Bush's 'Sixteenth Century Concept of Judicial Conduct'
By Bill W. Friday Nov 23, 2007 7:15pm
No, it's not a remake of the movie. This is the sad but true story of Al-Timimi and Omar Khadr, and the desecration of justice under Bush.
Reports have begun to circulate that the Administration has put together a group of scholars headed by a right-wing activist judge to craft legislation to introduce a new court of Star Chamber, perhaps to be floated in the coming year. As we see in the public pronouncements of the Bush Administration, accusations leveled at detainees in the war on terror are leveled for political effect, and often to parallel partisan political campaigns. If those accusations are rejected by a court, it therefore undermines confidence in the Administration and the Party. Which is why, in the Bush view of justice, a failure to convict is unacceptable. And which is why the Bush view of justice is no justice at all. ... read on
Cuz if you're really going to go pre-Habeas Corpus Act, you gotta have your own Star Chamber.
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bush and cheney should be the first casualties of this new star chamber
Habeas Corpus is a concept that dates back to the Magna Carta of 1215.
In 2001, Bush decided, "that Mango Cart is too old. We needs something fresh, something with more pizazz" and introduced the Patriot Act.
One more stone laid on the path to Conservative Theocratic Fascism.
A puppet court issuing royal proclamations of guilt and righteousness. Just what the petulant boy king needs to tantrum himself into the history books to the detriment of all of human civilization.
I remember that movie. One of the few Michael Douglass movies I liked.
We got to get this thing back. Our country could be unrecognizable in a few years. Do what you can do.
The consequences of Bush's illegal actions and the compliance of the Democrats in those actions indicates that we are already living in a fascist society. The Bill of Rights has been systematically gutted, the Constitution has been referred to as "just a piece of paper" by the very person who took a sworn oath to uphold it, and the ducks are all in row for the "detainment" of anyone as a "terrorist" with no habeus corpus rights, no right to an attorney, in fact, no right of notification of anybody. The Guatemalazation of the United States is almost complete and, unless we actively rebel against it, you can look forward to a totalitarian government the likes of which the world has never seen.
The consequences of Bush's illegal actions and the compliance of the Democarts in those actions indicates that we are already living in a fascist state. The Bill of Rights has been gutted, the Constitution has been derided as "just a piece of paper" by the man who swore an oath to defend it, and anyone is now subject to "detainment" as a a "terrorist". Welcome to Orwellville.
Blue Buddha @ 4:
What was the name of that movie???? The one where the "court" had their own enforcement.Me thinks boosh watches to much tv
These guys are NOT going to give up power in 08. If they do I will be very surprised.
Sorry for double posting. What is with WordPress anyway?
It just dawned on me that our own government is a cult of terror and deceit. I don't think I want to live here anymore. I want to leave. Where is a good place for 2 old folks - 65 and 72 to go? We want a safe place for our grandchildren to grow up in. A safe house.
Relax. Legislation would have to be drafted and then passed. Not only do I not think that it could pass, I really don't think that anybody is stupid enough to write or put forward legislation that nutty. And I don't believe that it could get a hearing even if it was presented.
mudshark @ 8:
Ummm... the graphic is a spoof of the movie's poster.
AbbeyHoffmansGhost @ 12:
Apparently, you've been living somewhere remote for the past six years.
AbbeyHoffmansGhost @ 12:
First off, I wouldn't put it past this administration and this congress to pass something this insane.
Secondly, they need some kind of mechanism to try people jailed in Gitmo. The WH has been debating the idea of releasing Gitmo detainees into the federal prison system. But, I think the problem is that they're afraid of the embarrassment that might follow when 99.999% of the detainees are released by the federal courts because there's no evidence to charge them.
A Star Chamber would solve that problem and enable them to try "enemy combatants". (It will also enable them to make a mockery of the United States of America).
