Lieberman's work pays off: Condi slaps sanctions on Iranian military and banking institutions
Joe Lieberman's warmongering has paid off for Dick Cheney today.
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Jim Webb said this about the Liberman/Kyle amendment: " Lieberman/Kyl Amendment: “This proposal is Dick Cheney’s fondest pipe dream” I'd say that's about right.
Did I hear correct? Did Condi say she'll talk to Iran? Andrea Mitchell reported on the TODAY Show that Condi lost against the Cheney hardliners who have been pushing for this...
The Bush administration imposed sweeping new sanctions against Iran Thursday — the harshest in nearly three decades — cutting off key Iranian military and banking institutions from the American financial system for Tehran's alleged support for terrorism and nuclear weapons ambitions.---Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said the moves would further isolate the Islamic republic's government by further distancing it from the international economy and discouraging its trading partners from continuing to do business with it...read on
WAR IS COMING SOON
another war the barren woman won't have any skin in
who didn't see this coming!
So in other words we are going to keep poking them with the stick until they react and then it's bombs away? Strap cheney's fat white ass to the first bomb that's dropped so he can get an up close view of what happens when innocent people are blown all to hell.
Impeach the cheerleader, save the world.
I think everyone should check out the PBS/Frontline Showdown to realize how ridiculous this is! The calm across this country as we move towards attacking Iran is scary. I was the fly on the wall yesterday when I heard two on the prominent American anthropologists, in the highest ranked anthro program in the country - not that it means the world - compared this to the quite under pre-war Nazi Germany. What are YOU doing about this today?
Nothing like instigating a reason for a country to
lash back. The Military Industrial Complex has
one hell of an itchy trigger finger hey?
Hmmm... I have a bad feeling about this.
Remind me to pick up some canned goods and ammo on the way home.
arjay8 @ 5:
Now that's just using it too much :P
*sigh*
I hope I am not the only one to realize this is the first step towards the war that is obviously coming now. If we cant stop little shit like this from happening, how in the hell are we going to stop them from going to war like they want to?
And the worst part is, Iran has friends, friends who havent really liked the US for a long time, who I dont doubt for a second will come to help. Its not like they will be fighting a full strength, or even half strength american military... we already drained ourselves with the Iraq conflict.
Iran seeks to create monetary chaos in the US economy by getting Iraq to join them in converting oil currency from Dollars to Euros. The US will not allow that to happen. Condoleeza has the balls to stand up to those bedsheet wearing bandits.
And god knows we surely can afford to get into yet a third war. We have the finances and the troop strength to boot. We'll just drop a few dozen bombs and call it a day. The Iranian army won't march into Iraq and blow our soldiers away or anything. We know our soldiers' equipment is in tip top shape and they have everything they need to just keep fighting everywhere indefinitely. (every bit of this is snark)
Now we know why they need the new heavy duty tanks. They aren't for fighting in Iraq, they are for fighting in Iran. I don't think you hear much from the public about this because I don't think most people think the administration would be insane enough to do it.
Condi, you're LYING.....AGAIN!!! Iran is NOT a threat to the US or Israel for that matter. Why the hell are all of you republicans so gung ho about another damn war? Do you really not care at all the consequences of your actions? Do you really not care the lives that have been taken, mutilated, destroyed because of your thirst for world domination and oil? Just STFU and go buy a flag lapel pin. What are you? Against the troops or something? You do know we are at war don't you.
Don't forget, sHillary is at fault for this just as much as Lieberman.
Oh, and one more thought.
How retarded is this nation, and this senate most especially, not to have seen this coming, and know what it foretells? Did they just have their eyes closed and their brains off when this happened 6 years ago?
This is the same damn thing that happened last time, why is this being allowed to happen again? Every day this turns more and more into something out of a bad sci-fi novel, and every day I find myself almost not believing the things I see and hear happening around me, in what used to be one of the greatest nations in the world.
We have fallen pretty damn far...
Here we go...the first big, publicly seen step to war. Condi The Undead Queen of Zombie Warmongers is rallying her evil minions under the banner of Darth Cheney.
How has it gotten this bad here? Haven't we dumb Americans learned ANYTHING from history? What's that? New video of Britney's unclad nether regions? Quick, America - to the TVs!!
Wake me up when it's 2009....
mrogi @ 11:
It makes better economic sense for the Iranians, as well as the Iraqis to use Euros than Dollars. Just because they're looking for their own interests doesn't mean they're doing it to "wreak havoc" on the US economy. If globalization and US "market capitalism" is so great, then let them do what's good for themselves and let the US market deal with it. But of course we all know that "Globalization" is just the teletubby word for "economic imperialism", and "market capitalism" has long since been killed by the monopolies.
"bedsheet wearing"? what are you another half-assed Coulter wannabe?
Remember one thing, and one thing only.
When Nancy Pelosi's first act as Speaker of the House was to announce that "Impeachment is Off The Table" she pretty much sent the message to Bush that he could do what he damned well pleased and Congress wasn't going to lift a finger to stop him.
