Jane Hall on the Frost family: Right Wing bloggers swiftboated a 12-year old boy!"
Both Neil Gabler and Jane Hall from FOX News Watch (they cover the media)---were livid over the treatment of Graeme Frost, the 12 year old boy that was attacked by the right wingers after he came out and did promotion for the SCHIP program. Cal Thomas and James Pinkerton wank away, but Jane smacked them down. Good for her.
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Gabler: Everything that the Republicans and the bloggers were saying about this guy were wrong. That should have been the story. Republicans lie about a 12 year old boy's family...
<Cal Thomas repeated the bloggers talking points...>
Hall: Cal, you've just repeated many things that were erroneous...The right wing bloggers swiftboated a twelve year old kid!
Thomas: Oh, please...
Hall: That is what happened. That is what Paul Krugman said and it is true.---They go after the kid. They go after the kid.
Pinkerton: You can debate whether you should put him out there or not, that's a fair thing to debate about...
Hall: SLIME a twelve year old kid..It's false.
Pinkerton: The Democrats put him out there,
Hall: So he's fair game?
Pinkerton: Of course he is...
Hall: To be slimed?
Pinkerton: You can't be wrong about your facts.
Hall: They weren't wrong about their facts.
Cal Thomas and Pinky defended the attacks even after it was proved that all the evidence the wingers put out against the Frosts were lies.
They defend the indefensible.
Cal Thomas would insist that Jesus and the Romans got hammered together.
Forget Fox Noise and the Freepers.
They are irrelevent.
As Keith Olbermann reported, this crap started in the bowels of the White House.
George W. Bush is a monster.
What a pair of unabashed wankers... they know Hall is correct, they know that the smears were based on false premises and factually incorrect statements - but damned if they could be adult enough to admit it.
Shameless... can't wait to see how this whole sordid episode comes back to haunt the right wing and their supporting pundits... they thought Schaivo bounced back??? They ain't seen nothin' yet.
What a scum.
The Republicans and their apologists know how vulnerable they are on the SCHIP issue. Like good Rovians, their only response is ATTACK! They want to chill the debate - anyone who comes out against them be warned - nothing about you will be safe/sacred. Limbaugh yesterday even threatened to find out where your kids go to school. Basic message - "We impeached a President of the United States who gave us trouble. We will squash you like the bug we consider you to be!"
I love the quote regarding their treatment of a 12 yo boy, "yes, he's fair game..." (to slime).
The Repugs suck so much there is very little fresh air to left breath!
When you can't argue facts, kill the messenger... that's been the reicht-wing method forever. Oh, and then attack those who point out what they reichties are doing. Beyond shameful.
These goofballs never let facts get in the way -- even in damage-control mode.
They'll slime a Gold Star mother, they'll slime 9/11 widows... a sick 12-year-old kid is the next logical step.
to left breath = left to breath (sorry, I can't type when all I am seeing is red!)
Rusty Shackleford @ 9:
Well, hold on, we gotta two-year old here . . .
I'm wondering what it would take for a Faux News apologist to recognize the heinous nature of this attack and denounce it instead of defending it.
I mean, there must be some out there who actually have a shred of human decency, right? Am I being naive?
I read speculation today that Michell was cut from BillO's show, not because of the apology thing, but because FOX got so many complaints from viewers and sponsors for what she said about the Frost boy. That actually makes more sense to me. Let's hope it's true.
And to think this station is on nearly every television in commerical businesses around the country. I've seen a few that show CNN, but the majority are tuned into this shit. How many (average) people that are not into politics hear FAUX news and take it for the gospel truth?
IMO that's what's wrong with the Democrats. We don't have our own station. The best we can hope for are a couple of hours a day of positive Democratic coverage. Other that that we're left to the intertubes for our fix. If the Repubs need a fix, just flip on FAUX and get one. I need a fix.
Was there ever a time in American history when the other side would say, "That's a compelling argument, but I don't agree with you for these reasons," whenever they were faced with an opposing opinion?
