According to Kristol, we're winning now in Iraq with the Glorious Surge.

What are these neo-cons taking these days? Or are these just flashbacks from their radical drug-taking in the sixties?

If Kristol had an ounce of intelligence, he really would be dangerous.

I fear the policies and rantings of these neocons far more than any other threat of terrorist or rogue nations.

William Kristol is just another disgusting piece of humanity. Like all his fellow neocons he is a parasite on humanity.

chuck @ 7:

While I am certainly not advocating violence, would most thinking people really shed a tear if years down the road these people found themselves targets of revenge attacks? I favor handing these people over to an international war crimes tribunal to be judged and hopefully imprisoned for life.

If they are advocating violence, isn't violence the only way to stop them?

It was funnier than hell when he was last on The Daily Show. Jon Stewart’s first remark was something like “Sooooo, your going to tell me that everything is going well in Iraq.” William “The Bloody” almost fell off his chair because that was EXACTLY what he was about to say. And he just continued with his “Yes, everything is going swimmingly” bullshit. He really is into the Josef Goebbels routine.

If they are afraid of Iran having the 'knowledge' to create nukes...does that mean that Iranian universities are now 'legitimate' military targets? How about Iranian physicists? Should they be 'liquidated as a class'...just to be on the safe side?

Hey, wait a minute. I have a physics degree, so I have the knowledge necessary to build a (crude) nuclear weapon. Obviously I'd still need the materials, and to do some experiments, but by that logic shouldn't the US be at war with me?

Or maybe since there's only one of me, Bill Kristol should personally declare war on me. Name the place, man!

Occasionally I read a blog written by an Iranian lady. Recently she said that the only thing that would make Iranians gather around their president was an attack on their country by bush and co. She said the next election would take their president out of power unless they were attacked before then by the US. Maybe Kristol, et al, want to clam down and use common sense and let reality work it's magic.

We are in two endless wars and in the case of Iran, I don't think a third time would be a charm.

Is Halliburton running short of money? Is that why we need to start another war? Is it because our troops are too rested and have spent too much time with their families? Do we have a surplus of money to spend on war? Or is it that our leaders just want to blow up something else?

Is Kristol capable of making a TV delivery sans the smugness and the smirk? It's like he stays up nights watching videoclips of shrubboy, and has become one with the decider.

Can't blame Bloody Bill for trying. He knows the clock will run out on the neocon era in Jan. '09.

So many to kill; so little time.

What's a girly-man to do?

Huh? What do you mean - the last war didn't turn out well? Just look at the facts:

The contractors made gobs of money. Cheney/Halliburton made gobs of money, including a $20 BILLION chunk that they just took with no records kept of the transaction (gosh, um they just have no idea where it all went folks).

Carlysle Group made a killing. GE, Raytheon, Honeywell, all the companies providing weapons systems - gobs of money.

Arms merchants - check, well taken care of. Vlackwater and other mercenary outfits - check, big growth in this sector. These groups are looking forward to more profitable successes in Iran.

Big Four Oil - didn't secure their contracts with the Iraqis (that completely cut them out of any profits or control over the oil) yet, but they did see a spike in gas prices to over three dollars/gallon at the pump and made record breaking profits during the war.

Consolidation of the media, clamp down on free press, transformation of media into a propaganda machine - check, mission accomplished.

So who didn't do well? Looks like everyone made out like a bandit.

Oh...you mean the OTHER 99% of Americans?

Gee...hadn't thought much about them...

I hate to say it again but...

JFK...assassinated
Martin Luther King...assassinated
John Lennon...assassinated

People like Kristol, still spew their ignorance and twisted hate.

Why are men of peace snuffed while war mongers flourish?
Has society digressed to this?

but knowledge of how to build a nuke, that now demands that Kristol the chickenhawk scream for a war

That's the part that pisses me off... any 10 year old kid who can use Google can find out how to build a nuke. This information has been public for decades (in libraries before the Internet was public), and now Bush and his PNAC ilk have lowered the bar so far that it is impossible for Iran not to jump over it.