That's it and that's ALL.
Well Hillary, seems Obama was right. If you give geo bush a blank check for war and don't expect him to cash it, you are, in my words not Obama's, a fool.
Hail Freedonia!! Wheres Groucho when we need him?
We will be bombing Iran within ten months.
Who is going to stop the neocons? Congress? I don't think so. The UN? Europe? Russia? You? Me?
put the fucking war criminals in the whitehouse in gitmo and forget about them.
"Wake me up when it’s 2009…."
What in the hell will it matter who wins in the '08 election? Do you have any faith what so ever the the Democrats are going to get a damn thing done? This last Stark incident was pathetic. They're no different than the Republicans in almost every issue and the ones where they do differ they don't have passion enough to fight. Wake me up when the economy tanks. That's the next time any needed change has a chance, when there is no other option.
Joe Lieberman is also a leading war criminal and psychopath!
I feel like I'm watching a scary movie and this is the part where I want to cover my eyes because I know this is going to one of the scariest scenes. The movie is awful but the theater door is locked and no one can leave.
Who cares? There are others that are BAILING on the dollar VOLUNTARILY!
Well, I'm up for a protest. I'll drive to D.C. Anyone else? Time's a-wastin', folks.
Every empire in the past thousand years fell because it's greedy reach exceeded it's ability to hold everything it tried to grab.
The U.S.A. is suffering from overreach....but, there's a really nice piece of fruit way out on that limb, if I stretch, I just know I can reach it...and then the limb breaks.
pissed off patricia @ 19:
Hillary's a war hawk all right, but Obama is a pussy for stepping out while they voted on the Kyl-Leiberman amendment. And he's my junior senator from Illinois, but I gotta call him out on that one. Not that Durbin did any better; he voted for the damn thing just like Hillary.
We're effing screwed.
Putin said in a veiled reference to the U.S. push for harsher international sanctions. "It's not the best way to resolve the situation by running around like a madman with a razor blade in his hand."
Putin talking about Bush, Joe, or Rice?
Good plan, because sanctions have worked so well against Castro and Saddam in the past. All this is going to do is radicalize the natives against us, even moreso than Bush already has.
Y'know I don't think an attack on Iran would be as bad as some of you are imagining.
I mean, hear me out..
Just kidding, we're doomed!
Anyone with an IQ over 90 (which eliminates about 80% of Americans) saw this coming months ago.
The next step will be some trumped up charge that Iran has continued to funnel weapons into Iraq. No specifics, mind you....just vague charges. Then Chimpy will go before the public and say that all other options have been exhausted....it is time to hit Iran with a military strike. Not sure where the manpower or money to handle this will come from...but those are just tiny details. After all, the US is the world's judge and jury.
This country is in a death spiral. Hope I can escape before it's too late.
It's not too late to buy stock in Halliburton, Exxon/Mobil, Rocketdyne, etc.
It's seems like the only export America manufactures anymore is death and destruction.
Time to invest.
Gary @ 32:
I wish that were funny.....I have two draft age kids at home and one not too far off.
and, of course, Cheney-in-drag (aka Hillary Clinton) is yapping away "anything Dick does, I can do better"
mrogi @ 11:
By cutting them OUT?
That makes no sense. Yet the racist "bedsheet wearing bandits" explains your reactionary rage.
Waxman subpoenaed her back in March about yellow cake. She blew it off. To busy golfing around the world.
Joementum @ 27:
Well, so far, no takers ...
r.r. @ 34:
Lockheed Martin
Slogan "We never forget who we're working for"
The Truth Hurts @ 33:
And 100% of the chief executives.
Solid, I was not giving Obama a pass, just using a part of one of his quotes.
What does Lieberman get in return for co-sponsoring this fu*king amendment? Will he get to be the repub presidential nominee's veep? Is he hoping this will get him in step with Rudy or McCain?
Everybody sing!!! "It's the end of the world as we know it. It's the end of the world as we know it ... and I'll be fine." Oh wait. I guess that last "I'll be fine" part only applies to millionaires and billionaires.
Oh well ... at least I'll go down singin'.
Joementum @ 39:
I'm in :P We're taking a bus with a bunch of people from Chicago.
Joementum @ 39:
I'll be writing letters and making phone calls. That will probably be about as effective as your protest.
Is anyone actually believing the bullshit that Iran is a threat to us? They haven't invaded a country in hundreds of years. The only terrorist group that's actually a threat is the RNC. Do the world a favor and throw a brick through your neighborhood Republican party window.
yo @ 23:
2009 is when we peasants storm the Whitehouse, pitchforks and torches in hand and cast out the foul monsters that have taken over the castle. In all seriousness, protests are only the beginning of what needs to happen here.
