We need to take back the media, which is complicit in catapulting White House propaganda.

There's only one answer to this: Stark for President!

"Battered Wives Syndrome" or is it "Stockholm Syndrome".

Either way, the Dems need to sac up or they're outta there. I heard Pelosi on Ed Shultz's show and she is so far out of touch that it's unbelievable. How do these people get their heads so far up their asses that they can't see what's going on right in front of them? They are so worried about their "image" and getting re-elected that they are abandoning the jobs that we hired them to do.

Yep... we've heard all this warmongering before... Cheney and Bu$h, you have no credibility. You're both liars and crooks! If things worked as they should in this great "democracy", both of you'd be serving time in a federal penitentiary and answering the calls of some big inmate who needed your services. Out here, nobody needs either of you!

Just got back to the US after a week of relaxing bliss. I should have stayed away.

This country is falling apart. Angry, bitter partisanship...crumbling infrastructure... an all out hatred for science...mountains and mountains of debt...and a fat, sloppy, ignorant population.

Spells doom to me.

Now, Chimpy and his crew are making plans to attack Iran. To start another war without enough manpower or money.

What a place.

Anything to keep the oil prices high

moniker @ 8:

Albatross @ 1:

We need to take back the media, which is complicit in catapulting White House propaganda.

Absolutely true. Put the pictures of Americans killed daily in Iraq and Afghanistan on the front pages and this "war" will end.

Start drafting white kids from the suburbs and it will be over last week.

But... but... if Iran manages to build a nuke, they'll have one one-zillionth the number of nukes we have! We must butcher them all so that never happens! Otherwise our wives won't fuck us.

Fareed Zakaria writes sensibly about an irrational administration.

The thing feeding this "attack Iran" frenzy is that conservatives NEED a bogeyman. Otherwise people might notice how heartless and cynical their true agenda really is.

We need to take back the media, which is complicit in catapulting White House propaganda.

Absolutely true. Put the pictures of Americans killed daily in Iraq and Afghanistan on the front pages and this “war” will end.

the corporate/repiglican media should be charged, tried, and convicted for purposefull, criminal, fraud committed against the american people. they are as complicit in destruction of the once great country called american and their fuhrer, the shitstain called bush, is. they should be frog marched out of the protection of their corporate studios and right into jail. then corporate 'sluts' who have made their faustian deals to be among the 'media elite' , sluts like 'miss' brian williams, david 'my lips are too swollen to speak the truth anymore' gregory, tim ' my Depends are always too full' russert, charles 'my nose is so brown i can't breath anymore' gibson, all the corporate pundit pimps on cable propaganda minus of course Keith Oberman, all of them should have their millionair limbs chained sawed off, rolled into a cellhouse anywhere, and turned into 'bitches' for the enjoyment of the inmates. fuck'um all...

When will people learn. It doesn't matter what Bush says. Facts don't matter. Nothing matters except obeying that voice in his head that says 'Bomb Iran, George. I am God'. We are at the mercy of a madman and his puppet Georgie. What a predicament!

MADNESS!
MADNESS!
MADNESS!
MADNESS!
MADNESS!
MADNESS!
MADNESS!

- JJ

Yep, there’s deep murmurings reverberating through the DC malarial feverish jungle canopy like them crazy drums and pointy-head pundits that never stop. When I asked (or axed if you’re stupid or have lousy taste in music) somebody if the drums ever stop, they replied, “No. Very bad when drums stop. Then we get bass solo!”.

Okay, bad joke. Anyway, have you ever seen those lists of all the elements in the human body and how much they would be worth if you could cook them down, extract, and sell them? The gist of it is that we're all made of mostly oxygen, hydrogen and carbon with small amounts of stuff like potassium and phosphorus thrown in for flavoring and color, and altogether our component elements are worth a little less than a dollar, assuming you could find a buyer for tiny amounts of easily obtainable elements. Well, we’d have to take a loss on this seven year disaster (don’t know if it’s tax deductible) but it just might be time to accept a tolerable level of loss and throw Boosh, Chainy, the whole Republican congress, and, ah hell, let’s throw in Coulter and her adam’s apple, any employee at Faux, and even Rush (careful, don’t strain yourself – don’t know if it’s covered by rip-off insurance), and see if we can walk away from this disaster of stupendous proportions with enough chump change in our pocket for a twelve pack of Schlitz and a pound of head cheese. Hell, the resultant hangover and intestinal upset would be tolerable if I didn’t have to gaze one more time upon the slack-jawed mouth-breathing Gimp attempting to thrash out some brain dead 3rd graders half-baked glue-inspired “thoughts”.

