GOP Debate: Appealing to the 24%ers

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After the Fox GOP debate in Orlando, Florida,  Frank "I test talking points for a living" Luntz was in charge of the "dial group" of reactionary Republican voters.  What a scary, angry bunch they were.  Clearly Hillary-hate is at an all-time high, based on their responses.  This one, I loved: 

I think people have very long memories and what it was like to live through that hell and I don’t think people want to go through that again. Nobody wants to revisit history in that context and going through Hillary Clinton is just nothing but socialism and communism.

Yeah, those eight years of peace and prosperity (with a budget surplus, no less) was just hell.  (/snark) Socialism and communism?  WTF??  I think it just shows how mindless the hate can be.

At the end, Frank threw his BFF Sean Hannity a bone by first letting the dial group trounce McCain and then allowing a handful of dial groupers talk about about how strong Rudy Giuliani is.



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I mean, seriously, why don't they just adopt the pomp and circumstance that the Nazis were so all about. They wouldn't lose a SINGLE member of their audience and it wouldn't change the minds of us who are already against their tactics. We see them that way as it is. You know, get some uniforms. You don't have to go with the Black, Red, White, Brown thing the Nazi's did so well, but c'mon...pull it together here folks. Take pride in your utter and complete stupidity, racism and bigotry.

Just look and listen to these hicks they had to scrounge up. These are FOX news loyalists... NO FACTS, NO SENSE, PURE DRIVEL.... oh yes, NO EDJACATION ....

If these folks had a hard time finding employment during the Clinton years, when we had a budget surplus and a booming economy, I can't even fathom what they must do for a living.... make bombs perhaps? They certainly WOULD be employed these days if they made bombs... perhaps they are all morticians? Your guess....

I like this comment:
"If Hillary is elected, she'll end America as we know it."

Good! Maybe we'll get some accountability back.

I think people have very long memories and what it was like to live through that hell and I don’t think people want to go through that again. Nobody wants to revisit history in that context and going through Hillary Clinton is just nothing but socialism and communism.

Yeah, those eight years of peace and prosperity (with a budget surplus, no less) was just hell. (/snark) Socialism and communism? WTF?? I think it just shows how mindless the hate can be.

Exactly! I long for those years of relative calm and bliss. The Bush43 years have been pure hell. I guess Republicants need something to rally around, and Clinton-Hate seems to do the trick for them.

to hell with them all

let's enlist Al Gore
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0Nnph3zkHNw

Aperturius @ 3:

I like this comment:
"If Hillary is elected, she'll end America as we know it."

Good! Maybe we'll get some accountability back.

Right. America as we know it now is not a desirable one.

I love when he's asking for opinions on the candidates he stops at Rudy. Clearly Mr. 9/11/24/7/365 is the Fox candidate.

So PRAVDA (FOX) held a love in for the Hate Group. Did anyone expect anything different from the American Nazi Party (that is, after all who they really are.) I was almost surprised to not see anyone wearing a sheet.

And all this Vitriol and hatred is spewing from the TheoCons. I find it very interesting that the group who supposedly follow the teachings of Jesus, would be so hateful.

They make me even prouder to be an Atheist.

In keeping with their targeting of kids inconvenient to their message, the loyal glassy eyed wingbots could always swoop down on 8 yr-old CamerynLee Orlowski, surviving daughter of Lance Cpl. Eric J. Orlowski (a Marine Corps reservist who was killed in "friendly fire" in Iraq) be the next target of Stalkin Malkin. Young CamerynLee could easily be the next kid those moral values, family first phonies wants hanged, tormented, or gone back in time and unconceived.

LANCASTER, N.Y. — CamerynLee was only 3 years old when her father, Lance Cpl. Eric J. Orlowski, a Marine Corps reservist, was killed in an accidental shooting during the first days of the Iraq war. Now 8, she is suddenly hungry for information about the man she remembers only in sketchy vignettes: Did he like chicken wings as much as she does? How about hockey? Was he funny? [...] (Old Enough Now to Ask How Dad Died at War, by By Lisa W. Foderaro, NY Times, Oct 21, 2007)

One can only hope that the Republicans remain this delusional and keep running this kind of campaign, using the overplayed terror card, screaming about the "tax and spend" Democrats and reminding people how "horrible" things were during the Clinton years. Yeah, I'll bet reminding people of the Clintons will get the voters really upset at the Dems as their mortgages soar, their children come home in body bags and gasoline goes up to $4.00 a gallon. Yes, that Luntz really has his finger on the pulse of America - well, maybe his middle finger up the ass of America, like the rest of the Republican Party does. But, of course, he probably has access to the "math". Now if only the Dems could find a spine, we could grind these neocon Christofascists into powder.

That room represents the lunatic fringe, the America destroying 24%.

That one mouth breathing Hayseed says "Hillary hasn't accomplished one thing" You mean like this? http://www.matrixmasters.com/world/usnews/bushresume.html

all of those people are stuck with their heads up their ass, PERIOD!!

I watched some of ths moron-fest. The GOP base is a total grease fire. I wonder if they had to weed out people who had gravy stains on their armpits.

these are the idiots the goper frontrunners are trying to get approval from...? the more the base loves them, the more the rest of the country fears and despises them. their pandering now will hurt them later.

the more the rest of the country sees of and hears from the 25%ers the better.

...the problem is, Dems have no spine...

the next DNC tv ad might as well be a school of jellyfish, floating in the tide.

These lunes are to easy to refute. I just saw on AOL say " GOPs debate to see if who is more conservative". Could you imagine how FoxNoise would spin it if said " Democrats debate to see who is more liberal. Who cares about the Repuke candidates. They cannot find one out of the whole bunch. All they can do is rehash old Clinton jokes. I dare any koolade drinker out there give one comdeian who is actually funny who is conservative. Just one.

Republicans are a bunch goofy bastards.

What a bunch of mindless tools

For all you Republicans desperate to find your newest daddy and savior here’s what you do. Get pictures of all the great candidates and put them in a circle. Then, take a crucifix or a fetus or a giant codpiece, depending on your specific branch of insanity and....