It's like the one time some Freeper was screaming that soldiers finally found evidence of Saddam's WMDs. Apparently, several barrels of sodium hydroxide were discovered, and it's one of the ingredients in making such and such chemical weapon. Of course, they didn't mention that sodium hydroxide, or more commonly known as lye, is the active ingredient in Drano and oven cleaner. Therefore, by their logic, every kitchen in America is a chemical weapons lab.

Pissed canuck asks: "Has society digressed to this?"

He must have been educated in one of our schools and migrated north when John Kerry lost.

Hate and fear!! Hate and fear!! hate and fear.....

Sorry worthless talking heads, there's just no convincing me yet, I try to chant (hate and fear, hate and fear) but the mantra just doesn't get me off like it does you guys! Lightweights!

DrBadger @ 29:

It would be nice if people (including blogs) just start ignoring these people and let them just spout garbage only to the idiots that still watch fox "news". Like any form of entertainment, if people stop paying attention, it'll go away. The more what Kristol and others say gets attention (even if negatively) the more the MSM pays attention to them and the more powerful their words get.

The 'let's just ignore them' reasoning will NOT work. I read this argument on a daily basis (especially after a Colter comment) and it's the equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and putting your head in the sand. Pretending things are not there does not make them go away! Arrgggg!

It's time to get tough. It's time to push back. It's time to fight for what you believe.

I hope I never read the 'let's just ignore them' line again.

Kristol never met a war he didn't want people that aren't his son to fight

Did anyone hear Cheney's speech today on C-Span given at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy on Iran? C-Span covered and it sounded like all the speeches Cheney made before invading Iraq. It sounded like America led by Cheney is set to invade Iran anytime soon as he put the leaders in Teheran on notice today that their days are numbered.

Cheney is a war criminal and should be arrested already as he makes Hitler-like threats once again.

If bush lower the standards about going to Iraq anymore it will be compairable to what we are letting into the army now.. ;(

Actually, I guess that would be a wargey.

will these guys please give a definition of "winning"?

and i support a war with iran, as long as they tie down the following to the missiles that we send over

kristol, bush, cheney and the entire gang over at faux news

tomk @ 47:

If Iran wants nuclear weapons, we must stop them. With our nuclear weapons.

Troll!
Piss Off!

keiran @ 1:

Why do they let this guy on their shows? He's not just evil and scary. He's
always wrong about everything!

Are you for real?? :) He MAKES their show. It is his and every other neocon monster's show whenever they want.

Ron @ 6:

I fear the policies and rantings of these neocons far more than any other threat of terrorist or rogue nations.

We are the terrorists and rogue nation who has a war based economy. Where did we assume the role of "good guy" in any of this...we provide Israel with nukes and guns, and money? They murder and imprison and torture anyone they feel like. Iran gives the Hezbolah some short range (150 mile) rockets to help protect them from these terrorists and are slammed for it.

We have taken a quite stable nation and pulverized it back into the dark ages leaving depeleted uranium everywhere, using American based mercenaries to kill at will and get 950 bucks a day of our tax money.

The Ghost @ 52:

Ron @ 6:

I fear the policies and rantings of these neocons far more than any other threat of terrorist or rogue nations.

We are the terrorists and rogue nation who has a war based economy. Where did we assume the role of "good guy" in any of this...we provide Israel with nukes and guns, and money? They murder and imprison and torture anyone they feel like. Iran gives the Hezbolah some short range (150 mile) rockets to help protect them from these terrorists and are slammed for it.

We have taken a quite stable nation and pulverized it back into the dark ages leaving depeleted uranium everywhere, using American based mercenaries to kill at will and get 950 bucks a day of our tax money.

My point, exactly.

What do you expect from "Dan Quayle's Brain?" PotatoEs?

Americans like Cheney and Kristol exaggerate America's military prowess and superiority. The lessons of Vietnam and Iraq have proven so, yet the ruling elite in the United States remains tone deaf. Go to http://www.robert-fisk.com to see the real pictures of dead and wounded Iraqis--womem children, elderly--old men and women with no arms and no legs and blown to bits of bodies. These are images that CNN and FOX Noise and MSNBC and the rest do not let you see for fear that your humanitarian stomachs would turn and say never again will you allow America to do such things to innocent civilians who are the ones who get punished the most thanks to people like Kristol and Cheney who want others to do their dirty work and war crime activities for. These people disgust me to no end.

chuck @ 7:

While I am certainly not advocating violence, would most thinking people really shed a tear if years down the road these people found themselves targets of revenge attacks? I favor handing these people over to an international war crimes tribunal to be judged and hopefully imprisoned for life.

