Democrats Debate In Philly: Kucinich Calls For Reality in Iraq and Impeachment Of President Bush!
By Logan Murphy Monday Oct 29, 2007 9:00pm
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After being snubbed for some fifteen minutes in tonight's Democratic Presidential Debate, Rep. Dennis Kucinch breaks his MSNBC-imposed silence by railing on the Bush administration's war rhetoric on Iran. Kucinich not only called for Democrats to reject any movement toward war with Iran, he went on to call for the impeachment of President Bush. If the media was looking for a candidate to set themselves apart from the "front runners," Kucinich did just that.
Kucinich: " Tim, we're here in Philadelphia, the birthplace of democracy. I want to know when this Democratic Congress is going to stand up for the Constitution and hold the president accountable with Article 2, Section 4 an impeachment act. I think that our democracy is in peril and unless the Democrats and the Congress stand up for the Constitution, we are going to lose our country."
Now THAT'S what I'm talkin' about!
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impeach somebody!
...and watch the congress and MSM ignore it.
Yeah. I never thought I'd say this...but he's got my vote. He's the only one unequivocally against the war. And now, to say the I-word for bush...finally!!! Dennis, here's a vote in Virginia.
Where the hell was the applause on calling for impeachment???
he appears to have the biggest set of balls, but could he win???
Holy crap, Batman!!! Nancy must be having panic attacks in her Georgetown condo.
The mouth-breathing-knuckle-draggers are going to be all over this tomorrow.
Mouth-Breathing-Knuckle-Draggers:see; Republican, Neo-con.
def: One whose views lean towards the
extreme right. A malcontent.
:see; Dipshit.
Yeah Impeach for history's sake and for the future "commanders in chief" so they know there is some limit to what they can do.
That includes democrats too! Stop the madness, we are a nation of laws!
Best person running. Right on Dennis.
Kucinich has been consistent in his message. He has been pushing the impeachment thing. I think that he is right. Nancy and Harry are too wimpy to stand up for the constitution.
Guess what? We're going to lose our country, already have lost it to the Corps & the neoCons. The Dems are part of the problem, just write your "Democratic" about the pressing issues of the day and see what kind of canned response you get.
Kucinich is the sh*t!
john bourne harbour @ 4:
No. The Dems are not wimpy, they're sold out. Keep up a good front of an opposition and let the facists rule and you get a piece of the pie, right?
Kucinich for President!
What's with the end of the 2nd section of the debate.
"Now we're going to have a special section on religion" "Obama, what do you think about people calling you Osama" And that's it for that. Now to a commercial. That was really stupid.
Also, why is every question about Clinton (even the ones directed at her). Nobody can talk about their issues except by framing them in the context of Clinton's. I love that they made Iran such a big issue, but the constant attention on Clinton built into every question is getting really annoying.
NBC isn't doing well at all.
YAH KUCINICH! THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING BOUT YO RIGHT THERE!!
Kucinich is da' man ...........
Vote Kucinich!
The applause was deafening
Right on, Dennis. Also, consider: Laugh Bush out of the White House
Since Mr. Bush has become quite testy in recent days, and since he does not really seem to be enjoying himself much in the White House, he probably just needs a little encouragement to leave the premises permanently.
So if we each take just fifteen seconds every Saturday to laugh Bush out of the White House, it may be the beginning of the end for his miserable regime.
If you're not up to fifteen long seconds of laughter in public, make a little sign that says "Laugh Bush out of the White House" (LBOOTWH) LBOOTWH and put it on your lapel. Put a sign in your car's side window (if it's behind the driver, it won't obstruct vision) or put one in a front window or your house or apartment. Or make and print out a bumper strip on your computer. Or send Emails to young and old, Ha, ha, ha, Laugh Bush out of the White House, ha, ha, ha. This is a great opportunity to practice different kinds of laughs. Low bassy laughs or high snickers, your choice. Divisive laughs. Derisive laughs. Sneers. Remember, "Practice makes Perfect." Many of us have not had much to laugh about in the 21st century; so, maybe, this will be our chance to laugh to take back America.