Spin it.

Vote for the idiot it points to.

Then sign your loyalty oath to that idiot.

i do not see any legitimate reason to watch anything frank duntz has to say. the fact that this man can make a living putting nicer words to evil deeds make me fear for my child. and after the past 7 years of getting pissed on and told it is raining, i do not suffer this fool well at all.

Why don't these folks just change their names to 'Unreasonable' Smith or 'Unhinged' Jones or 'Unthinking' Brown or whatever. Wow, you couldn't begin to have a straightforward, fact-based conversation with these sorts.

A Republican friend of mine surprised me a couple of months ago when he said, "I'd vote for Bill Clinton if he ran again."

What a bunch of buffoons.

Those are the type of folks that my mother always told me to be kind to because they don't know any better.

Frank Luntz is nothing more than a propagandist who was weaned at the tit of Goebbels. One can't help but wonder if he will follow the same career trajectory as that of his ideological guru.

I don't like Hillary, but it's because of her willing collusion with the corporate interests. If she wins, more of the same. Obama sounds like he's willing to neuter the corporate lobby.

But I guess I won't mind her so much as president knowing that these kinds of people will be driven absolutely insane. That, at the very least, is comforting.

The top tax rate under Ike was 91 percent. The top tax rate under Clinton was 40 but that is "communism" to these mouth-breathers

The "Hell" that voters seems to be referring to were the endless investigations and partisan sniping of the Republicans towards Bill Clinton. But in his fantasy world... the same one that remembers it as "Socialism"... that was the Democrats fault.

And if you follow his logic, we don't want a President Hillary because the GOP Attack machine will go bak into hyperdrive and expose Hillary for getting a blowjob.

Ha! Those are the republicans? Old to middle aged, out of touch, clueless, clearly disconnected from reality, never ventured beyond Newsmax. GOP Dead on Arrival indeed.

That second comment... ROTFLMAO!

"To her [Hillary], everything is 'The World', not the United States." OMFG.

Did you see him feeding answers to the crowd at the end of it? I've never seen anything like it. He feeds the line, nods his head up and down, the dopes in the audience start nodding along with him and eventually "enthusiastically" agree with his comment.

I mean, it's fucking retarded is what it is. If you didn't understand push-polling before, you should now.

Just laughable!! Nobody watched the ignorant rantings, lies of the Reslugs spitting out hate and proving they're total uneducated fools anyway.

Are these people living in a vacuum? Uninformed, delusional, willing to vote against their own interests.........oh right...Fox News viewers...that explains everything!

The REFUGLICANS are a blight.

If I didn't love America so much, these scum-sucking oxygen-thieves would make me hate America. So happy I just got my vanity plate from the motor vehicles dept -- H8DGOP.

More pale and pudgy males from the Lunatic Fringe.

On one hand, this may give the Democratic Party some pause to nominate Hillary. The last thing this republic needs is a resuscitation of the Clinton Industry.

On the other hand, I would suggest feeding these 24%ers to lions in Giants Stadium.

Pay per view.

I found Huckleberry's comment a trifle offensive about, if you think Social Security is a disaster just wait until all these aging hippies discover they get free drugs!

The whole debate theme was about bashing Hillary. They seemed too chicken shit to discuss the war and all the mountain of other important things and instead decided to beat up on the female.

Yeah, the Clinton years were hell for the Clintons as the right wing went after them on every damned thing they had done in their lives. In the end they found nothing on them except Bill's moments with Monica. Meanwhile the rest of us were living in relative peace and prosperity. Whew, I bet no one wants to live like that again. Oh wait, I sure do!

I can just imagine where they got this crew of knuckle draggers. And I love how they think these half-wits can provide some kind of indication as to what actual humans think.

Viva Hillary!

Ah, yes. The Zero of 9/11.

"Hey, everybody. Better run uptown . . . and fast!"

will someone please remind these socialism/commie fear mongerers that under w's alleged administration, communist china has become the leading importer to america. everyone of those hillary hating morons can't wait to run off to walmart to buy some useless dirt cheap trash for about 50 cents less than they can get it at the local mom and pop store (if it still exists).

The Carpenter @ 1:

I mean, seriously, why don't they just adopt the pomp and circumstance that the Nazis were so all about. They wouldn't lose a SINGLE member of their audience and it wouldn't change the minds of us who are already against their tactics. We see them that way as it is. You know, get some uniforms. You don't have to go with the Black, Red, White, Brown thing the Nazi's did so well, but c'mon...pull it together here folks. Take pride in your utter and complete stupidity, racism and bigotry.

But you have to admit the all-black SS uniform looked pretty sharp ...

/sarcasm

These bitter freaktards would prefer a nuclear-wasteland chaos under a Reagan-worshipping ninny than be led to a better world by a sane person who doesn't scream about black welfare cheats and Cadillacs, bombing some Ay-rabs, and teh gayz are gonna gitcha!!

Dave @ 12:

all of those people are stuck with their heads up their ass, PERIOD!!

Oh you mean like this !?!

Who can trust a man who hasn't even poll-tested his toupee? I am sure the average answer would be : "Looks like a ferret, smells like a Chinese restaurant."

FL-Frank Luntz=Fu*king Loser?

-GSD

These same rightwing puds have been hyper-ventillating about "Bush haters" for 7 years.

Now it is OK to hate Hillary.

-GSD

That second comment:

"Hillary Clinton does not have American values. She doesn't have the United States in mind when she thinks, oh, The Global Community. To her, everything's The World and not the United States."

Translation: "Hillary is not a narcissistic Nationalists! Boo! She thinks about our place on the world stage first instead of bullying the rest of the world. Boo! Sounds as bad as that guy who talked about "a kinder, gentler foreign policy" eight years ago. Boo! Who wants that???"

Pete Bogs @ 6:

Aperturius @ 3:

I like this comment:
"If Hillary is elected, she'll end America as we know it."

Good! Maybe we'll get some accountability back.

Right. America as we know it now is not a desirable one.

