Mike Huckabee got the same % as Mitten?

Guess he is the dark horse candidate.

I am hoping Kucinich gets the democratic nomination. For sure if Ron Paul got the Republican nomination and Kucinich didn't get the Democratic one, I would vote for Ron Paul!

EJG @ 4:

I am hoping Kucinich gets the democratic nomination. For sure if Ron Paul got the Republican nomination and Kucinich didn't get the Democratic one, I would vote for Ron Paul!

The Religious right would also like Kucinich to get the democratic nomination.

Orangutan. @ 1:

I am in Support of Barack Obama and Dennis Kucinich for President. But if I had to pick a republican to win their primary. It would definitely be Ron Paul. He seems to be one of the few Republicans out there who truly values the Constitution of America and what we stand for.

He values not having to pay taxes. He values not having public education. He values not having Social Security.

Yeah, he has values.

They are just not mine.

CD @ 6:

EJG @ 4:

I am hoping Kucinich gets the democratic nomination. For sure if Ron Paul got the Republican nomination and Kucinich didn't get the Democratic one, I would vote for Ron Paul!

The Religious right would also like Kucinich to get the democratic nomination.

I wish. They want Hillary to be the nomination so they can get every rabid dog in America to the polls.

All these guys do is say how much they hate Hillary Clinton. Too bad so many Americans love this type of shit. Bashing a woman. My god. These guys make me sick.

Can somebody put up a Hillary Clock to tell how much time these jokers spend talking about Clinton versus actual issues?

EJG @ 4:

I am hoping Kucinich gets the democratic nomination. For sure if Ron Paul got the Republican nomination and Kucinich didn't get the Democratic one, I would vote for Ron Paul!

While I agree with Ron Paul's view on the (un)constitutionality of the Iraq War. You have to understand the Ron Paul is against the war because he is a die-hard Libertarian. He believes in abolishing the income tax, no health-care assistance from the government, etc. He is your "typical" conservative in that he believes people should fend for themselves without any safety net form the Government. I agree with his stance on the Iraq War, but I don't see how any self-respecting Democrat could agree with the rest of his policies.

I have said it before and i will say it again. I think any democrat can beat any Republican in the next presidential election, so why not nominate the one candidate that actually does have our best interests at heart? Vote for Dennis Kucinich!

D to the Izzle @ 17:

OK OK, it's time to talk about something other than Hillary you pussies!!

I thought we were, you dick.

John Cole has compiled a list of questions for the GOP candidates.

1.) “Would you have sex with a man to stop a terrorist attack?”

2.) “If lowering taxes results in increased revenues then would lowering taxes to zero result in infinite revenues?”

3.) “If you had a time machine, would you travel back in time and abort Bin Laden?”

4.) “Would you torture and kill Jesus to ensure mankind’s salvation? And how does that work?”

5.) “If Russia entered Turkey from the rear would Greece help?”

I think it is quite apparent that the rumors were true, Fred Thomspon covers up for his cognitive disabilities by pretending to be lazy.

D to the Izzle @ 23:

xoites defends Constitution @ 20:

D to the Izzle @ 17:

OK OK, it's time to talk about something other than Hillary you pussies!!

I thought we were, you dick.

That was directed at the candidates.....my apologies for your confusion

Oh, ok. :)

I am not watching the debate because i am boycotting FOX.

Please run a third party candidate FRC...please!!! Make our victory so much easier come 2008!

One reason I like Ron Paul is because he isn't afraid to delve into the Monetary Policy of America and the Federal Reserve System behind our currency. I respect him for that. I don't hear too many Democrats being able to hold an intelligent conversation on this.

Another reason I like Ron Paul is because he values and votes to uphold our Constitution. I can't say the same for most of these other people in Congress today. And when it comes to most Republicans, they seem like they want to destroy our Constitution and replace it with whatever Multi-National Corporations want instead. That to me is scary. And Democrats don't seem to be effectively standing up to them. I don't know if Democrats understand the level of seriousness their job entails. Especially when it comes to impeaching people for treasonous crimes like spying on our citizens. Denying Habeas Corpus. and Lying to fight Resource Wars.

Although I do give Senator Chris Dodd a lot of respect for stopping this FISA bill that gives immunity to the Telecom Companies who aided George Bush in breaking the law. It was also nice to see Rep. Stark show a little emotion and passion the other day.

