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Executive Producer of The Professional Left Podcast. On staff at Crooks and Liars since 2007. Master's degree from Harvard. Happy wife of Driftglass. Mother of three geniuses. Obsessive knitter. Blogs at http://bgalrstate.blogspot.com. .
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Sha_Rules's picture

i m p e a c h !

dazhype's picture

...who makes me wanna puke in a bucket.

L.A. Confidential's picture

Way to go Aussies

The country throws out the government of John Howard after 11 years.

There was a man from Nantucket
To whom you and your Civil Rights
Will say, FUCK IT!
If you want to stay free
And sleep well at night
If given the a chance to vote for him
You'll duck it!

Tea's picture

This one made me snort water out of my nose. Thank you, Jesus!

jr's picture

I love when people kick the mob connected, show tune singing serial groom's ass

Stanley Rosenthal's picture

I recall Arlo doing a bit/song about Nantucket (where someone once stuck it, and that's about all I remember about it except that of course it was typical Arlo funny) ...

crazyworld2046's picture

Jesus' General should be officially designated a national treasure. Charles Manson, indeed.

L.A. Confidential's picture

Australia's prime minister-elect Kevin Rudd got down to work Monday on plans to sign the Kyoto Protocol and reverse unpopular labour laws that led to conservative leader John Howard's stunning ouster.

"Australians have fundamentally changed in the past two years, becoming more compassionate, more interested in social issues and less driven by money," The Australian newspaper's social affairs writer Stephen Lunn said.

Submitted By: Dan Benko There once was a man from Nantucket
Whose dick was so long he could suck it
He said with a grin
As he wiped off his chin,
"If my ear were a c#%+ I would f@#* it!"

Tequila's picture

How to build a better toilet...
At least Huckabee stands up to the Sauds...

There once was a man from NantucketWho kept all his cash in a bucket.
His daughter, named Nan,
Ran away with a man,
And as for the bucket, Nantucket.

OliverDreams's picture

Rudy, drag queen from Nantucket
Ask any question, he'll duck it
Although not expected
If he gets elected
We all might as well just say f*ck it.

GSD's picture

There once was a boy-chimp from Texas,

Who's stolen election has hexed us.

........

PrayForChange's picture

There once was this guy from New York
Who married his cousin (the dork)
he changed his opinions
To appease naive minions
And dreamed of partisan bills filled with pork

RobertD's picture

"Australians have fundamentally changed in the past two years, becoming more compassionate, more interested in social issues and less driven by money," The Australian newspaper's social affairs writer Stephen Lunn said.

Wish that we could say the same thing here.

My annual Thanksgiving holiday "politics" conversation this weekend with the family leads me to conclude...uh, not so much.

Doug's picture

Picture: (Rudy dressed in drag)
Caption: "As a matter of fact, he's not even a man"

resetthathang's picture

There once was a schmuck...Oh never mind...

Romeo and Juliet is a TRAGEDY.
Four undercover cops firing 41 shots into an innocent, unarmed man is an ATROCITY.

GIULIANI NO. GIULIANI NO. GIULIANI NO. GIULIANI NO. GIULIANI NO. GIULIANI NO.
GIULIANI NO. GIULIANI NO. GIULIANI NO. GIULIANI NO. GIULIANI NO. GIULIANI NO.
GIULIANI NO. GIULIANI NO. GIULIANI NO. GIULIANI NO. GIULIANI NO. GIULIANI NO.
GIULIANI NO. GIULIANI NO. GIULIANI NO. GIULIANI NO. GIULIANI NO. GIULIANI NO.
GIULIANI NO. GIULIANI NO. GIULIANI NO. GIULIANI NO. GIULIANI NO. GIULIANI NO.
GIULIANI NO. GIULIANI NO. GIULIANI NO. GIULIANI NO. GIULIANI NO. GIULIANI NO.

Lube your plunger, girls...

People in glass houses don't throw bricks.

Ron's picture

xoites defends Constitution @ 4:

There was a man from Nantucket
To whom you and your Civil Rights
Will say, FUCK IT!
If you want to stay free
And sleep well at night
If given the a chance to vote for him
You'll duck it!

