning off the Big Insurance money spigot that they want to ride to the White House. Giving people tax breaks in exchange for forcing them to buy overpriced insurance that doesn't guarantee them care is not a f**king "health care plan!!!"
I want my country back.
He goes on to say, "From there she took a job at a restaurant with no health insurance, and the couple went on to have a baby anyway, presuming that others would pay for it and certainly long before they knew their daughter would have a heart defect that probably cost the gross national product of Burkina Faso to fix."
According to the CIA Burkina Faso has a GDP of $18.94 billion (2006 est.)
I think exageration is a very polite way of describing the fellow.
xoites defends Constitution @ 43:
That's a rather interesting quote. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for universal health care, and all that, but where DO we draw the line as far as personal responsibility?
Granted, this man doesn't seem to realize that people don't exactly CHOOSE to, and aren't exactly counting on having unhealthy children, so I don't quite see how universal health care would be over that line.
attacking children.........how pathetic is that?....I hope their proud.fuckin lowlifes
gutemacht @ 44:
Screw the lines! You want lines? Let's put a cap on earnings! Who the fuck needs to make $10 million a year? Why do some CEO's make over $40,000 an HOUR? Yes, let's draw some REAL FUCKING LINES!
It's all about the money. . .
dennis @ 35:
What are those that are still so insistent that we stay and remain part of Chimpy's Idiotic Iraq Adventure possibly thinking about ?
Their bank accounts because they all own stock in Halliburton ?
ralph @ 47:
Most true and concise statement on this thread so far.
I have to admit that I do not know much about Bethany Wilkerson, or her case. Having followed the right-wing fanatics since the Reagan administration’s advent of American Fascism, I am well aware that these people know zero boundaries. None at all. It should be apparent by now that the right wing crowd spews the vitriol that spreads across America. Right-wingers and their ilk on talk radio stir the ignorant and ugly American citizens into the violent rages which end up in death threats. So, yes, I do hold the entire right wing apparatus responsible for conditioning Americans to be cold, coarse, and hateful towards other citizens. The right wingers have been able to escape responsibility for their assaultive-like words for far too long. These right wingers are well funded by the likes of the Coors, Scaife, and DeBeers families to spread such hatred and vitriol. These right wingers know exactly what they are doing when they utter their hateful rhetoric, but profit and make millions off it, at the expense of people with lesser means. Right wingers do not think anything of children, elderly, or anyone else, receiving any help from the state. If you cannot make it on your own, “too bad” and “die” is how the right wing think. They do not give a damn if you live or die in their book, and look at you as losers if you are unable to be “self-sufficient.” Right-wingers on the airwaves daily are nothing but stooges to uphold the extreme-radical dogma daily. Right-wingers think nothing of polluting the public/political discourse and their hate has no bounds. I will not yield from my position of holding right wing “icons” responsible for what has happened to American society and culture. The Right-wingers have nothing but contempt for anyone who may need a helping hand from the government. These people on the right loathe all government programs and anyone who receives help or assistance from the government will always be looked down upon as a “lesser human being” by people on the right who see any program of the government as either “socialism” or “communism.” The right wingers see these programs as an enemy and those who receive help are looked upon as enemies of America. Yes, the right wingers are deranged people indeed. The right wing have declared war on the poor long ago and then denounce any talk about real economics as “class warfare.” The right-wing are always playing class warfare, but to talk about it honestly is not a virtue they have. Yes, class warfare on the middle and lower classes has been in full motion since the Reagan administration. The ones who do not want to talk about class warfare on the right are these talk show hosts who whores themselves to the likes of old money from the Coors, Scaife, and DeBeers families.
Mr. McConnell and the Malkinites of the blogosphere should thank their lucky stars that the Bastille is not merely a tourist trap but is not located in the US ... or me might reopen it to put their squalid "Let Them Eat Cake" butts in there to wait fo that fabulous blade to drop on them.
J.C. @ 42:
Don't hold back JC, tell us how you really feel.
All kidding aside, I agree with you completely. I do not understand the dems. Apparently at least 70% of the country wants a change. Why are they so damn timid? You're words describe perfectly how I feel.
Glinda @ 51:
Send them to Guantanamo Bay ; most of those empty-headed wrong wingnut screaming banshees were all singing the praises of the food served there.......