AbbeyHoffmansGhost @ 12:
Many of the things that have passed are absolutely outrageous attacks on our freedoms. Someone needs to put this lunatic in a straight jacket and a rubber room to protect this country. How can a completely mad lunatic who never legally won an election continue to rape and plunder this country? Surely every appointment he has made can be recalled based on the fact that he is NOT president elect and therefore has no authority. Why is he still in office? Nobody can take for granted that this wouldn't have a chance of passing. Think Republicans in congress and Bush dogs and there you go. We need to get that guy out of office yesterday! Surely every psychiatrist knows he is out of his mind, can't anyone do anything about this? Both him and his side kick are out of their minds.
I wonder how bush & co will feel when they are convicted of warcrimes and crimes against humanity. It will happen because it must :)
AbbeyHoffmansGhost @ 12:
where have you been for the last six years besides with your head up your ass.....this has already been done......you are one of idiots who has not been reading or listening.
go back to your hole for the sake of the rest of us.......MORON
AbbeyHoffmansGhost @ 12:
See: Patriot Act
This is when we really need to start watching, and yelling and protesting and making sure all lights are on this administration . . . they are in their final months and they will be doing everything and anything possible to save their "legacy" and advance what they've created.
I don't know how many of you saw "Empire of the Sun" but there is a quote from it that I've always kept in mind for this administration: " At the end and beginning of a war, that we have to watch out for ourselves. In between, it's like a country club"
We are coming into the most dangerous time for us in this administration, they have to make sure they keep all they've got and they want more . . . as bad as it has been, it has been a country club to what I think this crew will do to us and the worlkd in the coming months.
No recesses, no nothing, we need to be full on guard of the hen house now.
The federalist society types can go to hell
Saddest country in the world ........ bar none.....
Blue Buddha @ 13:
well...er...uhhh,ummmm.....I knew it looked familiar.....nevermind..........but I do have to say ...What is wrong with dadams....she jumps right into name calling.how very republican.
jr @ 21:
Yer' plain ol', garden-variety society types, too.
JerryM @ 22:
Most of us here in the U.S.A are very sad about the last six years or so, and a few of us are not happy about the last 44 years!
Sick, just utterly sick. I do have to agree with Rosie O'Donnell, the only way this president can be impeached would be if he were to take a literal shit on the constitution and not the figurative way he was for the last 6 and a half years.
C.
I thought we were just going to send all the al Qaeda back home so they can get vocational
training and good jobs...
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1673270,00.html
dilly @ 27:
don't you think we should find out if their al qaeda first.....by giving them a trial.Just to make sure the ones who were wrapped up by mistake...(you know mistakenly picked up).....don't spend the rest of their life in a hell hole for something they didn't do.
Jo @ 9:
That was probably what they had in mind when they allowed the Evangelicals to form the Blackwater Mercenary Group. Don't be surprised if you see them acting in this country around election time.
Trust no one. Question everything. Expect the worst.
Shiva H Vishnu @ 29:
Be Prepared.
"Although the court could order torture, prison and fines, it did not have the power to impose the death sentence. Under the Tudors, Star Chamber sessions were public."
What no Death Penalty? Must be that Compassionate Conservatism. Plus I guess those of us that die under Star Chamber torture don't count.
Peace. It's possible. Just not with these Sick Bastards in Power.
Cheney @ 2:
The Magna Carta only granted rights to the nobility. It took a looooooooong time before the commoners in England got anything approaching equal rights.
Fuck bush and his entire administration. Hope they all rot in hell, and real soon at that!
It is getting so bad that I can't even scrape up an atom of respect for these bastards!
General_Rennenkampf @ 32:
Is that meant to be a "for the record" comment? Or is it a lecture to show that Bush is not that big of a fascist?
Do yourself a favor and try to curtail the use of the condescending "looooooong time", unless you know exactly how long, what year etc..
I find it amusing when people start arguing over semantics. As if it diminishes the fact the U.S. has become a fascist police state run by juvenile thugs.
Ex-Canuck @ 33:
My sentiments exactly!!
Congress had better find a way to stop this dead in its tracks - now.