Eventually, even the extremely dense Mr. Bush may finally get the message and head south to the vast pampas of Paraguay. There is a lot of brush that needs cutting, down there, Sir. Those Paraguayan pampas grasses are very overgrown and could use some serious trimming, Sir.
Please feel free to copy and spread this message across America: from Sea to shining Sea. Let America return to being Beautiful again.
john bourne harbour @ 4:
Yes. He can if he gets the nomination. After President Constitution Shredder there is not one Republican who can beat any Democrat for President. Vote for Kucinich in the Primary and watch Congress wake the fuck up!
AMEN SISTA
We seriously need to get this guy in the White House.
The only horse in the race that gets it right! Impeachment isn't about getting Bush it's about protecting America and the American way of life!
Yeah. Kucinich is rapidly rising in my estimation.
And Hillary can go get fucked. Triangulating milquetoast.
"Oh! He is unelectable."--You say.
Yeah most people are idiots. I am voting for him anyway. At least my conscience is clear. May the best man win.
Stay strong Dennis!
"Never do anything against conscience even if the state demands it."
-Einstein
"Choose your leaders with wisdom and forethought. To be led by a coward is to be controlled by all that the coward fears. To be led by a fool is to be led by the opportunists who control the fool. To be led by a thief is to offer up your most precious treasures to be stolen. To be led by a liar is to ask to be lied to. To be led by a tyrant is to sell yourself and those you love into slavery."--OCTAVIA BUTLER
Alright Dennis! Vote for him in the primaries!
I Completely agreed with what he said. He is somewhat similar to Ron Paul in the Republican side. I wish them both Good Luck in the Election.
+1 for Kucinich
"let freedom ring"... the Man is on fire!
kaT @ 10:
............ along those lines I sent an email to Harry Reid's office imploring him to uphold the hold and explaining that there is a separation of powers and you have caved into the White House repeatedly, I muss've mentioned Senator Dodd's name several times. I got a response back and the canned reply was about SIGNING STATEMENTS and Reid's objection to them. I juss get the feeling that they don't even care what the rabble thinks and that Congress is now of by and for the corporations and their interests and constitutional protections are how would Abu Gonalez put it? QUAINT.
rtemp @ 22:
hear hear my brotha'
Finally.
Kucinich has a nice FLILF.
First Lady I'd like to Fu#$
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xoites defends Constitution @ 20:
Ron Paul would beat Hillary. The closest race would be between Paul n Kucinich.
I hope he doesn't fly on any small planes.
kaT @ 10:
Your right! it's gotten to the point where the only way to save our democracy is to wipe it out, not violently or anything like that but clear the slate - get rid of the Dems and the Repugs and start fresh...Tabula Rasa - then we start not by eliminating the separation of Church and State but you add a separation of Corporation and State. This would stop lobbyists this would stop corporations from being considered persons, this would stop the direction our burning country is headed in and it would give us hope...
hope...the one thing that corporate America and the political parties don't want us to have.
Kucinich: ” Tim, we’re here in Philadelphia, the birthplace of democracy.
Reality check.
The concept of democracy first appeared in Ancient Greek political and philosophical thought. The philosopher Plato contrasted democracy, the system of "rule by the governed", with the alternative systems of monarchy (rule by one individual), oligarchy (rule by a small élite class) and timarchy (rule by one race or nationality over another).
other than that it was refreshing to hear some say impeachment :)
Truth Be Told @ 36:
I find it diffucult to fathom the Republicans nominating Paul.
Thank you Dennis Kucinich! It's about fucking time somebody started speaking the truth at these so called "debates". Why the hell isn't the debate being shown on the networks? I think I know the answer to that question, but Bill Moyers will have more info about that on "The Bill Moyers Journal" on PBS this coming Friday night.
Gekke @ 39:
Perhaps he meant to say, ”Tim, we’re here in Philadelphia, the birthplace of American democracy."
ahhh..the voice of one crying in the wilderness....falling on deaf ears...be prepard...bush and cheney arn't leaving...
Both Kucinich & Ron Paul seem to be the reasoned candidates. Ironically, both are deep outsiders. What does that say about the state of politics?
Such a shame that the "gate crashers" of the progressive movement spent the summer convincing their readership that Kucinich is "unelectable".