We've got a lot of work ahead of us, if we want to leave our Children with a better country than we had.

I saw my first Fred Thompson bumper sticker today an it made me want to go bash my head against a wall. After 7 years of this shit there is still someone stupid enough out there who wants to rush to proclaim his allegiance to a repub that has said absolutely nothing. I give up.

Great call on the Hillary Clock. That would be funny as hell and an effective tool to expose the right wing fascination with her.

CD @ 29:

xoites defends Constitution @ 15:

CD @ 13:

xoites defends Constitution @ 10:

Hmmmmmmmm you may be right.

Still they'd love it if Kucinich was nominated.

So would i. I want him to be President.

I thought you were a libertarian of some sort ::?:

What ever gave you that idea?

Orangutan. @ 28:

Another reason I like Ron Paul is because he values and votes to uphold our Constitution. I can't say the same for most of these other people in Congress today. And when it comes to most Republicans, they seem like they want to destroy our Constitution and replace it with whatever Multi-National Corporations want instead.

Ron Paul is a strict constitutionalist. That is to say, he wants to return to the original constitution. Without all those pesky "amendment" things.

The guy is a lunatic, and if people did a tad more research on him (Not just say "No YOU do research!") they'd realize that.

xoites defends Constitution @ 34:

CD @ 29:

xoites defends Constitution @ 15:

CD @ 13:

So would i. I want him to be President.

I thought you were a libertarian of some sort ::?:

What ever gave you that idea?

Must have been that other guy that would show up at many of our late nigh bull sessions.

Paul is merely an old style conservative, going back to the Adam Smith. Thus, an arsehole. You know all them stories from a hundred or more years ago, about children going into mines, there being no protection for workers, Robber barons running around, making as much as money as possible? A old style conservative wet dream, with the government being tiny and Invisible Hand of the Market ruling over all decisions.

xoites defends Constitution @ 39:

CD, look at what Kucinich stands for. He wants a government that takes care of its people. For that i would be willing to pay more taxes. I do not want to live in a country where a lot of people are uncared for, uneducated and living in poverty.

Ron Paul wants a country where noone pays taxes and if you want a street light somewhere you better have the money to have it installed.

No thanks.

Even more alarming is Ron Paul's desire to get rid of FEMA.

Sure it failed during Katrina but when a States infrustructure is crippled it needs outside help ASAP.

Oh snap, McCain just said that he recognized "K-G-B" when he looked into Putin's eyes. Then McCain repeated the Bush talking points about Russia helping Iran to seek nuclear weapons, blahblahblah.

Someone take this guy down.

Orangutan. @ 43:

I don't like a lot of things about Ron Paul okay. But I like his ability to discuss Monetary Policy, the value of the currency, and the Federal Reserve System behind it all. I also like that he values the Constitution. That shouldn't seem like a great reason to stand up and be appreciative, but in this political climate where bills are being written by corporations and the Constitution is just a "damn piece of paper" to others, it is admirable.

I wouldn't want his philosophy running the entire Government by any means, But today more than ever, his voice needs to be at the table of debate.

Habeas Corpus isn't a joke.

Fine. Kucinich can put him in charge of (dismantling) the FED. That would be fine by me.

45 CD
Seriously I remember there being some other guy (other than you) who use to come around late at night.

Well, if his name began with an "X" i think it was me.

straighttalkexpress @ 47:

Ghouliani wants the US to outspend everyone else and develop a massive military. What the fuck. Doesn't he know that we're borrowing from China to buy our weapons? And then getting involved in wars to use those weapons?

Tranlation: Guliani wants to feed the defense industry. At least he can identify where the real power is.

Chris @ 22:

John Cole has compiled a list of questions for the GOP candidates.

1.) “Would you have sex with a man to stop a terrorist attack?”

2.) “If lowering taxes results in increased revenues then would lowering taxes to zero result in infinite revenues?”

3.) “If you had a time machine, would you travel back in time and abort Bin Laden?”

4.) “Would you torture and kill Jesus to ensure mankind’s salvation? And how does that work?”

5.) “If Russia entered Turkey from the rear would Greece help?”