I'm in my 40's, and when I look at the apathetic youth of today, who are more concerned with their fucking text messages and myspace pages than the real issues threatening us, I realize that it will take bold action to accomplish anything. All the dead soldiers and innocent civilians in Iraq mean NOTHING to most young Americans. I have no great expectations for change after Bush is gone, but I have hope that it will be better than this. If I lose that hope, fuck, I'll go live out my remaining days on some deserted island with only a volleyball for companionship...
Joementum @ 39:
Protetst? Mmmm ... nope. That would be like writing a letter to Santa Claus. Call me when it's judgement day, and the chances of ever coming back are next to zero. And I don't just mean getting thrown in jail ... because that's a pretty good chance now, even if all you do is protest.
I think protests only work when someone in the white house gives a good GD what the American public thinks. This white house just tunes it out and continues their own march into hell.
reyvn @ 44:
And thus a movement was born ....
When's your crew going to be there?
reyvn @ 44:
I'm in Norwood Park. When and where is the bus picking up?
DaveTheAngryRhodeIslander @ 47:
A return to a military draft will snap them out of their current daze.
pissed off patricia @ 49:
I think nobody in the White House will give a good GD what the American public thinks if we DON'T protest.
At least, protests will give us whatever small of a fighting chance we got.
This is exactly the same talk that they had about Iraq. The hair on the back of my neck stood up when she said to the Iranian people that America has no beef with them.
Bush said the same thing on the eve of war to Iraq.
pissed off patricia @ 42:
I understand. It just pisses me off that these front runners have to go through a "lobotomizing" by the DLC or whoever controls their brainwaves once the nomination is in their reach, however tenuously that reach is in Obama's case.
DaveTheAngryRhodeIslander @ 47:
Amen, my brother. Amen. Oh, shoot me a text when you're ready to leave. I want to make sure to put a goodbye to you on my MySpace page. Ha! (Chris Matthews voice) Actually, I agree totally.
I think this will backfire. Iraq just signed deals with Iran. Halliburton is doing business with Iran. The Russians and Chinese will continue to do business with Iran. Money talks BS walks. The world knows bush is full of it. I think this card is going to blow up in there faces. The international community will continue to do business with Iran and laugh at the piece of papers bushco just signed.
bush and his legion of idiots forget they have no credibility. By the time they finish the entire middle east will be at war.
All Iran has to do is to continue to let the UN monitor there program. This will make us look as stupid as bombing Iraq after Bin Laden attacked us.
Yellow Elephant Safari @ 51:
http://www.chicagoanswer.net/
There's stuff happening in Chicago as well as DC. I'm not sure exactly how you feel about ANSWER but they're right on for me.
The Truth Hurts, you got it. Just start talk of a draft and see how many little ears perk up along with their parents. There wouldn't just be a protest, there would be a shit storm all around the country.
Doug @ 46:
It's not been helping that Valerie Plame is all over the TV saying that there is no question that Iran has malevolent intent with regard to nuclear weapons technology.
pissed off patricia @ 49:
It's not about what the White House thinks about any particular group of protestors, which I assume is not much. It's about getting the attention of the public, the media and, with any luck, Congress. They are not going to get off their asses if they sense that we aren't going to get off ours.
Her "grand" offer of diplomacy, is too little, too late, and seems rather disingenuous!!
reyvn @ 58:
You mean the rally this weekend? Yeah, I'm already planning to be there.
Good think the White House didn't stop Halliburton from doing business with Iran. Cheney got a 19% bonus in his shares of Halliburton with work done in Iran. As for the US sanctions on Iran it's a laugh as Russia and China will make up any difference lost. Iran has done a great job at collecting friends around the world. Now the the US Media is singing the praise of the White House soon they will have to report that the United Nations are bringing charges against the Bush Administration and Tony Blair for War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity. All those lawyers that didn't get the Attorney Generals job will have be hired by Bush and Cheney. How proud the GOP and all Americans will be when the United Nations brings charges against a US President, Vice President and Tony Blair. Don't look for any support from other countries as must of the foreign leaders that supported Bush have been voted out of office. Maybe Americans will allow another 10 Trillion dollars to buy out the criminal charges against Bush/Cheney. All the information the Media refuse to give the public will come out and the families of the soldiers who lost their lives for the White House greed will now realize they were lied too.
reyvn @ 58:
Oops, I guess I messed up. I think all the ANSWER chapters are doing local actions nationwide. I'm sure they'd love to see you in Chicago though.
I didn't watch all of the hearing with Waxman today. Did she happen to mention this during the hearing? Anyone know?
The people of neither country want war or the risk of war.
how galling it must be to the Iranian People to be lectured by these hypocrit clowns....... it gals me and i am german..........
i really hope for economic meltdown in the US, doesnt matter the consequence to world economy , as long as it stops the war...
Joementum @ 8:
And don't forget the booze.....
mrogi @ 11:
Really? And I assume you think it's not THEIR oil to decide about eh?
If they switch to Euro's blame GW for destroying the value.