Prime Time Slime
It's the American way
and DID about it--posted their home address on her blog, known to be frequented by people who do marvelous things like mail fake anthrax powder to center-left figures.
JANE HALL SHOWS SOME FIRE!!!!!!!!
Well, there's 1st for everything. And I say this
because I respect her greatly, but her continuous
appearances on O'Reilly, where she serves as
a punching bag to be patronized and dismissed are getting
old, old, old. More Jane, MORE!
15: The Federalist Papers, maybe. And then only maybe.
Just when you think that the Republicans can't get any lower, they manage to find a way.
Rusty Shackleford @ 9:
Sick, handicapped, disabled... I don't know which is the best adjective to use to emphasize just how nasty the attacks on him are, but Graeme still isn't fully recovered from the accident, and is still receiving therapy because of the damage done.
attacking handicapped children is BAD.
I just don't understand this at all! By personally attacking this young boy and his family, the far-right has proven that they cannot come up with any argument, strong or weak, against expanding the SCHIP program. Should that not be clear to the voting public? And yet people will continue to buy into this garbage.
Sometimes people make me sick.
http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/050309/noah.shtml
Texas 9-year-old in Montgomery to tout Bush's Social Security plan
MONTGOMERY — The warm-up act for President Bush's visit to Alabama is a 9-year-old Texas boy with an encyclopedic knowledge of presidential history and a strong desire to have a Social Security investment account — once he gets old enough to work.
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He says he plans to run for president in 2032, when he reaches the minimum age of 35, and he's concerned what will happen if Congress doesn't act soon on Social Security.
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The next step was supporting the president from his home state, and then agreeing to go on the road to support Bush's Social Security plan — giving the issue backing from a little-heard demographic group, albeit one that can't vote yet. Progress for America, a conservative organization backing Bush's proposal, is paying for the travel expenses for Noah and his mother, Donna, a former schoolteacher and a Democrat.
Hall: They weren’t wrong about their facts.
Heh. Conservatives are what happens when you let creationists out of the trailer park.
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Since when do conservotards care about facts? As long as one of their talking bobble head gods says it... it must be true and all facts to the contrary are lies.
To clarify my previous post - I want to rewrite the headline of this article
"Right Wing bloggers swiftboated a [sick, handicapped or disabled - pick one] 12-year old boy!”
Only decent show on Fox News.
But it's still rigged. On this obvious bad topic for Republicans they only do 2 min on it.
lactose intolerant @ 21:
The kid's just lucky he didn't win the Nobel Peace Prize. Then he'd be in for a SERIOUS sliming.
"Jesus wept." and the "Christians" of the right wing stoned him.
if i had been on the show, i woulda kicked thomas in the balls, then explained that it was his fault for having balls in the first place
Eric Whatshisname. The host of this show used to be a member in good standing of the human race. Enjoyed him on The Toady Show eons ago when The Toady Show was still enjoyable. From there he honed his disgruntled employee skills at PBS until he was ready to host a show on hell's 24-hour news channel.
It is hard to find a thing more vile than Cal Thomas.
pissed off patricia @ 13:
I'd lean that way if only because the other version came out of Malkin's shrill gob, making it automatically suspect. But yes, I would like to think that at least some of FuxYouz's viewers have some modicum of common decency rattling around in their noggins (but let's be real: now that I think about it, it won't be his regular Billbots that complained. It would be people from the larger public).
They are all supposed to be religious people. Wonder if they ever ask themselves which little kid would Jesus slime? They cannot call themselves believers of Jesus and then do something like this. I'm not even religious and I couldn't do it.
Margaret Thatcher once claimed that "society doesn't exist" that it was just a word or ideological construct,and that is what informs a lot of right wing thinking.They simply don't buy into the idea of society or investing in it through public programs.I've never understood that.To me there's is simply a "me first" attitude,which is richly ironic considering it is the Right usually accusing the Left of just such a deficiency of character.