50 Mr. XXXX
Very well said.
dennis @ 19:
george w bush?
Krugman did an outstanding job against the selfish Flintstonians
xoites defends Constitution @ 46:
Yes, I agree that an earnings cap would be a good line. You really don't have to use the BillO 'I'm the maddest guy in the room so of course I'm right' tone to convince me.
Ok, then would someone please get angry?
Besides, i don't want to draw lines on health insurance. Everyone should have it.
xoites defends Constitution @ 58:
And if you read what I said, instead of jumping at the first chance to sound like such a tough guy, you'd see that I agree with that, too.
Lord, you know things are getting bad when leftwingers start using such rightwing tactics.
Blue Buddha @ 10:
Correct! I would love to hear their attempt to explain why they don't believe children should have health coverage. And why can't anyone point out when the right says that these people are being used that the right used a dead woman for their agenda, a woman who could not speak either for or against the right wing ideals...which is why they chose a dead woman for their fight (no offense to the Schaivo family intended).
I work with a guy who is fairly smart and a logical thinker, yet he's a republican and of course when I bring facts to him he doesn't know any of them, only what he sees on the TEEVEE and I keep telling him if he knew the facts there is no way he would support the policies, but like all republicans he does his best to steer clear of the facts.
gutemacht @ 59:
Just because i am pissed off does not mean i am resorting to tactics. Sometimes i am just pissed off.
isn't it the wingnuts who think we should all have as many kids as possible and trust in God to provide for them?
(sounds to me like an argument for birth control and reproductive choice!)
xoites defends Constitution @ 61:
Gah! Okay, but READ what I'm saying if you're going to reply.
BE angry at what the govt is doing, most people already are. That doesn't mean you have to attack anyone that disagrees with you.
Well these day, I often hear people ask what Jesus would say or do. Recently, I found him and asked his opinion on today's America. Jesus told me he isn't very happy with many who speak for him. And he is rather furious with the Michelle Malkins, Rush Limbaughs and Mitchell McConells of this country. Jesus told me that they are going to hell. Apparently sending the right-wing hate machine against innocent children damns one for eternity. I wonder if it was worth it. Bummer, eh?
I attacked noone. Look, do yourself a favor and NEVER testify before Congress about anything. The right wing will give you a nervous breakdown.
they attack children in afganistan and iraq so why wouldn't they attack children in the u.s.. the g.o.p. is all about death and destruction nowadays and you are either with them or against them. if you are against them, i suggest you get the g.o.p voter registration rolls in your area and prepare to defend your communities from these people.
xoites defends Constitution @ 5:
you are the muhfuggin' man!
I donno..that arguement bout being poor and therefore not have kids does seem persuasive...Like how woudl u guys argue against that?
BaScOmBe @ 68:
gawsh...
dennis @ 13:
Then let's put Hemingway's comments into proper perspective. He is an arrogant, judgmental, and condescending jerk. He has all the time to judge and condemn others but no time to offer understanding and empathy. He condemns others from his lofty perch of haughty superiority and self centeredness, saying in essence, what's good for me is good for everyone. He is little more than a modern day Commodore Vanderbilt where it's every man for himself.
In other words, he's about normal for a Republican. I look forward to helping to bury them next November.
RasslinGod @ 69:
When I had my kids, if I had waited until I could afford them I wouldn't have had any. You deal with what comes. I was lucky and had no major illnesses or accidents. In todays world though, people are working 2 jobs and barely making ends meet. Does that mean they don't deserve the joy of having children? Should only rich have children? Aren't we all supposed to have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness or is that only for the rich?
bmw 528 @ 71:
Ever see Mark Hemingway ...........?
He's a badly balding , tub of crap ........
Oh , you're right ; he's about normal for a Republican .
RasslinGod @ 69:
Since when does having a certain numerical figure in a bank account(s) , make anyone a better parent ?
Did Shrub Sr and gross Barbara Shrub having money make Chimpy Jr turn out "better" ? (Obviously not)
Did Chimpy and Laura Shrub having money make their twins not be useless , party-hopping pigs ?