I didn't know you were such a good poet. How are you doing?

xoites defends Constitution @ 19:

People in glass houses don't throw bricks.

Gee, i wish i had actually said this. Wierd to see my name associated with something i never said.

xoites defends Constitution's picture

I am fine Ron, how are you?

Vicki's picture

Does anyone see a connection between the writer's strike and a lack of political commentary against the righties? How convenient for them not to have to put up with John Stewart, Steven Colbert and others. Meanwhile, try to find ANY news about what is going on with settling...

Vicki @ 23:

Does anyone see a connection between the writer's strike and a lack of political commentary against the righties? How convenient for them not to have to put up with John Stewart, Steven Colbert and others. Meanwhile, try to find ANY news about what is going on with settling...

Feel free to comment. I always do. :)

Ron's picture

xoites defends Constitution @ 22:

I am fine Ron, how are you?

Great, but I'm going to be joinining the full denture general society tomorrow.

A long time ago in America people did not run out and buy music, they made it. They had no choice. There were no recording studios or even electricity or radio.

In fact, most cities had dozens of newspapers and they all had an opinion. Even small towns had newspapers. Sometimes several. As Americans expanded west and new towns sprang up almost the first business to open was a newspaper. People did not sit in front of tv's waiting for some over paid blowhard to tell them what to think.

We now have come full circle and all of us can say whatever the hell we want and we don't need a writer's strike to end to hear opinions because we all have one.

So join in the fun and tell one and all how you feel about things. No investment aside from a little time and thought is needed.

Ron @ 25:

xoites defends Constitution @ 22:

I am fine Ron, how are you?

Great, but I'm going to be joinining the full denture general society tomorrow.

Ouch! I wish you well on that.

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xoites defends Constitution @ 27:

Ron @ 25:

xoites defends Constitution @ 22:

I am fine Ron, how are you?

Great, but I'm going to be joinining the full denture general society tomorrow.

Ouch! I wish you well on that.

I feel my pain, but the pain that we all suffer from, is our constitution being violated.

JC's picture

Rudy is a liar video (Cause I'm A Liar)

James M. Martin's picture

Curious that none of our biased bloggers mentioned the pseudo-spat between Fred (Dull as a Post) Thompson and Chris Wallass on Fox Noise Sunday. As he did with Bill Clinton, Wallass backed down when Thompson showed he was not about to be intimidated, his get-tough with Chrissy-Pooh much in keeping with Thompson's TV persona. What happened was, toward the end of the interview, Wallass showed Thompson some clips from an earlier Fox Noise program where two of the regulars, pundits Herr Karlheinz Krautheimer and Freddy Barnyard were dissing Thompson for what they viewed as a weak showing after leaving everyone guessing whether he'd run at all, joining the fray much too late, &c.

Thompson was p.o.'d but kept his cool, replying that Wallass had stacked the deck, using clips only from Fox Noise pundits (and Fox Noise Sunday regulars at that), whereas no less conservative a medium than "The National Review" -- "and how conservative is that?" Freddy chirped -- had come out saying Thompson's ideas were the cutting edge of right wing policy for the next eight years. That's when Wallass retreated, somewhat nonplussed. The exchange got a bit heated for a customarily polite GOP appearance on Fox Noise Sunday, though, given the Murdoch-Ruliani connection giving Ru Paul G. most favored candidate status on the Hamity and Coma show, it's hardly surprising. (Fox has all but crowned Mr. 9/11 King.)

I hate to admit it, but Thompson showed presidential demeanor. Maybe when they get their writers back Hollywood can put him in the Fredric March role in a remake of "Seven Days in May." Only, this time, the prez is not the good guy. Since Thompson has been known to curry favor of evangelicals, the new version of that 1964 picture could have Thompson and the Burt Lancaster character plotting a nuclear holocaust in the Mideast in order to bring about the Rapture. I understand one of the GOP candidates is chummy with Tim LaHaye, so that contender would be the obvious choice for a VP. Oh, my word, it's way past my bedtime. I must be hallucinating again.

