She applauded for Kucinich when he uttered the crowd-pleasing word "Impeachment" -- hope the other candidates were listening...

I'e only watched 5-10 minutes of the post-debate wrap-up on Cnn, but everyone seems to be calling it for Hillary-I don't think they watched the same debate. God help us, the S.S. Hillary (S.S.Titanic) seems about to sail away. Thank God I can escape to France! PS-Why didn't Russ Feingold run?

Call me a cockeyed optimist, but I think war with Iran is going to be like W.'s Social Security "reform"---a lot of noise, then plop. I just don't think people are going to fall for this again. You really can't fool all the people all the time.

Can you?

By noon tomorrow someone will call this brave young man a "phony soldier" or something equally disgusting.

Well we have covert operators in Iran and are giving aid to opposition groups operating in Iran. By Clinton's standards are we not a terrorist organization?

Correction to my previous comment............it wasn't Malkin, it was on Rhiel World View..........but, Malkin's HOT AIR blog sees it fit to give it a top 'news' story heading...........still, pathetic

Malveaux sucked the whole night. Why was she allowed to modify the questions of audience members? And then why did that pansy Wolf repeat the modified questions? eg with the Supreme Court Justice criteria transforming into a question about abortion?

if you all can recall, George Bush onc etried explaining the whole "fool me once, fool me twice" saying, but go it all wrong....

a youtube link to refresh your mind: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

well for once, Bush can get a taste of his own medicine....

Listen up Bush, When it comes to Iran and your tyrannical plans to colonize it, the real saying goes like this.....

Fool Me Once (Iraq War 2), Shame on YOU (Bush)!
Fool Me Twice, Shame on ME (American people)!

I dont think America will fall for it this time and embarass itself for your own self-serving ideology.

too bad there is a good 30 percent or so that would back him on this....

Sorry. Can't change the fact that Hillary will galvanize a whole bunch of folks to journey on down to the polling booth just to vote against her. Can't really say that about Edwards, Obama, or Kucinich. I really hope she's not the nominee.

Clinton will do and say whatever she feels necessary to win, and this issue is an example of that.

Edwards, I feel, is more genuine. He admits he made a mistake with his vote to give Bush authority to attack Iraq.

Kucinich is obviously the most credible of the three. He's been right on these issues from the beginning. Actions speak louder than words.

Look up "victory".
You see Hillary smile at cha.

Still, this clip shows Edwards at his best.
Also my hat is off to this proud lad.

CD @19

I doubt that it would be a significant since most people really don't know who he is. Remember most people were watching ER or whatever was on, not the debate.

Best Q&A on any 08 debate so far.

I can't believe Biden busted out with the I word. lol

qwert @ 24:

CD @19

I doubt that it would be a significant since most people really don't know who he is. Remember most people were watching ER or whatever was on, not the debate.

ER is still on the air?

CD @ 19:

Tommy @ 18:

Sorry. Can't change the fact that Hillary will galvanize a whole bunch of folks to journey on down to the polling booth just to vote against her. Can't really say that about Edwards, Obama, or Kucinich. I really hope she's not the nominee.

Kucinich would have a similar effect (though not as much).

based on what reason

Watch the polls.
The Tories/Ralphies are clueless.
She'll make sure her votes get tabulated.
She will be i/t White House.

Stay away from the polls?
More like drive them to the polls.

Hillary voted and supported the  war in Iraq , Hillary voted with the neocons  to consider the Iranian military as a terrorist group, Hillary keeps changing her stance every 5 minutes to gain more support right wingers...If she gets elected as the democratic nominee  we deserve too lose again!! WAKE UP f*** up PEOPLE!

David @ 35:

The troops are never coming home. Why? Because we need them here. We need them to protect us here. We need them to protect us from the crooks that have stolen our government and are getting ready to instate a police state. Our troops can never be allowed to come home. If they were here and became incensed against the freedom grabbers, they may help lead a revolution, and thoughs in power will never tolerate that.
There is only one candidate which has said over and over again that 1. The war in Iraq is illegal. 2. Never voted once to fund this illegal war, and 3. said he would bring the troops home immediately. Ron Paul. People can say all they want but he is the only one who would bring them home. I am just afraid that if he is elected president he would be taken out by the powers behind the scene. So when are the troops coming home? Never.

funny i thought that was dennis kucinichhhhhhhhhhhh

David @ 35:

The troops are never coming home. Why? Because we need them here. We need them to protect us here. We need them to protect us from the crooks that have stolen our government and are getting ready to instate a police state. Our troops can never be allowed to come home. If they were here and became incensed against the freedom grabbers, they may help lead a revolution, and thoughs in power will never tolerate that.
There is only one candidate which has said over and over again that 1. The war in Iraq is illegal. 2. Never voted once to fund this illegal war, and 3. said he would bring the troops home immediately. Ron Paul. People can say all they want but he is the only one who would bring them home. I am just afraid that if he is elected president he would be taken out by the powers behind the scene. So when are the troops coming home? Never.