"Ofcourse he's fair game." - These stupid roundelays with everyone talking over each other. America, for the love of God, turn off the damn Fox Noise. How many of those Fox viewers have inadequate or no health insurance plans, and are one medical crisis and a paycheck away from financial ruin? And how many of them have grandparents who are themselves hanging on by the skin of their teeth, or living by virtue of a reverse mortgage?
Well, let's hope none of them ever needs the help they wish to deny others.
pissed off patricia @ 37:
Republicans are for the most part the most deranged lunatics out there. They will say anything about anyone. The more they are marginalized, the more shrill the bs gets. And as far as what POP says above, I wish I could see one of them lying on the round dying, so I could simply step over them....
Anyone is fair game who has the nerve to counter the GOP party line. How dare a 12-year-old speak truth to power? There are many things Bush and his cronies and the Faux Newsies will be remembered for, and none of them are positive, uplifting, humane or even ... true.
I'm a solemn man, but whenever i hear a rightwinger, who's completely wrong, say "Oh please!" (rolls eyes), i just wanna stick pencil in his ear and kick it. But why waste energize and hard time in Oz.
i meant "waste energy"....whatever. im making nachos. f*ck fox news.
Reich-wingers never get sick of being on the wrong side of every issue.
Talk about cognitive dissonance. He said they needed their facts straight when everyone now knows they were straight. It's like he's pretending he's in a world where this hasn't been debunked already. Isn't that some sort of sign that someone is cracking up?
How embarrassing for these grown pathetic men to sit there and lie to their audience about this family and child like this even when they know it's a lie. Just like Bush - they would rather stay the course instead of admitting they were wrong. It is not in their nature to hear or share the truth or even acknowledge it. They would rather make it a Democratic thing instead of what was printed and told erroneously. Absolutely and positively pathetic.
Life for these guys is a football game. As long as their team wins, they're willing to overlook the deliberate attempts to break knees and ribs. They're fucking animals! I'm glad to see this incident of mock outrage didn't go unnoticed.
Someone should tell Cal that Perino already has Tony Snowjob's old job.
I can't believe he actually said Stalkin' Malkin wrote an "excellent" column about the Frost family. I wish I'd been there, I would have said, "You can't do proper research while you're hiding in the bushes, stalking a 12-year-old."
Pox News is obviously one of the great plagues the Bible warned us about.
SweethAtheist @ 44:
Are you kidding me? They were counting on no one calling them on the lie ... like Kerry, like Gore, like the Clintons, like who ever! Whoever they have to drown in lies to get out of the media. I'm so fucking sick of it I though this incident was going the same way. I'm so glad they actually got called out.
[...] guess again. John Amato reports that even some of the talking heads on Faux Snooze are putting some distance between themselves and [...]
Who is moderating this. "We see where you stand?" is how the moderator leaves it. We see where you stand? They justy admitted that a 12-year-old brain damaged boy is fair game and the moderator doesn't call them out on it.
I guess the express train to hell is too slow for them. Are they wanting just to teleport there?
Thank God for these two strong Dems for going into this slime pit to speak the truth. Just watching it makes me need to take a shower.
I hate that miserable prick, Cal Thomas. My apologies
to decent pricks the world over.
Cal and Pinky will do anything to get "street cred" with the Flintstones
Tekras @ 45:
The only positive that I can give here (and it is a merer pittance compared to the negatives) is that this is the death throes of the Republican party and the conservative movement.
The more they defend the indefensible (and what choice do they have at this point, really?) ... the more people will run away frmo the singing sh&^heap that is the modern Republican party.
Barry Goldwater and Dwight Eisenhower are doing donuts in their grave.
uncle joe mccarthy @ 30:
Grand Moff Texan @ 24:
Thanks guys. As angry and disgusted as this issue makes me, it's good to see we haven't lost our sense of humor. ROFL!
pissed off patricia @ 34:
It is obvious to me that the republican party has been possessed by the devil and Karl Rove is the anti-christ. How your entire political career is built upon dirty tricks is undefinable. I smell Rove behind this 'operation', Turd Blossom indeed.