I think a "Disaffected Iraqi People's Court" might be more fitting. Let the mob decide.

Correction... Not Little Man.. the Little Boy....

Wanna build a nuke?... go look up Little Boy and Fat Man on Wikipedia.. diagrams and everything...

Marc @ 16:

Hey, wait a minute. I have a physics degree, so I have the knowledge necessary to build a (crude) nuclear weapon. Obviously I'd still need the materials, and to do some experiments, but by that logic shouldn't the US be at war with me?

Or maybe since there's only one of me, Bill Kristol should personally declare war on me. Name the place, man!

Ain't if funny, how a person like Kristol who wouldn't know the theory and practice behind nuclear weapons development if it bite him in the good ol' arse... is willing to kill untold millions after accusing them of something he has no clue or background?

One would assume that if you are willing to send a lot of our men and women to die in the process of killing maybe millions of people, that you would at least be willing to spend a little time understanding nuclear technology and what it takes to build a freaking bomb. But I guess, wasting 5 minutes of their precious time is just too much to ask for these assholes.

F*ck all these neo-con bastards up their ass with a nice uranium rod freshly taken out a reactor at its peak heat... output....

Fucking PNAC/AIPAC jerkoffs need to kick off.

Nicole, your frustration is showing.

EJ @ 50:

keiran @ 1:

Why do they let this guy on their shows? He's not just evil and scary. He's
always wrong about everything!

Are you for real?? :) He MAKES their show. It is his and every other neocon monster's show whenever they want.

My bad. Didn't realise this was on Fox.

As reported on www.democracynow.org, Friday, October 19, 2007, “ten-year-old Salee Allawee lost both of her legs in a U.S. air strike last year. The same attack killed her 13-year-old brother and her best friend. Salee's sister was also injured and lost part of her foot. Salee is learning how to walk again thanks to the organization No More Victims. The group brought her here last December to receive a pair of prosthetic legs.”

Here is an excerpt of Amy Goodman’s interview found at: http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/19/144212

HUSSEIN ALLAWEE FERAS: (Salee Allawee’s Mother speaking here)
“We heard screaming, and we ran back outside. Akram and Tabarak were scattered in pieces across the ground. I looked around for Salee, who was thirty or forty feet away sitting on her knees, calling for me and her mother. It looked like there was nothing wrong with her body…“My daughter!” And we lifted Salee up, and my neighbor shouted, “Her legs are gone!” I can’t describe what it’s like, looking at your daughter, carrying her in your arms, covered in blood, and her legs are not there…”

AMY GOODMAN: From here. You have come here to America and have gotten new legs?
SALEE ALLAWEE: [translated] Yes.
AMY GOODMAN: How does it feel?
SALEE ALLAWEE: [translated] It feels good. One of my legs just hurts so much, and so I think it’s just infected. It hurts when I wear it.

Thanks to the Bush-Cheney administration and their outright lies, over 800,000 Iraqis have been killed and over a million crippled for life as a result, many of which have been little children - like ten-year-old Salee Allawee. The rockets that killed her siblings and maim her for life had been paid for by the U.S. taxpayers accepted through Congress and the White House before being attacked using American soldiers tied to the “Department of Warfare.”

Ten-year-old Salee Allawee was playing hopscotch, hardly a “terrorist activity.” When will Americans say no more to the likes of Kristol and Cheney as they set out to market and sell another war on Iran based on more lies, in which, more ten-year old girls like Salee Allawee and her families will pay the price of their lives, thanks to American bombs launched from above?

“War, we have come to believe, is a spectator sport. The military and the press … have turned war into a vast video arcade game. Its very essence - death - is hidden from public view.”--Chris Hedges

It is the very quote of Chris Hedges above that stories from Iraqis like Salee Allawee need to be told and registered in the conscious minds of American citizens whose name wars are fought in, no matter whether you agree with it (war) or not.