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I already regret what my generation did and is doing by forgetting years and years of "do the right thing" indoctrination. A childs morals are clear on what is right and wrong and so must we be.
Your prisons systems should be able to process YOUR OWN MOTHER without feeling fear that anything bad would happen to her. If that occurs, then you havea good prison system. Because otherwise you simply have a corrupt system.
We understand what is fascism. Please fight it.
Well, hey, what's next? Six Days in May?
I want this administration made an example of so NO ONE EVER tries to hijack our democracy again. I don't even feel like we are a democracy anymore. I feel like my oath of enlistment and the duty our Fore Fathers gave us to throw off any government deemed unjust means nothing anymore. WE allowed this to happen. WE let them get away with it. WE continue to stand passively by because most of the population thinks nothing can be done about it. WE thought it would never go this far. THEY would be so disappointed with us if THEY could see what WE have become. WE have gone from a country that fought and died for its freedom and human rights to a country of COWARDS as a whole in a couple hundred years. WE once stood up to tyrants and now we elect them. WE need a revolution! Nothing less will suffice but WE are no longer strong or brave enough to fight one. This is MY country yet I don't recognize it. I know that I want to be an AMERICAN again but I no longer know who WE are! Once upon a time...................................................................................
Aside from Saddam's excesses and personal vendettas, the Iraqi legal system in 2001 was better than the US system now.
We've got a lot of rolling back to do. The Patriot Act, The Military Commissions Act, The Protect America Act, and so on. Legislation we didn't need because our previous laws and intelligence were working quite well--it was the White House that dropped the ball.
This explains why Bush doesn't 'believe' in evolution.
He hasn't evolved.
Once a troglodyte, always a troglodyte.
I first learned of the Star Chamber when I read Quicksilver, the first of Neal Stephenson's "baroque series" trilogy. Here's the Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quicksilver_%28novel%29
La plus ca change, la plus c'est la meme chose.
Bush is just reinstating the old 'dunking stool' means of obtaining confessions.
His contemporary version is:
'Do you want to confess before I shoot off your left testicle or your right testicle?'
Widespread @ 43:
"Plus ca change, plus c'est la même chose." Actually, the Dark Side never stops trying to slink back into "civilized" life. Nothin is ever safe from them, "Rien est acquis." Eternal struggle, for sure.
Moral of the story for America: learn to recognize traitors for who/what they are, neve give them an inch, and kill the serpent/demon the very minute he rears his ugly head.
You people lost your self-preserving instinct sometime after JFK was killed. Otherwise you would have immediately recognized and arrested these cheneybush psychopaths, 'stead of handing them unlimited power on a silver platter.
"Trust no one. Question everything. Expect the worst."
Indeed. I expect our next President will be the two-for-one Clinton deal.
In all honesty, growing up adjacent to the United States, the one thing I admired the US for, more than anything else, was it's tenacious belief in the tenets of its constitution. Within 10 years, it's reached the point where most people don't seem to care. I am sorry to see you go.
Do any of you Hillary Clinton supporters think she is going to take a different direction than Bush did if she is elected? This type of injustice will continue under Queen Hillary's reign.
Our soldiers who have offt their selves does not smell write. We need the 6,000 names of those men and women who committed suicide in 2005 and we need to verify the facts.
125 suicide every week in 2005? I don't buy it.
Can you somehow show this bastard holding that gun between his two bee-die eye's and pulling the trigger, over and over to relieve us of this night mare?
Bush is also repeating the actions of Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin. These rightwing/fascist judges need to be impeached for their active roles in deliberately attempting to destroy the Constitution.
Death Star @ 49:
There are roughly 25 MILLION veterans in the US and the stats show them committing suicide at twice the 'regular' rate. For vets ages 20-24 the rates are quadruple. Unfortunately this means it's pretty easy to get to the 6,200+ figure. I think CBS did the research polling every state, DoD and the Veterans Administration--which of course had inaccurate, that is to say very low figures...
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