Bush Says No To Children And Yes To War - Bin Laden Tape Shows Up Just In Time
By Logan Murphy Sunday Oct 21, 2007 8:14pm(Guest blogged by BillW)
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Just last week Bush vetoed $35 billion for sick children, but now he needs $46 billion more for the occupation in Iraq.
"The Iraq war is now costing $330 million a day. That could pay for 1700 more border patrol agents, or provide health-care for an extra 45,000 military veterans, or the funds from just one day in Iraq would give 270,000 more kids coverage under SCHIP."
On Wed the House will have another hearing on the long-term cost of the war. The last time the figure was $1 trillion and it's a no-brainer the new figure is going to be much higher.
Jack Cafferty: "I've got a quick question Wolf. Who approves the funding for the war?
Wolf Blitzer: The United States Congress
Jack Cafferty: Oh yeah. right. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi and those Democrats who were elected to do something about the war. I forgot.
Also, surprise! (not) There's a new bin Laden tape out, this time urging al Qaeda in Iraq and other insurgent groups to merge forces. His timing couldn't possibly have been any better coordinated to conveniently help boogieman Congress into getting Bush all the money he wants, could it?
John Amato: "Obey is talking tough, but until I see them do something about this---I will take it with a grain of salt."
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Bin Laden shows up, just in time, AGAIN, to reinforce the administration's talking points, AGAIN. What are the odds?
Reid...Pelosi...why won't you listen?
Almost $14 MILLION per hour, 24 hours per day.
Don't let anybody ever tell you that we can't afford single-payer healthcare.
There are several possible scenarios about the tape:
1. Bin Laden works for the administration.
2. It is a phony Bin Laden.
3. Bin Laden realizes he has the ability to pull Bush's chain whenever he wishes and Bush will fall for it.
None of these scenarios do much for the macho image Bush wants to pretend.
Shocked I tell you... shocked! It's as if there's a direct line between the White House and
some guy splicing together old bin Laden footage and dubbing over itbin Laden himself!"I'm not Osama bin Laden, but I play him on TV"
Nothing short of a massive grass-roots effort to mount PRIMARY battles against incumbent invertibrate Democrats will end this abonination. And we ought not elect Hillary, because she is the very embodiment of spineless Democratic pandering and middle ground safety-seeking. Five years from now Bush and Cheney will be long forgotten and it will have become HER war. God forbid!
To end the abomination, we must become an OBAMA NATION! Or an Edwards-ocracy. ANYONE but spineless, macho wannabe Hillary!
Stick a fork in it! This country is DONE!! There is no accountability or leadership coming from anywhere or anybody. Soon it will be every man, woman, and child for himself!!
I agree with Sany. This country is done. Fucking sad too. Thanks a lot Democraps and Repugnants for putting yourself and your parties before what is good for this nation.
How convenient for bin Laden to show up. Right when people, like myself, are fuming over the SCHIP veto. No money for child healthcare, plenty of money for unnecessary war.
IMPEACH.
Gore/Kucinich/Obama/Anyone but Bush '08
The congress needs to grow a pair, and say no to King Bush. Saying no forces discussion of the validity of the war, and more than 70% of the country is against the president on this issue. This is one key issue where nobody will fault the congress if they tell the president to go screw himself because they won't capitulate to his requests and fear mongering.
miss_kitty @ 6:
"I'm not Osama bin Laden, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night."
Sorry, I'm waiting for Osama on DVD with special bonus
Fuck Bin Laden. He comes up with a new crappy tape every day and they all have the same shoddy plotting, shitty foleying, and the worst voice actors I've ever heard. Even the Paris Hilton tapes were better than that.
I am very upset to read all of your skeptical posts. You do not realize how serious the threat is- and to suggest that this is somehow fake suggests you are ignorant of the truth. Before ANY of you dare repeat that claim, you had better watch
this video and tell me for one minute why we shouldn't be absolutely terrified.
Apology accepted.
Bin Laden is dead and probably died bloody years ago. I wonder who the guy is that they keep getting to play him? De Niro? You could probably put a long beard and mo on Adrien Brody and he'd make a good Bin Laden. Of course, once he had played the part, he could never leave the "Psy Ops Studio"...
Maybe Bin Laden would like one of those lovely pony's you've got down there!
B. Mundt @ 15:
ROFLMAO! ! ! !
seriously, that was frickin perfect.
