Laura Bush respecting the culture of the Middle East
By John Amato Friday Oct 26, 2007 12:03pm
I wonder how long it will take for Laura Bush to be attacked over this. Respecting customs of other cultures seems to be a horrible thing for some. I remember when Nancy Pelosi had the audacity to show some respect and the righties barked.
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did she yahoo?
That's gonna give W a woody......eeeeeeeeewwww Now I have to go take a shower.
It's a message from her husband apologizing for blaming the Arabs for 9/11 when actually Rumsfelf and Cheney spearheaded the operation.
Not Long
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/26/laura-bush-scarf-ii/
Not to worry, Mr. Amato. St. Laura Stepford will get a pass from the rabid right on this.
Lets see and the Coultergeist was afraid of wearing a burqa under Clinton?
laura finally shows who her real friends are.
She did the same trick for the Pope
C**t! Oh, wait... is that not allowed? Mea Culpa.
Well I know it's not a popular thing to say, but I would support GW or any rightwingnut if they actually started making sense... I mean if GW suddenly came out supporting healthcare for all that would be good (of course by now he's proven so untrustworthy it would take more than words)
Ms. Bush respecting another culture is a good step, albeit a baby one.
I would call it being courteous.....but that's just me...
I'm sure the Right will spin it as Laura Bush was just trying on her Halloween costume and wanted to wear something particularly scary this year.
The single biggest cultural problem on the entire planet is the complete lack of respect, no, disdain, that American non-culture has for all other cultures on the planet. The best that America has to say about another culture is that 'it's quaint'; the worst is that America tries to liquidate and dilute cultures that it finds don't fit in with it's ideology. Hard words? Yes, but true.
George makes her wear it whenever Jefffy-Lube isn't around and there's no more coke.
Priorities, you see.
This is a non-issue except as fodder for the media wars. But, hey, fire all the guns. Cuz the other side is still shooting.
You know, if someone like Barbara Lee (think Jane Fonda here, guys) had gone to the ME and been photographed in a hijab, you can bet our right wing hissy fitters would be all over it as representing the left's willingness to sleep with the enemy.
I realize this is pure speculation, but there sure is a lot of circumstantial evidence out there to indicate that my guessing is right. I'm glad Laura Bush did this. It's about time someone in her husband's camp did a little actual reaching out to understand critical differences.
Respecting other cultures is anathema to the right wing. It undermines the need for self-glorification that is at the heart of conservative thought.
blahsay @ 10:
yes and pigshits a lovely thing to see!
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Right she is respecting the Muslim culture alright!
Sorry, wearing a scarf aroung your head, does not mean you are respecting anything.
She fully supports her husband bombing the crap out of the Islamic culture and this is SHOWTIME.
show me a picture of lauras bush!
There is nothing “modest” about Bush or his wife; therefore, I view this as “patronization”:
3 : to be a frequent or regular customer or client of
— pa•tron•i•za•tion \ˌpā-trə-nə-ˈzā-shən, pa-\ noun
— pa•tron•iz•ing•ly \ˈpā-trə-ˌnī-ziŋ-lē, ˈpa-\ adverb
Many Muslims believe that the Islamic holy book, the Qur'an, and the collected traditions of the life of Muhammed, or hadith, require both men and women to dress and behave…. “modestly” …..in public. However, this requirement, called hijab, has been interpreted in many different ways by Islamic scholars (ulema) and Muslim communities (see Women and Islam); the burqa is not specifically mentioned in the Quran.
Oh my god, it's happened. The first lady is wearing a head scarf! The terrorists have taken over!
Soon we'll all be wearing burkas. ;)
tyree @ 20:
Please don't frighten the children.
the connies always move on after a repub does something. If a Democrat does it they keep mentioning it for weeks
omg - a bush showing respect.
Does she sing the song too?
AbbeyHoffmansGhost @ 23:
i am ashamed of my self!
Laura Bush is a Dhimmi.
Reminds me of Alan Watts and the oneness of opposites. The similarity of islamo and christo fascism is just in the name of the god they're sure is the one true one. Style points are the only difference between cheney and bin Laden.