A comment I made on the "outside" Glenn Beck blog (apparently he's got a pay for "inside" blog as well in which he gets his lemmings to pay to hide their head in the sand as well) -
+- +- +- +-
> we can’t use “Christmas” anymore.

Sure you can!!!! Use Christmas to go on a spending orgy all you like!!!! I (as a Liberal) really couldn’t care less.

Go out on a street corner and stand on a soapbox and scream “CHRISTMAS” at the top of your lungs, and as long as you aren’t disturbing the peace I’ll fight for your right to do that.

But if you go on that same street corner on that same soapbox and scream “THERE’S A WAR ON CHRISTMAS”, I’ll simply remind you that there are laws against yelling fire in a crowded theatre.
+- +- +- +-

Rimmer's Clone's picture

Vicki @ 23:

Does anyone see a connection between the writer's strike and a lack of political commentary against the righties? How convenient for them not to have to put up with John Stewart, Steven Colbert and others. Meanwhile, try to find ANY news about what is going on with settling...

When's the next big political event? The negotiations will probably stall until that's over ...

Kahoneez's picture

Russert played 2 clips about Giuliani saying a long time ago if you come to work in New York and even if you are illegal , " We want you " . But the 2nd clip he said we need to ' build a wall " stop illegals and deport those not " legal " .

Russert , may be he had a hang over , said " there's no difference in the details , but the tone is very different . " " What bout da tooooone " I almost fell over , until somebody corrected him and pointed out the OBVIOUS , He was all for illegals coming to New York running for mayor , as long as they wanted to work . Now he's talking about walls and deportation , I mean the gall of these guys like Russert , to blatantly try to mislead his viewers , it was quite appalling .

whizkid's picture

Cause Bush had his head between his legs all day after reading the "goat book"
while Rudy showed up after lunch at the Russian Tea Room, it's like
"Tah-Dah"...
Rudy should be Prez.

My ass.

kjohn's picture

My 25%er family is very,very, very excited to be able to vote for giulani. They get an inner glee and glow just referring to him. When asked what is their most important issue they reply "lower taxes", on the war they reply "if we killed more of those evil Arabs we would win" They worship the bush, have a red faced, all out fit thinking or talking about Clinton. Needless to say they are upper middle class xtians. No big surprise, they also don't think democracy is a good system of government. Some even still believe Saddam was the master mind behind 9-11 and that we did find wmds in Iraq. It would be comical if it wasn't so tragic. My college educated family is a dangerous cartoon caricature. No more family gatherings for me.

whizkid's picture

After lunch at the Russian Tea Room he showed up for the cameras
cause Bush was a big pussy on 9/11.

So this puts Rudy next in line?

The great GOP legacy.

Paul in LA's picture

Vicki @ 23:

Meanwhile, try to find ANY news about what is going on with settling...

The parties meet again tomorrow. The strike could be over by next week. The studios lied about how much material they have in the can, how many scripts on hand, and the WGA called their bluff, successfully.

IF the studios don't settle, they can kiss goodbye several tens of millions of dollars in the next season, which has to start FILMING in January. And to film in January will require a hard slog in December to catch up. So they need to settle immediately.

Since probably several of the studio bosses just lost houses, they are probably not feeling as plucky as they did a couple of weeks ago when they were fantasizing about putting their heels on the necks of writers who bought those houses for them, with typewriters.

Gary's picture

If all the writers are on strike how comes Fox News is still on the air?

Paul in LA's picture

Gary @ 38:

If all the writers are on strike how comes Fox News is still on the air?

1. Choose lies from Column A and match to liars in Column B.

2. Applaud them as successful liars.

3. And run tits while showing Amerika your ass.

whizkid's picture

The good actors, like George C. Scott, don't show up.
They refuse the award.
Rudy wants to be our president cause he showed up while
the deserter (Bush) failed to show up.
We don't want GOP actors or deserters.