MCMetal @ 73:
What he looks like on the outside pales next to the toxic person on the inside. Hope he has fun with his new minority status for the next 30 years or so.
bmw 528 @ 71:
you may use my shovel!
xoites defends Constitution @ 2:
it's amazing that they can come up with that reasoning and throw in that a woman should stay in an unmanagable job for the health insurance. As if she planned her own hardship just so she could get S-CHIP. And again tarring the Frosts in the process. They are scum, the lot of them. fuck them all. I can easily hate these people who hate the suffering children. They equated these parents to evil masochistic soccer moms. I don't care why they do it. It doesn't make a difference, so I won't try to understand. I'm tired of asking.
Janet @ 72:
asked and answered!
xoites defends Constitution @ 66:
And you make about as much sense as your standard rightwinger, too.
tyree @ 76:
after you're done, I'll just spit on the grave.
gutemacht @ 79:
pretty intense for a concern troll, aren't you?
gutemacht @ 59:
concern trolling is in bad taste as well as hypocritical. what is your real reason for riding XDTC?
BaScOmBe @ 82:
I dont understand this whole 'concern troll' thing. Wanting to try and keep people's facts straight to strengthen their side of the debate is somehow a bad thing? Is it favorable to speak falsehoods simply to bolster your case?
gutemacht @ 83:
I think the quote from you i would look to to support the "concern troll" theory would be, "That’s a rather interesting quote. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for universal health care, and all that, but where DO we draw the line as far as personal responsibility?"
Universal Health Care is not about judging other people's "personal responsibility." We are human beings. We are going to make mistakes. It sounds like you are suggesting a board of inquiry into the "moral fitness" of a prospective recipient of health care.
If the shoe fits...
xoites defends Constitution @ 84:
It's funny how you COMPLETELY ignore the sentences directly preceeding those that you have quoted me as saying, where I clearly say that health care wouldnt fall under the line of personal responsibility.
It's kinda laughable though how you don't see how all these little tricks of your are exactly what one might expect you to hate the rightwingers for. Even more laughable when I'M the one getting called the hypocrit.
Ignore them? I can't even find them.
gutemacht @ 44:
It's all RIGHT there.
Do you just play stupid to get people to go to your website or something?
gutemacht @ 87:
Where in the hell does that say this?
Maybe you think i am playing stupid. I am certain you ain't.
Wow dude. I'm sure glad we have you to defend the constitution. I don't know that we'd be able to do it without you.
gutemacht @ 89:
Thank you. Maybe someday you will join us.
Blue Buddha @ 8:
The ratio of FU's to uninsured children is 26:1, but what is the corresponding ratio of dead soldiers, wounded soldiers, and brutally murdered Iraqis to an FU? Until you've put all those together you cannot calculate the true human cost of an FU. But I do know that telling people to wait another FU is telling at least 26 uninsured children to F Off.
These people are fucking sociopaths, that's for sure.
xoites defends Constitution @ 90:
Because I'm incapable of defending the constitution if I point out your poor reading comprehension skills. Right.
gutemacht @ 92:
Exactly.
UR WEIRD!
94 gutemacht
If you were the very first to notice you might have earned a medal. Better luck next time.
xoites defends Constitution @ 95:
UR ALSO SO WITTY
gutemacht @ 96:
You look taller in all caps. :)
It is quite simple, this issue of insuring children regardless of their parents income or assets.
And the children shall suffer for the sins of the parents.
What could be more clear.
pookers @ 98:
Brilliant summation!
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Janet @ 72:
Janet, dear, havent you been paying attention? The only ones who are allowed to thrive and be happy are the rethug pigs and the perverted christians.
BTW - can someone get the name and email address of that bastard aide of mitchypoo's and publish it online? Id love to send him an email and tell him what a lying prick he is.
Yes, the fascist cultists who weep over stem cells and embryos sure worship life, don't they? Until it's born, apparently. What I love is the economic Darwinism of these people, who, while denying Evolution exists, and working continously to ban contraceptives and abortion rights, will tell you to your face, that certain people made "bad choices" and shouldn't conceive children, and thus drain money away from the necessary on-going warcrime and profiteering in Iraq and beyond, for which we must have infinite dollars available. We sure as hell can't be squandering them on the middle class, or even worse, the POOR!