the repubs love having a boogeyman regardless of it being Iran, Mexican immigrants, gay marriage to get the mouth-breathers to vote for top 1 percent tax cutters. The transfer of wealth is always on the march

pissed off patricia @ 20:

This morning on Morning Joe, Joe said that he thought the majority of Americans would support the US making air strikes on Iran's nuke facilities. WTF? Could he be right? Doesn't he understand if we did that it would constitute an act of war and Iran would march over the border into Iraq faster than you can say Ahmadinejad

Joe isn't the sharpest crayon in the box -- but question he raises is really beside the point. I don't think a president with a 25 percent approval rating is worried about what the public will it or won't support. If he did, we'd be out of Iraq by now.

These dudes are vampires. They die without blood, conquest, and treasure. Primarily it's the blood.

I think people are glossing over the religious and raciest aspect of this. How many people in the US see all non white Christians as not fully human. If you ancestors are not from Europe your not part of god's plan anyway. All the pictures of Jesus are of a white European man with Blue eyes.

"You've got to kill the terrorists before the killing stops. And I'm for the president to chase them all over the world. If it takes 10 years, blow them all away in the name of the Lord."

Jerry Falwell

Iran is not Iraq..dumb asses don't realize the average Iranian hates his crappy government. Much like the majority of Americans are

Another masterpiece by Helen Thomas:

Helen.

Q Did the President authorize Cheney to threaten Iran with serious consequences -- same language that we went into Iraq on?

MS. PERINO: Helen, I don't believe that the Vice President threatened Iran and I don't think that he said anything different than what the President --

Q He certainly did --

MS. PERINO: -- has said before.

Q -- "serious consequences," same language.

MS. PERINO: The Vice President didn't say anything different from what the President said before. If you look at the Vice President's speech, he said, we want to try to solve this diplomatically, but no President is going to take any option off the table. That's exactly what the President has said before. So it wasn't different.

Q He also threatened serious consequences. One other question. Is there any country in the Middle East that has nuclear weapons?

MS. PERINO: Helen, we've talked about this before and I'm going to --

Q No, no, no, you've never answered it.

MS. PERINO: I know. (Laughter.)

Q How can you threaten a country that may have them, and know that another country does have them?

MS. PERINO: Helen, I'm going to let those countries speak for themselves.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/10/20071023-8.html

President Bush's disturbingly flip comment Wednesday about Iran and World War III not only revealed his apparent comfort when discussing global conflagration. Bush's gaffe also showed the common vision between himself, the man most likely to succeed him as head of the Republican Party and those who advise them both. For George Bush, Rudy Giuliani and the likes of Norman Podhoretz, the only dispute about "world war" is whether we're already fighting it and what number we're on.

For the details, see:
"Bush and Giuliani on the Next World War."

They're bat-shit crazy and I hope enough people with the power and will to stop them can see it.

I have to laugh though - what makes Cheney think his credibility is good enough to go out and hawk another war? He's a walking, talking Chickenhawk turd and everyone knows it.

Carmikl @ 36:

Demonizing the enemy or potential enemy is one of the first steps when preparing for war. It happens in all wars. It's usually a good metric to use when assessing the likelihood of war. The more a potential enemy is demonized, the more likely we'll be at war with them. Demonization is certainly not helpful if there are serious efforts at diplomacy underway.

For the First World War it images of Huns (German Soldiers) with Belgian Babies on their Bayonets. For the first Gulf War it was the images of 300 Kuwaiti Babies being removed from their incubators and placed on the concrete floor by Iraqi Soldiers. There's always some effort made before a war to make a potential enemy seem menacing and less than human.