Preacher Boob's picture

Rudy's much to modest to claim credit for parting the Red Sea, or

Ghost-writing An Inconvenient Truth, or

Putting Mob pressure on Diebold to guarantee Bush's election(s), or

Carrying the slab down from the mountain for Moses,

But....................

Tom's picture

Giuliani is dangerous. The mainstream media has been letting him get away with murder. His political bid should have ended in disgrace when he interrupted the debate and was melodramatic and dishonest about 9/11. BUT the media let him get away with his lies. Think the media, CNN, will let my question be asked during the debates? Not much chance of it. See this video for the CNN/YouTube debate. THIS IS WHAT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED. Far too many people are suppressing this, that goes for "progressive" blogs too.

ronhohn's picture

Trent Lott to resign before eoy. What sleazebag will replace him?

Daniel Berry's picture

freakin' brilliant..thx a million, man.

ronhohn's picture

Gary @ 38:

If all the writers are on strike how comes Fox News is still on the air?

The White House is not on strike.

Paul in LA's picture

In the Project for a New American Sentry,

Fuckabee is the real threat.

Giuliani is the circus act, the 'fake Democrat.'
He's also the Federalist Society Pinup of the Nine-eleven Month.
But if they can't rig the election, and it's getting harder,

then they roll out Reagan II.

Sneer's picture

How is Giuliani different from the giant squid, Hillary?

right wing hater's picture

Daily Reading pt 1...

Gore, Schwarzenegger to plan presidential climate forum - http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-11-15-climate-nh...
The most interesting aspect might be to get the Republican candidates on record with regards to whether they accept the scientific consensus on climate change, just as they were asked their views on evolution at one of the GOP debates. Either they will have to break with their base or will have to publicly display how conservatives place ideology over science.
http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2380

Carbon Capture: Miracle Cure for Global Warming, or Deadly Liability? - http://www.alternet.org/environment/68490/?page=entire
One destructive coal mining technique is mountaintop removal, a process where forests are clear-cut and the tops of mountains are blasted away with explosives to expose underlying layers of coal. The method has decimated the mountains and environment of Appalachia and produced devastating impacts on the health of communities.
"Its always interesting that corporate entities of the nation are eager to have government take responsibility for crap the corporations produce (as pointed out in the article) but are adamantly opposed to government taking responsibility for such things as ensuring the health of their customers--via health insurance or industry regulation."
“Clean coal is an oxymoron”.- Dennis Kucinich http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=43725

Oil, Politics & Bribes - http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/347/oil-politics.html
"With Democrats now in control of Congress, the oil and gas industry is finding that it's getting less for its money on Capitol Hill."

Conservapedia and the homo-obsession of its readers - http://www.pamshouseblend.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=D2A5D9A1E5BB082F5F...
By the way, the top 10 Wikipedia pages viewed have zero to do with homosexuality, bowels or parasites
And people wonder why Republicans & GOP pander to the 'hate gays' crowd....the right wingnuts & their undying obsession...their 'secret passion'

Daniel Ellsberg Says Sibel Edmonds Case 'Far More Explosive Than Pentagon Papers' - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brad-friedman/exclusive-daniel-ellsber_b_7...

"The emphatic victory for Rudd's Labor Party swings Australia toward the political left after almost 12 years of conservative rule, and puts it at odds with key security ally Washington on two crucial policy issues — Iraq and global warming." - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071125/ap_on_re_au_an/australia_election;_y...

Forecast: U.S. dollar could plunge 90 pct - http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Business/2007/11/19/forecast_us_dollar_could_plunge_90_pct/4876

right wing hater's picture

Daily Reading pt 2...

The Immigration Con Artists - http://www.alternet.org/story/68729/
The issue of illegal immigration is a con job to draw attention away from the corporate profiteers who are buying influence in Washington. Those same profiteers need the cheap/slave wage laborers.

New Wave of Mortgage Failures Could Create a Nightmare Economic Scenario - http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071124/apfn_doomsday_scenario.html?.v=1??

mudshark's picture

There once was a man from Nantucket,who carried everything he owned in a bucket.When voting for Rudy..they thought it's Judge Judy.Then walked away saying fuckit!