Osama Bin Laden releases more videos than Britney Spears. When is President Bush gonna kill this guy?
When is Congress going to remember WHY they were elected in 2006 - and listen to the people who put them into power to stand up to the Bush/Cheney war machine. The Bushies are going to draw money from every area they can to pay for the neo-con war (and let's hope that "war" stays singular).
B. Mundt @ 15:
lol! it's as good as any OBL vids I've seen...yes, he looks 'scary'.
B. Mundt @ 15:
With all due respect, the biggest threat to America (and the rest of the world for that matter) is sitting in the White House along with his puppet master.
Preznit Boosh has been playing us for SOOOOOOO long now I can't imagine anyone falling for this crap again....all except........congress....sigh..feckin LOSERS!
Another scream:
If this "war on terrorism" is an existential conflict, then WHY is Bush still so determined to slash taxes? If we are all in this together, if Bush is determined to take care of things now, so that our future generations won't have to, why is he saddling them with the bill?
That needs to be shouted out day and night until the war ends.
You can't question whether this is Real Osama™. If you doubt, you risk opening up a whole can of worms that Cannot Be Discussed Here.
So, suckas, you're stuck with Osama. You have to believe he's real and alive right now, just like Jesus.
xenon @ 22:
With most of the due respect, click the link in the post @15. You'll appreciate the time it takes to watch it.
B. Mundt @ 15:
I'm still laughing at that. I almost didn't even click on it as I thought it was going to be a link to one of Horowitz's islamofascist boogieman vids but figured before I laid into a troll linking to some crap like that I'd better check it out for at least a second or two first.
lol
B. Mundt @ 15:
OHHHH...hahahahahaha,hehehehehehehe,ohohohohohohoh....oh shit my side hurts....oh no stop it ,STOP IT..ahahahahaha,heheheheheh,ohohohohohohoh...OH SHIT......no no stop ....
be very, very afraid of our country
Think we could at least get SCHIP added as an amendment?
Boosh the douche says: "Checks and balances, you write the checks and I'll break the balances!"
Is preziDent [deleted - yes.]
...
mudshark @ 28:
hey didn't I see that guy in a Rick James video???
Vanna @ 25:
Just like Jesus, LOL!
I wrote my senator today and said "No more money for war."
mudshark @ 28:
I'll see your hysterical laughter and raise you "OMG!!!1!!!1!!! I wet myself!"... :lol: :lol: :lol:
kaT @ 34:
With few exceptions, they don't care.
Really.
and cafferty is right....you cant bitch about the funding....and then fund the war anyway
im sick of the dems
Uhhh where is the rest of what Jack said?
miss_kitty @ 36:
it certainly would appear that way.sad but true.
as lafin gas would say-
How many coincidences does it take before you realize they were not coincidences at all?
bilhelm-X @ 31:
please dont refer to the chimp as boosh
their was a great brit comedy show called the mighty boosh
Blue Buddha @ 5:
Yeah, these fucking tapes are FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE. I'm so sick of people falling for this shit.
We need to get a few things straight here.
1. Bin laden has been dead since Dec of 2001:
http://www.welfarestate.com/binladen/funeral/
2. The CIA created al CIAduh:
http://www.greenleft.org.au/2001/465/25199
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fakealqaeda.html
3. 9/11 was a "new Pearl Harbor false flag" inside job by Cheney, Kristol, and the PNAC guys and the banking system:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003
http://tinyurl.com/2mpjbr
Unless we impeach the head of the monster (Bush/Cheney) and get them to a world court for murder, terrorism, genocide, and more, we are dead as a nation and a free people. They run everything right now but not our hearts and ideas. We owe it to over one million Iraqi souls.
Looks like the United States will be indebted to China for at least the Chimp's grandchildren's lifetimes.
And to think, when he took office, Bush said "we won't pass on our problems to future administrations or future generations". As soon as he uttered those words, I knew he was going to raise the debt even more than Reagan ever thought of doing!
Everybody knows the neoconservatives evil game plan for the middle east, why does anybody still fall for this PNAC crap? When will the shameless corporate media stop lying to us in our faces?