AbbeyHoffmansGhost @ 13:
It's not quite that. It's more about the "we're number-one" mentality that permeates in the way Americans interact with foreigners that grates so much (that's why Borat was so brilliant). Most Americans actually mean well and don't realize how and why they disrespect other cultures. Since marketing and consumerism are such juggernauts in the U.S., we tend to use those as benchmarks of progress and success. Actually much of the world buys into this, easily demonstrated by the global success of U.S. entertainment and many U.S. brands. Implicitly Americana is sold as something to aspire for, to detriment of local cultures. The "American Dream" is not available to most (that would require 4 earth's worth of resources), yet it's in people's face all the time, no matter what corner of the world they reside. It should be no surprise when the resentment sometimes turns violent.
She's trying on her Halloween costume...it'll get a big laugh at the party.
If Pickles were really going to respect the culture she'd burn/disfigure herself like some women do in Afghanistan.
"I wonder how long it will take for Laura Bush to be attacked over this."
Forever.
We all know that thing like this are only "bad" when Dems/libs do them.
How do you spell hypocrite?
C-O-N-S-E-R-V-A-T-I-V-E
It's not about respect. It's that both of them are doormats, so they fit right in to a part of the world where women are subservient to men.
Right Wing Enraged: Laura Bush Is A ‘Butt-Kisser’ For Wearing Headscarf In Mideast
Yeah this is a good idea, be supportive of abuse to women...... GO AMERICA!!
If only she'd cover her smug expression too..
Sorry John this is misguided. This isnt about hypocrisy, its about social darwinist thugs attacking their enemy. By dealing with this issue as one of hypocrisy, you expose the expectation of rational behavior. That is in my opinion a mistake. These people must be known for who and what they are. They are - in my opinion - zero sum social darwinists (ZSSD's) who will attack anyone and anything do anything or say anything to accomplish their ends - that is win.
You lend them too much credibility to even mention hypocrisy. Their attacks on Pelosi were just that - attacks. The point wasnt the way Pelosi was dressed, the point was the attack. They were doing what ZSSD's do not what rational people with a valid point do.
They are not misguided but otherwise reason based humans - which is what your tack implies. They are predators and must be discussed in those terms.
Tough crowd.
Look, its not whether Laura Bush covered her head or not. Its the hypocrisy of the Right. Or at least I thought it was...
Laura Shrub gets criticized for wearing a covering over her empty head ; yet no one utters a peep when the Chimpster wears a ridiculous beanie missing its propeller for Rosh Hashanah .
How come it's okay to show respect to Israel/the Jews , which includes a derogatory description of those that are anti-Israeli ; yet all you hear in regards to Islam are negative connotations , especially those always sputtered out by our imbecile in the Oval Office , all the time ?
All religions are eq
So because Muslims treat their women like cattle we should respect a Western woman allowing herself to be treated like a cow as well? Tolerance of intolerance is not enlightened thinking. It's dangerous.
tyree @ 26:
You should be tyree. :lol:
Sorry , The last sentence should read
"All religions are equally ridiculous and their message has been perverted"
Johnny2Bad @ 38:
I honestly think that those that see this as hypocrisy dont get it. They are attacking - their aim isnt consistent and reasoned behavior - their aim is to inflict harm and to win.
To assume hypocrisy also assumes that they are wrong (incorrect). They arent. They know what they are doing. It isnt relevant that they have two standards - their standards are them or us and your not one of them so you get attacked. You couldnt string their attacks together into anything resembling a consistent expression of their philosophy. They are individual 'shots' at an adversary intended to do harm. They are not engaged in a 'debate' of grand ideas. They are involved in a street fight and they are trying to open your belly so they can pull your guts onto the pavement.
As an aside, my sisters ex-husband was like this. Whenever he wanted to see the woman he was cheating with he would start an irrational argument which he knew my sister HAD to disagree with and then he would loudly declare that he had to leave (to go directly to his girlfriend) rather that endure my sisters position. (My sister being left confused and hurt) Entirely irrational, but then that wasnt the point. He was shifting the blame to her for something he had already decided to do. This isnt exactly the same, except in that it demonstrates what can be done when the 'other party' doesnt understand what is being done.
These people are attacking/fighting not debating. Hypocrisy isnt the point, just a symptom or side effect.
(Sorry to be wordy)
carn @ 40:
And what are the odds that everyone will become an Agnostic or an Atheist ?