If I were leader of a country I woudn't want my reserves filled with US currency either.
Moron.
at what point do we, the American Citizens declare this administration what they are?
a bunch of fucking criminals!!!!!!! we should not have to suffer the indignity and abuse
heaped on us from all the lies and criminal acts that bushco has done, is doing and certainly will do before they leave office. that is, if they leave office. remember bush has declared himself the power to dismiss all the other divisions of the legislature and the judiciary branches.
it's time to really sacrifice and take to the streets and stop these bastards bush and cheney.
Ellessidil @ 10:
They can't go to war without Congress, that's where we come in.
Who are these other countries she keeps talking about?
pissed off patricia @ 12:
you are right on.........most of the people are out shopping like good little sheeples.
as the american public has blinded itself, karma is about to fuck us all for our indifference to the intentional suffering by the fucking bastard in the whitehouse.
I watched the presser and Condi seemed really nervous, her voice was shaky. I wasn't sure if it was from disbelief at what she was reading or restrained glee at same.
pissed off patricia @ 42:
no, lieberman wants to run israel and that entire area.
mrogi @ 11:
Whilst I agree with you, the Iranians are building a bourse & maybe converting petrodollars. Reacting to that it is not standing up to them. It is maintaining economic hegemony at the barrel of a gun.
Of course, with spiraling national debt, the Americans are doing a pretty good job of devaluing the US dollar which will encourage others to cash out of their US dollar reserves.
This is just politics.
The sanctions are a political ploy to placate the extreme right...who are already making noise about defecting from the GOP or at least sitting out the election because they don't like Gooliani or any of the other "conservative lite" front runners.
Maybe Lieberman should have called his new political party "Likud." He's in lockstep with their agenda.
DaveTheAngryRhodeIslander @ 16:
Will we make it to 2009?
bush and co. are determined to start a nukler war. If that happens I'm not sure it ill be worth being alive in 2009. :( See you at the TV - Britney's unclad nether regions sounds more interesting than what bush has in mind for us. ;)
Cupid1d @ 74:
Vampires are no capable of normal human emotions, it must have been last nite's blood orgy that is now catching up with her. So what you shaw was the equivalent of a hung over for a vampire... it can be misunderstood as it somehow looks like human emotion, alas is just lack of sleep.
enor @ 21:
China. I ran is one of their main oil suppliers.
There will be exactly 0 bombs dropped over Iran. We don't have the man power, but more importantly we do not have the money.
What it must be fascinating is the scandal that these assholes are trying to muffle. This whole war drumming is just a silly exercise of wagging the dog. What I want to know is *what* are they so afraid of to be revealed to the American public as bringing nuclear Armageddon as a distraction.
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said the moves would further isolate the Islamic republic’s government by further distancing it from the international economy and discouraging its trading partners from continuing to do business with it…
OR it might add fuel to the anti-American fire that is burning in that part of the world and cause more US deaths.
Fuck Cheney!
mrogi @ 11:
So basically you are saying that any country is free to use any currency to trade dollars, as long as it is dollars.
I am curious to see how "free trade" is defined in a right wing dictionary...
I am curious to see how “free trade” is defined in a right wing dictionary
Take from the poor, give to the rich, kill anyone who stands in the way of said goal?
Jackie @ 64:
The Democrats should have made an issue in 2004 of Halliburton (while Cheney was head) setting up an offshore subsidiary to do business with Iran.
Here's a Feb 05 article about continued Halliburton support for Iran:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58298-2005Feb2.html
"Halliburton "has won a tender to drill a huge Iranian gas field." The deal to
develop two sections of Iran's South Pars gas field promises significant
economic benefits. "The project includes onshore and offshore sections.."
"Michael Ledeen, a neoconservative advocate of ousting the government in
Tehran, described Halliburton's actions as "disgusting." In a Jan. 23 online
chat sponsored by the Student Movement Coordination Committee for Democracy in
Iran, Ledeen was asked about "secret business deals between some U.S.
companies, like Halliburton, and the Islamic regime."
"Halliburton spokeswoman Wendy Hall said the company had not broken the law
because all of the work in the South Pars gas field would be done by
non-Americans employed by a subsidiary registered in the Cayman Islands."
This story should be pushed not only for blow back to prevent a disastrous attack on Iran, but also to question why U.S. taxpayers are paying Halliburton (now a foreign company) billions of dollars for "support" in Iraq, while they are at the same time supporting our "mortal enemy" of Iran.
mrogi @ 11:
Mrogi, mrogi, you never cease to amaze me. If you weren't so whacked in the head you could be writing copy for Tom Tomorrow. Thanks for the laugh. Seriously. (I'm still laughin' now.)
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said the moves would further isolate the Islamic republic’s government by further distancing it from the international economy and discouraging its trading partners from continuing to do business with it
Except maybe of course those trading partners who's economies use petroleum based fuels. Oil's at $90 a barrel and this is going to isolate them. If you haven't done so already, make sure to view the FrontLine special on Iran. Bush and his gang of idiots never miss a chance at FUBAR governance.