Only one candidate: Kucinich.

tyree @ 33:

CD @ 31:

tyree @ 30:

CD @ 19:
based on what reason

I've been around enough Republicans to know they view him as a complete socialist.

fuck the repigs ,this next elections not going to be any differet then the last two , the repigs will all come back to the repig party again anyway!

Why do you post here if you think there's no hope for a change?

kudos to Christopher Jackson

Ms. Clinton made a big mistake by voting the Iranian Revolutionary Guards to be Terrorists.
Implicit she claims they had something to do with 9-11.
The "fact" these Iranians supporting some insurgents in Iraq, doesn't make them terrorists. Terrorism is a sensitive issue; also inside Iran.

If she and other Americans do get that, the wrong people are being pissed of. And this time nobody will care for US feelings..

In EVERY debate I've liked Biden best. There, I said it...

CD @ 40:

tyree @ 33:

CD @ 31:

tyree @ 30:

I've been around enough Republicans to know they view him as a complete socialist.

fuck the repigs ,this next elections not going to be any differet then the last two , the repigs will all come back to the repig party again anyway!

Why do you post here if you think there's no hope for a change?

WHATSit to you? you dont clean my balls for me i do!!!!!kucinich 08

I refuse to accept the CNN narrative that Hillary Clinton is the dominant force in Democratic politics and that all news coverage should be focused on her.

Immediately following this debate the chattering commentators devoted 100% of their focus to discussing how 'strong' Hillary performed or some such absolutely shameless 'vote for Hillary' kind of faux journalism/analysis. The debate was likewise focused exclusively on Hillary for the first 4-5 questions and then the final question was Hillary do you prefer daimonds or pearls?'

WTF!?!?!?!

I am practically shattering this keyboard with each stroke I am so fucking angry over having Hillary Clinton shoved down my throat as the foregone 'winner' of the primary process. I wacthed the debate and after wincing through the shameless Hillary pandering of Wolf Blitzers early questions and anyone else besides Obama nad Edwards got a chance to speak I felt as if ANY OF THE OTHER PEOPLE on the stage were a better choice than Hillary Clinton to be president of the United States and FIX some the damage that the Bush administration has done.

Hillary Clinton is a lie being foisted on us and I believe I am not the only person who thought the same after watching that circus tonight.

Who wants to take bets how long before Rush or BillO call him a traitor?

tyree @ 53:

CD @ 51:

tyree @ 49:

tyree @ 48:
and why do you say i dont think thiers no hope for a change? thier is but not with the clintons or the rest of these corporate boobs , ive been around a lot of repigs too and they say the,ll stay home unless hillerys the nomination, not tjhat id ever beleive or care what a repig says!

You said "this next elections not going to be any differet then the last two"

now go back to cleaning your sack.

well its not , the repigs are unhappy now with bush so thier defecting , come election day these same dweebs you seem to be so impressed with will fall back into the fold , and vote for any piece of shit the repukes put up , but dont worry im not asking such an intelliget poster such as yourself to was my cods for me ,im a big boy now!

CD @ 55:

tyree @ 53:

CD @ 51:

tyree @ 49:

You said "this next elections not going to be any differet then the last two"

now go back to cleaning your sack.

well its not , the repigs are unhappy now with bush so thier defecting , come election day these same dweebs you seem to be so impressed with will fall back into the fold , and vote for any piece of shit the repukes put up , but dont worry im not asking such an intelliget poster such as yourself to was my cods for me ,im a big boy now!

intelliget?

I'm going to leave you and your bottle alone now.

bottle???? come on for a guy who taps his feet in restrooms your not doing to great!

Clinton's response to the Iran issue is expected. She's got some serious inside information as to what is going down in the White House on this subject in my opinion. The fact that the Bush regime is coaching her on how to handle Iraq and Iran is elected pretty much tells me they expect her to be in the White House, which I am so NOT looking forward to. Two families in the White House over almost 30 years. This is ridiculous.

The Sea Hawk @ 58:

Clinton's response to the Iran issue is expected. She's got some serious inside information as to what is going down in the White House on this subject in my opinion. The fact that the Bush regime is coaching her on how to handle Iraq and Iran is elected pretty much tells me they expect her to be in the White House, which I am so NOT looking forward to. Two families in the White House over almost 30 years. This is ridiculous.