#1.) NOPE

#2.) No Taxes! Infinite Revenue! = A person could collect Social Security when he graduates from High School! Party on Dude!

#3.) I would start with Abraham! That would eliminate three of the most evil cults ever conceived!

#4.) See #3

#5.) Beware of Greeks with sneakers on.

Link

In 2004 the FBI received intelligence that Al Qaeda hit teams were enroute to the United States to kill Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, and Valerie Plame. The FBI informed Valerie of this threat. This was just more “good” news piled on the fact that her intelligence career was in shambles, that intelligence assets she had recruited/managed were destroyed, and that she was unable to rebut publicly false and malicious smears of her character and reputation by a bunch of partisan Republican hacks. As the mother of two pre-school children, her first thoughts were about protecting her kids. She took the threat seriously and asked for help.

When the White House learned of these threats they sprung into action. They beefed up Secret Service protection for Vice President Cheney and provided security protection to Karl Rove. But they declined to do anything for Valerie. That was a CIA problem.

Valerie contacted the office of Security at CIA and requested assistance. They told her too fucking bad and to go pound sand.

what kind of fantasy world are the republican candidates living in? Ghouliani was just asked a question about which was worse: the hypothetical situation of Iran having nuclear weapons (which they don't have, and which they don't seek), or the prospect of going to war against Iran (which would be illegal, as there is no evidence that Iran has threatened anyone).

straighttalkexpress @ 47:

Ghouliani wants the US to outspend everyone else and develop a massive military. What the f^%k. Doesn't he know that we're borrowing from China to buy our weapons? And then getting involved in wars to use those weapons?

Yea Rudy, we don't spend enough on the military now...China might invade...

Chris @ 22:

4.) “Would you torture and kill Jesus to ensure mankind’s salvation? And how does that work?”

With a cross. Washing hands optional.

casper46 @ 55:

Seriously....Is there any way any of the rebublics can beat ANY Dem?

Diebold.

The frustrated fundies are still waiting for Jesus to declare his cadidacy.

straighttalkexpress @ 61:

OMG. thompson just offered that he's sexually active and still fathering children.

Wait what?

You can't be serious.

Thing Fish @ 62:

casper46 @ 55:

Seriously....Is there any way any of the rebublics can beat ANY Dem?

Diebold.

Surely they wouldn't use cheating machines, would they?

John Amato @ 58:

straighttalkexpress @ 47:

Ghouliani wants the US to outspend everyone else and develop a massive military. What the f^%k. Doesn't he know that we're borrowing from China to buy our weapons? And then getting involved in wars to use those weapons?

Yea Rudy, we don't spend enough on the military now...China might invade...

Rudy will make Reagan and Bush Jr. look like liberals.

He reminds me of the Wicked Witch of the West. Considering his dress code that is not too far fetched.

(Someone with some skill should photo shop that.)

xoites defends Constitution @ 70:

John Amato @ 58:

straighttalkexpress @ 47:

Ghouliani wants the US to outspend everyone else and develop a massive military. What the f^%k. Doesn't he know that we're borrowing from China to buy our weapons? And then getting involved in wars to use those weapons?

Yea Rudy, we don't spend enough on the military now...China might invade...

Rudy will make Reagan and Bush Jr. look like liberals.

He reminds me of the Wicked Witch of the West. Considering his dress code that is not too far fetched.

(Someone with some skill should photo shop that.)

Heh, a lot of people point out Giuliani's resemblance to the Underdog cartoon villain Simon Bar Sinister.

gimmie mo @ 31:

99 @ 3:

This is gorgeous stuff.

Ron Paul is doing a good job in the House; lets leave him there and not make him another example of the Peter Principle!

I'm definitely not stumping for him to be president, but I'm seriously impressed by this bill! It is dazzlingly beautiful!

Why is it that the MSM never questions the use of the term "Values Voters"? What makes their values any more significant than yours or mine?

I don't consider constitutional ammendments against gay marriage, tax cuts for the rich, a police state & unending war to be moral values!

On the other hand, health care, taking care of the less fortunate, protecting the planet & honest government seem like more desirable goals.