It is time Americans spoke in one voice and reject any more wars the Bush administration promote or market.

Danaidh @ 71:

God Bless patriots like Mr. Kristol who speak the truth. A preemptive strike now will help avoid a war in the future. I'm so glad there's a good man in the White House to do what needs to be done.

If we can get all the future wars out of the way with in the next few years, there will be peace forever.

curtilingus @ 75:

Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.

Thank you, George Carlin.
Kristol is the antichrist.

What gave America the right to play with the lives of innocent Iraqis and to threaten people all over the world? America is the one doing all the killing and threatening and I so tired of people who try to spin it the other way. The Bush-Cheney administration are liars and should all be on trial for war crimes. I am so tired of this "moral superiority" crap that America's leaders spew on their way to create more wars and death.

There is nothing virtuous about killing innocent people in wars and no, I do not support the military's mission in Iraq or in Iran and happy to say so as much as the blithering idiots who applaud "more war and mayhem" on innocent civilians, say all the time with no regard for human life.

Danaidh @ 71:

God Bless patriots like Mr. Kristol who speak the truth. A preemptive strike now will help avoid a war in the future. I'm so glad there's a good man in the White House to do what needs to be done.

You're insane.

The only place where this asswipe gets any attention is in the rag he edits, which by the way, is the only thing Dennis Miller, the so-called comedian, reads. That tells you about his intelligence quotiant. Also, Faux Noise listens to Krystol. It is sad to see this secularist 'whatever' with so much self loathing. He obviously has no familiarity with the Ten Commandments and the aspect of the Jewish law which says, 'Thou shalt not kill' since he worships killing innocent children and women, and old men. Better yet with nuclear weapons. He and his buddy Miller should find either a very tall building. or a cliff somewhere (cliff in the desert preferred...no cleaning up after) and do the world a favor and jump from same. He might be more relevant in death than he is in life.

I like that music you're playing Banjo. Reminds me of Bob Marley "The Truth is an Offense, but not a Sin" Jah Live Jam. Peace.

Danaidh @ 71:

God Bless patriots like Mr. Kristol who speak the truth. A preemptive strike now will help avoid a war in the future. I'm so glad there's a good man in the White House to do what needs to be done.

You must be dumber than a bag of rocks. Kristol is an armchair general who never wore the uniform is all for the profits wars make the military industrial complex. Someone should strap his cowardly ass to a humvee and let him understand what war really is.

Danaidh @ 71:

God Bless patriots like Mr. Kristol who speak the truth. A preemptive strike now will help avoid a war in the future. I'm so glad there's a good man in the White House to do what needs to be done.

ROFL, who says these conservatives don't have a sense of humor? Kristol, a patriot? LMFAO!!

Danaidh, you should take this on the road . . . one with IEDs. You're killing me.

Oh, and that good man in the White House? You're talking about the White House butler right? ROFL.

It's always good to have these jokers post stuff up on the list. It's so entertaining.

As long as the media keeps the dead bodies of war away from the public's consciousness and conscience, the Bush-Cheney administration will still remain free to spread their lies about who is killing who in Iraq.

I guess American soldiers have "not killed anyone in Iraq yet." Its "all Iran's fault" that America launched a pre-emptive war on Iraq called "Shock and Awe." No, its America's fault led by the war criminals of the Bush-Cheney administration. The way I see it, America and only America is at fault in Iraq and elsewhere & American soldiers are responsible for killing innocent Iraqis.

The Bush-Cheney administration are continuing their lies and their crimes and no, I do not support the military doing evil things to humanity.

I am pissed just as Nicole Belle is.

Everything that creep says is a lie. He better pray there is no god.

Geno in Ptown @ 19:

Fox News: Television for IDIOTS!