Agreed completely. The America we know today is *NOT* the America our Founders wanted. I'd be damn happy to see 'this' America fall apart, so we can get back to working on the 'real' America.

If there was any question as to which Democrat could best motivate Republicans to the polls, wonder no longer.

going through Hillary Clinton is just nothing but socialism and communism.

Spoken like a true uneducated, unhinged, and anti-intelligence reich-winger.

Dom @ 10:

One can only hope that the Republicans remain this delusional and keep running this kind of campaign, using the overplayed terror card, screaming about the "tax and spend" Democrats and reminding people how "horrible" things were during the Clinton years. Yeah, I'll bet reminding people of the Clintons will get the voters really upset at the Dems as their mortgages soar, their children come home in body bags and gasoline goes up to $4.00 a gallon. Yes, that Luntz really has his finger on the pulse of America - well, maybe his middle finger up the ass of America, like the rest of the Republican Party does. But, of course, he probably has access to the "math". Now if only the Dems could find a spine, we could grind these neocon Christofascists into powder.

We'd better not do the powder thing. Limbaugh would just snort them back up.

Good. Get behind Rudy, ya paranoid crackers. Then the fundamentalist crackers will take their snakes and go home -- and the big tent goes up in smoke.

This are people who are part of the teensy minority who buy every talking point rehashed by Fox and spewed by OLIELY and INSANITY...just laughable, the truly mentally ill comments these morons make.

Repub=Critical Thinker

Frank Luntz and his bullshit push polling is so 1991 --- anyone else remember him and Gingrich and their campaign to divide the nation by telling their followers to ALWAYS refer to their opponent with negative connotations ALWAYS... (example: "my Democratic opponent is a "libruul" and "corrupt" or some kind of bullshit like that)

This began this 18 year campaign of divide and conquer that has culminated with this DANGEROUS moron puppet as president and the more dangerous war-monger Cheney. The Iraq war is nothing but a giant piggy bank to these conservatives... a perfect excuse to raid the treasury and bleed it dry. The Republican scandals revolving around this war will be with us for decades.

BTW... Frank Luntz... we know you and your flunkies read these blogs so here is a little bit of free advice. DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT AWFUL TOUPEE THAT YOU WEAR! It looks totally fake an is not fooling anyone. (and get on a stair master while you are at it).

I think people have very long memories and what it was like to live through that hell and I don’t think people want to go through that again. Nobody wants to revisit history in that context and going through Hillary Clinton is just nothing but socialism and communism.

That line came from a Freeper who was in attendance...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1914464/posts

Track record? Unless Giuliani is a sub-5 runner, I'm at a loss...

I can't believe these people are for real - I bet they are paid shills, at least the ones who spoke up. Does anyone recognize any of these people? Is there a way to check to see if they got paid the the evening and then let us all know?

It wouldn't be like what they did to that 12 year old boy after all they are adults and maybe got paid to go on national television and pretend that the world hates Hillary Clinton. What is they said about the kid he put himself out there he was fair game, just like our undercover agents.

They are going after Hillary to legitimize her.

If they go on a full press attack against her, then the media will focus on her. The other Dem candidates won't get the same media exposure.

Karl Rove did the same thing to keep the media from covering John Edwards. He felt he could beat Kerry so campaigned against him.

This tactic of misdirection is very Sun Tzu.

jafari @ 57:

Track record? Unless Giuliani is a sub-5 runner, I'm at a loss...

I like they meant tranny record.

Dom @ 10:

One can only hope that the Republicans remain this delusional and keep running this kind of campaign, using the overplayed terror card, screaming about the "tax and spend" Democrats and reminding people how "horrible" things were during the Clinton years. Yeah, I'll bet reminding people of the Clintons will get the voters really upset at the Dems as their mortgages soar, their children come home in body bags and gasoline goes up to $4.00 a gallon. Yes, that Luntz really has his finger on the pulse of America - well, maybe his middle finger up the ass of America, like the rest of the Republican Party does. But, of course, he probably has access to the "math". Now if only the Dems could find a spine, we could grind these neocon Christofascists into powder.

I'm not so sure the Dems are capable of calling these shitweasels out for what they are. And even when they do, it doesn't really get picked up by the press. The good news is that the "Christian" "right" are pissed at the republicans. Hopefully, they'll find a Nader to vote for. This 24% group are just a bunch of ditto-heads who wouldn't admit how wrong they are if their lives depended on it. They're kind of like middle school kids who are trying to deflect attention from their own misdeeds by howling about what someone else supposedly did.

We nee Giuliani:
Giuliani performed 210 weddings when mayor of NYC, and they were all men and women. Not a dog or a dolphin among them.
Giuliani will either stretch NATO around the globe to include Austalia and Japan, or he will rearrange the globe.
Ron Paul is lamenting that "all of a sudden 'we' have accepted the Democrats' position on foreign policy, on entitlements, on deficits, I mean, we have lost our way ...."

We need these people!!!! For what? - To laugh at? to perform weddings? to rework geography?
But Ron Paul seems delusional

Bad Chicklets O'Bierne said something to same effect on MTP Sunday - "No one wants to go back to the horrors of the 1990s."

This is how delusional these people are -- the '90s sucked, but the last seven years have been all ice cream and pie.

And I guess it goes without mentioning that they are, once again, running on the platform of "Don't vote for the other guy otherwise the world will end!" instead of offering real solutions for actual problems (which, of course, they have none, as a group they have no problem in the continuation of the policies that got us into this mess to begin with).

Please America, see through this bullshit.

They just spew back what they are told on the radio by the propaganda machine. In America people learn it very early in school, just repeat back what you are told and you are "good" ask questions that challenge what you are being told and you are "bad". We produce mindless little drones unable and unwilling to research, think, or reason, in other words republicans.

I think people have very long memories and what it was like to live through that hell and I don’t think people want to go through that again. Nobody wants to revisit history in that context and going through Hillary Clinton is just nothing but socialism and communism.