It never ceases me to see & hear the chutzpah of this group of people! I guess when no one calls you on it, it's easy to get away with!

apparently Jane Folger says God has anointed Huckabee to lead the religious conservatives into the White House...well......go figure.So Jane and God talk....will wonders never cease.

mudshark @ 80:

tyree @ 78:

no matter what anyone thinks of me i have been changeing republicans i know around heres minds , ive got three complete familys that wont even bother to vote now, but ive been told that if we run hillery all bets are off, clintons going to draw repigs back out of thier maggot infested cellars , shes the worst thing that can happen to us, believe me the hates there and the repukes are building on it, after the first of the year all youll hear on tv is monica gives bill a blow job ,hillerys a cold blooded bitch that will raise your taxes ,take your guns ,and so much more , jesus kucinich 08

I thought his name was Dennis...

its an upgrade !

Karen @ 57:

CD @ 38:

xoites defends Constitution @ 34:

CD @ 29:

What ever gave you that idea?

Must have been that other guy that would show up at many of our late nigh bull sessions.

CD could be thinking of me. :) I'm not a libertarian, but am very libertarian-influenced, and advocate progressives working with libertarians in order to marginalize authoritarians.

Now there's an idea. Why aren't the Democratic Leaders smart enough to think in these terms. Great outside the box thinking.

dropkick @ 82:

I don't know what scares me the most, we being one of the last great industrial not providing national health care, or this government (owned by corp America) running a health care system (for the benifit of corp America). With Ron Paul at the top at least we would have someone with a moral compass.

Moral Compass?

Abandoning the poor is of the edge of the Flat Earth. No compass there, my friend.

Huckabee actually got 51% of the vote of the people who actually attended. Those poll results have been collected for the last two months from those who attended and on-line voters.

Seems like the republicans are still trying to find a candidate they can steal the election for. One acceptable to the right to get those extra perceived votes.

I will also bet you anything that those who bash Hillary (mostly because they are not men enough to accept a woman president) don't even know the hell what she stands for.

Universal health care. Bringing jobs back to this country. Rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure and trying to end the war in Iraq. In itself a very complicated job. So whats wrong with those ideas. Are the men you want to vote for going to bring a paradise. They sure as hell can't do anymore than Hillary shes is going to try to get accomplished. And with congress and the republicans even in the minority that's going to be a hell of a task. So shut up about women. They are just as competent as men. And they can't fu** this country up anymore than bush and his contingent of men have.

duff @ 90:

xoites defends Constitution @ 85:

Abandoning the poor is of the edge of the Flat Earth. No compass there, my friend.

Bleeding hearts like you will still be around to fork over your paycheck for the lazy.

As opposed to turning it over to those whose ambitions take us to war? The lazy and other lilies of the field don't concern me as much.

xoites defends Constitution @ 18:

I have said it before and i will say it again. I think any democrat can beat any Republican in the next presidential election, so why not nominate the one candidate that actually does have our best interests at heart? Vote for Dennis Kucinich!

I Agree 100%

the MSM will have us believe either that hil is the frontrunner or the repugs would rather face her than anyone else. pathetic.

now that I know that the corporations are pouring their money into her, she cannot possibly get my vote. no DLC, DSCC, DCCC! I registered Democratic to chosse whic Democratis representative I want. I will keep my congressman Rothman in NJ, but I will vote against every other federal incumbent.

Karen @ 67:

John Amato @ 58:

straighttalkexpress @ 47:

Ghouliani wants the US to outspend everyone else and develop a massive military. What the f^%k. Doesn't he know that we're borrowing from China to buy our weapons? And then getting involved in wars to use those weapons?

Yea Rudy, we don't spend enough on the military now...China might invade...

Amazing, isn't it? Fiscal responsibility apparently entails flushing an unprecedented surplus down the toilet, borrowing megazillions to start wars and stretch our military so thin that it can't respond to any of the threats Republicans perceive, and then accusing Democrats of spending too much on social programs.

You have to understand how the conservative mind works. To them, fiscal responsibility begins and ends at personal greed.

Marge @ 89:

Seems like the republicans are still trying to find a candidate they can steal the election for. One acceptable to the right to get those extra perceived votes.

I will also bet you anything that those who bash Hillary (mostly because they are not men enough to accept a woman president) don't even know the hell what she stands for.