There's one money quote which I'll have to paraphrase since I don't remember it exactly or even who said it, but it was something to the effect that the Bush adminstration displays fundamental ignorance when it come to Mid-east policy.
William Wallace @ 69:
Or *other needed supplies. Nothing to see here: move along...
Doug @ 46:
NO!
Liberal AND Proud @ 77:
I agree. Freezing the Republican Guard's assets in the U.S. - big whoop. That'll be about fifty cents.
The fun part about this is watching all the right-wing nutjobs turn on Condi because she's not hawkish enough for their tastes. Debbie Schussel, reliable wingnut windsock, is frothing about "Condi Clueless." I would guess the Nobel laureates over at littlegreennoballs are likewise in a tizzy. Hilarious.
Dr. Who @ 80:
Scarier than Armageddon? That's a hell of a distraction.
I guess it is time to get out the "Support the Troops" bumper stickers again and put American flags on the door.
The Master American race is going to war again because it wants to promote world democracy or is it to play world policeman and protect Big Oil corporate interests and keep the neocons happy playing their wargames with other people's money and lives?
pissed off patricia @ 4:
Yeah, just like Slim Pickens in that crazy Mel Brooks (I think) movie from the seventies.
Janet @ 91:
From day 1 this administration has always come up with a new distraction whenever their dirty laundry. 9/11 happened in the nick of time to save a lame duck admin facing economic meltdown, people asking questions about Cheney's energy task force and the results of the Florida recount coming up. Then Iraq came up to cover all the questions about 9/11 and the clusterfuck that was the hunt for Osama, and the fact that the economy was still in the shitter. And now we have Iran to cover up the clusterfuck that has been Iraq, the hunt for Osama, Katrina, and the fact that the economy died a while back.
They are just pathological liars always coming up with a bigger lie to cover previous lies, and then ending up in an exponential curve of made up bullshit. So in this case we ended up with the threat of nuclear Armageddon.
So I am curious to see what may be coming out regarding this cabal.
[Deleted. 9/11 conspiracy-Sitemonitor]
Has our state department done any actual negotiating towards a peaceful solution to ANYTHING these past 7 hellish years?
RockmanEnough @ 93:
Dude. Stanley Kubrick. Dr. Strangelove. A much smarter movie than Mel Brooks ever made. Not that I didn't enjoy Mel Brooks movies.
Sanction against Iranian military is nothing. Bush has been poking Iran with a stick trying to provoke a response so he can have his war.
Bush has been harboring a terrorist organization in Iraq and has been using them to cross into Iran and commit acts of terrorism. Check out the links under the fold in the PBS Frontline post below. It was from the second half of the PBS documentary that didn't make it into the video that got posted. It's in here though.
Bush's Push For a "Showdown With Iran" highlights (2 of 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXHKxuW7RnU
Eight killed in Iran bomb attacks
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4642170.stm
Bomb blasts hit Iran oil cities
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4754446.stm
Bomb blasts rock Iran
http://web.archive.org/web/20060222015503/http://economictimes.indiatime...
Explosion kills 18 elite Rev. Guards of Iran
15 February 2007
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/14/ap/world/mainD8N9D3600.shtml
Police, Insurgents Clash After Iran Bomb
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/17/ap/world/mainD8NB523G0.shtml
If another country was using a terrorist org to attack us like this, what would we do?
.Condi Rice, doctor, musician, sec of defense so they say...FUCK!...I really wish that bitch would just go somewhere and play piano in some out of the way bar and get the hell out of my face... She's just a freekin failure at this sec of state bit it almost maked Kissinger look good... ALMOST!
Ya ya I know, someones going to chime in, Kissinger wazzz good yadda yadda... No! Just because he had semething to do with Nixon and China getting together, and he managed to make the notion of 'realpolitic' some kind of mantra, he was still an asshole! A self serving asshole who just happened to have better P.R. and a leadership who wasn't quite so naked about their total disdain for our nations founding principles and citizens.
All those dead watergate tools are in hell jealous that Bush seems to have what they could only dream of... fuckemall!!!!.... Condi, Nixon and his whole gang, Ollie North, Reagan, Bush I and II, and all the rest of them.. for what they have done to the United States.....JD
watadoo @ 94:
Basically... NO. Nor the last 30 years. But why would they??? Iran = evil: hide your children. Know what I mean?
With each passing page of "The Shock Doctrine," by Naomi Klein I become more convinced that what has been set in motion for the past 30 years is unstoppable via the ballot box. What we're witnessing worldwide is the failure of humanity to check it's most prevalent inclination - GREED. Expect things to get a whole lot worse.
mrogi @ 11:
how dare they!what the fuck!they must think its thier country!funking turrists!
Iranian leaders are trapped in the archaic simplistic universe of 7th Century religion. They are blind to the reality of 21st Century monetary cosmology.