Because there is no monotheistic religion that believes women are the equal of men .....
funkyfresh @ 4:
Think Progress is mistaken - I think. Those links appear to be to disparate groups. They appear to range from social conservatives (who would push personal rights issues along with social liberals - reason based) to fascists (unipolarists) who expect the world to bend to their will.
And in anycase, the response appears to be fairly limited.
Wearing the veil is not showing respect, it is showing submission.
Not that there's anything wrong with demanding submission. Do we let people wearing the full-tilt burqa drive cars? The police cannot see if the driver can see or is blindfolded, so no, we do not allow that. We need to see that the driver can see. We demand submission to our safety rules. We demand submission to our traffic laws.
At the same time, there's nothing wrong with defying someone demanding we kiss their ass just to show we're submissive. If she's going to a country full of misogynistic male-supremacists, she has a choice of kissing their asses or slapping their faces.
anon @ 43:
We're not conservatives. We don't mind a little intellect.
Dr. Matt @ 34:
WOW. Turning Islam into some kind of monsterous religion that subjugates women. HA!
What do these pictures have in commong?
http://www.abc.net.au/melbourne/stories/A_new_pers_m1093832.jpg
http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/1353622.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD...
They're all picture of Orthodox Jewish women.
So it's ok for Jews to "subjugate women", eh? lol
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/06/white-house-celebrates-rosh-hashanah... thanks Dr Matt for the link...here is something you might be interested in... Dr. Matt @ 34:
Can't wait for the xenophobic hypocrites to come scurrying out from the woodwork on this one.
Lady laura may not give a rat's ass about someone else's cultural trappings, especially if they are Muslim, however she at least "pretends" that she respects them.
funkyfresh @ 4:
So the rethuglicans suddenly care about Muslim women's rights? Why is it that the xenophobic wingnuts think they have the knowledge to interpret other cultures' customs? What someone views as subjugation another views as modesty. What's wrong with modesty? That's the problem with the xenophobic wingnuts, they attack, like Anon said, for the sake of attacking. When a "furrnerrrr" comes to the U.S. the rethuglicans howl "this is America. When you're in YOUR country, you can do whatever the heck you want, but as long as you're in OUR country, you'll do as we do".
funkyfresh @ 4:
What are these christofascists afraid of? Are they so insecure in their religious mythology that they cannot accept that others may have religious beliefs that differ from theirs?
So emblematic of the idiocy that has infected and so-damaged our once great country!
So if I follow the right wing haters logic, the Muslim men in the link bellow are being subjugated too, right? Who's subjugating them? Muslim Women? lol
Just goes to show that the wingers have no idea what they're talking about.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/laurabushsaudiking.jpg
You will NEVER see this on the MSM despite everyone of them showed Nancy Pelosi when she put a scarf on while in Syria. Laura wears a burka in the country that was responsible for the deaths of 9/11. All but 4 murders of 9/11 were from SAUDI ARABIA. That's where Osama bin Forgotten is from and may well be living there right now.
Good show Laura. Just keep that black tablecloth over your head when you come back to America.
bill @ 54:
Bin Laden was kicked OUT of Saudi Arabia back in the late 90s by the Saudi government (the ruling monarchy). Saudi Arabia is as much responsible for 9/11 as the White House. You're blaming an entire country for the actions of a few men.
Dave @ 55:
I'd rather hold the Saudi's responsible than a country (i.e. Iraq or Iran) that didn't even attack us and had nothing to do with 9/11 or terrorism.
Laura Boosh looks good in black.
Take a hint, God.
tyree @ 26:
I wonder if they make a bush burqua?
Um...the First Lady is actually doing the right thing here. She's respecting the culture of the country she's visiting. Something all too few Americans did even before the Bush administration. Whether you agree with all of another culture's traditions and values or not, when you travel to another culture's homeland, you get two choices: (1) respect the local culture or (2) be an ignorant ass.
If you think Laura should have "slapped" her hosts instead of respecting their culture, then you are already on the same wavelength as the President, the Vice President and all too many of their advisers, who all think that foreign cultures can be ignored or redesigned to suit US interests.
unfrozencaveman @ 29:
Although I won't dismiss your hypothesis I will say that the storied history of this nation started with and continues to this day to be the total dismissal of Native American culture. It was and in many instances still is considered as heathen and primitive which is tacit rejection. The same type of behavior has been and still is evident in this nation's dealings in third world nations. It's kind of like the mirage effect that IQ tests give, they are not a true reflection of anything but the constricts within the test itself and the same holds true of the differences in cultures. America is not the litmus test for the advancement of civilization.