Universal health care. Bringing jobs back to this country. Rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure and trying to end the war in Iraq. In itself a very complicated job. So whats wrong with those ideas. Are the men you want to vote for going to bring a paradise. They sure as hell can't do anymore than Hillary shes is going to try to get accomplished. And with congress and the republicans even in the minority that's going to be a hell of a task. So shut up about women. They are just as competent as men. And they can't fu** this country up anymore than bush and his contingent of men have.

let's be fair here. even hillary doesn't know what hillary is going to do. her list of corporate donors is not complete.

Orangutan. @ 51:

When Democrats start speaking intelligently about Monetary Policy and the Federal Reserve System, Ron Paul's allure will fade away. When Democrats start standing up forcefully for the rights and laws of the Constitution, Ron Paul will be less attractive.

I hate the libertarians stance on a lot of things. I don't believe in letting racism play itself out. I like helping neighbors. Providing health care to children. I like taking care of the elderly in a society. I like standing up for people in distress.

I know all that shit. I just wish Democrats were standing up for the Constitution, Standing up to Bush, and Knowledgeable about the Currency of this Country. In those regards I like having Ron Paul's opinion in the political discourse of our country.

You know all this. Later.

Ron Paul is less attractive in the faces of Mike Gravel and Dennis Kucinich. I'd rather have a "socialist" government than no government at all.

I love when Hannity goes apeshit after Paul wins polls

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xoites defends Constitution @ 85:

Abandoning the poor is of the edge of the Flat Earth. No compass there, my friend.

Bleeding hearts like you will still be around to fork over your paycheck for the lazy.

No, he’s not a gullible Repub. He doesn’t support forking over his paycheck to the rich and lazy.

George Bush has never experienced a hard day of work in his life.

Compare him to the working poor who have three to four jobs between two adults, have no health insurance and are living paycheck to paycheck. Lazy? Yes, the Preident who spent most of his Presidency on vacation sure as shit is!

dropkick @ 82:

I don't know what scares me the most, we being one of the last great industrial not providing national health care, or this government (owned by corp America) running a health care system (for the benifit of corp America). With Ron Paul at the top at least we would have someone with a moral compass.

With Ron Paul, it would be "let the market decide everything"!
After leaving Iraq, Paul doesn't have an idea worth repeating!

tyree @ 84:

dropkick @ 82:

I don't know what scares me the most, we being one of the last great industrial not providing national health care, or this government (owned by corp America) running a health care system (for the benifit of corp America). With Ron Paul at the top at least we would have someone with a moral compass.

kucinich has a compass too!

I know, I love Kucinich. I will vote for Kucinich ( write in if it comes to that ). I'm saying I like some of the things I hear from Ron Paul (not your tipical Repug). I don't, for instance like the nanny US gov sticking it's nose into my business at will. I don't like to hear this gun controll dribble from every Democrat running. Just to name a few.

I'll say 3 things about Ron Paul: he has spine, stands up for his principles and he openly demands respect for the constitution (even if it is only that part of the constitution preceding the bill of rights/amendments ;) ). In any event, on these qualities of character he is miles above many of our pansy Dems, who are afraid to let out a tweet or a titter in opposition to any of the unconstitutional operations the admin is pulling.

It's too bad he has the wrong stance on so many issues.

And too bad he falls for some of those batshit insane dime-a-dozen Texan conspiracy theories...

is it just me but when i see and hear ron paul speak, its like having a time machine to a place before corporate cocksuckin and a real sense of rationality...

(I submitted before I was finished)
The FED has printed so much money the world is awash in dollars. The Mexican monitary crisis, the Asian monitary crisis, the Russian monitary crisis, the stock market bubble, all resulted in printing US dollars to refloat those currencies and to re-inflate the stock market. Now the War in Iraq. This will become inflation like we've never seen. Even the oil producing countries are begining to sell oil for other currencies. An aritificial prop for the dollar. If you have been paying attention you see it coming already.

xoites defends Constitution @ 39:

Ron Paul wants a country where noone pays taxes and if you want a street light somewhere you better have the money to have it installed.

Getting rid of the IRS means no more income taxes, but it doesn't mean no more taxes. Besides, do you really believe that your street lights are paid for by federal tax dollars?

It probably would be best if you didn't try to educate other people on Ron Pauls stances, since you clearly don't understand them.