Bush bin Laden is doing Al-Queda's bidding by bringing down America from the inside. Has anyone checked to see if perhaps BushCo is an Al-Queda sleeper cell? Bush's blood brother Osama couldn't be more pleased with BushCo's work. Thank's to BushCo our military is stretched thin, our citizens don't have money for their needs, our allies think we are the biggest threat to world peace, China holds our debt and therefore us under their thumb, and the terrorist are all over iraq getting that oil money to fund another attack against us.
Bin Laden could only bring down the twin towers but it took this Clown Chimp and his band of corrupt, lawless, criminal thugs to bring down America.
Wow..borrowing money from Mexico. That's funny.
So who's on the top ten list of the Greatest Country's in the World for this years trophy?
Hey top 20 is still not bad. Go America rah.
Wonder when someone is going to look into why bin Laden is still working for Shrub.
And how much Shrub knows about it.
cnn couldn't have made it any easier following the Bush's request for $46 bil more for his war story with the new OBL tape one. I almost think they did it that way on purpose just so it could be made into this post.
Its sweeps week for the 24%ers. A Pall bearers convention and a very, very, special Bin Laden episode you won't want to miss.
We get it but the dinosaurs in Congress do not.
Symes @ 48:
As I said at 43:
Bin laden has been dead since Dec of 2001:
http://www.welfarestate.com/binladen/funeral/
i'm trapped in 1984, but goldstein has a long, black beard and a turban.
What happened to Homeland Security (Tom Ridge) and the constant changing of security level colors (ie. orange to red, etc.) that we saw during the 2004 Presidential election? It seems like they have gone away since we are not in the midst of voting season. Like the Bin Laden tapes, they always appear with strategic timing when the neocons need votes or funding! Lets quit being fooled!
Another one off the shelf from Dick Cheney's video collection. The bin Laden videos are kept at an undisclosed location somewhere between his massive collection of extreme S&M and animal crushing videos.
uncle joe mccarthy @ 41:
Indeed, there is enough injustice without insulting The Mighty Boosh !
miss_kitty @ 35:
I imploded with a laugh-gasim, and can now see though time.
mrogi @ 19:
You obviously didn't get the program on the way into this pantomime, or didn't read it at any rate, the baddie doesn't kill the ghost of fear, the people do that ......
fuck
why can't bush get the bin ladens to fund the iraq war like he got them to fund arbusto.
I finally got it. bin Laden is a majority stockholder in Halliburton. How stupid of me not to see this before. Sheesh!
B. Mundt @ 15:
I'm not watching your tape and no apology is forthcoming. I can only take so many lies. If you want to wet your bed, go ahead.
This is a dem occupation too. They stick together when they screw up this bad.
Betrayus changed the mission again to go after the shiites in the south to warmonger Iran.
Iran is the new security issue in the election.
momofsonofwar @ 29:
This single phrase should be slapped on bumper stickers, plastered on billboards and splashed across newspapers. It should be cut into farmer's fields so as to be seen from the air . It should be worn on T-shirts and spelled out in the stands of football games. This one short sentence cuts through all the B.S. and summarizes the last six years succinctly . It also triggers a reaction in even the most clueless of citizen, making them ask the most important question "Why?"
Edwin @ 59:
I didn't realize it was comedy. Whatever.
B. Mundt @ 15:
Here is why we shouldn't be absolutely terrified. So do your "concern troll" routine somewhere else. It doesn't work here!
John @ 30:
NO! No money for children when there are innocent people left to kill.
B. Mundt @ 15:
I appologize. This guy is crazier than i first suspected.
Jack Cafferty: Oh yeah. right. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi and those Democrats who were elected to do something about the war. I forgot.
Ow! Burn.
Edwin @ 59:
Oh, Edwin . . . click the link! For extra incentive, read through the thread first. ;)
Karen @ 67:
Heh, corrected yourself before I could click "Submit Comment," eh? Fine then. :)
iraqconcilable @ 61:
I think it would backfire nicely.
You would have the majority of the population being typical jingoistic warmongers shouting it at everyone on the world stage and at people in the homeland who didn't agree with them. There would be no introspective thinking there would just be flag waving with "kill and attack everyone" USA is the best ra ra ra, chanting, furious "patriotic" masturbation to Faux Noise, more of the same really.
I don't think anything short of a BJ or a violent revolution will sort it out at the moment.
Otay @ 66:
THAT one left skidmarks! :-O
Jerry @ 69:
I vote for the blow job! Can i be the one that gets it this time?
muddy puddle @ 1:
3 strikes..he's out...or are we?