To paraphrase the great Arthur Jensen: There are no international borders. There is no East, no Middle East, no West. Our world is a now a vast, interwoven, interlaced, multinational, corporate dominion of dollars. A fart in the Central Bank of Tehran will cause a stink in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. If the leader of an oil rich nation lacks the sophistication to grasp the organic complexity of our symbiotic holistic global economy... He Must Be Obliterated.
I find it hard to believe how evil this woman is and what she's saying.
And that she does it in the name of America and the people just sit there and nod and aren't burning down the white house and lynching these morons .......... oh wait these are the same people that voted them in twice .....
The real significance of this is that Lieberman will be secretly awarded another 'Hero of Zionism' medal at the next AEI/AIPAC dungeon meeting.
He never wears his 'HOZ' medals in public, he has so many the accumulation would break his neck. (Hold that thought)
'Geez, Joe, please wear all your 'HOZ'S' when the first US Nuke falls on Teheran'.
That'll give the rest of us something to celebrate.
mrogi @ 101:
So what happens when the leader of a country with a decimated industrial base, a huge military, and a massive inferiority complex lacks the sophistication to grasp the organic complexity of our symbiotic holistic global economy?
Also what happens when the leader of said country is trapped in a simplistic universe of a 1st century religion, does it matter that his main ally is trapped in a simplistic universe of a 2000 BC religion?
Inquiring minds want to know, given that Bush can't barelly master My Pet Goat, it is safe to assume that he lacks the sophistication to grasp that symbiotic mambo jumbo something economy.
I have a better idea to solve the problem, bomb Israel and wipe those war mongers off the map.!!!
mrogi @ 101:
You are a very sick person.
Its almost ludicrous how you reactionary toadies gaze so myopically at every situation. Immensely complex and multifaceted affairs woven by a thousand threads are reduced to simple platitudes. Collectively your fingers are pointed at the convenient scapegoats created by the media oligarchy who controls the way you think, speak, and act. Iran's ambitions were not singlehandedly caused by "Republican war-mongering in Iraq" or by "Zionism" or by oil.
In reality the problem with Iran is a multifaceted situation brought on by the human urge to find identity and purpose through control, manipulation, and domination, Shi'a beliefs in the 12th imam, a cultural elitism inherent in many Persians, the exploitations of Iran's shah that led to the Iranian Revolution in '79, the fall of the Soviet Union, the avarice of international corporations, globalization, Oil and OPEC, Chinese and Iranian relations going back into the 1980s, the impossibility of honestly and truly reconciling the dominant worldviews (Humanism, Rationalism, Capitalism, Christianity, Islam, Communism, Hedonism, Buddhism, Hinduism), the unchecked hedonism and decadence of Western culture, World Bank exploitation of developing countries, Zionism, the history of U.S. relations in the Middle East, etc.
I want you to see how long Iran has been working on its nuclear program and weapon's development.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Threats_to_Israel/Iran.html
Notice the dates - they signed a joint agreement with China in 1990.
When did Iran get its X-55 cruise missiles?????!!
http://www.defense-update.com/2005_12_01_defense-update_archive.html
From Ukraine between 1999 and 2001 - Wait!!! That was BEFORE THE IRAQ WAR. In fact, the deal commenced when BILL CLINTON (your hero) was in office! Strange how the figureheads of politics play so little a roll in the shifty deals that writhe underneath.
Note to the wise, the truly powerful are very rarely those in the spotlight.
Bombing or obliterating anyone is not the solution to anything.
mrogi @ 11:
KKK Members in the administration?
Eric @ 107:
Why can Israel, Pakistan, and India have nikes and not Iran?
Why try to blame Clinton (lame) for the Ukraine selling nuclear capable missiles to Iran?
I'd say the real blame is with the Republican President Eisenhower who used the CIA to overthrow the progressive secular democracy in Iran in 1953 and then supported a lousy dictator whose CIA trained SAVAK secret police tortured and murdered all dissidents for 25 years that led to the Iranian revolution in 1979. That's why they hate us.
what do you think about Bush sending in a terrorist group to commit acts of terrorism in Iran from Iraq?
Do you support that?
nikes = nukes
typo
I'd like to think that if another country that had nuclear weapons and allowed all of its allies to have nuclear weapons overthrew our government and installed a puppet dictator that they controlled and helped him torture and murder all opposition for 25 years before we overthrew him, that we wouldn't like that country either and we would try to get nuclear weapons too.
Eric @ 107:
Wow, it took you over 3 paragraphs to blame it on Clinton. Youse guys are getting sloppy...
justabill @ 112:
And if that country had shot down one of our airliners with 300 civilians on board, and right away said country did not only not apologize but accuse us of being a state which sponsors terrorism while the last pieces of the airframe were still to be recovered, I would guess that we would not be too fond of that country either.