Bush launches drive for Mideast peace

This headline alone is absolute proof the Corporate Press is full of shit.

ronald's picture

Crooks and liars is partisan to the point of being naive and high school yard cliquish. For months now, I have been sending you links to clever Giuliani spoof ads. COMPLETELY IGNORED. Simplistic, beating your chest partisanship, Crooks and liars is all over it. Expand your minds a bit guys. SUVs didn't take over our roads under Bush. It happened under Clinton.
youtube.com, abrad2345

ronald's picture

At least check this one out: http://youtube.com/watch?v=sGUOUgNa8B0

OliverDreams's picture

kjohn @ 35:

My 25%er family is very,very, very excited to be able to vote for giulani. They get an inner glee and glow just referring to him. When asked what is their most important issue they reply "lower taxes", on the war they reply "if we killed more of those evil Arabs we would win" They worship the bush, have a red faced, all out fit thinking or talking about Clinton. Needless to say they are upper middle class xtians. No big surprise, they also don't think democracy is a good system of government. Some even still believe Saddam was the master mind behind 9-11 and that we did find wmds in Iraq. It would be comical if it wasn't so tragic. My college educated family is a dangerous cartoon caricature. No more family gatherings for me.

Don't duck family gatherings. Man, it's your family. You should just take the opportunity to educate them on the issues and how they are being mislead. You have the facts on your side, and if they are intelligent, eventually they might see the error in their thinking. Many people have a hard time seeing through the propaganda. We need to educate as many as we can before the next election. Your family is probably more likely to listen to your opinions and facts than from strangers.

And also tell them.....

Dennis Kucinich 08

Tekras's picture

If you enjoy watching Republicans verbally shooting each other in the face swing by the Freerepublic blog and read through the threads on Rudy vs Thompson. It's an all out death match between those who want to remain true to their "values" and those who want to win at any cost. I swear it's better than Freddie vs Jason! I'm gonna grab some popcorn and enjoy the blood bath.

OliverDreams's picture

ronald @ 51:

Crooks and liars is partisan to the point of being naive and high school yard cliquish. For months now, I have been sending you links to clever Giuliani spoof ads. COMPLETELY IGNORED. Simplistic, beating your chest partisanship, Crooks and liars is all over it. Expand your minds a bit guys. SUVs didn't take over our roads under Bush. It happened under Clinton.
youtube.com, abrad2345

You think we are worried about SUVs? What about Iraq, Health Care, the Constitution, illegal wire taps. Come out from under that red rock and look at what has happened to this country under this administration. If you think Bush has been a better president than Clinton was, you just aren't paying attention.

ronald @ 51:

Crooks and liars is partisan to the point of being naive and high school yard cliquish. For months now, I have been sending you links to clever Giuliani spoof ads. COMPLETELY IGNORED. Simplistic, beating your chest partisanship, Crooks and liars is all over it. Expand your minds a bit guys. SUVs didn't take over our roads under Bush. It happened under Clinton.
youtube.com, abrad2345

ronald @ 52:

At least check this one out: http://youtube.com/watch?v=sGUOUgNa8B0

What is your point? That we or some of us don't think what you think?

If you are accussing me (just a commentor here, by the way) of being partisan then my question to you is, "Why bother?"

I know i am partisan. I don't need to be reminded. It is like walking up to me, pointing at my face and proclaiming i have a nose!

Thanks for the info, now run along and play.

ronald's picture

Like the joke about the kid urinating in the swimming pool, the lifeguard grabs him, shakes him, "What are you doing?" The kid responds "But everyone does it". The lifeguard, "Not from the diving board." Of course Bush has taken our collective greed, arrogance and naivete to its logical conclusion, over a cliff. But if you think the lawyers, stock specualtors and telecom execs need your cheerleading, you're probably right. The same way the Bushies had the Christians cheering for them. I still suggest you check out youtube.com and plug in abrad2345. Explain to me why these ads have not been run on c & l.

ronald @ 57:

Like the joke about the kid urinating in the swimming pool, the lifeguard grabs him, shakes him, "What are you doing?" The kid responds "But everyone does it". The lifeguard, "Not from the diving board." Of course Bush has taken our collective greed, arrogance and naivete to its logical conclusion, over a cliff. But if you think the lawyers, stock specualtors and telecom execs need your cheerleading, you're probably right. The same way the Bushies had the Christians cheering for them. I still suggest you check out youtube.com and plug in abrad2345. Explain to me why these ads have not been run on c & l.