Gekke @ 39:
I think he meant modern democracy, but you have a good point.
I wonder what this country is going to do if these two knuckleheads in power try and pull a presidential coup? I know nobody has any idea what to do if that happens, Bush and Cheney could certainly do it (it's not beyond them) and they have a private army to fight for them, a private army that could be in a lot of trouble if these two boobs ever leave office. not to mention the 23% who will stand by these criminals no matter what!
But, on a positive note, I believe in my country and my countrymen (don't ask me why) AND I believe that a presidential coup would be the end of the Republican party for ever...and that's not to bad a deal.
Beelzebud @ 45:
Hmmmmm. You got to wonder why?
Operation Mockingbird come to roost again? Cointelpro-like DLC-sponsored keyboard commandos?
And this is why the Presstitutes always try their hardest to minimize Kucinich's time on the air. They know that the more people hear him, the more people will vote for him. And that scares him all the way down to their kneepads.
er, him -> them
All I heard was "Constitution... International law... Impeachment... Constitution..." Wash, rinse, repeat. What the hell does intl law have to do with the Constitution?
Kucinich is a loser and has the support to prove it.
Kucinich sees what's going on and he wants to bring back the country our founders imagined.
Forget Nancy and Harry for help. They've already sold out.
BC @ 43:
Absolutely nothing. It speaks volumes on the media that ignores them and Gravel.
Stan @ 50:
When our government signs a treaty of international law, our Constitution states that it becomes the law of our land.
That's what it has to do with the Constitution.
ecthompson @ 9:
He has been consistent, but this statement is a rarity to hear in debate.
Web Geek @ 53:
Show me that treaty.
stan, why do you hate america? im sure your radical muslim brothers would welcome you back to the mutha land.
I am a huge bigot when it comes to short people, or, as I like to call them, shorties. They are all guilty until proven innocent. Dumbya is one, and he turned out to be a nearly human-sized douche nozzle. DK is "one of the good ones." He could be like Napoleon, but a good guy.
Nice to see someone have the balls to address the elephant in the room (ahem :-) ).
So now we'll get to see whether the MSM reports Kucinich's comments or not.
Which do you think is more likely:
A: The MSM note Kucinich's comments and start a discussion of the war and impeachment.
B: They report Kucinich's comments but state they're a left-wing fringe view that can't win and most Americans don't support.
C: They ridicule Kucinich, but for other comments or behaviors ("He believes in *space aliens* - and he thinks *Bush* is crazy!"), thus implicitly ridiculing his position on impeachment and the illegality of the war - but carefully not mentioning it at all.
D: They ignore Kucinich completely.
E: Something else
I'm hoping for A. :-)
Thanks for modeling leadership and character, Rep. Kucinich. Every time someone - any of us - does that, we reclaim a little bit of our country.
BTW, Bush is easily diagnosed as mentally ill - just lookup "antisocial personality disorder" and "symptoms." Diagnosis code is 301.7 in the DSM-IV.
Ha! I love America, and would hate to see it wasted away wtih statism from socialists like you and neocons like Bush.
Stan @ 55:
Article VI, paragraph 2 actually stipulates on the issue: "...all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution [of any State] or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
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stan, it sounds like you hate what this country stands for... your kool-aid carrying form is perfect! I'll give you a 10!
Yes!! Dennis is the ONLY Presidential candidate who is in tune with this country. But because of the way television and the papers work, he'll get shunted aside and we'll end up with the same shit we've had since 2000, only with a different name and party label.
web_geek @ 59:
I know the Constitution. Show me the ratified treaty that takes away our sovereignty in the name of international feel-goodiness.
web_geek @ 59:
below_me @ 61:
I stand for the same things our founders stood for... free markets and free people, free from government intrusion, which you guys have no problem with as long as it comes from a Democrat.
Stan @ 63:
Look up the UN Charter. It was and is an illegal war.
I think Dennis would have a good chance if he had a 10mil war chest. I would pledge a $100 if he could collect 10000 more pledges of $100. If he could start somthing like this I think it would take off. Look at Dod he stood up and raised 15000 over night. And to think Cliniten sold out for 87k to the telcoms. Cheep cheep.