Inside information my ass. She just tries to pass the others on the right, playing tough.
But it's a pathetic move. A dangerous one, and a smack in the face of all liberal opposition in Iran.
For the record: US and NATO troops are not winning the war in Afghanistan. It's not a time to make more enemies.

Oh my god.
My dad, ex-military, voted for Bush x2 (now hates him), Bill Clinton hater, Rush-Limpbaugh listening, Fox news watching cretin is falling for Hillary.
WTF.

WMK @ 50:

I refuse to accept the CNN narrative that Hillary Clinton is the dominant force in Democratic politics and that all news coverage should be focused on her.

Immediately following this debate the chattering commentators devoted 100% of their focus to discussing how 'strong' Hillary performed or some such absolutely shameless 'vote for Hillary' kind of faux journalism/analysis. The debate was likewise focused exclusively on Hillary for the first 4-5 questions and then the final question was Hillary do you prefer daimonds or pearls?'

WTF!?!?!?!

I am practically shattering this keyboard with each stroke I am so fucking angry over having Hillary Clinton shoved down my throat as the foregone 'winner' of the primary process. I wacthed the debate and after wincing through the shameless Hillary pandering of Wolf Blitzers early questions and anyone else besides Obama nad Edwards got a chance to speak I felt as if ANY OF THE OTHER PEOPLE on the stage were a better choice than Hillary Clinton to be president of the United States and FIX some the damage that the Bush administration has done.

Hillary Clinton is a lie being foisted on us and I believe I am not the only person who thought the same after watching that circus tonight.

It's all set up. It's already been decided. What people don't realize is that "they" decide it for us. Voting is for show. It makes us think it's a democracy and our voice coints. Well it doesn't. Hillary Clinton is going to be out next president whether you like it or not. 28 years of Bush/Clinton rule my friends. Do you see a pattern yet?

Hillary's going to take a nose-dive.

If clinton is the nominee the Revolution will go on as planned. She's absolutely no different then bush.

CD @ 55:

tyree @ 53:

CD @ 51:

tyree @ 49:

You said "this next elections not going to be any differet then the last two"

now go back to cleaning your sack.

well its not , the repigs are unhappy now with bush so thier defecting , come election day these same dweebs you seem to be so impressed with will fall back into the fold , and vote for any piece of shit the repukes put up , but dont worry im not asking such an intelliget poster such as yourself to was my cods for me ,im a big boy now!

intelliget?

I'm going to leave you and your bottle alone now.

OMG dude that was so freaking funny! If this guy ISN'T drunk then he is extremely stupid. He misspelled intelligent LOLOLOLOLOOLOLOL! Hey Tyree learn to spell, it lends credibility, otherwise you look like an idiot.

Hillary = Bush lite

How do you win a modern, presidential debate? The best zinger? The loudest applause? The fawning approval of television journalists? It certainly isn't the best, most coherent argument for, or against, something. Fluff, fluff, fluff. Here you are voters, lay your head on the cool side and sleep well, everything will be all right...we promise.

Counterpunch is doing an excellent series on HRC. The campaigning for Nixon, the proud Goldwater girl, and the same, tired, story of how you make it to the top of the heap in modern politics. She knows who keeps the trough full, and she knows better than to bite the hand that feeds her.

Democrats will go to the polls and vote for her, soothing their conscience with the "lesser of two evils" argument. But that shit's getting old. And while Zeno's paradox of motion may not apply to motion in the real world, it surely does in the political world. Voting for the lesser of two evils gets you exactly half way to good, every time...so at the end of the day you're still standing where you started.

brandon @ 7:

Some people ( i.e. Michelle Malkin ) are already claiming that this was a 'planted' question........so, my question is this : is she claiming that the 'soldier' was planted? Is it that the mother really doesn't care enough for her son that she wouldn't say that? Could this be her way of saying that he's a 'phony' soldier?..........just asking........I mean, I know Malkin is just about as sychophantically-crazy as any winger on the web, but damn, she's really reaching for blog material on that one.

I think "phony" could be right or this is just how I see it-
When a human speaks they give away there true intentions and feeling through body language.
Knowings the audiences for theses debates are screened.
A man who has been on three tours of duty(if on the front line at least) might be a little more passionate about ending this illegal war. Someone in that position I think would have a direct question and not such a vague plead.
I noticed when he asked his question he directed it partially to the mic jockey and than a glance and pause at the Presidential jokefuls.
Not much enthusiasm in his voice or passion behind his question.
He kept himself very dignified during the standing ovation, as any military man will be, but but as soon as he had the stick, it seemed he was digging for words.