Given their stated agenda of compulsory reproduction, just how are people supposed to prevent such irresponsible conception? Oh, and how are people supposed to know beforehand of any potential illnessess or birth defects on the part of the offspring? The word "eugenics" leaps to mind, so I suppose what they're really saying is we should genetically pre-screen everybody to determine their "worthiness" to reproduce, the results to be heavily skewed in favor of financial and of course, religious, bona fides. Last I heard, this sort of thinking resulted in "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing".
But you'd think they'd want to keep the future cannon fodder healthy, would you not? Oh no, wait, that's SOCIALISM!!!! We can't have that! The only "welfare" around here is earmarked for the wealthy, and the corporate-mafia war profiteers.
I seem to remember that Jesus, who they all claim has a running monologue playing in their brains, or whatever it is that occupies their skulls, said, "Suffer the little children to come unto me, for of such are the Kingdom of Heaven". He also remarked, "As ye do unto the least of these, so you do it unto me." Evidently Jesus, eager to keep pace with the NeoCons, has changed his script to mirror the despicable scum that currently claim to serve him.
The Republican war on children, the middle class and the poor.
They have always been this evil; the difference is, today we can catch them.
The problem is, it takes a full scale database to catalog all their crimes and outrages.
Let there be a Republican ScandalBase!
Rosanne....Well shit.
ok. I have sent an application to the RNC to see if I am approved to have sex with my wife and try to bring a child into this bizarre world.
I am straight. The bathroom leg taps and hand brushes were me jsut being fidgety
I am faithful. The lord has forgiven me for my other sexual tresspasses (20 times over)
I do not lie. That is not my nose that is growing
I love bush. Oh..not the president. But the other one....I am a man after all...
I have selective short term memory. I never said I had poor memory.
My health insurance score is 800
My credit score is 810
My sperm count needs a lot of help
I have no CHIPs planted anywhere on my body
Now I have crossed my fingers and am awaiting the approval.
What do you think are my chances?
bbwar @ 105:
Do you vote correctly?
I AM WEIRD
and tired...
GNA :)
xoites defends Constitution @ 106:
DAMN! I only voted three times for Bush...DAMN DAMN DAMN
dennis @ 19:
Here are your conclusions on the issue:
Uhhh.. excuse me? Pot calling kettle black, much? Isn't putting children in the political debates the whole message of the anti-abortion arguments? Or the right-wing arguments against SB 777 that forbids discrimination in California schools based on homosexuality? And you have the balls to defend the trashiest of Republican scum who claim these children are nothing but "human shields" when the repukes can't establish one single reason against this plan based on something other than personal greed?
Zenrage @ 109:
And What's this? George Bush with a 'snowflake' (Excuse me while I vom) baby, ostensibly showing why stem cell research BAD
From The Nation http://www.thenation.com/blogs/outrage?pid=2905
"Republicans have invented a new strategy for discounting science: snowflake babies. First, Republicans opposed to the bipartisan stem-cell research bill, which passed the House on Thursday, arranged a press conference with families that have adopted frozen excess embryos, featuring 21 of the 81 snowflake babies. Then, in the afternoon, President Bush appeared at the Rose Garden for a photo op with the snowflake babies as part of a press conference on bioethics. (Click here, here and here for the pictures.) And, finally, the biggest baby lover of them all, Tom "the Hammer" DeLay, spoke on the House floor behind a poster of--what else--enlarged photos of snowflake babies."
I didn't see lefty blogs making up stories about the parents OR publishing their personal info on blogs.
OK so now it's settled.
People who grow up to be a nuisance in society like mishell malikin, rush liball and ann culter should not have allowed their parents to have sex and procreate them.
Instead, since they had no say so of being born AND they have turned out to be takng out way too much space on this planet, mishell malikin, rush liball and and culter should simply kill themselves. Now THAT would solve a lot of the world's ills, that's for sure!
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Mr. XXXX @ 50:
Dude... a little white space please( add a few paragraphs or hit enter a few times), have pity on my poor old eyes.
Grandma Jefferson @ 102:
Very well said, madame.