Vote your hopes in the primary and your fears in the final one!
Dodd for President!
Stan @ 65:
When did Republicans get addicted to glue?
Stan #63 you seemed confused. Any treaty we engage in requires that we takeit seriously, andif we chose to ignore it to express our "sovereignity" then we break the law. We've signed an international treaty that we wont torture. We're now breaking that law.
Stan @ 65:
Bullshit again, you don't read this blog much do you?
You're obviously a Ann Rand-cryto-facsist, who wants to derail this thread. Ignore him please.
Beelzebud @ 44:
Yes I noticed that Beelzebud and could not understand it. I suppose he will not be "allowed" to be nominated or if he is the same type of people who took care of JFK and Bobby will make sure he comes to the same fate.
Bless him for at least saying it like it is.
Seeing a UFO means that you saw an object flying that you couldn't identify. Nothing more or less.
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so its much more logical to impeach a prez for lying about a bj in the oval office and allowing a gaggle of crooks who have raped the treasury of this great nation in order to enrich a few of their pals and have used an illegal war, torture and illegal wiretaps to do it
god, you wingnuts fuckin kill me
every single one of you is an evil bastard who rejoices in the destruction of this once great country
Utterly impeccable logic, and the scum on the stage with him just shrug it off as quaint populism.
CHIMPEACH!
Stan @ 50:
Treaties are the highest law in this country.
That is what int'l law and our constitution have to do with each other.
...and Kucinich has won at every level, local, state and federal and has served in all three branches!
He is not ever a loser.
...think about it for a bit.
The UN Charter is a treaty granted... but active defense of a nation is very legal, based upon what was known then. We can't arbitrarily and retroactively make things illegal.
And what's wrong with freedom... as in free markets and free people??? How is that fascism?
Stan @ 65:
So does Kucinich. Wake up. Corporate greed is not free market economics. And we are slaves to the corporations. Government is the tool with which we must reclaim our sovereignty. If you think keeping our drinking water clean is not the job of our government, then Ron Paul is your guy. That's why Libertarians are out of the loop and Kucinich is a Democrat.
Kuch looked much more presidential tonight. He was animated, yet focused. I'm glad he didn't whip out his pocket constitution this time. But the media has already marginalized him and the sheeple will doze on.
it nice....but dennis is just trying to get noticed
so he will get tons of air time tonite and tomorrow as the wingnuts say that he cant be trusted with the nation's security
and listen closely as they start a new domino theory
iran goes nuke, then the saudis, then egypt
the fact remains, as shown in the frontline special, it is the bush administration's fault that the current regime is in power....and they wanted it that way, for the only way to continue the military industrial complex is to bring back the cold war
Article 2 Section 4 sez: The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. My only beef with Kuncinich is his "f" rating with Gun Owners of America...meaning he's following the Constitution in response to the criminal Executive, yet complicit with the gun grabbers on the 2nd Ammendment??? Please vote for Hillary so that we can all feel like background actors working with Richard Burton in "1984", he he..Vote Ron Paul..
Ain't any other candidates going this way?
No, well then the little man with the pretty wife gets my vote and my money.
If it ain't impeachment it ain't shit.
STAN meet RANDY, RANDY meet STAN.
Little man, big balls.
Hillary is part of the problem.
Hillary rhymes with Bush, the establishment candidate and choice of big businesses all over the world.
Stan @ 50:
You need to read Jefferson's writings on treaties and international relations.
I'm proud to have a Kucinich '08 bumper sticker on my truck window. He's the ONLY real politician who serves his constituents. Go Dennis! You should be the next Prez!!!!!
Yes, but Kos said "Ugh"! Didn't you get the memo?
Stan @ 63:
Sovereignty? You're a horse's ass.
Here's a beginner for you:
The United Nations Charter was concluded “to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind” and the United Nations was established with the purposes:
1. To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;
2. To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;
Article 2(3) requires that all members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered and Article 2(4) requires that all members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations.