Explain to me why you don't start your own blog and run them yourself.

It's free. Its easy. Blogger.

What responsibility does anyone have to promote what you like? Do it yourself.

Jesus!

rain's picture

Rudy does not appear to have but one brain cell. He spouts off about 9-11 when his opposing candidates want to discuss something else. Does the American public really believe anything & everything this low-life says??

ronald's picture

It's not the opinions expressed here that I disagree with. It's the mean spirited, almost adolescent, I'm right you're wrong about everything tone that I find sometimes undignified especially when the powers that be provide us with so little truthful info upon to which to base our decisions.

GonzoD's picture

The General forgot that Rudy invented the wheel and wrote all the material for the Beatles!

ronald's picture

But in general I enjoy this blog, so like I am thankful on the day of the turkey, called by some the day of the small pox blanket, I am thankful for c & l.

I had no idea that C&L was the source of information on the internet.

May i suggest an additional source?

actor212 @ 63:

Banks To Blacks: Drop Dead!

Just a new form of Red Lining.

Same shit, different decade.

kjohn's picture

OliverDreams @ 53:

kjohn @ 35:

My 25%er family is very,very, very excited to be able to vote for giulani. They get an inner glee and glow just referring to him. When asked what is their most important issue they reply "lower taxes", on the war they reply "if we killed more of those evil Arabs we would win" They worship the bush, have a red faced, all out fit thinking or talking about Clinton. Needless to say they are upper middle class xtians. No big surprise, they also don't think democracy is a good system of government. Some even still believe Saddam was the master mind behind 9-11 and that we did find wmds in Iraq. It would be comical if it wasn't so tragic. My college educated family is a dangerous cartoon caricature. No more family gatherings for me.

Don't duck family gatherings. Man, it's your family. You should just take the opportunity to educate them on the issues and how they are being mislead. You have the facts on your side, and if they are intelligent, eventually they might see the error in their thinking. Many people have a hard time seeing through the propaganda. We need to educate as many as we can before the next election. Your family is probably more likely to listen to your opinions and facts than from strangers.

And also tell them.....

Dennis Kucinich 08

To Oliverdreams@53
I have tried for a long time to present facts with links to my family (video of the bush responding to a reporter's question about Saddam and 9-11, saying there was no connection, etc ). They refuse to watch it or see any evidence to the contrary to their views. If it is not on limbaugh's radio show it's not real. More recent family gatherings started with me being told to STFU as I walked in the door. These are the hardcore 25%ers. There are no facts in their world that is contrary to limbaugh.

ysaddaden's picture

He's the man from Nantucket

So everyone say f**k it.

ysaddaden's picture

Sneer @ 47:

How is Giuliani different from the giant squid, Hillary?

You haven't had the birds and bees talk yet, have you?

Terrible's picture

kjohn @ 35:

My 25%er family is very,very, very excited to be able to vote for giulani. They get an inner glee and glow just referring to him. When asked what is their most important issue they reply "lower taxes", on the war they reply "if we killed more of those evil Arabs we would win" They worship the bush, have a red faced, all out fit thinking or talking about Clinton. Needless to say they are upper middle class xtians. No big surprise, they also don't think democracy is a good system of government. Some even still believe Saddam was the master mind behind 9-11 and that we did find wmds in Iraq. It would be comical if it wasn't so tragic. My college educated family is a dangerous cartoon caricature. No more family gatherings for me.