Mitch McConnell says that liberals "credited" him with attacking Graeme. Credited him??? We really accused him or blamed him since he and his office slandered this child and his family. Graeme is a survivor who should be nurtured and encouraged, not assaulted by people like Senator Mitch who claim to be good Christians. In the animal world, the older animals take care of their young. They defend them with their lives, nurture them, feed them, and comfort them. The Republicans nurture, protect,support, and and feed the Eric Princes of the world and kick children when they need help or just say that the children shouldn't have been born in the first place. What kind of perverse, sick behavior is this? This is the world of Ebeneezer Scrooge and Tiny TIm. Welcome to America 2007! Come unto us little children. We don't care whether you live or die. Just let nature take its course fast so that you don't cost us anything.
The more vicious and disgusting the GOP become, the more you have to feel sorry for them. They clearly have no soul, no compassion, and no humanity.
"xoites defends Constitution @ 58:
Ok, then would someone please get angry?
Besides, i don’t want to draw lines on health insurance. Everyone should have it.
And if you read what I said, instead of jumping at the first chance to sound like such a tough guy, you’d see that I agree with that, too.
[concern trolling]
I don't see rightwing tactics...the NRO article was meanspirited, implying that Dara Wilkerson left her job knowing that she was going to have a baby, when she actually left the job several years prior. Also, did she know, upon getting pregnant, that her baby was going to need lifesaving surgery? Was the family that prescient? Are any of us that all knowing? Should everyone wait to have a child until they are certain that any and all "bases" are covered, and that all catastrophic illnesses will be paid for? Should that include the sudden onset of cancer, Parkinsons (don't get married until a prospective spouse gives a complete family history), heart disease, and the like?
One sentence jumped out at me from the article..."We know that Dara is at least capable of getting a job with insurance — so why does she not have one now?" Does Mr. Hemingway assume that the Wilkerson's would be able, if Dara did as he blithely suggested, to insure a child with a pre-existing condition? If they were able to, the costs would be astronomical.
Mr. Hemingway is now griping that he was misunderstood. Sorry, no he wasn't; he was understood all too well. That's his biggest problem right now.
Said it before, I'll say it again.
Create a society where the rich get richer, the poor get poorer, the middle class ceases to exist.
Make sure you have laws, inequities in law enforcement, etc. that guarantee minorities tend to NOT be in the rich 1% but in the 99% of have-nots.
Then say that the have nots should not reproduce, it's irresponsible, etc., and make sure they are penalized for it - make sure their kids suffer.
result - a kinder, gentler genocide.
What a f-%-ing country "you people" live in!!! My gawd.
Tom Tomorrow is
prettyvery funny this week, and on topic.http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2007/10/15/tomo/
I say f$%k the kids. They should be tossed in the gutter at birth. Let them fend for themsleves. It's America: NO FREE RIDES!!! Any questions?
Spicegal @ 116:
I'll feel sorry for them when I see them shaking in their soiled diapers. Not before. ;) (That'll be post-revolution stuff.)
gutemacht @ 83:
xoites defends Constitution @ 15:
1) x-man was correctly characterizing the shitty tome at nro and you pretend he didn't
2) you 'quote this comment' on every one of his entries.
3) you did not not acknowledge the veracity of the statements or the validity of his opinion so you can easily be judged guilty of what you accuse him of
ergo, CONCERN TROLL
Craig @ 118:
I believe reichwingers call it culling the herd.
gutemacht @ 85:
CONCERN TROLLING: this fits all the criteria
I only see Olberman in clips on C&L but unlike the reich wing talking head clips I can watch the Olberman clips because he's calm, intelligent and talks about facts. Not to mention that when he interviews someone he asks them a question and then even gives them time to answer. Do you suppose the wingers will ever catch on to Keith's "crazy" interview style?
Me either.
MargeAggedon @ 124:
Good point you've got there Marge.
Willie @ 9:
They attack the messenger rather than the policy because they can't attack the policy. S-CHIP is all about the Christian ethic of being "my brother's keeper." Their platform is completely hypocritical because deep down, it is really based on money and what's good for business, not what's good for people. Yet they claim to be Christians while Dems are godless infidels (if this sounds like the Taliban, there is no coincidence).
Thanks to C&L for spotlighting two of my favorite media folks ever, Olbermann and Krugman, who sound ever so more rational than the ranters on Faux Noise.