The ICJ in the Nicaragua case was in no doubt as to the status of the prohibition on the use of force: [9]
“The Court finds that both Parties take the view that the principles as to the use of force incorporated in the United Nations Charter correspond, in essentials, to those found in customary international law…. They therefore accept a treaty-law obligation to refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations…
http://www.globelaw.com/Iraq/Preventive_war_after_iraq.htm
I'm not doing your homework for you tonight.
Che's Lounge @ 81:
Government should be limited. I fear an Orwellian state, which has no competitors, versus huge monopolies where competition is at least possible and they don't have the force of law. Your Marxist rhetoric is unsettling... Stalin, Mao, Castro, they're all horrible.
Kudos to Kucinich for calling for impeachment. I'm tired of the excuses people like Nancy Pelosi and Bernie Sanders use against impeachment
Dennis Kucinich on good jobs:
"My first act in office will be to notify the appropriate parties that the United States is pulling out of NAFTA and the WTO. We will return to a system of bilateral trade based on worker rights, human rights and environmental protection."
Meanwhile, much of the rest of the candidates will tell you that free trade is working, even though year after year huge trade deficits tell us otherwise. Those huge trade deficits represent surpluses elsewhere, which some of it comes back to purchase stock in corporations. So our multi-national corporation is increasingly under multi-national ownership, and your corporate owned candidate isn't necessarily entirely owned by Americans anymore.
Stan @ 63:
And let's forget law for a moment.
How about considering stupid and dangerous? Does that mean nothing?
Stan @ 80:
If I were Hillary I would've walked over and *bitch slapped* Tim Russert
could Dennis win? Against Rudy? are you kidding? He would tear him up. UFOs to Wearing a dress? hmmmm?
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Our country is in the shitter because mooks like you elected a freekin' goombah to the highest office in the land. Way to go, asshat. And you have the audacity to call liberals 'morons'.
jr. I agree with you! I want someone in the House to move to remove Pelosi as Speaker of the House so that we put Impeachment Back on the Table!
#36 I thought of Wellstone just as I finished typing that!
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Chimpy lost the 2000 popular vote and was selected , not elected , turdburglar ; and since then , he has lost 2 wars , built up a $1 trillion dollar deficit , politicized and divided the entire government and country , and taken the US as the most respected and admired and trusted country on the face of the Earth and turned it into the most despised , least respected and most untrustworthy nation in the world.
Shrub couldn't "whip" cream , shitstain .........
why is no one upset about the marijuana answer here?
we are throwing so many people in jail and all those people up there wouldn't stand up for decriminalizing
Chimpy also would have lost in 2004 if Diebold hadn't tweaked the numbers in Florida and Ohio
web_geek @ 91:
WWII was in fact illegal per the League of Nations. Illegal for Hitler to attack and then still illegal for Britain to respond in kind.
So for you, I suppose a law's utter stupidity and complete lack of viability doesn't impact its justness, cause it's the law. Not that it was symbolic or anything, and not that any rational country would actually defend itself other than the reckless cowboy backwards America right?
If they admit they would "decriminalise" pot they look "weak on crime" which is why they were asking Dodd about that (or in fact just mentioning it so Dodd couldn't defend his position.
Stan @ 79:
Ah but your man junior is trying to give retroactive immunity to his buddies who broke the law with him.
Stan @ 65:
The problem is, you guys only like "free markets" when it works for corporations.
I've got news for you; there is no free market and the economy runs on the middle class.
Why you guys continue to vote against your own interests is beyond me. Why do you guys defend big pharma, insurance co's, etc? They don't give a crap about you! And you will defend them into the poor house. I will never understand that.
Stan @ 104:
Sorry, Stan, when did Iraq attack the U.S.?
Just wondering....
Kucinich said that he has seen a UFO. The good news is that will not cost him a single state, since he was not going to win even one before he got exposed for being a complete wacko.
web_geek @ 107:
Testify webgeek! Call that spade a spade!
the whole mythology of "free market" is crap. There is not open competition, which is what the whole thing is based on. The biggest companies have a lock on contracts and lobbiest to pass laws to screw the smaller companies out of business.
Even your holy"free market" is a lie under this administration... and you don't even get that much.
Stan @ 92:
What planet are you from , and why in the hell have you come to mine ?
When in hell has there ever been 'competition' when there exists a monpoly ?