Mike @ 50:
On behalf of all the decent pricks I accept your apology.
IMHO guys that talk with index fingers pointing skyward and moving their hands around are generally dweebish dickweeds. This guy didn't disappoint either.
Sure he's "fair game", attack the kid, his family, his granparents. milk 'em all dry. Foreclose on the house, shake their piggy banks out onto the street, and make sure the kid doesn't have any loose change in his pockets. Graeme might be holding out. (It's like Oil Can Harry. Remember Mighty Mouse?)
"but you didnt have to end in the middle of your sentance"
Yeah- you screwed up the timing and now the button is her point....
ysbaddaden @ 1:
No, no, no... he would say how that terrible Jesus actually *hit* with his nail the Roman's hammer. I mean that dirty hippie hit with a sharp object, the poor roman soldier who was just doing masonry work with a hammer, obviously.
The faming is: Hammer, mostly used for labour ergo it has positive connotations. Nail is sharp and can injure somebody, and thus is a negative/threatening object. However, they neglect to point out towards whom the sharp end of the nail was pointed.
It sounds like a joke, but actually that is the MO of the right wing media noise machine. It is no longer funny as it is frightening close to the truth of how they operate.
Hall responded perfectly by framing the issue not as a politics, but just plain human decency. She said what I believe most parents - most adults - would say: a twelve-year-old and his family were subject to insults and falsehoods, and it's disgraceful. Period.
I just love the fact that wankers like Thomas and Pinkerton put their twisted mindsets right out there for all to see.
They think the 12 year old boy is fair game for attack. Because they got nothing when it comes to the actual issue the boy was plugging.
Whenever I hear anyone call themselve a conservative or a Republican, I just respond with "What the hell is the matter with you?"
Rusty Shackleford @ 9:
They would not let a poor husband have the closure of seeing his wife end her suffering with dignity. Proving that they will use your brain dead corpse if they think they can get political mileage out of it.... *cough* Schiavo *cough*
After all we are talking about a group of people who used 9/11 as a photo op for fund raising campaigns all the way up to 2006... Expecting right wingers to have any sort of decorum, class and dignity is as futile as waiting for the winner of the last Special Olympics to come with a new break through in quantum mechanics.
Dr. Who @ 57:
That's what comes of people who believe they can invent reality. The scary part is how effective it is on a majority of the population! I thought NLP was a joke until I ran into ppl who lived it and in their weird little world it works. I guess if you surround yourself with enough gits willing to be told what to believe, it work! All you'd really have to do is get rid of / silence the the free-think liberals and...
Tekras @ 54:
If you think that is a new development regarding the GOP's MO I have a nice bridge to sell you.
Tekras @ 62:
I think it is a big mistake trying to excuse the populace as being "tricked" or having been lied to. In the sense that a lot of conservatives I know, they know that it is Bullshit what they hear, but they are OK because what Faux news and the GOP conforms to their expectations. Having the possibility of facts shattering their perception is, for a large majority of Americans, more threatening that the facts themselves. This is, we are dealing with the fact that a lot of people in this country are willingly ignorant. That is scary, and that is also never tackled by the liberals, who think that reason, logic, and facts will work on people who don't care for any of it. There is no worst blind person that he who doesn't want to see... natural blindness causes may one day be cured, but you will never be able to cure someone who wants to keep their eyes shut no matter what.
They don't even need to get rid of us liberals, as they simply don't care and will not listen to what we have to say.
why do old farts dye their hair? it's painful to look at. cal, chris matthews, tom delay--come on we already know you're not 20, it's not working.
cal thomas has raised "hackery" to a fine art. What a worthless piece of sh*t.