Ratings don't lie, and we are the number one 'news; networks

for rich, white, christians (and Neocon Jews).

fa smith. it won't be iraq all over again. it will be much worse with potentially thousands and thousands of our troops slaughtered in the first days. Iran has over a million man army and deliverable missiles. the straits of hormuz would be cut off immediately and teh world's access to oil cut. Iraq would seem like a walk in the park. These insane neo-cons are hell bent on destroying the world. Paging travis Bickle. Come to the white courtesy phone, mr bickle.

I've said this before, but it was SWEET to see Kristol get hit square in the face with an icecream pie at my old alma mater Earlham College back in 2005. Most of the Quakers were appalled by the action (since they are so respectful and tolerant to those they disagree with), but I was soooo happy. The front row view of this was wonderful. Maybe Juan could do it for us all on Facsist News Sunday!

William Kristol
PNAC
The weekly Standard.
All need to be declared terrorist supporters by Congress.

Bill Kritsol has been consistantly wrong about EVERYTHING about the war in iraq, so where he gets off still spouting crap is beeyond me.

Symes @ 104:

"Never mind that Bush has changed the standards–now it’s NOT actively pursuing a weapons program, something that the IAEA is saying they aren’t doing anyway, but knowledge of how to build a nuke, that now demands that Kristol the chickenhawk scream for a war, ignoring completely the realities of our overstretched military and complete lack of support on the world stage."

Soo, now we are not only the worlds Police, but are not the worlds thought Police.

How absolutely Orwellian.

That second not should have been a now.

What is wrong with this man? How could anyone have his opinions, and how did he get on the air?

mhj555 @ 101:

William Kristol
PNAC
The weekly Standard.
All need to be declared terrorist supporters by Congress.

And watch all the rightwhiner's heads explode Scanner's style.
Oh , to see some footage of Limbaugh falling to a rage seizure then his fat head explodes into fragments of fat, porkrine, and defecation ..live on the air. I'm a dreamer.

People may want to think about moving to Canada before the Bush-Cheney administration start another war on Iran and declare martial law, to the point, where it will be too late to move anywhere, including to other countries like Canada.

Remember those emergency laws Bush signed before the Congress had their summer recess.

Where's Remo Williams when you need him?

Re: Comment 110
"Any attack on Iran will kick start WWIII, and don’t you doubt it!..."

If Billy Boy, the Chimp and Darth want a war with Iran so bad, let's give them slingshots and airdrop them over Iran. In all the excitement, we might accidently forget to give them parachutes :-)

(War doesn't bring Peace. It brings more War.)

yogi-one @ 26:

Huh? What do you mean - the last war didn't turn out well? Just look at the facts:

The contractors made gobs of money. Cheney/Halliburton made gobs of money, including a $20 BILLION chunk that they just took with no records kept of the transaction (gosh, um they just have no idea where it all went folks).

Carlysle Group made a killing. GE, Raytheon, Honeywell, all the companies providing weapons systems - gobs of money.

Arms merchants - check, well taken care of. Vlackwater and other mercenary outfits - check, big growth in this sector. These groups are looking forward to more profitable successes in Iran.

Big Four Oil - didn't secure their contracts with the Iraqis (that completely cut them out of any profits or control over the oil) yet, but they did see a spike in gas prices to over three dollars/gallon at the pump and made record breaking profits during the war.

Consolidation of the media, clamp down on free press, transformation of media into a propaganda machine - check, mission accomplished.

So who didn't do well? Looks like everyone made out like a bandit.

Oh...you mean the OTHER 99% of Americans?

Gee...hadn't thought much about them...

Yup, when you trace the $$$ back towards those who launched the invasion you realize exactly why almost 4000 Americans and anywhere from 100,000 to a million Iraqi's have died.

And by creating justified hatred of the U.S. they insure lots of repeat business.

Strap this Kristol to the first bomb and I might support his position.

Billy hasn't been funny since "City Slickers"!

When you add up what Kristol says, Krauthammer says, O'Reilly says, Hannity says, Limbaugh says, Glenn Beck says, Bush says, and Cheney says, you have:

NAZISM.

Kristol's smugness is in direct proportion to his wrongness.

My link disappeared: Let's try just the url (cut and paste it): http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraq-121202.htm

I took a peek at the bottom of a CNN article and ended up following a number of right-wing links around for a while.