CD @ 42:

xoites defends Constitution @ 39:

CD, look at what Kucinich stands for. He wants a government that takes care of its people. For that i would be willing to pay more taxes. I do not want to live in a country where a lot of people are uncared for, uneducated and living in poverty.

Ron Paul wants a country where noone pays taxes and if you want a street light somewhere you better have the money to have it installed.

No thanks.

I didn't know the constitution gave the federal government the power to install street lights, thank you for enlightening me on this issue..

CD @ 40:

Even more alarming is Ron Paul's desire to get rid of FEMA.

Sure it failed during Katrina but when a States infrustructure is crippled it needs outside help ASAP.

You admit that Fema is a failure, Ron Paul wants to get rid of Fema, but you don't believe he should because..... .. what next time you don't think they will fail so miserably?

Josh T @ 40:

Paul is merely an old style conservative, going back to the Adam Smith. Thus, an arsehole. You know all them stories from a hundred or more years ago, about children going into mines, there being no protection for workers, Robber barons running around, making as much as money as possible? A old style conservative wet dream, with the government being tiny and Invisible Hand of the Market ruling over all decisions.

Actually you would find that only the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT would be tiny under paul, because you see there is a very limited amount the federal government can do according to this thing we have called a CONSTITUTION.
Issues of Child labor, Protection of Labor, and theft are left up to the states.

ie. The 10th ammendment: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

It's funny, you socialists say you like the fact that ron paul upholds the constitution, but you really don't, because all the programs you crave and desire ARE unconstitutional. You praise Ron Paul for upholding the ideas of the founders while descrying his stance on abolishing the Department of Education, of Fema, or Welfare. All of which are unconstitutional. I suppose it's sad and funny at the same time, because what you fail to understand is, you CAN still have these programs, just not through the federal government, whether yours is financed and run through state or local government you COULD still have the socialist programs you enjoy so much and I and other capitalists can choose not to have some of them.

Your dependence on the state will be what ruins this country.

xoites defends Constitution @ 94:

You are so innacurate when you speak! I like that in an adversary. :)

that sounds funny, coming from someone who thinks that our streetlights are paid for by income taxes....

milquetoast @ 119:

xoites defends Constitution @ 94:

You are so innacurate when you speak! I like that in an adversary. :)

that sounds funny, coming from someone who thinks that our streetlights are paid for by income taxes....

Sorry, i meant tooth fairy. My bad.

xoites defends Constitution @ 121:

milquetoast @ 119:

xoites defends Constitution @ 94:

You are so innacurate when you speak! I like that in an adversary. :)

that sounds funny, coming from someone who thinks that our streetlights are paid for by income taxes....

Sorry, i meant tooth fairy. My bad.

Way to miss the point. since when does the FEDERAL government pay for city facilities?

hmmm ... The republican Debate is on Pravda ... er. ...FOX

GO RON PAUL!
Only one concern, anyone remember the 'last' President to attempt to remove the system of money in our country?
He was assasinated! Look it up. I think Ron Paul would be an awesome President. I just worry about his safety. You just don't mess with the money system. You're dealing with the REAL power in the good ole U S of A.

Doug @ 126:

yenehC hcaepmI @ 120:

103 xoites defends Constitution Says:
Compare him to the working poor who have three to four jobs between two adults, have no health insurance and are living paycheck to paycheck.
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And Ron Paul wants them to keep all of thier hard earned money. Income tax was supposed to be a tax on income. NOT wages for labor. The tax on wages was brought into play when the Federal Reserve was taken over by private bankers.

Check out the documentary "America: Freedom to Fascism" on google video...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173&hl=en

It goes into great detail about the income tax and the Federal Reserve. Former IRS agents are in the video that say they quit their jobs because they researched and found there is no law requiring people to pay taxes on labor.

RIP Aaron Russo

Ah the old "tax on labor" dodge.

That is one of the arguments that will get you a nice $5000 frivolous tax return penalty from the IRS.

One would think that if even half these arguments from tax protestors were true then every one would use them.

7 US Supreme court cases have rejected the "tax on labor" dodge.

I see a trend there.

And yet they've yet even to this day been able to show a law granting them the authority to do it.

xoites defends Constitution @ 130:

Ray @ 128:

xoites defends Constitution @ 124:

frank @ 123:

Sorry, i meant tooth fairy. My bad.