I agree that the hell of the GWB administration is well documented. Using the buzzwords of socialism and communism is a blatant tip of the hand. This person obviously is a blank slate for Limbaugh and Hannity to draw upon. They probably have no idea what the actual definitions of those words are. Anyone who flies the flag of morals and values, but in the same time declares socialism as some kind of evil, isn't very well educated. And communism? Puhlease. That is so 80's. I won't even get into my whole rant about how communism was so bastardized by Lenin and Stalin that it has never really existed. Nor will I make the point that the bastardized version had no intention of anything remotely resembling true socialism.

And this person obviously lacks an understanding of what facism is too.

The only reason sean hannity supports Rudy is because he's the front runner. sean can never admit he's wrong or that he's on the losing side.

Weaseldog @ 59:

They are going after Hillary to legitimize her.

If they go on a full press attack against her, then the media will focus on her. The other Dem candidates won't get the same media exposure.

Karl Rove did the same thing to keep the media from covering John Edwards. He felt he could beat Kerry so campaigned against him.

This tactic of misdirection is very Sun Tzu.

It would be very Sun Tsu if it were true, WD. But she is so far ahead of every contender in every poll for the Dem nomination that it's hardly worth the effort talking about anyone else.

Obama and Edwards barely even challenge her- neither will Gore. That's your democracy at work.

Yes, those audience members somehow captured the essence, even the zeitgeist of today's Repub party. Should someone tell these people that using lead additives in their food is not really a great idea? Or chewing up mercury thermometers?

I watched this circus last night It was an unbelievable Regan SUCKFEST. Regans name was mentioned every other minute and hillary Clinton was thouroghly bashed all night (but I'm OK with that). These clowns must not know that Regan was the worst president this country ever had until Dubya came along. Following the debate the trashing continued on a Hannity & Combs debate special. Hannity sent us over to Frank Luntz a neo-con & well known Hannity Suck-Ass to discuss who were the winners and losers of the debate with some hand/nose picked faux news hardliners . For the next ten minutes Luntz asked these twits to give opinions of the debate and all they could come up with is how Hillary Clinton sucks. Not even a mention of a republican candidates name. It was as if they all had just watched hillary Clinton give a speech instead of a Republican debate. The best thing that happened all night was when Ron Paul won their poll by a landslide! He got 34%, Huckabee was second with 26% followed by the big two.... Ghouliani and Dumbney at 11% and 10% respectively. The MSM has been trying to marginalize candidates such as Dr. Paul, Dennis Kucinich and Chris Dodd for months giving them limited time to talk and ignoring Them in all their polls. I think quite frankly they scare the crap out of corporate America, talking all that garbage about the constitution and accountability. That just makes it all so much sweeter when one of them wins these polls. Faux News set this up so you could only text message your vote. That gave them total control and stopped people from voting more than once. They also did not allow any internet participation probably for the same reason. With this manuvering they must have figured that Ghouliani, Dumbney, and Lurch Thompson would have the odds stacked in their favor. Guess what, Ron Paul still Whacked them. It was great watching bully boy Hannity squirm while the results were being read. He even made Alan Combs announce the winners because of the taste it must have left in his mouth. He then retorted some lame drivel about how the Ron Paul supporters had flooded the lines and how he didn't put much stock in these polls anyway. Yeah Right!! If his lackeys had led the polling he would have been crowing like a rooster.
Sometimes watching Faux can actually be entertaining

Good Lord that clip was scary to watch. I know 8 year olds that have better reasoning and cognitive skills. It saddens me however, to think that 24% are so hate-filled that they are beyond logic or reason. That's a huge percentage of the population. No wonder our once great country is in decline. I wonder what those men of the Enlightenment, Adams, Jefferson, and Franklin would make of these fine Americans. Maybe universal suffrage isn't such a good idea.

ckerst @ 63:

They just spew back what they are told on the radio by the propaganda machine. In America people learn it very early in school, just repeat back what you are told and you are "good" ask questions that challenge what you are being told and you are "bad". We produce mindless little drones unable and unwilling to research, think, or reason, in other words republicans.

We tend to stereotype the nitwits of the reich-wing, but after watching these morons spew their hate and stupidity it is VERY clear that the reich-wing base is comprised of the lowest common denominator of society. I actually was embarrassed just listening to the anti-intellect crowd.

dennis @ 65:

Weaseldog @ 59:

They are going after Hillary to legitimize her.

If they go on a full press attack against her, then the media will focus on her. The other Dem candidates won't get the same media exposure.

Karl Rove did the same thing to keep the media from covering John Edwards. He felt he could beat Kerry so campaigned against him.

This tactic of misdirection is very Sun Tzu.

It would be very Sun Tsu if it were true, WD. But she is so far ahead of every contender in every poll for the Dem nomination that it's hardly worth the effort talking about anyone else.

Obama and Edwards barely even challenge her- neither will Gore. That's your democracy at work.

Did Rush and Sean take a break from blasting the Clintons this year? Not that I noticed.

The Republicans want Hillary to run against their candidate. The nation will be strongly divided and the hate and rhetoric will be likely something we have never seen before.

If Hillary is in the final running, it will galvanize the Republican base.

EEk, Holloween is next week, why do you have to start with the horror movies/shows? This is scary man.

dennis @ 65:

Weaseldog @ 59:

They are going after Hillary to legitimize her.

If they go on a full press attack against her, then the media will focus on her. The other Dem candidates won't get the same media exposure.

Karl Rove did the same thing to keep the media from covering John Edwards. He felt he could beat Kerry so campaigned against him.

This tactic of misdirection is very Sun Tzu.

It would be very Sun Tsu if it were true, WD. But she is so far ahead of every contender in every poll for the Dem nomination that it's hardly worth the effort talking about anyone else.

Obama and Edwards barely even challenge her- neither will Gore. That's your democracy at work.

Sun Tzu never advocated quitting when you're winning. Success doesn't prove that a campaign is failing.

Yes, Giuliani has a track record. Do these knuckledraggers have a clue what kind of track record he has? Do they fall for everything Faux tells them about Giuliani?