I would of had my question well rehearsed, it would have also taken at least a minute to resite, it would have everyone on stage in a sweat. In the isle near the front row of seats systematically looking every candidate in the eye, with a professional posture and vocal tone.

Do you think these media attention whores of the Republican and Democratic parties want you to question their intentions.

Anyways, vote Ron Paul! Give a hand to Kucinich for making light of the topics we should really be focused on! P,FLILF

I'ld like to hear Chris's response about Hillary's statement. She sadi since he's been in Iraq he knows that the Iranian guard have been supplying the terrorist with weapons.

Since he's actually served in Iraq, not walked around with a security detail like our "brave Senators" I want to know if he's seen any Iranians giving weapons to Iraqi insurgents.

Dennis Kucinich is MY PRESIDENT....such audacity to speak truth to power. The Oligarchy will always marginalize the statistical winner for they are scared to death that their delusional game will come apart at the seams with the daylight that only True Patriots can bring to our distorted worldview imposed on us by our dark overlords of Profit!

The video clip was a good one and I think points out how Hillary can double talk a crowd well. It was pointed out she voted to name the Iran military a terrorist group, then in her response, said she wanted diplomacy. Oh, ya they are going to sit down and talk with her after her well know vote around the world..sure. She and Bill went over to the dark side a long time ago. Money is corrupting and they are now just as caught up in the One World Order as all the rest of the neo-cons. Come on people, wake up.

edwards is a phony. not only did he vote for the patriot act, which is the blueprint for an american police state, but he co- sponsered the senate resolution for authorisation of force against iraq... populist my ass..... and hilary... what a sham of a farse of a stooge... and biden.... so full of himself it makes me want to puke... i can´t watch these debates and keep down my dinner at the same time...

Check out Kucinichs ears. No question about it Kucinich is a Vulcan! (Love what he said)

Tommy wrote...

Sorry. Can’t change the fact that Hillary will galvanize a whole bunch of folks to journey on down to the polling booth just to vote against her. Can’t really say that about Edwards, Obama, or Kucinich. I really hope she’s not the nominee.

If you think Obama won't galvanize a whole bunch of folks to vote against him you're living in a different world.

Bitter Scribe @ 6:

Call me a cockeyed optimist, but I think war with Iran is going to be like W.'s Social Security "reform"---a lot of noise, then plop. I just don't think people are going to fall for this again. You really can't fool all the people all the time.

Can you?

No but they only need to fool some of the people some of the time to be able to start another war, they don't need the consent of the American people, and they neo-cons have pretty much scored a leagal victory by having the IRG branded as a legiitimate terrorist organization, they now have that as a pre-text to any action if they decide to take it.

Malveaux sucked the whole night. Why was she allowed to modify the questions of audience members? And then why did that pansy Wolf repeat the modified questions? eg with the Supreme Court Justice criteria transforming into a question about abortion?

I like how Biden pointed this out when he said he wanted to answer the real question and not Malveaux's perversion of the question.

I have a 17 yr.old son (my only son) and I am terrified that they will bring back the draft and he'll end up in Iran, fighting a war that we are against and having his life taken away from him. And from me. And from everyone who cares about him. And his future.
I just recently saw the movie "Born On The Fourth of July" for the first time. I had a very visceral reaction to that movie.
Sure, it's just a movie but it rings true and I can't believe that anyone who has seen it, or has personally experienced it and is a leader of a country, could actually send
our boys over there.
When I look at the ages of soldiers killed...my God! They're just boys! They're just boys!!
It just sickens me.

In another debate, if I recall correctly; none of the top tier even wanted to have a dialog with Iran.......this is contrary to Hillarys rhetoric in this debate. NOW she is echoing dialog through diplomacy and participations of the international community.

Why didn't she encourage the BUSH administration publicly to do this before voting to go to WAR with IRAQ? Does her contradictions have anything to do with her bid for the next President of the United States and a political ploy to persuade the VOTERS to vote for her in the 2008 Elections? The IRAQ war is as much Hillary and Edwards War as it is Bush's WAR for VOTING for the WAR and continue to fund the WAR. Now caught in a dilemma between 2008 presidential election and a push to pursue a WAR against IRAN; the top tier and their neo-con supporters are caught in a bind.

Futhermore; if they are blaming the Bush Administration for the failures of executing the war on terror and the illegal war on IRAQ and the failures in Afgahnistan to catch bin ladin; WHY is IMPEACHMENT being IGNORED and AVOIDED in the debate?