Way to miss the point. since when does the FEDERAL government pay for city facilities?

There are state income taxes and (shh this is a secret!) Federal Hiways. They call it the Interstate System.

I have a really good used hairsplitter i could sell you cheap!

Whenever I think about Federal Funding for Highways, I think of the Feds withholding Funds from Louisiana until they raised the drinking age back up to 21. Another big win for Federal Bureaucrats, taking more power away from the states and the people.

Whenever I think about Federal Funding for Highways, I think, "Jesus! This sure as hell beats a covered wagon trail!"

because highways would be far to complex for a state government to handle...
Highways require the insight that only federal bureaucrats possess..

And as an added bonus of making State governments responsible for Highway development, the Federal Government can't withhold funding for highway construction because a state decided to let a legal adult have a beer.

You should really change your name man.. "xoites defends Constitution", It seems most of your arguments are actually in favor of destroying the constitution and handing all power over to the the benevolent state.

You remind me of one of the poor fools in Bastiat's government.

http://bastiat.org/en/government.html

Ron Paul on health care:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul339.html

If you read this you can't honestly believe that Ron Paul is striving to create a society where those who can't fend for themselves will be left to their own devices.

Ron Paul proposed this bill which Dennis Kucinich cosponsored:
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/473/ron_paul_introduces_hemp_bill_US...

This does not sound like a man wanting to take Social Security away from Seniors:
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/social-security/

As for FEMA:
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/09/15/katrina.response/index.html
Someone above said what would we do without them if we suffered a massive domestic disaster but as you can see they merely stymied the outpouring of support from volunteers and civil servants.

As Dropkick said earlier, Paul doesn't want to pull the rug out from under those that are dependent on the system. It does appear that he is strongly pro-life and wants to make state legislatures the venues for abortion rights. As a man, I couldn't begin to ponder the ramifications involved in making the decision to get an abortion but I believe we have the right to do to our body what we please. I know when my wife told me she was pregnant I was scared as hell and didn't think we were ready to have a child but neither one of us considered termination. 2 years later I look at my daughter and realize she is the best thing to ever happen to me, a reflection of myself, and a vehicle of youthful exuberance that allows me to see the wonders of childhood from a more appreciative perspective.

xoites defends Constitution @ 134:

My interest in the Constitution and my defense of it is based on particapatory government. You sit here and blame the abuses of government on the government. I blame the abuses on us. You step outside the process and declare it invalid (and you may be right). I choose to defend what is left of what we have because Bush and Cheney are trying to rip it asunder.
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I don't declare the process invalid, The constitution and bill of rights that was drawn up for us by the founders was ingenious. They knew well the abuses of central power which is why they severely limited the amount of things the Federal Government could do in the Bill of Rights. I completely agree that Bush and Cheney have torn our Bill of Rights to shreds. Yes I blame the government because they have committed the offenses, and yes we are equally culpable because of our lack of action against these offenses.

The Result of no funding would more than likely be forceful tax collection techniques under the current administration.

Ron Paul is always saying we have to change what we think the role of government ought to be, and he's right the government can not be there to take care of everyone. If you look at history these policies either lead to collapse and/or tyranny.

It's more than just keeping money, it's about Natural Rights, Namely the Right to property. I would rather start taking the system apart, not so much so I can keep money, but so that I can make more choices about my life and not let the omnipotent government tell me what I can and can't have or do. Whether that be drugs, non fda approved medicine, or not having my phone tapped without a warrant.

I simply don't see a way to get back our rights WITHOUT dismantling parts of the system.

Oh great. Another thread full of people singing the praises of that stinking LIBERTARIAN.

136 xoites defends Constitution Says: “It is fundamentally unfair to give benefits to anyone who has not paid into the system.”
Ron Paul

If you never had a job go fuck yourself.

Ooooo...nice try to spin that into something that isn't there...The sentence you tried to spin is in the third last paragraph.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/social-security/

Our nation’s promise to its seniors, once considered a sacred trust, has become little more than a tool for politicians to scare retirees while robbing them of their promised benefits. Today, the Social Security system is broke and broken.

Those in the system are seeing their benefits dwindle due to higher taxes, increasing inflation, and irresponsible public spending.