What am I saying. Well, duh, of course they do. Now I'M asking the stupid questions.

These people look to elect dumb fuckups, so they can feel better about themselves.

Otay @ 73:

Yes, Giuliani has a track record. Do these knuckledraggers have a clue what kind of track record he has? Do they fall for everything Faux tells them about Giuliani?

What am I saying. Well, duh, of course they do. Now I'M asking the stupid questions.

These people look to elect dumb fuckups, so they can feel better about themselves.

Guiliani has a track record as the mayor who's city was attacked on 9/11.

Our own Governor Rick Perry says this why he is endorsing Mr. 9/11.

My favorite remark was, "Whenever I think of Hillary all I can see is my taxes going up".

I am no big fan of Hillary, quite frankly she's too much of a republocrat for my taste. But if she takes the tax burden off the regular folks, more power to her. Someone besides the poor folks have to pay taxes in this country. The United States, supposedly the richest country in the world, has more people living at or below poverty, has more homeless and more people in prison than any other country in the world. All of our wealth is being concentrated into a small elite group who have nothing better to do than tell other people how they should live and can't make up their minds whether to dive the beemer, bentley or the porsche today.

I watched part of the conference and it was flat out creepy...it also made me angry.

I've said it before and will say it again...with the USA being a melting pot of ethnic diversity, religious beliefs "or" non religious" beliefs , running on a platform of moral superiority is "toxic"...it invites hate and divides the country even more than it is...

I live this first hand as my evangelical mother in law is basically attempting to turn my two and one half year old son into a fundie on top of condemning me for being liberal on many issues. She has him singing Bible songs already and as i took a bite of my pizza my kid yelled at me that I didn't pray...needless to say we have had some family battles over this cause I don't take her sheet.

Two years ago she told me I was going to hell because she was blaming Jane Fonda for our troops getting killed and I said that it was absurd to say that... In summation they are religious "bullies'....

Since my mother in law shoved her moral superiority into our life...I've stopped going to church, a place I used to enjoy going
to and keep my faith to myself.

"I think people have very long memories and what it was like to live through that hell and I don’t think people want to go through that again. Nobody wants to revisit history in that context and going through Hillary Clinton is just nothing but socialism and communism."

WOW!!!!!

War is not HELL??!!??!!??

These people scare me!!!!

Weaseldog @ 74:

Otay @ 73:

Yes, Giuliani has a track record. Do these knuckledraggers have a clue what kind of track record he has? Do they fall for everything Faux tells them about Giuliani?

What am I saying. Well, duh, of course they do. Now I'M asking the stupid questions.

These people look to elect dumb fuckups, so they can feel better about themselves.

Guiliani has a track record as the mayor who's city was attacked on 9/11.

Our own Governor Rick Perry says this why he is endorsing Mr. 9/11.

He has at least 3 strikes against him, if you also count the faulty radios and headquarters in the WTC. I could go on, but 3 should be enough to put him out of the running...

If we didn't live in a country which worships incompetence.

Andy @ 76:

I watched part of the conference and it was flat out creepy...it also made me angry.

I've said it before and will say it again...with the USA being a melting pot of ethnic diversity, religious beliefs "or" non religious" beliefs , running on a platform of moral superiority is "toxic"...it invites hate and divides the country even more than it is...

I live this first hand as my evangelical mother in law is basically attempting to turn my two and one half year old son into a fundie on top of condemning me for being liberal on many issues. She has him singing Bible songs already and as i took a bite of my pizza my kid yelled at me that I didn't pray...needless to say we have had some family battles over this cause I don't take her sheet.

Two years ago she told me I was going to hell because she was blaming Jane Fonda for our troops getting killed and I said that it was absurd to say that... In summation they are religious "bullies'....

Since my mother in law shoved her moral superiority into our life...I've stopped going to church, a place I used to enjoy going
to and keep my faith to myself.

Jesus us taught us that any place that we pray in, is a temple. The Cathars, an early Christian sect, had books of the New Testament available to them, that the Catholic Church destroyed. They held services in homes and woodland glens. Wherever people gathered they found Jesus. They also believed that tithing was unnecessary, as God didn't need cathedrals and all of the managerial expenses that went with it.

Worse still, the Cathars didn't believe that money and worship were compatible at all. When they preached, they were paid in meals and clothing.

Is it no wonder the were tortured and slaughtered as witches?

Everytime a repug candidate slams Hillary, a shillary voter is born.

they are all closeted gay men. every one.

don't think so? prove they're not.

they don't like women: they hire gay men(larry craig, jeff guckert), have sex with them,then bash them. they love, and I mean love Reagan, a man.

Monica @ 77:

"I think people have very long memories and what it was like to live through that hell and I don’t think people want to go through that again. Nobody wants to revisit history in that context and going through Hillary Clinton is just nothing but socialism and communism."

WOW!!!!!

War is not HELL??!!??!!??

These people scare me!!!!

You must have forgotten the decade of communism under Bill Clinton.

Look what w and gop have done to this country for Ron Paul to have to introduce this bill:

“This legislation seeks to restore the checks and balances enshrined in the Constitution by our Founding Fathers to prevent abuse of Americans by their government. This proposed legislation would repeal the Military Commissions Act of 2006 and re-establish the traditional practice that military commissions may be used to try war crimes in places of active hostility where a rapid trial is necessary to preserve evidence or prevent chaos.

The legislation clarifies that no information shall be admitted as evidence if it is obtained from the defendant through the use of torture or coercion. It codifies the FISA process as the means by which foreign intelligence may be obtained and it gives members of the Senate and the House of Representatives standing in court to challenge presidential signing statements that declares the president’s intent to disregard certain aspects of a law passed in the U.S. Congress. It prohibits kidnapping and extraordinary rendition of prisoners to foreign countries on the president’s unilateral determination that the suspect is an enemy combatant. It defends the first amendment by clarifying that journalists are not to be prevented from publishing information received from the legislative or executive branch unless such publication would cause immediate, direct, and irreparable harm to the United States.