I am tired of the sound-bites of "IF YOU ELECT ME AS YOUR PRESIDENT", I will do the following. NO you have the power NOW to prove that you can make CHANGES NOW and not later. It's time to PROVE your political capacity to make a CHANGE NOW. Otherwise this will be another SCAM and betrayals very much like the 2006 election.

The guy wore a Iraqi Freedom cap. I think he has been brainwashed into supporting the war in Iraq so I don't understand why he doesn't want to go to Iran (the logical conclusion to Middle Eastern policy). Didn't the neo-cons say that only pansies are in Iraq and real men go to Iran?

Senator Biden's is really standing up to the Iraq cause after it is too late in the game. I could have slapped his face during the lead up to the war when CNN, featured him and his maps just egging this shit on. It was the most disgusting demonstration of any of the Democrats.

He is showing that he made a huge mistake in judgement and that is so much more then I can say for Senator Clinton.

Some of us don't know the meaning of the word 'terrorist' or 'terrorism'. Let me educate you - definitions are from the Oxford English Dictionary:

ter•ror•ism /'ter{shwa}r{I}z{shwa}m/ noun [U] the use of violent action in order to achieve political aims or to force a government to act: an act of terrorism * the fight against terrorism * The government has sworn to do everything in its power to combat terrorism.

ter•ror•ist /'ter{shwa}r{I}st/ noun a person who takes part in terrorism: The terrorists are threatening to blow up the plane. * a terrorist attack / bomb / group

The Iranian Revolutionary Guard supports financially, technologically, gives arms, et cetera to the Shiite insurgents in Iraq. The insurgents are terrorists; they want to undermine the feeble government and the occupying powers by use of violence. Senator Clinton gave the right answer for Iran and for her vote. It is as if Timothy McVeigh is the insurgent and Terry Nichols is the Iranian Revolutionary Guard - would you not call him a terrorist for being complicit in the Oklahoma Bombing? It's simple.

Nevertheless, the Shiite insurgents are not the main problem; it is the Sunni insurgents that cause most of the deaths of American lives. 90% of all attacks on Americans are Sunni based. The majority of the Sunni insurgent funding is from within the wealthy families in Saudi Arabia. We are so called allies with Saudi Arabia yet they do this to us?

Senator Clinton has done what she feels is right, as I hope the other candidates do as well. She knows that diplomacy is the best solution right now for Iran considering we have none at the moment! Opening that door is a good step. The other candidates did not show me that. They were all speaking of standing up to President Bush, et cetera. He will be gone by January 2009. What I am more concerned over and most Americans should too, is to look for a candidate who will look for solutions after the 43rd president is done instead of concentrating all their resources in talks of impeachment and speaking against. That is all well and good but the problem remains. All I heard from John Edwards was "President Bush this....President Bush that....stop him..." I heard no real solution other than to oppose.

Most candidates up there haven't the slightest clue over the real situation in international politics. Sen. Clinton was the only one that mentioned Russia and China. We only witnessed a few weeks ago President Putin making friends with President Ahmedinejad. Both Russia and China are positioning themselves against the US in the Middle East. With the US in Iraq, it puts those two potential rivals in a precarious position. China needs oil as well as Russia. Both are growing industrialized nations and want a piece of the pie in the Middle East. Do we want to loose our only advantage to these powers by leaving Iraq and the Middle East completely? I am not advocating for war with Iran, but merely suggesting to forth a friendly hand toward a country whose current position is highly valuable to the power players. This is game of the highest proportions and consequences and we need someone with a pragmatic mind and a willingness to overcome old differences, and definitely not someone with a view of a ideal world - we can’t afford to make mistakes and our potential enemies are definitely not searching in the idealistic choices. They are in it to win and we haven't realized that sooner or later, we will be left holding the bag if we keep chasing for a utopia.

The world is not that simple and nor will it ever be. The next president of the United States needs to be a person not striving for dream world; they need to find pragmatic solutions for the problems at hand. We don't inspiration with speeches of fanciful fantasies. We need a leader with a decisive and sound mind, ready to make the tough decisions that need to be made even in the face of overwhelming opposition.

I hope you all vote for someone like that because we need that president more than anything right now.

Cheers,
Jackie

blahsay @ 46:

In EVERY debate I've liked Biden best. There, I said it...

I think Biden is very underrated. Mostly this happens because he started his campaign with stupid statements. It's a shame because he very well may have been our best choice. He's been on the foreign relations committee forever and I think would be our best shot at using diplomacy with foreign governments, our best shot at raising the opinion about American's around the world. It's a shame. I hope I'm wrong in nailing his coffin too soon.