Since no one calls GW out and brands him with treason - ......WHY? it escapes me. Just the other day I played the Coulter vid where she laughed and said he wasn't important and wasn't he dead?
The suppression by this administration, Congress and Media is sinful.
B. Mundt @ 15:
Pffftttt (sound of coke spitting out of the nose).
Most excellent! Thanks!
Navy Vet @ 12:
That funny man :)
our great warrior president bush will suck the blood of these muslim putos!
43 EJ Says: We need to get a few things straight here.
1. Bin laden has been dead since Dec of 2001
I pay about as much attention to Osama bin "press releases" as I do new Britney Spears videos/news (which is none). I have a sneaking hunch they are used (and possibly created) by "our side" for propaganda ... NO? No other possibilty makes sense.
If he does in fact come out of some cave to try to scare the Bejeezuz out of me, guess what, the score is --->Edwin 1: Terra-iss 0. If you believe the vids, the terra-iss win (and any other ancillary conspiratorial organizations involved; like the W.H.?) ;)
Otay @ 66:
SNAP!
Off topic,[You're right. And I missed it and now it's spawned a bunch of other off topic comments. See why we don't like off topic posts? Take it to the open thread Sitemonitor]
who cares?
america voted for this war, and now deserves to pay whatever it costs. it's your own faults for not taking into consideration the true costs of war when it was still avoidable.
co·in·ci·dence
Pronunciation: \kō-ˈin(t)-sə-dən(t)s, -sə-ˌden(t)s\
Function: noun
Date: 1605
1: the act or condition of coinciding : correspondence
2: the occurrence of events that happen at the same time by accident but seem to have some connection; also : any of these occurrences
con·spir·a·cy
Pronunciation: \kən-ˈspir-ə-sē\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural con·spir·a·cies
Etymology: Middle English conspiracie, from Latin conspirare
Date: 14th century
1: the act of conspiring together
2 a: an agreement among conspirators b: a group of conspirators
synonyms plot, intrigue, machination, conspiracy, cabal mean a plan secretly devised to accomplish an evil or treacherous end. plot implies careful foresight in planning a complex scheme . intrigue suggests secret underhanded maneuvering in an atmosphere of duplicity . machination implies a contriving of annoyances, injuries, or evils by indirect means . conspiracy implies a secret agreement among several people usually involving treason or great treachery . cabal typically applies to political intrigue involving persons of some eminence .
Wow if we had directed all that money at the war on drugs, we would have won it by now. And since everybody knows, per the administration, that the terrorists get their money from drugs, we would have won the war on terror as well!
DiggyG @ 80:
I never voted for this war. I was at the first demonstration against it in DC before it happened. Hell i was arrested twice at the White House before the first War in Iraq.
Speak for yourself, please.
Not another god damn dime. Funny how the "we're spending too much money, we can't have S-CHIP" Pajamas Medians always support more money for war
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/10/09/bush-admins-leak-of-osam_n_6772...
So here is how the Bush administration coincidented the timing of the last Bin laden Tape. So, even if they don't control when he makes the tape, it is an established fact that they do control the release of the tape.
Doesn't this kinda prove Starks point the other day? They don't have the money for the war either but they will get and spend it. That is exactly what just happened.
curtilingus @ 74:
You're reading too much into it. Inquiring about about the timing being convenient for bushco does not imply any "cooperative" anything. Note the question mark. lol
In any case, the idea that bushco may have some control over the timing of obl tape releases is a completely independent thing than the 9-11 truth movement.
xoites defends Constitution @ 83:
the downside to democracy is that all citizens have to pay for the decisions of the majority, no matter how misguided. you didn't yourself vote for it, but as a responsible member of a democracy you have to treat this problem as your own.
[You're passing judgment from Texas? Don't forget pal, we didn't vote this administration into office. Either time. This finger pointing of yours is close to flamebait. Knock it off-Sitemonitor]
curtilingus @ 82:
We have spent that much on the War on Drugs.
War, apparently, is not the answer.
Cafferty disses Pelosi & Reid - from the left!
(Uh, with that you two have the cover from the press).
They probably worry about what FOX will say.
Screw FOX!
Impeach or stop the dollars for this idiot's war.
was that parody, satire or irony?
DiggyG @ 88:
You are making too many assumptions.