How long are we going to let this insanity go on? What is it going to take for us to get universal health care like the rest of the world? The public wants it and business is starting to want it, but somehow it still doesn't happen. All these half-measures aren't going to work, even SCHIP is a half measure because kids are going to fall through the rather large cracks in the system and not be covered as was just discussed on this clip. The irony of all this I advocate for something in universal health care that right now in the short term would cost me way, way more for universal health care than what we have now because of where my wife works and how much it costs us for insurance.
dennis @ 13:
God all mighty: Your right-wing pals on Fox characterize for profit.
You are a complete asshole, a goal you have prov-en in this blog
many times but never given the recognition you deserve. Congratulations.
Did you say National Review? :-)
maxcat06 @ 116:
Hemingway wasn't misunderstood. He meant every word he said. He just forgot to put his brain in gear before engaging his mouth. I'd like to think he'd use better discretion next time but I doubt it since that isn't a neocon trait.
Oh come on, people! Let’s put this entire episode into perspective: If you stumbled onto Dick Chaney devouring a live baby in a dark alley, would you be surprised? I mean really surprised? I wouldn’t.
No, I wouldn't be surprised, but I'd make sure [Deleted. Please don't advocate violence on this site-Sitemonitor]
Mike @ 128:
First Mike, I don't know you or anything remotely about you, so I don't give a shit what you think about me. Yes, it was about a writer in the National Review; that's who Olbermann and Krugman were referring to. Whether you agree with the writer or not is not my concern, but he in no way implied that it was better if this girl were never born, and these two guys bobbing their heads up and down at each other on every point each makes are lying about what that writer said. Then they carry it further by saying 'that's how Republicans think'. That is bullshit, the kind of tactics decried on here every day on every thread abut the right, and these two guys are dishonest in their characterizations.
I would think you'd expect better of them. Maybe I'm wrong about that.
L.A. Confidential @ 26:
dennis @ 131:
Who in the hell are you to claim Olbermann and Krugman are being 'dishonest' , while at the same time trying to deflect crticism from where it rightly belongs ; in the lap of Mark Hemingway , who has never been known to be anywhere near honest nor factual ?
You exemplify that which the 'right' is all about ; you excuse-make for every screw-up and mistake by those in the horseshit GOP or those who back them , and believe you possess some continuing sort of credibility to keep prattling on with your weak , insipid piss , when you have all the conscious and trustworthiness of a rattlesnake and an almost decade-long list of erroneous predictions/decisions....
Hemingway , in his stupid little blog post , even questions the wisdom of the financial decisions the Wilkerson family made and how that should have been a major issue before having their child.
That moron Hemingway is atypical of you nitwits that back the GOP ; money is the overwhelming issue , not the type person you are or parent you will be or are.
How many people IN THE WORLD now wish the Shrub family had a lot less money and a lot more brains and character ?
You are nothing but an apologist douchebag.............
Go ahead, candy coat it.
McMetal-
I make one point, and one point only. That Hemingway did not say it would be better if this girl had never been born. Olby and Krugman lie about his having said that. Every other criticism I leave to you guys to bash him about.
If you want to fault me for that point, fine, but at least refute it first.
If only she were two years younger. The Republican Party only respects children in the womb. Once they're out they consider them the enemy. Democrats should have a fetus speak in favor of SCHIP then the Republicans' heads would explode: they'd want to smear her for opposing the President's policies, but she's inside the womb, but they must smear her, but she's inside the womb, but hey must smear her...BOOOOOOOM!
Hemmingway's point is crystal clear: poor people shouldn't have babies. Even poor white people.
I suspect any minute now he will be besieged by John Gibson, Pat Buchanan, and all the other pus-heads who fear America will be overrun by Mexicans and negroes if more caucasians don't reproduce.
Waiting... waiting...
Compassionate conservatism. What a joke.
dennis @ 135:
apparently, ANOTHER CONCERN TROLL!
pathetic
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It's a sad sad story...!
SCHIP: Politicians and Parents Exploiting Kids
As the father of two daughters, I have been watching the antics on Capitol Hill with increasing disgust. The only people more contemptible than the politicians who exploit kids like Graeme Frost and Bethany Wilkerson are the parents who allow it.
WTF ...
they're getting old and tired. They can't take on the third graders anymore.
Cracker's for Christ @ 134:
I much prefer edible panties to candy coats.
Howard Rourke @ 51:
Don't hold back JC, tell us how you really feel.