D. Thoits @ 105:
but if we did that the only democracy in the mid east would be gone! oh wait its a theocray ,, never mind!!!!!!!!!!!
theocracy
Eric @ 107:
You mean when George HW Bush was President?
Clinton was sworn in January 20, 1993
And there NEVER has been one shred of proof Iran has been doing anything except pursue a peaceful nuclear program, which they have an inaliable right to do accd to the NPT. (at least they are a signatory to the NPT, unlike India, Pakistan and Israel.
First, Did I say that Clinton was to blame - NOT AT ALL - I said that it happened during his reign. Did I imply that Clinton was to blame - NOT AT ALL - in fact, the line I wrote afterwards would contend that I believed he played no part in the negotiations directly or indirectly. I should have been more clear and thought about how you would have received the sentence - and for that I apologize.
My implication is that there was a world prior to Bush, and that this pre-Bush world formed and created the situation that we have today. The visible leaders who we make heroes or scapegoats often are not the "powers that be". Hence "funny how the figureheads of politics play so little a role. . . "
I am not a conspiracy monger.
Second, Eisenhower was president 50 years ago. The Soviet threat looms large and imposing, Europe is still hurting from the damage of WWII, all of a sudden a new and extraordinarily powerful weapon is on the table and all eyes are focused on its wickedly destructive capabilities. Again, the myopic thinking. Ridiculously complex matters of international politics and economics are reduced to a emboldened "Republican" and a few exclamation marks. Is this how you have been trained to think?
Iran has every right to have a peaceful nuclear program.
India does not, but it has nuclear weapons.
Pakistan does not, but it has nuclear weapons.
Israel does not, but it has nuclear weapons.
Why are we such good friends with rogue nuclear states?
between the shopping trips and piano recitals....when has condi really been engagin in negotiations???
impeach....now
DaveTheAngryRhodeIslander, I am relatively young, in my late 20's. I am very frustrated, as I can't get anyone around my age to do anything. Even the people who are like minded have the attitude of "what will it matter anyway". When I read Zinn's account of the SNCC in the 1960's and about union organizers in places like Colombia I get depressed. The situations they faced and face are much worse than what today's young people face in this country and look what they accomplished and are accomplishing. This is not entirely young people's fault, the logic their parents use has really been the underlying reasons for the state of this country. I do think however that as thinking adults with a little passion for something, that they should come around and wake up. I honestly don't think they will, it will be the next round of young people that will probably do something and people my age now won't understand why.
Regarding protests, they only work when you push back on something. Marching down a street with a sign is nice but honestly, both parties really don't care much about that. If all you do is march, go to your designated places then go back to your private lives and vote for the same idiots, for the same policies and for the same power structure (might sound cliché) then, honestly, all it is to the "leaders" in DC is extra traffic on the way to work. The civil rights movement wouldn't have had the impact it did if the country wasn't going through turmoil and if the elites weren't scared shitless. That isn't the case now. Color me skeptical. If you aren’t challenging the laws they create by, for instance, breaking them en mass, or by challenging trade deals by disrupting the Senate hearings and causing massive civil disobedience and creating space for more participation from the public, basically pushing back and creating a fourth branch of government, nothing will change.
Eric @ 118:
Myopic thinking is the very Republican policy of enemy of my enemy is my friend. Arming and supporting the likes of bin Laden in Afghanistan to fight the soviets and Saddam to fight Iran when it suits its purposes and now Bush harboring/arming the terrorist organization (that's acc'd to our State Dept) known as Mujahedeen-e Khalq (MEK), that has killed U.S. soldiers and civilians in the past to attck Iran from Iraq.
THAT's myopic.
What the hell ever happened to Bush's "If you harbor terrorists, you are terrorists"?
Why do you assume that I'm a Republican?
Maybe she is wondering how she'll look in an orange jumpsuit.
Eric @ 123:
let me see .....
Eric @ 107:
What are you then? Not too many independents get so worked up into a froth about slick willy (just like I do about sorry ass Republicans)
FYI, I think Bill Clinton was a good President, but he certainly is not my hero. I'm certainly not looking forward to seeing his wife win the Democratic nomination.
Harboring terrorists? Obviously not including the terrorists in South Florida. One of whom has done multiple terrorists acts and was pardoned by Bush I almost as soon as he took over, thanks to the lobbying of his son Jeb.
Eric, do you realize that the Saudis are supporting groups with money and weapons more than twice as much as any Iranian group. YOU think critically. Why aren't the elites in Washington banging the table to attack Saudi Arabia? The whole thing is a charade, if you can't see it the only logical, though not moral, excuse you'd have is if you are economically benefiting from the swindle. Otherwise wake the hell up. I don't know if you're a Republican or not. If you're in favor of bombing Iran you're taking the side of killers and you're attacking the largest (and youngest) pro-democracy movement in the region.