First you are assuming Bush was elected. (He wasn't.)
Second you are assuming Americans live in a democracy. (We don't.)
[And he's posting from a Texas IP-Sitemonitor]
Karen @ 68:
I have a real trigger finger when I suspect trolls come it. I go into automatic and my brain clicks into high gear. I can hardly contain myself. Not that I dislike trolls. Far from it; they add spice. I find the "usual suspects" pretty lame, so they're easy targets. And that's the whole gory story. ;) (And that's when my spelling etc., is atrocious. I can't type well, so...) (PS spell check doesn't work here, unless terra-iss is now in the dictionary.)
I just don't know how you live there (USA) listening to "these people" (you know the ones) all the time; at home, at work, at the supermarket. I live in Korea, and everyone is "jabbering" on about who-knows-what in Korean. I merrily tune out, listen to my MP3, and do the crossword puzzle.
[Off topic. Take it to the open thread Sitemonitor]
BaScOmBe @ 91:
No, that was the real OBL.
Boo!
d-man @ 24:
Great Point. I hadn't thought of that. So true.
justabill @ 27:
Same experience here man.
xoites defends Constitution @ 92:
to your first point: congress authorized this war, more or less, and the war had broad (if poorly informed) support
in any case, what is cafferty suggesting? that it should be acceptable for the usa to go invading countries, promising great changes, and then when things go bad wash your hands of it all and go back to your comfortable lives, leaving foreigners to clean up the mess?
who's fault is iraq? the answer is simple: america's fault... and so american's should quit whining about the costs of cleaning up their own mess. you broke it, you bought it.
[I'm close to shutting you down, All Hat and No Cattle-Sitemonitor]
Bush and Cheney need Osama and Osama needs them. They are two sides of a coin. Osama got what he wanted power, an America without freedom and recruits to his warped cause. Bush and Cheney got what they wanted power, an America without freedom and recruits to their warped cause. These psychopaths deserve each other.
I hope that someday those innocent recruits long fooled by these terrorist cult leaders will turn on them with the same fury that they preach in pursuit of their respective warped causes.
I won't hold my breath waiting though. This country continues to recruit willing young people to kill people in the name of stopping killing and Osama continues to do the same. Each glorifies those who die in that endeavor as heroes.
Doesn't really matter what happens to Osama. Once Bush and Cheney resorted to pre-emptive war, torture, and lies we lost whatever made us different.
I think you are missing our point. I am not surprised.
I will speak for myself.
I think we owe Iraq reparations. We need to get our troops out and send gobs of humanitarian aid through the UN.
[Off topic. Take it to the open thread Sitemonitor]
And don't irritate Site Monitor. Site Monitor is a Force of Nature.
This Congress is impotent.
You know what's funny? NOW Bush wants more money to pay for body armor and other protection for the troops. NOW he thinks we should be looking into keeping our men and women safe over there. As opposed to four years ago when the families of soldiers were buying their equipment for them, as the military wasn't providing for them as it should have been. First of all, should we not have already had body armor bought and paid for from the START of this war? Why, after so many years, does Bush suddenly think we need to purchase assloads of kevlar and armor plating? Where the HELL was our money going when this war started?!
AUDIT THE PRESIDENT AND THE MILITARY! Too much money is being spent on too much armor that isn't on our soldiers' backs yet. I want to know where this money is going and what it is being spent on.
curtilingus @ 74:
Because there's evidence for one and not the other, perhaps? Or maybe it's simply that there's no place for tinfoil hat garbage here?
Or maybe it's that the idea of OBL being used as a boogeyman doesn't necessarily require him to be alive and on the government payroll, when they could just do what several people have already suggested, and splice together old footage while dubbing it over with new smears and lies?
Damian @ 104:
Yes :)
The USA has become the worlds only dysfunctional superpower. In its worldly ignorance, made drunk by its own delusions of grandeur, blinded by the blood and suffering of its innocent victims, oiling the wheels of its corporate military machinery.
This is 21st century Fascism.
xoites defends Constitution @ 100:
fair enough.
anti-war dems rarely talk about the "what next" phase of ending the war. pretty much the only thing bush & friends have gotten right is that leaving iraq to its own devices would be a humanitarian disaster. if america were to do as you suggest (and honestly, i think they should) i have a suspicion that you would still see cafferty comparing the cost of reparations to all sorts of domestic spending options (closing fire stations here while you're paying to open them in baghdad, and other such arguments).
canucks have the same problem with our ndp pushing for an immediate pullout of afghanistan, without discussing how we would continue to help afghans.