Finally, the legislation would prohibit the use of secret evidence to designate an individual or organization with a United States presence to be a foreign terrorist or foreign terrorist organization”

The Clintons never did this kind of crap.

the track record? ... broken radios, dead firemen, criminal associates ... nice one rudy, make em love ya!

How come this site never mentions Ron Paul. This and the Huff Post. They never mention him. I thought he had an excellent debate. It is clear that he will be the Republican choice. The momentum is overwhelming. Hillary is a warmonger. I don't get why the left would vote for her

[He's been mentioned here. Use the search box-Sitemonitor]

Monica @ 77:

"I think people have very long memories and what it was like to live through that hell and I don’t think people want to go through that again. Nobody wants to revisit history in that context and going through Hillary Clinton is just nothing but socialism and communism."

WOW!!!!!

War is not HELL??!!??!!??

These people scare me!!!!

The little reich-wing coward couldn't even look lutzy in the eyes when "he" made "his" little "socialism and communism" remark. "He" was looking straight down at the desk with a stupid reich-wing smirk on his face. What a typical coward. All hat, no cowboy...another cowardly chickenhawk.

THEY ARE A CULT plain and simple. Does that sound extreme? Go read about cults and see for yourself!

Adherents who become increasingly dependent on the movement for their view on reality;
Important decisions in the lives of the adherents are made by others;
Making sharp distinctions between us and them, divine and satanic, good and evil, etc. that are not open for discussion;
Leader who claim divine authority for their deeds and for their orders to their followers;
Leader and movements who are unequivocally focused on achieving a certain goal.
The organization is willing to place itself above the law. This is probably the most important characteristic.
The leader sets forth ethical guidelines members must follow but from which the leader is exempt
The group is preparing to fight a literal, physical Armageddon against other human beings;
The leader regularly makes public assertions that he or she knows is false and/or the group has a policy of routinely deceiving outsiders.

James R. Lewis

joecitizen @ 25:

I don't like Hillary, but it's because of her willing collusion with the corporate interests. If she wins, more of the same. Obama sounds like he's willing to neuter the corporate lobby.

But I guess I won't mind her so much as president knowing that these kinds of people will be driven absolutely insane. That, at the very least, is comforting.

dont fret, if hillery gets elected we wont even know bush lost!

sorry the repigs

The fundies are pro life and love war....well..MSNBC is reporting a soldier who just returned from Iraq found his child dead in the crib....

dieboldcracy @ 85:

How come this site never mentions Ron Paul. This and the Huff Post. They never mention him. I thought he had an excellent debate. It is clear that he will be the Republican choice. The momentum is overwhelming. Hillary is a warmonger. I don't get why the left would vote for her

Probably because the folks running this site are Democrats.

Many worry that his views are still, too far to the right to support.

I do not believe that Ron Paul will survive the primaries.

5 out of 30 people held up a hand for Rudy having "won the debate", and Luntz talks about nobody else but Giuliani, and then summarizes by saying "Rudy Giuliani definitely benefited from tonight's debate. Very clearly."

Talk about stretching reality for the sake of push-polling.

need i remind you bill clinton got nafta passed allowing the industerial corporations to send our jobs to mexico, then china , he golfs with the big kahuna george bush senior , the clintons go on picknics with the bushes and babs calls bill her son , sure we pretty much had peace and prosperity for 8 yrs ,bill built up the old bank account of am,erica just so the bush blood suckers could give all the surplusses to the rich, and old bill got setup for blackmail by the repigs with a well deserved blowjob and a properly preserved cum stained blue dress!

My only question is: How did those women get into the men's restroom? I mean, isn't that where most of the Bush supporters go to meet?

Such fair and balanced coverage.

"If Hillary is elected she'll end America as we know it."

We can only hope.

From seeing this I did not get a feeling of broad thinkers. It could be the group that was chosen. They really reminded me of the term 'sheeple'.

It really sucked when that damn communist stock market was doing so well under that damn communist Bill Clinton.

jafari @ 57:

Track record? Unless Giuliani is a sub-5 runner, I'm at a loss...

Hey he was 'THE MAYOR'. Bernard Kerik can give him a glowing recommendation.

Looks like the "live" studio audience of the Rush Limbaugh Show during that dark, HELLish time.

Why can't Hannity, Luntz, and the rest of the Fox cultists just give Guiliani a cake or a new evening gown instead of rewarding him a presidency for being in NYC on 9-11?

A simple thank-you card would suffice, not a presidential nomination. ..think smaller, assholes.

Not one relevant brain cell in that group. Every word uttered emanated from a hate radio talking point.

Dems: socialist, communist
Reps: fascist nazi warmongers

and the lesser of 2 evils is which?
Time for REVOLUTION.

Clinton has done nothing . . . but I guess Bush was accomplished before become preznit.

McCain didn't "sell" himself well enough. Luntz must have loved that comment. Substance is irrelevent. Back to mall with you Marge.

What an awful display of ignorance.

"There just wasn't enough salesman-celebrity in any of them. We need someone who can act. Not as in action, but as in pretend."

pissed off patricia @ 37:

Yeah, the Clinton years were hell for the Clintons

Nah, think of it from HIS (the commenters') point of view:

Bill Clinton MADE THEM investigate him for eight years, and electing Hillary would force them to put themselves through that hell all over again. Damn those evil Clinton's!

Rusty Shackleford @ 98:

It really sucked when that damn communist stock market was doing so well under that damn communist Bill Clinton.

Yeah, that filthy free market capitalism aspect of communism really prospered under Clinton. ;)

Hillary hate also allows them to 'play to their base' without making any promises that they'll have to follow through on.

These 24%ers are the most selfish, racist, abusive, insencere people on earth. It is more to do with malignance than with mindlessness.