All kidding aside, I agree with you completely. I do not understand the dems. Apparently at least 70% of the country wants a change. Why are they so damn timid? You're words describe perfectly how I feel.
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I'll tell you why the Dems are so damn timid. Because they are just a different faction of the same political party. It's called the Corporatist party. The Dems are right there in the gutter with the GOP. They're not quite as evil or perverted as the Repukes, but they loves the money too.
It's quite obvious the Democratic majority isn't interested in doing a damn bit of good for we the people. Their unwillingness to even put up a weak fight is a clear indication this country is headed for the toilet.
Wait a second.. attacking a child.. and telling the parents they shouldn't have children if they can't afford to take care of them. Are the party that support Pro Life just endorsed having an abortion?
Hey dennis [Deleted. Abusive. No personal attacks-Sitemonitor]
Here is fat moron Hemingway's WHOLE PIECE ........
More S-Chip Poster Children [Mark Hemingway]
Yes, it was hard to miss the blogospheric frenzy over my piece this morning on the latest poster child the Democrats are upholding for S-CHIP.
As best I can tell, mostly the response has been a misreading of what I wrote. At the The New Republic's Plank, Jason Zengerle singles me out as "everything that's wrong with the modern conservative movement." (Funny, seems like TNR was just just lauding me.) My crime? I mentioned that Bethany was named Tampa Bay's Most Photogenic Baby as part of a children's hospital fundraiser — and made some jokes about child beauty pageants. I, as a self-described "meanie," was setting up a ridiculous straw man to point out that, unlike the Frost family, there's no questioning that the Wilkersons are of genuine need (and, as far as I can tell, well-intentioned), if profoundly wrong about the policy they are advocating.
I did, however, point out that the Wilkersons said they had talked about having children since before they were married. I also pointed out that shortly before Bethany's mother, Dara, started her current job as a waitress (which she has been holding down for six years), she voluntarily left a job with good insurance because it was "unmanageable." This despite the fact she and her husband had been discussing having kids since before she left her job with insurance. According to Think Progress:
So according to this "pro-life" right-wing logic, the Wilkersons should have sacrificed having a daughter in order to stay in an "unmanageable" job.
Wow, that couldn't be more wrong, could it? It's the other way around — I suggested that the Wilkersons might have sacrificed by working less-desirable jobs, if that choice (or those choices) meant they could more adequately provide for their daughter. I said that a married couple that has been talking about having kids for years, but has failed to sacrifice financially or make basic economic preparations to pay for their first kid, is acting irresponsibly. That's hardly "anti-life." It's common sense. How many people are in less than optimal jobs because of good benefits for their dependents?
And as for the The Daily Kos diarist who summed up my position as "Let the Baby Die," apparently they didn't make much of the fact that I pointed out that the Wilkersons were covered by existing programs and nobody is arguing for "kicking the Frosts and the Wilkersons to the curb." The debate centers around the expansion of the program, including paying for adults and those with much higher incomes than the Wilkersons.
But the bottom line is not that two-year-old Bethany Wilkerson shouldn't be shown compassion — of course she should. God bless her and her hurting heart. The point of the piece was: that a) this family's story is not a compelling reason to enact (or expand) new policy and b) for the love of all that is holy, keep your children out of political debates. It's dishonest and exploitative, and it makes complex policy arguments needlessly personal.
dennis the douchebag
When someone opens up their stupid (and boy , do I mean STUPID) Op/Ed/Rebuttal post with such a derisive line as : "Yes, it was hard to miss the blogospheric frenzy over my piece this morning on the latest poster child the Democrats are upholding for S-CHIP." , you and he possess ZERO CREDIBILITY and even less room to try to apologize for your idiocy and political partisanship.
You don't find anything wrong with that fat bald jerkoff posting with such disdain in mentioning a 2 year old child , just an angle to post your moronic accusations at a couple of obvious GOP opponents ..........
I will repeat : You are nothing more than a GOP apologist douchebag.
You should be ashamed of yourself , and your parents even moreso for allowing you to hatch and being fully and solely responsible for it.
The hateful Reslugs are all quickly going to hell.
As a Christian, let me say that if the position of the "Christians" in taking care of sick kids reflects the "Christian" position, then I'm not one. I don't know what I am, but I'm not that.
Over and out.
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