Gekke @ 106:
Yes, it is.
xoites defends Constitution @ 102:
i have no idea who site monitor is...
faq?
Damian @ 104:
Err, as far as I can tell, it's none of those. It's far more simple.
It has been C&L's experience that discussions about competing 9/11 theories hijack threads (I apologize for the pun there, though "hijacking" is the word I see used most often in this context), and make the blogging experience here a general displeasure for all but the, ahem, hijackers.
And it's that simple. To argue that bin Laden and Bush enjoy a kind of political symbiosis is not the same as arguing, for instance, that Bush hired bin Laden to crash jets on 9/11. Since they're not the same thing, and have not had the same effect on threads, they are treated differently under C&L's posting rules.
That's it. Move along. Nothing more to see here. ;)
DiggyG @ 88:
I don't know Cafferty that well, i do not know what he would think or say. I do know that Kucinich is pushing for reparations and is promising them if elected. That is just one reason why i am voting for him.
I think Bush/Haliburton/Cheney/Blackwater/Wolfowitz/Dyncorp/Rumsfeld/and anyone else or any other war profiteering corp ought to be able to pay for the reparations for Iraq's reconstruction after we immediately pull out. I think all their assets ought to be seized and put forth accordingly.
DiggyG @ 109:
Site Monitor is a shared responsibility of people who run this site. They are no nonesense folks who care enough to toss out people who talk but don't converse.
truthfinder @ 53:
This sounds like that Anthrax that conveniently went to politicians and journalists riding up to the vote for the Patriot Act. Something is seriously sick in our country. I hope we have the patriots to right the wrongs and get this thing turned around. BTW... The Main Stream Media never talks much about that Anthrax stuff, but that last I heard it was traced to a lab here in America. I agree "Let's quit being fooled" and Let's quit pretending to be stupid. Thanks.
xoites defends Constitution @ 112:
that sounds pretty reasonable actually.
as long as the us doesn't just wipe their hands of the whole mess. i mean it's bad enough when the west ignores humanitarian crises, but to actually cause one and then ignore it? that would just be too shameful
xoites defends Constitution @ 108:
Yup. Four more years oughta seal it for good too. Careful who you vote for!!!!
Orangutan. @ 115:
It was traced to Fort Dietrick in Frederick, Maryland.
Being from Maryland i can tell you the hiway message boards were aglow with "Report Suspicious Activity [Call 1-800-Vote-Republican]" for two months before the election. The day after the election they politely suggested we not drink and drive.
B. Mundt @ 15:
Now that is funny shit! Fuzzy video in which OBL is speaking english. English with a British accent! And why would he be speaking English in the first place!?
Edwin @ 111:
"There's really five companies that control 90 percent of what we read, see and hear." - Ted Turner
ok. sorry.
obviously, i forgot to fix those blockquotes.
ill just add this though, in response to Edwin... or possibly site monitor...
what the heck are you talking about texas for? i don't get it.
Peoples Front of Judea @ 119:
Well, he did go to Oxford. Seriously.
Bin Laden's Oxford days
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1595205.stm
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DiggyG @ 122:
Because the site monitor can see your IP# and the location of the ISP you are using.
Orangutan. @ 121:
Which is an excellent response to DiggyG if you will allow me to borrow it.
If the media did a full court press on us sending aid to Iraq it would happen overnight. Bush has blown his credibility so even with the presses help he may not get to attack Iran. (At least i sincerely hope not.)
justabill @ 125:
which is in chicago...
truthfinder @ 53:
And tell the truthfinder ath 53 what he has won Robby.
Well Biff, for stating the reality of neocon agendas, he wins...
[Deleted, Clever Dick. You've posted here long enough to know the rules-Sitemonitor]
DiggyG @ 127:
Well, I believe you on that one, because I myself am in bfe KS and sometimes my location shows up as being in Seattle, and other times it's correct. I haven't figured that one out yet.
justabill @ 125:
But I'm in my housecoat and my makeup is a mess...
The Osama tapes are fake and it's been obvious for a long time.
jay @ 129:
No, you are mistaken entirely. See this comment above.