The GOP are HOPELESSLY DISCONNECTED. They stand ZERO chance of winning the presidency, or majority ni ANY Governmental office outside of a localized town run-off somewhere ni the deep DEEEEEP south. I have honestly NEVER seen such a group of LOSERS vying for office IN MY LIFE (save perhaps Ron Paul) ... and folks, I am as old as the hills!

lucid fiction @ 103:

Dems: socialist, communist
Reps: fascist nazi warmongers

and the lesser of 2 evils is which?
Time for REVOLUTION.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf-Q2rDd6Tw

Socialism and Communism! So True. And by "true", I mean untrue... and by "untrue", I mean, you're an imbecile who probably reads at 3rd grade level. Not advanced 3rd grade, but standard 3rd grade.

This ranting and raving for power, there must be some reason for it. I mean were they bullied at school and I bet they had to wear shorts right up to their final year.

Goebels would have been so proud of Fox news.

Even he couldnt have made up the shite they do and get away with it

I want to know who is the has the widest stance in the mens room

A FAUX news 'fair and balanced' panel of 'ditto heads'.

marcos @ 112:

Socialism and Communism! So True. And by "true", I mean untrue... and by "untrue", I mean, you're an imbecile who probably reads at 3rd grade level. Not advanced 3rd grade, but standard 3rd grade.

Then Billo's new book would be a perfect Holid...I mean Christmas present for him.

There wasn't one "snarky puss" in that whole crowd that I would want to live next door to. Worried about "America first"....."keep your hands off MY MONEY"....that's what resonates to these baboons. It's ALL about "me". Pathetic excuses for human beings.

We have to make this Democratic primary about more than Hillary. Please, oh please, do NOT let her get the nomination. I don't want to listen to a full year of Clinton bashing all over again. So much bullshit. They are like broken records with twisted facts. They just love to hate.

Bush has been a disaster, the country is much worse shape than when he took over. Having said that, does everyone not realize how much NAFTA, the Telecommunications Bill and Clinton's economic team, the Wall Street brain trust around Rubin, has to do with our problems? Clinton in many ways was forced to adopt the Rubin/Greenspan economic policies (after running on, what I've read, a relatively populist platform, and those policies have destroyed the country). I understand what most of you are saying but don't sugar coat what Clinton did. You also shouldn't expect maricles with the people that Clinton and Obama are assembling around themselves. No problems will be SOLVED with either candidate, I'm guess just enough will be done to fend off calls for more fundamental change.

First in line to the F.E.M.A. camps....
Good luck folks!
BTW....Ron Paul won the text vote...34%..and you can't vote twice!
Hannity cried like a little girl...boo hoo.

Looks like a room full of idiots and "know nothing". I take one Clinton over a thousen Bushes. These are the idiots that got us where we are today.

lucid fiction @ 105:

Dems: socialist, communist
Reps: fascist nazi warmongers

and the lesser of 2 evils is which?
Time for REVOLUTION.

lets camp out while were doing it!im game!

They would have gotten better answers from a room full of chimps.

HulksHeroes @ 120:

There wasn't one "snarky puss" in that whole crowd that I would want to live next door to. Worried about "America first"....."keep your hands off MY MONEY"....that's what resonates to these baboons. It's ALL about "me". Pathetic excuses for human beings.

We have to make this Democratic primary about more than Hillary. Please, oh please, do NOT let her get the nomination. I don't want to listen to a full year of Clinton bashing all over again. So much bullshit. They are like broken records with twisted facts. They just love to hate.

its so true , hillerys going to draw more disalushioned repukes back to the voteing boots even if they cant fix the next election ,wich is a sure bet , all your going to hear on the rig news is whitewater bills neat cigars and monicas great blowjob caper blue dresses higher taxes , shrill laughing bitch , but it dont matter hillerys a gold water republican , thiers not an ounce of democratic blood in her entire body,

I guess it's too obvious to point out that socialism and communism are two different political theories? Nevermind....I don't want to confuse the mouth breathers.

Reslugs in serious denial.

yo @ 121:

Bush has been a disaster, the country is much worse shape than when he took over. Having said that, does everyone not realize how much NAFTA, the Telecommunications Bill and Clinton's economic team, the Wall Street brain trust around Rubin, has to do with our problems? Clinton in many ways was forced to adopt the Rubin/Greenspan economic policies (after running on, what I've read, a relatively populist platform, and those policies have destroyed the country). I understand what most of you are saying but don't sugar coat what Clinton did. You also shouldn't expect maricles with the people that Clinton and Obama are assembling around themselves. No problems will be SOLVED with either candidate, I'm guess just enough will be done to fend off calls for more fundamental change.

Good luck trying to communicate with a bunch of ignoramuses whose entire world view is seen through the skewed prism of political party loyalty. Where people get these bizarre ideas that the same corporate interests do not control both parties I have no idea.

As you hint at, there is no real difference between the economic policies of the Republican and Democratic parties. They adhere tightly to the same monetary and credit policies. Greenspam was at the helm for eighteen years after all. And the leadership of both parties are squarely in the neo-liberal "free market" (read WTO, World Bank, IMF, GATT, NAFTA) camp, intent on continuing policies that hollow out our economy and (according to Warren Buffet) transfer 1% of our wealth every year overseas.

What was accomplished economically under Clinton? The country went another $8.5 trillion into hawk under Clinton (despite the myth of federal budget surpluses, the federal debt grew every year under Clinton, and the level of private debt grew even faster) and the largest asset bubbles in world history were spawned. The Clinton administration found innovative ways to further distort the already bogus GDP, inflation and employment stats in order to understate inflation and overstate real (inflation adjusted) economic growth and employment. The gap between the wealthiest and poorest in society continued to widen.

What else did the Clinton administration accomplish? The expansion of War on Some Drugs? The first of the "anti-terrorism" police state legislation (after OKC bombing)? The mass murder of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, most of them children, under the U.S. enforced economic sanctioned?

“We know that the gold that the devil gives his paramours turns to excrement after his departure.”
--Sigmund Freud

tyree @ 90:

joecitizen @ 25:

I don't like Hillary, but it's because of her willing collusion with the corporate interests. If she wins, more of the same. Obama sounds like he's willing to neuter the corporate lobby.

But I guess I won't mind her so much as president knowing that these kinds of people will be driven absolutely insane. That, at the very least, is comforting.

dont fret, if hillery gets elected we wont even know bush lost!