If you can take it, go to:
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2007/10/mrs_bushs_peopl.html
That woman is vile, even more vile than Malkin and Coulter. I read what she wrote and a couple of the comments and felt like I needed to go take a bath.
That may be true, then how do you explain the fact that 11 out of the 14 hijackers (or some number close to that) were Saudi citizens?
The Saudi's are also supporting the Sunni's in Iraq who are killing our troops. A recent report said that there was much more Saudi influence in Iraq than there was Iranian. But our rightwing MSM doesn't talk about that. All they do is talk about Iran to help Bush sell his new war.
Dr. Matt @ 56:
Your response doesn't make any sense. You're dodging my question. Better luck next time, Dr. Matt.
"Ohhhh I see....like Little Red Riding Hood, except..you know, black."
Use a full one, so we don't have to look at your puss any longer.
There was a time, in my young lifetime, when no "self-respecting" woman would go into a Christian church without covering her head. If you visit great Cathedrals in Europe, you must wear long pants and women must cover their shoulders (formerly heads too). I mean is it that big a deal. It's a diplomatic politeness. Nancy Pelosi should not have been maligned, nor should Laura Bush. Well, not for this, but we can malign her for plenty else!!
I live in Asia and practice all kinds of customs I wouldn't in Canada. It's only being polite.
When diplomacy (and politeness) end, war begins.
Mike Malloy and his wife always portray Laura Bush as such a heartless racist, maybe she's not as bad as they think she is.
Dave says:
So Dave, care to address my post about the 911 hijackers being Saudi's?
Kate Henry @ 69:
They were Saudis because Osama obviously still has ties to the "old country", as it were.
Keep in mind, he was kicked out of Saudi Arabia, but that doesn't mean his ties were severed.
From your response, though, it sounds as if you're implying that there's "something" going on in Saudi Arabia, you know, as far as the religious teachings that are taking place, that caused these men to carry out the attacks. Are you simply being politically correct?
I know quiet well that some Saudi clerics in Saudi Arabia teach an extremely radical form of Islam, but to make that broad generalization about the entire country is, well, it's not like many people on this blog. Most on here see through that. Was I wrong in my assessment?
Nonetheless, consider the following piece of information, because we're all open minded adults who are merely after the truth (right?):
The flight manifests include not one Arabic sounding name, not one! None of them, to this day, list any of the "hijackers". Additionally, the FBI came up with the list of 19 hijackers a mere five (5) days after 9/11. It was on 9/16 that the names were announced. I'm impressed. Just five days.
Why are people willing to question the white house's evidence against Iran and Iraq, but when it comes to 9/11, all reason goes out the window. It's as if emotions take over and all the facts are ignored.
Personally, I believe a new investigation into 9/11 is required, preferably by an independent body. Those responsible should be held accountable, be it Bin Laden, the Saudi monarch, or the White House.
When the hell is she and her disturbed husband going to show some respect to their own country?
blahsay @ 10:
So lauratherobot covered her hair out of respect for another culture. BFD What is she doing to respect her own country? Not a damned thing that I can see.
Am I the only one who wonders what lauratherobot does with her time? She is not sponsoring any kind of project to improve life or help others in the us as other First Ladies in the past have done. I picture her sitting on her ass, watching soap operas and eating bonbons all day. she is a total waste of oxygen and space.
To all you rethug pigs who will attack me for denigrating your st lauratherobot, I say BITE ME!! Bwaahaahaahaaaa
tyree @ 20:
EEEEEWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!
I think everyone has to ask themselves the obvious question, "Why does Laura Bush HATE America so much?"
The first press picture of her on her mideast breast cancer awareness tour show her sitting on a long couch with 3 or 4 arab women in burkas. What was Laura wearing, legs crossed, looking for all the world like she was doing the intelligent thing??? a yellow pantsuit!!!...........Need I say more?
Y'all are behind the curve. The righty nutjobs have been screeching about this for days.
My opinion is that Laura is showing some penance for that kid she murdered when she was young.
Pat Robertson told me this is how i can convert 600 million mulism.
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