Jenny'O @ 65:
You know Jenny'O, I gotta say, that was the single advantage of getting my hair cut to half an inch after it started falling out during chemo. No more dying! Cal is the worst. I think he dyes that nose hair that looks like a 'tache, too
I don't know what is the worst of these two evils. The constant, vicious rightwing attack on these children. Or the Dems for using them. They should never have been used by either side in my opinion. Heartbreaking to say the least.
Rusty Shackleford @ 9:
Cal Thomas would slime Jesus, if he was against more tax breaks for the rich.....
spit take @ 12:
There isn't a nanometer size thread or a sub-angstrom particle of decency in a Faux news pundit.
They would eviserate their own mothers to support their war-mongering Freemarket/Chrisitianist white-male agenda....
What if someone started some ugly rumor about Cal Thomas and his ugly hair? Is his hair a dead rodent? It certainly looks like something I saw in the middle of a highway. There will be a special place in hell for Cal Thomas and the rest of the right wingers who attacked a twelve year old boy.
How can Faux News call itself a "news" channel when they just make up stuff as they go along?
Didn't Cal Thomas just write some book with Bob Beckle about how the country was going to hell because everything is uber partisan?
I guess his bipartisan mood swing lasted about as long as his talk show circuit for the book lasted.
I fervently hope that everyone in the bush administration and anyone who supports what was done to this 12-yr old boy by the 'swift-boaters', lose their health insurance, then suffer a catastrophic illness that wipes them out financially.
The point is, that bush and his rich friends, who get excellent health insurance coverage THAT WE AS TAXPAYERS PAY FOR, are heartless enough to willfully deny children in need the chance to get medical care. Shameful, but what else is new with this goddamned repuke administration!
OMG! They said this child was "fair game." Isn't that what Rove said about Plame? I can't tell you how much I despise these people and all that they stand for!
Where the hell are the Democrats on this, Why aren't they speaking out about this family being stalked and harassed? After all the Frost family put their story out their to benefit others. That's the least the Democrats can do.
these fuckers on the right really don't care - the funny thing is, if they gave everyone the shaft that they could, the world would stop for them. all the service industries, the immigrant labor, all of it, that all americans depend on, would be gone. and then who would they blame? that's a catfight i'd like to see.
Enough is enough. When are the Dem's going to stop stooping to the level of the crazy people on Fox Noise, etc. Call them what they are...crazy, crazy, & crazy. Say it enough and people will understand. Try to debate "crazy"...you'll sound just as crazy. It's like arguing with the Archie Bunkers of the world. Everyone knows Archie's an idiot and wouldn't waste time debating him. Forget the details.....just respond with, "They hate people", "They hate kids", "They love fear", "They love corporate welfare", "They love torture", "They love spying", "They hate old people", etc. Simple. No need to argue with the crazies.
Ahlyssah @ 22:
I don't know...from what I have read it seems like even republicans are disgusted by this latest display of foul, putrid, disgusting, sickening behavior. I don't think people are buying into it this time.
And a general is not fair game?
I know this kind of thing makes most of us (justifiably) furious - I have been making wistful references to the French revolution all over the net myself.
But who are they hurting, really? Yes, the terrorist Malkin may cause actual physical harm to this one family and my comment would be deleted if I expressed my actual opinion on the subject - if my keyboard didn't melt before I finished the comment. Serious as that matter is, that isn't what I am talking about.
They - the whole Nazi group of Reichwing apologists - have exposed themselves utterly for what they really are. All pretense of fairness, objectivity, even humanity has fallen away. Like fish exposed on the beach when the water level suddenly drops, everyone who cares to look can see exactly what they really are.
Malkin is a terrorist - call her that. Fox is a fascist propaganda machine - call it that. Who now but the 29%ers can argue? Like Goebbels, the Nazi Limbaugh is a junkie. It is time for US to take off the gloves. O'Reilly loves pedophile rapists - never miss an opportunity to point it out. Words have power - the Rethugs understand that - we have not. We have shied away from "extreme" statements about the extremists. Maybe that wasn't so bad before because the iron fist was hidden behind the velvet glove. No more! From now on, every post I make anywhere will include the proper appellation for these peices of human excrement. (The terrorist Malkin, the junkie Limbaugh etc.) If someone wants to help me with some of the appelations, I would appreciate it. They should be one word and be easily documented.