If Hillary gets elected- good grief, you think the media sphere is polluted now, wait until they really get going with around-the-clock Hillary Hate.

Eight years of peace, prosperity, budget surpluses, healthcare reform, respect and credibility for the U.S. in the world, and a large scale war fought and won by the U.S. (using both force AND diplomacy) without a single U.S. casualty, resulting in a stop to the civil war in former Yugoslavia, with subsequent stabilization of the country by NATO forces.

I can't imagine what 'hell' he's referring to. OH! He must be referring to the lack of a ban on teaching evolution in schools, a ban on the sale of assault rifles to the general public, BJs in the Oval Office, and no compulsory ten commandments on the wall of Congress. Yeah, that was definitely HELL alright...

Frank, totally right. I think the belief that things will change with candidates like Clinton comes from a couple of centuries of representative government. We, the people, can't handle our society by ourself, we need to give up our power to elected representatives who will create laws, interpret and execuate laws for us. Within that check, by whom since they all belong to the same group of people roughly, whatever economic system THEY chose I must operate in. Whatever irrational, idiotic law they create I must obey. Whater unwarranted power they give to corporations over my life, I must accept it. Whatever the majority of us want is irrelavent, they're smarter than us and that's that. If Clinton is the nominee I'm sorry but I'm voting 3rd party, if at all. This isn't one party Soviet Russia, officially. If the choices by the parties who control the networks, the government and the economic system (well who controls it controls the parties) offer up two choices of garbage, I'll vote for someone else or not at all, at least knowing that I'm not helping put my own dis-empowerment into place.

I call this the GOP Holloween debate.

They all have their costumes on pretending they are Americans. And we all need to have the same costume as them.

Typical cookie cutter neo-con haters,

Why don't they ask them who is closest in character to Geroge Bush.????????

So why don't stupid democrats use the same bullshit and just keep referring to Bush/Republicans as fascist/dictatorship party? ie:

I think people have very long memories and what it was like to live through that hell and I don’t think people want to go through that again. Nobody wants to revisit history in that context and going through #insert Repub candidate here# is just nothing but more fascism and dictatorship.

Follow up with shit like

"they dont want to protect America, they simply want to keep taking away your freedom under the guise of security to reinforce their fascist dictatorship. If they really did want to protect America we wouldnt have porous borders and 90% of shipping containers unchecked. If this doesn't prove they don't care about Americas security, I don't know what does"

Who in their right mind thinks Obama is going to challenge corporate power? Mark Rubin, the brains behind the "centrist" Clinton economic platform, is on Obama's team. Obama has surrounded himself with Wall Street economists and bond trader wizards. If you agree with the bond trader platform then fine, if not don't kid yourself. If the Democrats think the left of (Friedman) "liberal platform is a sure loser and you're in the category don't vote for them. See how well they do without the left. If you go for a third party I'd recommend getting involved with the candidate of that party and become active. Citizen particiaption, not a remote possibility in either major party, is the only hope this country has.

1st speaker: 8 years of prosperity, surplus and peace = hell.

2nd speaker: OMFG it's Ned Flanders and he's a nationalist!

3rd speaker: Hasn't been awake for the past decade.

4th speaker: Read my lips...

5th speaker: The end is nigh!

6th speaker: I like the sound of my voice.

and so on and so forth...

Dom @ 10:

One can only hope that the Republicans remain this delusional and keep running this kind of campaign, using the overplayed terror card, screaming about the "tax and spend" Democrats and reminding people how "horrible" things were during the Clinton years. Yeah, I'll bet reminding people of the Clintons will get the voters really upset at the Dems as their mortgages soar, their children come home in body bags and gasoline goes up to $4.00 a gallon. Yes, that Luntz really has his finger on the pulse of America - well, maybe his middle finger up the ass of America, like the rest of the Republican Party does. But, of course, he probably has access to the "math". Now if only the Dems could find a spine, we could grind these neocon Christofascists into powder.

I agree, this should be obvious to anyone with any common sense. But unfortunately most American families have both adults working full time jobs (sometimes more) and when they get home they may, MAY, watch the 20 minutes (after all the drug commercials) of the national news (corp propaganda). That is the extent of their interest and of course their minds have been made up (the propaganda has done it’s work). I have suggested to my friends to check out sites such as this or even watch C-Span when channel surfing. But no, that might require thinking.

Wow - those people in the vid...

That was a bevy of infantile dumbassery.

These people really need to read a book or perhaps question their own beliefs from time to time. I once got attacked by a politically correct liberal for suggesting that the more intelligent one is, the more likely they are to be progressive. Anyone disagree? :)

exit7a @ 117:

I want to know who is the has the widest stance in the mens room

COULTERGEIST

It must be true if the statistics man with the bad toupee Luntz says it is!

Ruthless People @ 11:

That room represents the lunatic fringe, the America destroying 24%.

I dare say the percentage is a lot lot higher than that at the moment.

Who's to say that this wasn't completely staged, that the "participants" weren't pre-screened to see what they would say before Luntz asked them on camera? Fox is Kabuki theater. Nothing is real.

i started watching this for about 5 minutes last night and had to turn it off because everyone scared the shit out of me.

Michael Vick take note!

We have a video of a bunch of rabid attack dogs trying to eat each other alive! Place your bets now on who will be the survivor!

Biggus Diggus @ 144:

Who's to say that this wasn't completely staged, that the "participants" weren't pre-screened to see what they would say before Luntz asked them on camera? Fox is Kabuki theater. Nothing is real.

I thought that was Strawberry Fields.

Biggus Diggus @ 142:

It must be true if the statistics man with the bad toupee Luntz says it is!

Luntz is the only thirteen-year-old I've ever seen with a hairpiece.

I don't understand the idea behind these GOP "debates" - 8 freaks all saying the same things: I like to torture brown people, hate Mexicans, and let's cut taxes. What debate??

I only have 1 question. Where are the minorities? No blacks on the panel?!!! Even Ron Christie would count.

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