For the record, German soldiers did slaughter Belgian civilians -- men, women and children -- at the start of the First World War. And they were the aggressors, so there really was no need to demonize them. They took care of that themselves.

redcat @ 42:

the media wants a war with iran because the tv ratings for the iraq war has been going into the toilet since after the first 6 months. its the same as replacing a low rated sitcom with another sitcom that they hope will deliver higher ratings.

Okay - now I've heard it all. The problem is - I have no trouble believing this.
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Too bad Fareed didn't ask those kinds of questions about a how a country with a third the population of Iran, with no control over its airspace, where weapons inspectors had operated for years, no aerospace industry, and under UN sanctions for a decade could have managed to build giant stockpiles of WMD and was on the verge of developing nukes back in 2001 when he was pimping for the Iraq war.

World War III
Bush Administration Military Options

Option #1
"If our military leaders are currently preparing plans that are even remotely comparable to what is being called World War III, they should testify before Congress and the people about exactly what resources they need today and will need tomorrow if America initiates yet another war at this "dangerous moment."
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/102307a.html
http://www.consortiumnews.com

or

Option #2
Our military leaders would seize, court marshall and prepare the punk in the white house, cheney and all the interconnected criminals for the treason trial of the century. This option would save the United States Constitution and would also require declassification of records to shed a light on all of the crimes committed, past and present.

pissed off patricia @ 20:

This morning on Morning Joe, Joe said that he thought the majority of Americans would support the US making air strikes on Iran's nuke facilities. WTF? Could he be right? Doesn't he understand if we did that it would constitute an act of war and Iran would march over the border into Iraq faster than you can say Ahmadinejad

That must be a majority of the 20% crowd....

How about instead of taking our troops to Iran, we bring them home to get some damned fires out! "We're out of trucks, we're out of men". Don't ask me to be civil, civilisation is nothing but a fantasy.

Here’s the bottom line - there are 2 things we know for absolute certain:

1.) Bush/Cheney will lie to start a war.
2.) They are incompetent.

Is Iran a really threat? All the evidence says that they MAY be at some point. But it’s pretty far down the road and there are a ton of options left to pursue before considering any kind of military move. Here’s a crazy idea, why don’t we listen to the people who were RIGHT about IRAQ first?? After Iraq, you’d have to be completely brain-dead to listen to anything the Bush Administration says when it comes to this kind of stuff. (Number 1 on the list things we know for certain). Unfortunately we still have a lot of brain-dead people in Congress – but that’s another story.

IF Iran were a threat, we’d still have to wait to do anything about it because NOBODY in their right mind would want President Sh*t for Brains and his merry band of fu*k-up’s calling the shots. (Please refer to number 2 on the list of things we know for certain.)

Basically we’re not going to be able to do anything with Iran until those idiots are out of the White House.

"“One of the bizarre twists of the current Iran hysteria is that conservatives have become surprisingly charitable about two of history’s greatest mass murderers.”

Bush and Cheney?

Bush
Military Options

Option #1
"If our military leaders are currently preparing plans that are even remotely comparable to what is being called World War III, they should testify before Congress and the people about exactly what resources they need today and will need tomorrow if America initiates yet another war at this "dangerous moment."
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/102307a.html
http://www.consortiumnews.com

or

Option #2
Military leaders would seize, court marshall and prepare the punk in the white house, cheney and all the interconnected criminals for the treason trial of the century. This option would save the United States Constitution and would also require declassification of records to shed a light on all of the crimes committed, past and present.

Jerry @ 60:

The United States has become a terrorist state, thanx to Cheney and Bush.

Nope. The U.S. has always been a terrorist state, thanks to politicians of all stripes and a dumbed-down populace that is frighteningly easy to manipulate.

Please educate yourself with this short article:

Getting Sober

[Note that this article only covers the postwar years, but all of the years prior to that were more of the same.]

why not send the u.n. to israel to dismantle their nuclear weapons program. iran is an old culture and the idea of crude businessmen/politicians like bush/cheney telling them what they can or cannot do is a non-starter. i don't like the idea of bush/cheney having control of a nuclear stockpile.

chimpy wants the additional 42b to invade Iran.

spit take @ 17:

Fareed Zakaria writes sensibly about an irrational administration.