It is easy to dismiss Kristol for the chickenhawk that he is, but he is sadly representative of a sector of our society. That is, he is by no means alone and there is a contingent out there that, from what I read, probably cheers every word he has to say.

It begins to be clear that the international industrial class is entering desperate mode as it sees Iran emerging as the dominant power in the region. Iran has no need of nuclear weapons to get there. The neocons' 8th-grade miscalculation in getting rid of Saddam was all that was needed.

The problem with the neocons is that their loyalty is not the United States or its people but to their twisted notion of "patriotism" and their tribal paganist version of Christianity. In essense, their very particular version of fascism. In this, the neocons seem to be joined by people in our society that I have to say seem to get off on the thought of war or seem to have a very seriously romanticised, almost Disney-like, concept of violence and the use thereof -- really these folks really seem to think it is King Arthur and friends riding to the rescue of virtue. They do not take well to the suggestion that it is really just Dick Cheney riding to the rescue of big profits for his friends.

My point, if I have any, is that there is something more grassroots that has gone severely awry in our nation. We need to make efforts to understand and counteract this at the same level or our Republic is itself going to become the stuff of myth.

Someone please explain Kristol's military education, war strategy degree and experience, diplomacy achievements in foreign affairs?

Please explain what makes him the "EXPERT" on these matters and what makes him so credible when he has been as wrong as George Bush all along?

Kristol is like the elited social sophisticate, with manners and smiles. Yet is baty as Coulter.

They continue to bring him up like he is the Republican Kissinger. Why?

Mr. XXXX @ 5:

Yes, let this wimp-punk ass Bill Kristol put on a uniform and go fight the wars he and his jerky neocon pals, also wimp-punk asses want over in Iran and already going on in Iraq. Let the likes of Wolfowitz, Abrams, Feith, John and Norman Podhoretz, Frum, Ledeen, Perle, Lieberman, Kyl, McCain, Gingrich, and anyone else you can think of go there and take the full force of wars they so believe in!

No one asked Clinton to go to Somolia or Bosnia. By the way, you do know McCain was a POW, right?

Now is a perfect time to Remind the Bloody Bush supporters that it was their little "Koffee-Klatch of Kronies" in Homeland Security that put detailed plans of how to build a nuclear weapon on their website. Then ask him if the "John or the Pimp" is more guilty in their concept of "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge of nUclear Programs." Please, feel free to borrow my acronym.

Josh @ 129:

Even though I'm too old to die for zion, I think the draft should be reinstated. Maybe if these chickenhawk neocons had their kids on the frontlines for zion, they would think twice.

There WAS a draft when the bastard class had better things to do than serve (maybe they were helping their dad war profiteer and stuff).

And where was Kristol on Pakistan and India when they developed Nukes?

So where is Kristol's out cry for war with Pakistan or india and their looming threats. Remember it was the Pakistani's that was selling nuke technology.

hareli @ 127:

It's also time that websites with blogs such as this specify that the neocons want us to attack Iran because the rabid nutcase right-wing crowd in Israel wants us to (and the Israeli defense contractors who've bought up islands in the Bahamas and Pacific for safety.) This is a proposed war for Israel and NOTHING MORE.

Maybe if the progressive blogs stopped dancing around the elephant, and risked what this kind of conversation will bring up, we can get a national dialogue going that will address more than 1/2 the issue and get at the nuts and bolts of this. And stop it.

People at my synagogue are not lock-step with Israel on this. They keep thinking that saner minds will prevail. As in 'they'll never do that'. But they will. Cheney said this AM he intends to. If no one will identify who is really behind this mishegas. If you think progressive Jews can get heard, guess again. Not unless you're a Philip Weiss or Tony Karon. And they're not taken on because they're press.

I'm beginning to think a healthy accusation of anti-semitism might be useful. If balls-out negativity and anarchy, and low-grade Joe Six Pack anti-semitism, will bring the issue to the fore, then why not, so be it. You have to be insane to think that Jews are threatened in this country. Drunk drivers have a worse time than Jews. What needs to be talked about is Israel, and the shmadniks who run it in cahoots with criminals over here. It's another nation.