Clarification, the Saudis are supporting groups in Iraq attacking US soldiers more than twice as much as Iranians. Here's an article about it, with the US military admiting as much. It's all a sham:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2006-12-08-saudis-sunnis_x.htm
That Code Pink lady took one hell of a risk confronting Condoleeza. If she had accidentally smeared any of that red stuff on Condi's cute fashionable outfit; the Secret Service would have broken that woman's arms in several places.
"would further isolate the Islamic republic’s government by further distancing it from the international economy and discouraging its trading partners from continuing to do business with it…"
Yeah they'll have to get what they want from China and Russia. And sell their oil reserves to China and Russia Condi-dumass.
mrogi Says:
Condoleeza has the balls to stand up to those bedsheet wearing bandits.
BWAHAHAHAHA! Stop it you're killing me! But Condi-sleazi has balls eh? Maybe that's why "Georgie worst president in history" likes her so much
Have they announced the draft yet? or will it just be young brown men "on the path to citizenship"?
mrogi @ 11:
Huh? US leaders wear bedsheets? Who would have thunk it? The US seems to be acting like a rogue nation right now. Get outta our way, do what we want, or else. Isn't gonna work.
mrogi @ 11:
Oh yeah, because Dumbya and his henchmen have done such wonderful things with the dollar.
These sanctions are imposed by the executive branch on the American people? Isn't that contrary to the separation of power? And if so, could an American citizen disobey under the guise that this is not a law passed by congress?
mrogi @ 11:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html
Oh indeed, and it should be kept in US dollars why ? ......... because they want to keep control ? F that, can't fix the game don't want to play and am going to cry about it ......... go home and reap what you have sown.
Laughable, the US and the dollar is going down the pan for the same reason, ignorant, short sighted greed ... or as it's called The American Dream .......
The US doesn't like decent leaders, they either impeach them for trivial things or shoot them.
And the people voted for it, twice.
Funds were cut off "for Tehran’s alleged support for terrorism and nuclear weapons ambitions.
When will the Chinese, Russians, and American states do the same to the US government: They are alleged terrorists; and have illegally violated the NPT.
Worst speech ever! Thanks Condi!
At least Colin delivered his address with some semblance of conviction.
And thanks, Condi, for mentioning the Iranian banks. Thanks for spelling it out for us all.
Guess them "Rotten Childs" are none too pleased about the prospect of not owning every G*ddamned card on the Monolopy board.
Boo f*cking hoo!!
You like having your hands on the levers of power, dont you Condi?
Cant attack them, so provoke them. Soon as something crappy happens they can pin on Iran, bombs away.
Strawman says its cowardly to point this out from my keyboard.
"Iran has scorned our offers to (negotiate)"? That is genius, Condi!nTired genius unfortunately and the same crap you have all been spewing for the last 30 years. "Don't stand in the doorways, don't block up the halls.."
You're in the archives, y'all.
I feel like this is just some bad recurring ACID TRIP where everything is out of my control and I'm just about to stand in front of the Federal Buliding to protest another FUCKING WAR. When I was a kid in the "60's" my mother warned me not to take LSD, she said "you'll be having FLASHBACKS all your life". Now let's see there was Viet Nam.... Iraq .....& ????????. JCB
The invasion of Iraq was nothing but a cold and ruthless armed robbery. The world has caught on to this and sees Bush and Cheney for what they are - criminals with very powerful weapons.
The Iraqis understand their only hope for economic salvation is to control their own oilfields. Robbing a country of its oil resorces hasn't turned out to be the cakewalk they thought it would be. Now, is Bush so stupid as to think by bombing Iran, he will stabilize Iraq and therefore be able to continue with the armed robbery? Face reality Bush, you have been defeated. Wake up.
Extremist Jews, Extremist Christians, Extremist Muslims, Corporate & Military Industrial Corporations, running the world = WAR!
Face the facts people.
The Israeli government wants war.
Cheney, Bush & Haliburton want war.
Exxon wants war.
We WILL HAVE WAR!
And the democrats, like Feinstein, Lieberman, will cooperate.
And Pelosi & Reid will cooperate because they only have the 2008 election in mind.
The U.S.A. is on the HIGHWAY TO HELL. Enjoy the ride.
Condomsleazy had to do something authoritarian after being cross examined by Waxman. She has delusions of adequacy.
I just can't wait to get this cow out of office and in hand cuffs and load her ass into the nearest pen, where she belongs.
Why is the rich history between the US and Iran in the 20th century just so completely left out of this debate. The US/UK take out of a democratically elected prime minister in the 1950s due to his inclination to nationalize the Iranian oil industry is something important for people to know about. Our installation of the Shah in the 50s created an Iran that looked a lot like Iraq's Saddam/Baath rules regime. This created a ripe environment for religions extremists to take the country over tin the 1970s. This is important background information that has to go along with any story associated with the brewing conflict with Iran.
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Thanks Senator Hillary.
It's almost as if she knew what war she's bought for her presidency... NO?
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I have trouble recognizing Condi when there's no chicks with red hands around her...
When wil the people of CT recall this guy?
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