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jay @ 129:
That's a fallicious entailment. Just because the threat posed us by Osama bin Laden is hyped up and may not even be extant any longer does not mean that 9/11 HAD to be the work of the US government.
I'll be honest: you guys say some very interesting things. You speak when the government is silent. However, there is much in what you say that is little more than speculation. Some of us do not jump to such gross conclusions (and don't call me a sheep; I was almost convinced when I saw that "Loose Change" movie, but there's still not enough solid evidence to even suggest what you claim). Stop rubbing your guesses and conclusions in our faces until you have some real facts, and I do not mean vague "connections" you have drawn without any definite data.
DiggyG,
If you want an idea of what Cafferty thinks you might watch this: Home Heat or More War?
[Off topic. Take it to the open thread Sitemonitor]
Oops, i meant 2011.
xoites defends Constitution @ 136:
thanks.
honestly, i am not in a position to judge how democratic the US system is. it doesn't much matter though... the war had public support, and it certainly should not now become the rest of the world's problem.
i also think the judgement is still out on whether or not american's will benefit oil-wise from this investment of blood... i'm pretty sure i read that iraq was making major oil deals with china and russia (as is their right, of course)
ideally, something like what xoites defends the constitution suggested would occur: ie the US should hand over the reins to a UN force, but should pay for that force's operations. seems unlikely that anyone would agree to that though. other nato countries are reluctant to send their troops off to unnecessary wars, and i don't see american public opinion supporting spending money on disaster clean-up.
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I'm with you on that. If the U.N. is to step in, who pays. I think we should start with the Bush (crime) family fortune, and all his heirs and cronies.
I'm not American, protested the war from before it started, and have never supported it. I hope NO ONE has the nerve to say I should start paying for it now. Halliburton has lots of money. Let Blackwater pay up too. I'm sure we could come up with a big enough list of profiteers.
[at] 140 top half is block quote-- not me. I'm not talking to myself, (even though I do do that at home.)
Pull the money out of William Kristol's ass and every other Neo-Con
waste of flesh that wanted this war!
Give Bush 11 billion and tell him the other 35 is going for SCHEP .So we don`t have to raise the cigarette tax that all the wingers were bitching about for the last 3 weeks,
The 35 billion can be obtained from charitable contributions from rich guys who got monumental tax breaks for the last 7 yrs.He can also get big bucks from the thieving oil companies ( at least 11 billion from Exon Moble,9 billion from BP OIL;Texaco needs to fork in 10 billion more;and last but not least Cheveron Oil giving bach their 7 billion in tax relief.
We do this and we have both problems solved
So that` 36 billion;add Bush`s 11 which gives you 1 billionover the 45 billion needed.Give the extra billion to help the brain trauma wounded soldiers,as well as the soldiers with PTSD.Now that would be a good,fair plan.Why can`t we do this kind of stuff?
Oh, i like that idea!
Add the oil companies who's profits soared (and still do) while getting federal subsidies.
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I don't give a fuck that I have no healthcare!
I don't give a fuck that I have no Social Security pension!
I don't give a fuck that I can't get an education!
Because what I do have is invaluable to what we've given several other countries in this world, a whole lotta DEATH!
My taxes for LIFE or no taxes AT ALL!
WHY do people insist on being content with a foreign policy that exports death and destruction?
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What are the repugs doing with all that money? We know their AAP is shot. We know they steal. We know they give out no-bid contracts. We know they rebuild building they fucked up. We know chimpy gives truck loads of money away. We know chimpy's war is unwinnable. We know the poor are getting poorer. We know the United States is falling apart.
Don't give my money to chimpy's war. Let him get his money from barney and laura.
repugs fight chimpy's war by taking road trips
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Funding a war or funding healthcare
Humm...
"Both are a priority."
There can be only one #1 and one #2 priority.
Isn't it time for #2 or time to get off the can?
Impeachment is the solution!
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justabill @ 113:
Best damn Idea!
While were at it all the money that were stolen from the Venezuela country should be return from those in involve with the failed coup hiding in Florida. Not that Hugo needs it, but it burns me that they been living in Florida and that they may have participated trouble in that state with their ill gotten wealth. The way they polarize the Venezuelan people just seems so identical to the situation we have in this country.
war profitteers used to be given the death penalty.
tr @ 149:
Or were at least willing to establish prestigious peace prizes in Scandinavia.
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