Do you understand what the hell a "monopoly" is predicated upon , you tremendous ignoramus ?
It indicates a lack of competition , because they've been eliminated in one way or another.
A government is necessary to ensure that free enterprise and competition remain and that there is BALANCE ; because huge corporations have proven without doubt that they are greedy and untrustworthy to police themselves .............
You are not at all bright.
budda @ 102:
Well there are more pressing issues to debate about. But I guess I'm not one to speak since I grow my own and I'm not stupid enough to smoke a joint while driving or in other public situations and get caught.
Actually, ancient Greece is the birthplace of democracy. Ass.
But yeah, impeachment sounds good.
Stan @ 104:
illegal for britain to respond in kind??
when the fuck are you asshats gonna stop comparing what is going on now to ww2
there is no comparison....none
go take your ignorant arguments back to the freepers and redstate where they will laud you for your brilliance
here, you are a fucktard
Someone give Tweety a dictionary and read to him the definition of UNIDENTIFIED. It coulda been a fucking weather ballon for all Kucinich knew, but dipshit's making it sound like he claimed to have met a Klingon!
Stan @ 50:
They are the two sets of laws that defines the United States as a nation? You stupid or something?
web_geek @ 107:
So uh, have you thought about not shopping there? They like money, so stop giving it to them if you hate them. Don't force behavior punishment via taxes on them, they employ the 'workin man' too.
Timmeh!
Liam @ 109:
What is your point? I really don't understand the Kucinich bashing around here tonight. Jesus, of course he's not going to win in this fucked up system, but I'm still voting for him because he's the smartest, toughest, and most honest candidate we've had in a long time.
Kucinchand Dodd, or Dodd and Kucinich. Fine with me, the only two with the balls to take on the pathetic neocon assholes who are well on their way to ruinning our country.
Homer @ 74:
Not to derail this thread, but a lot of people have seen them. Many from our own military:
The Disclosure Project
Can't we all meet up in Iowa and work our tails off for Kucinich? He would be the best president we all know that. Did you notice Tim Russert had to bring up that UFO stuff, just in case people were starting to take Kucinich seriously.
And Kucinich is crazy for thinking he saw an unidentified form while a majority of Americans believe in a spiritual power from above. Our nation is fucked.
wait...so shirley macclaine writes that kucinich saw a ufo...so it must be true?
i havent read the book, was he visiting her before or after he got married?
if it was before, then lets all be honest, he wanted to get into shirley's pants
men will say anything to get layed
im voting for dennis...hes a man
yeah kucinich must be a wacko = he got the UFO question!!! i could care less about someone's opinion on UFOs. every other candidate got substantive questions and dennis gets a question on UFOs? WTF? what a disservice to a candidate the media continues to try to marginalize. his campaign folks should be furious.
Monopolies are not immune from competition. They can't outlaw it. I could still build and sell my own furniture even if there was such a thing as Big Furniture. You guys are too quick to give more power to the government... When you all know they won't give it back.
Gekke @ 38:
The birthplace of democracy was in Sumer, partially in the area now known as Iraq. Sumer was the first civilization and that is why they get designated as the "first" for many things including the concept of private property and democracy and modern agriculture. Maybe it didn't last very long but the first democracy was in Sumer not Greece.
Something that is so troubling with the electorate, including one person posting above, is the fact people in this country are always looking for who can win not what the candidate stands for. The whole " but can he win?" attitude is defeating the whole idea of democracy. YES he can win, if you vote for him!!
# 109 that's funny ... our own Air Force regularly reports UFO's... did Dennis say he saw little green men... if he did then they were flying out of your ass... just like your comments!
Stan @ 118:
They also take advantage of that self-same "working man" ; plus they also don't need to be rewarded with unconscionable tax breaks by the likes of Chimpy for already being wealthy and with tax loopholes that are unavailable to the "working man" who needs them more.......
Stan @ 79:
What does the question of impeachment of GWB have to do with "freedom?" Or "free markets and free people" or "facsism" for that matter? Talk about obfuscation.
Get a grip Stan.
UFO = nutcase
Jesu walking on water, healing lepers, rising from the dead, comes form virgin birth, son of God, coming back in the Rapture, to battle Satan, to lead us to pearly Gates and Streets of Gold, = Sane?
hmmmmm.