But I tell you one thing. Nothing -- nothing -- terrifies me more than the prospect of WWIII because it will come to these shores. I have children. How do I protect them? How do I explain to the ones that survive that I refused to scream from the top of my lungs to stop this because I was afraid of being called a "self-hating Jew?" Are you goys terrified of being called anti-semitic? What is wrong with us? How does fear of a label compare with the actuality of a nuclear bomb, a nuclear war? A label can silence? And what is wrong with us that we don't understand the magnitude of this when the President of the United States, on the fucking world stage, invokes a possibility of WWIII over presumed book knowledge of weapons manufacture . . . so he threatens to use what he decries in the 'other' in order to eradicate them? I can't wrap my head around this.

What you do is plan... It is all you can do.

Certainly you can scream and shout.. do not be afraid to be called Anti-Semitic or self hating... Because that tag is bullshit and hollow, and is exactly like the term "Conspiracy Theorist"... as it is ment to shut people up and not do any critical thinking or hold a conversation...

I have been called Anti-Semitic.. even here via the admins and mods, and it was bullshit then and it is bullshit now.

I now will RE-RELEASE what SECRET OF POWER Hermon Goring told us before his death

I hope people can handle the pure truth of what he said... and not try to label it Nazi propagandia... or me some sort of neo-nazi for recognizing the truth he exposed us "poor slobs" ... which we seem to constantly ignore.

After all if you cannot learn from your enemies... you are worse then them or at the least dumber.

Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.~ H. Goring

That is the TRUTH... yes even monsters tell the truth sometimes..

And that is what is done here in the US...exactly what is done here to get us to go to war, it is VERBATIM what is done here to get us into war...

And that is why having Taboo subjects that cannot be discussed is not only very stupid... it is very dangerous.... WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES.

Or Nuclear war is a certainty... and if that is the case... its all Location Location Location..

Live near NY?.. Miami?... or a Military installation?

If that is so and we do take that next idiotic step toward extinction... just be happy in the fact that it will be over in an instant... perhaps even wish to do some ass kicking in an afterlife to the Vampires like Kristol that will also be incinerated in their power sickness right before your body is vaporized into plasma.

Don't live near a major population or military center... well make sure you have a decent hole to hide in with plenty of water, food, and potassium iodate. for at least 3 weeks.

Perhaps watch Mad Max films to plow the ground as to what your life will look like afterwards.

Sad shit..

But we don't seem to be slowing down from going over the cliff... if anything I think we are speeding faster and faster every day.

rduke @ 140:

Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.~ H. Goring

This isnt anti-semitic or pro-nazi at all. I saw this quoted in a Harper's editorial not too long ago. This is rather just an insight of how to manipulate the people from the mouth of one of the cynical, and successful, perpetrators.

In my view this is largely about serving Israel, to the point of putting the intersest of that nation above the interests of the United States. Goes back to the noecons allegiance to their tribal paganist pseudo-Christianity above the interests of our nation. The stuff of the "Left Behind" series is what these folks are after, and the survival of Israel is a key element -- even Israel is uneasy about this "alliance" since at the end of the story all Jews are supposed to convert to Christianity -- of course little is explained about what will be done with those that refuse... Probably not by accident, the mythology of the noecons happens to coincide with the interests of the international industrial class, in particular big oil. To this you add a corporate media behemoth run by cynical men of power or just plain whores and things dont look so good.

We have to make some noise. Sign up with whatever pro-impeachment group you like best. Hammer away at your congressman and senators, on the phone, on email. Go to Democrats.com and go through their list of petitions. Go to moveon.org and see what you can do there. Write to your newspaper editorial page. You get the idea. Everybody here should make it a point to take some such action at least once per week, and never miss a chance to encourage others to do so.

John McCain is fair game to criticize. It is irrelevant whether he was a POW in Vietnam or not when criticizing his positions on Iran or Iraq as he promotes and wants more war.

The Vietnam conflict notwithstanding, if McCain wants a war on Iran, yes, he should suit up with his pal Joe Lieberman and other neocon buddies and go there and fight!

No, McCain's POW status does not shield him from public criticism when he is putting more lives at risk.