The proposed solutions, ranging from lower benefits to higher taxes to increasing the age of eligibility, are NOT solutions; they are betrayals.

Imposing any tax on Social Security benefits is unfair and illogical. In Congress, I have introduced the Senior Citizens Tax Elimination Act (H.R. 191), which repeals ALL taxes on Social Security benefits, to eliminate political theft of our seniors’ income and raise their standard of living.

Solvency is the key to keeping our promise to our seniors, and I have introduced the Social Security Preservation Act (H.R. 219) to ensure that money paid into the system is only used for Social Security.

It is fundamentally unfair to give benefits to anyone who has not paid into the system. The Social Security for Americans Only Act (H.R. 190) ends the drain on Social Security caused by illegal aliens seeking the fruits of your labor.

We must also address the desire of younger workers to save and invest on their own. We should cut payroll taxes and give workers the opportunity to seek better returns in the private market.

Excessive government spending has created the insolvency crisis in Social Security. We must significantly reduce spending so that our nation can keep its promise to our seniors.

GOP Rivals Argue Who's Most Conservative

Did any start "yo mama"?

AConfederacyofDunces @ 11:

EJG @ 4:

I am hoping Kucinich gets the democratic nomination. For sure if Ron Paul got the Republican nomination and Kucinich didn't get the Democratic one, I would vote for Ron Paul!

Ron Paul has some negatives for me. That said...

he's right on the war (out now)
he's right on civil liberties
he's right on the destruction of the currency (eliminate the Fed)
he's right on the CIA (by and large, disband it)

He can get my vote over a corporatist.

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Ron Paul is the corporate elites' best wet dream. His "let the market decide all" philosophy embraces removing almost all regulations and government oversight of corporate activity. Under Ron Paul's philosophy, a corporation would never have to ask the question "Is it legal?". The only question that would ever be need to asked is "Is it profitable?" You think Clinton is a corporatist? Ron Paul is the ultimate corporatist.

Ray @ 129:

Doug @ 126:

yenehC hcaepmI @ 120:

103 xoites defends Constitution Says:
Compare him to the working poor who have three to four jobs between two adults, have no health insurance and are living paycheck to paycheck.
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And Ron Paul wants them to keep all of thier hard earned money. Income tax was supposed to be a tax on income. NOT wages for labor. The tax on wages was brought into play when the Federal Reserve was taken over by private bankers.

Check out the documentary "America: Freedom to Fascism" on google video...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173&hl=en

It goes into great detail about the income tax and the Federal Reserve. Former IRS agents are in the video that say they quit their jobs because they researched and found there is no law requiring people to pay taxes on labor.

RIP Aaron Russo

Ah the old "tax on labor" dodge.

That is one of the arguments that will get you a nice $5000 frivolous tax return penalty from the IRS.

One would think that if even half these arguments from tax protestors were true then every one would use them.

7 US Supreme court cases have rejected the "tax on labor" dodge.

I see a trend there.

And yet they've yet even to this day been able to show a law granting them the authority to do it.

Like I said, if that was even remotely true then EVERYONE would be using that dodge. It has been refuted by the courts in no less than 7 US Supreme Court cases and in each one they said such a dodge is not true.

Now we could argue this issue over again but what's the point. Anyone who argues that the government isn't allowed to tax labor is wrong on the facts.

Continuing to say the government can't tax labor is equal to Dubya continuing to claim that Saddam was involved in the 9/11 plot. That dog won't hunt.

no progressive worth their salt would be in favor of anything Ron Paul stands for, with the exception of his rabble rousing and anti-war/pro constitution stance. i don't get the fascination with this man.

Orangutan. @ 1:

I am in Support of Barack Obama and Dennis Kucinich for President. But if I had to pick a republican to win their primary. It would definitely be Ron Paul. He seems to be one of the few Republicans out there who truly values the Constitution of America and what we stand for.

People, understand something..Ron Paul is a Libertarian...if you want a libertarian get ready for an assault on Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security..in fact any program whiich benefits the Middle class....his stance on War is a'putting lipstick on this pig"....get smart or be prepared to stop spending for anything other than food, clothing and shelter because you're going to have to pay for everything else on your dime....Ron Paul,,, really