Dennis Kucinich is the first presidential candidate I've truly felt comfortable supporting 100%.
Mike Mid City @ 83:
I'm with ya bro.
Stan @ 118:
Oh. So now you're defending those poor widdle multinational companies fwom getting taxed! Poor widdle billionaires "forced" into acting responsibly! the horror! poor poor billionaires. Why "force" them into paying workers? just screw those laws and make them pay workers with alcohol if they wanted to, like the glory years of the industrial revolution! we don't want those workers getting their gwubby little hands on the billionaires dollars no sir!
Stan @ 127:
Hey stupid
Understand what the word "monopoly" means ; it means THERE IS NO COMPETITION , YOU MINDLESS SIMP.
The government should be there to make sure that doesn't occur and to maintain a decent BALANCE and opportunity for a real "free trade/free enterprise" system to exist ........
In order to impeach Cheney and Bush, we have to get rid of the Obstacle, and right now that is Pelosi. She can be forced to step down during session via House Rule IX. Heres how. Please read and pass on.
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2007/10/29/how-to-declare-the-speaker-se...
Vote Dennis
Hell if Kucinich doesn't get the Dem nomination , Pelosi should be removed and Dennis should be made Speaker ..........
He has the toughness she promised , and hasn't , and will not , deliver ..........
This is why everyone is afraid of Dennis, he speaks the TRUTH! He dared say the "I" word. Bless you Mr. K. If there's any justice, you'll be in the White House in 2009.
Stan talking about taxes on the rich as "behavior punishment"! What a joke. Stan you have had everyones share of the Koolaid!
I don't know if this poor Bastard has any chance of making it thru the primaries, but if he does he just got my vote or President.
Why IN THE HELL did this have to come from a minor candidate?
Why couldn't Barack have made this statement?
After seeing that, Dennis Kucinich should run for President!
What? He is running?
How come nobody knows about it?
What? Oh, right, nevermind.
Straight out of asshole school, are ya?
Obama and edwards both sounded better tonight. they are taking the DLC gloves off and going after hillary a bit more.
course, we see what that got Gravel....
Stan @ 127:
You're ignorance is showing.
You could build your own furniture. And "Big Furniture" would undersell you until you had to do something else to survive.
There is "monopoly in fact" and there is "monopoly in practice." Which are you refering to? Or are you intentionally trying to obfuscate the issue?
Also interesting that you are accusing people here of trying to give more power to government but the Republican party, with which you seem to have no problem, has been giving George Bush more and more power for the last 7 years. (Power which the constitution clearly prohibits.) Please reconcile this for me.
(I submitted this over 45 minutes ago, don't know why it never showed up. Guess that's one in the "Choice D" column...)
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Nice to see someone have the balls to address the elephant in the room (ahem :-) ).
So now we'll get to see whether the MSM reports Kucinich's comments or not.
Which do you think is more likely:
A: The MSM note Kucinich's comments and start a discussion of the war and impeachment.
B: They report Kucinich's comments but state they're a left-wing fringe view that can't win and most Americans don't support.
C: They ridicule Kucinich, but for other comments or behaviors ("He believes in *space aliens* - and he thinks *Bush* is crazy!"), thus implicitly ridiculing his position on impeachment and the illegality of the war - but carefully not mentioning it at all.
D: They ignore Kucinich completely.
E: Something else
I'm hoping for A. :-)
Thanks for modeling leadership and character, Rep. Kucinich. Every time someone - any of us - does that, we reclaim a little bit of our country.
BTW, Bush is easily diagnosed as mentally ill - just lookup "antisocial personality disorder" and "symptoms." Diagnosis code is 301.7 in the DSM-IV.
McMetal talks about getting rid of Pelosi... this is how you do it.
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2007/10/29/how-to-declare-the-speaker-se...
Vic Says.....Something that is so troubling with the electorate, including one person posting above, is the fact people in this country are always looking for who can win not what the candidate stands for. The whole ” but can he win?” attitude is defeating the whole idea of democracy. YES he can win, if you vote for him!!
Exactly!!!
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