The thing feeding this "attack Iran" frenzy is that conservatives NEED a bogeyman. Otherwise people might notice how heartless and cynical their true agenda really is.

It's about time that Fareed writes sensibly. Too bad he didn't write sensibly about Iraq. He was one of the Bush cheerleaders.

I remember when he started turning tail. Not all that long ago. And he still has not taken responsibility for his previous support of the still illegal and immoral war in the ME.

Strip Immunity @ 68:

Retired Navy @ 64:

What is most sad to me is that these very fine people would have no choice but to return to their homes to try to help protect their families from invaders if that becomes necessary. But they, at least, have the good grace and intelligence to know that not all Americans are as bad as people like Bush and Ahmadinejad would have us believe about other cultures.

I completely agree with you Strip Immunity; my suggestion is that when our governments fail us and flout the laws and regulations that are intended to prevent them from carrying out our wishes, we only have our humanity left to guide us. This, I believe, is our only remaining principle and should be used to take whatever actions are necessary. Those actions are justified by our U.S. Constitution.

The Axis of Evil is the same countries threatening to use Euro's to pay for oil instead of U.S. dollars.

As Iran is one of OPEC's biggest players, they're target #1.

A new twist is, Iran has almost completely dumped the dollar now. Guess the threat of war pissed them off?

http://www.roncan.com

President George Bush often states that Iran is threatening the interests of the Unites States in Persian Gulf! What are the interests of England and the United States in Persian Gulf, the Persian front door to Iran?

A primer for discussion of these issues must start with review of British and the United States policies relative to the Persian Gulf region. Stephen Kinzer, a veteran New York Times correspondent, in his book “All the Shah’s Men, an American coup and the roots of Middle East Terror”, published by John Wiley & Sons, Inc., 2003, brilliantly reconstructs the events leading to the present dilemma of the United States in the Middle East. The events described in this marvelous book are not fiction, events actually happened during the summer of 1953 in Tehran, Iran.

The United States Central Intelligence Agency operation Ajax staged coup d’état in 1953 against democratically elected Prime Minister Dr. Mohammad Mossadegh. Democracy was substituted with the despotic regime of Mohammad Reza Shah. The dawn of democracy in Iran, started in late 1880, flickered by democratically elected Mossadegh, was extinguished. This was the beginning of Iranian servitude once more to the interests of England and the United States. During his last years, Shah did not trust Iranian people; his inner palace was guarded by Israel commandos. Since 1979, the United States has been punishing Iranian people for ousting the immature, weak, despotic Mohammad Reza Shah. This punishment, Iranian assert, included Iraq invasion of Iran instigated by President Regan. During this war, the United States and her satellite nations helped materially and logistically Iraqi military forces to invade Iran and use chemical and biological weapons on Iranian population.

In the preface of his book, Kinzer recalls his conversation with an Iranian lady about Dr. Mohammad Mossadegh. He asked her: “What do you remember…about the coup against him?” She responded:

“Why did you Americans do that terrible thing? We always loved America. To us, America was the great country, the perfect country, the country that helped us while other countries were exploiting us. But after that moment, no one in Iran ever trusted the United States again…”

This un-American act was instigated by Winston Churchill-Anthony Eden of England and two American brothers John Foster Dulles (US Secretary of State) and Allen Dulles (Director of Central Intelligence Agency). The primary reason for this regime change was to subordinate Iranian people and exploit the Iranian natural resources.

President George Bush prevaricate his true intensions and hide the administration’s primary interest to dominate and exploit the natural resources of Iranian people. Administration states that Iran is threatening the interests of the Unites States in Persian Gulf, because Iranian defense of their homeland is considered a threat. In contrast to 1953, Iranian people are willing to die and kill to defend their homeland.

Harry Truman once said:”There is nothing new in the world except the histories you don not know.” Have we learned from our past mistakes committed during 1953 not to repeat it once more? This time the price would be much larger for both societies of Iranians and our Americans. We must stop President George Bush adventure in his neocolonialism.