This is an issue that we can keep alive and exploit for years! Someone should keep track of every wingnut who says anything on this subject - so we can hang it around their necks like the proverbial albatross for years to come. Don't hesitate to call Bush and his minions fascists that's exactly what they are!
The fascists have learned to invent an issue ("Gore invented the internet.") and repeat it endlessly until the lie becomes unchallenged accepted fact. Now it is our turn - and we don't have to lie, distort, or make anything up!
They have handed us this on a silver platter - use it like they would. Don't shy away from strong language. Paine, Jefferson and Patrick Henry certainly did not. When you make an extreme statement that you can proceed to effortlessly prove especially on a topic with the emotional appeal of this one, it moves people and changes minds - ask our founding fathers!
This kid has got more guts than sore-assed John McCain["McCain Has Black Baby"] He hasn't KISSED and made up after being SLIMED bt these CREEPS!!!!!
"excuse me, I didn't interupt you"
the correct reply to that is
"I wasn't telling lies."
Christ!
Do people actually tune in to this shit?
Basically what Thomas and Pinky with no brain have said is that it is okay to attack the messanger - because they can't attack the policy AND it is okay to publish your home address and personal information (I wonder when SS# will be published) if you speak out for a policy that they disagree with.
Be fore warned
They don't do care if they distroy you ... in fact Rush Limbaugh said as much
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/10/16/114844/57
Are any of us surprised by Fox News anymore?
Poor Jane Hall got slimed by these assclowns while she was defending the truth!
Good it's fun to live in an increasingly dummied down society where the dialog is at the national enquirer level and kids get to watch these models of ignorant crass classwars and merciless attacks on ordinary people. The fashionistas coined the phrase fugly to describe a look but it also describes a psychological state that the FOX news team and people like Kristol, Coulter, and Malkin seem to wallow in. if in doubt, see the response to Al Gore's Nobel Peace Prize so wonderfully summarized by John Stewart. They cannot recognize that they, in fact, are the outlyers and that the average American probably would not engage in their level of vulgar discourse even if they "harbored" the same teribbly misguided hateful attitudes and disregard for working Americans. A sane person knows what to say outloud and what to edit. Any halfway decent person with a brain finds a more convincing way to share their opinions and accept when they are wrong. I travel the country and really, noone is as rude and crass as these flaming *sswhole pundits. (OK, there was one person in my immediate family who had Alzheimer's.)
I've only seen Cal Thomas a few times on TV (thank god), but boy, is he ever a smug sleazebag. Pinkerton's not much better.
Would you trust your kid with them?
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Republicans = Discredit the messenger so as to taint their message.
Classic ad homonym attack. A loser from the start.
Yet the Repugnicans continue to defend this behavior.
That is the level of political discourse.
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Cal thomas and pinkerton are not honest people.
They are just lying sacks of shit. I quit listening to anything they have to say since back in 2002.
Why does the media put people on the air that have no sense of honor no dignity?
Could it be because they know that these slime bags will say what they need?
I think so. These people are paid traitors, paid by the networks to say what the network needs. nothing more!
Thomas, Pinkerton and the rest of these slimeballs have been given a free ride for way too long now.
Time to grab the pitchforks and torches and run their sorry asses out of the media village
Seriously
Abe @ 79:
ZING! That should be an automatic 'talking point' for the Dems to use.
The next thing to do in Congress should be to bring up a referendum to comdemn the Republic party for smearing a 12-year-old and his family, right? ;) Turnabout, fairplay, etc...
I do not like to watch Fox News but I have always liked Jane Hall on Fox News watch. Good for her that she smackdowned schip's critics.
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