Pretty much says it all about the 25%ers. They actually hate American democracy. But think that they are some kind of patriots.

ronald's picture

OliverDreams @ 55:

ronald @ 51:

Crooks and liars is partisan to the point of being naive and high school yard cliquish. For months now, I have been sending you links to clever Giuliani spoof ads. COMPLETELY IGNORED. Simplistic, beating your chest partisanship, Crooks and liars is all over it. Expand your minds a bit guys. SUVs didn't take over our roads under Bush. It happened under Clinton.
youtube.com, abrad2345

You think we are worried about SUVs? What about Iraq, Health Care, the Constitution, illegal wire taps. Come out from under that red rock and look at what has happened to this country under this administration. If you think Bush has been a better president than Clinton was, you just aren't paying attention.

You're not worried about SUVs? It's all about SUVs. The war in Iraq, global warming, Americans' arrogance and inalienable right to be better protected and higher up than everyone else... the list goes on.

OliverDreams's picture

kjohn @ 65:

OliverDreams @ 53:

kjohn @ 35:

My 25%er family is very,very, very excited to be able to vote for giulani. They get an inner glee and glow just referring to him. When asked what is their most important issue they reply "lower taxes", on the war they reply "if we killed more of those evil Arabs we would win" They worship the bush, have a red faced, all out fit thinking or talking about Clinton. Needless to say they are upper middle class xtians. No big surprise, they also don't think democracy is a good system of government. Some even still believe Saddam was the master mind behind 9-11 and that we did find wmds in Iraq. It would be comical if it wasn't so tragic. My college educated family is a dangerous cartoon caricature. No more family gatherings for me.

Don't duck family gatherings. Man, it's your family. You should just take the opportunity to educate them on the issues and how they are being mislead. You have the facts on your side, and if they are intelligent, eventually they might see the error in their thinking. Many people have a hard time seeing through the propaganda. We need to educate as many as we can before the next election. Your family is probably more likely to listen to your opinions and facts than from strangers.

And also tell them.....

Dennis Kucinich 08

To Oliverdreams@53
I have tried for a long time to present facts with links to my family (video of the bush responding to a reporter's question about Saddam and 9-11, saying there was no connection, etc ). They refuse to watch it or see any evidence to the contrary to their views. If it is not on limbaugh's radio show it's not real. More recent family gatherings started with me being told to STFU as I walked in the door. These are the hardcore 25%ers. There are no facts in their world that is contrary to limbaugh.

Ah, when they can't win the argument, STFU is all they have to cling to. I've forced the issue enough to make some have to research to get ammo to back their side. When they do that, they often discover the facts and change their stance. It has worked for a number or times the past 5 years. But you are right, there are some hard core 25 percenters that are unwilling to take a real look. Still, the stakes are high enough that I will continue to try. Our nation, our freedom and our rights are at stake.

But....I hear ya....and I feel your frustration.
But Dennis continues to try, and so will I.

Kucinich 08

ronald's picture

xoites defends Constitution @ 56:

ronald @ 51:

Crooks and liars is partisan to the point of being naive and high school yard cliquish. For months now, I have been sending you links to clever Giuliani spoof ads. COMPLETELY IGNORED. Simplistic, beating your chest partisanship, Crooks and liars is all over it. Expand your minds a bit guys. SUVs didn't take over our roads under Bush. It happened under Clinton.
youtube.com, abrad2345

ronald @ 52:

At least check this one out: http://youtube.com/watch?v=sGUOUgNa8B0

What is your point? That we or some of us don't think what you think?

If you are accussing me (just a commentor here, by the way) of being partisan then my question to you is, "Why bother?"

I know i am partisan. I don't need to be reminded. It is like walking up to me, pointing at my face and proclaiming i have a nose!

Thanks for the info, now run along and play.

Partisan on whose behalf? That's my question. The Democratic Party? America? The working class? The planet? Yourself?

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ronald @ 71:

xoites defends Constitution @ 56:

ronald @ 51:

Crooks and liars is partisan to the point of being naive and high school yard cliquish. For months now, I have been sending you links to clever Giuliani spoof ads. COMPLETELY IGNORED. Simplistic, beating your chest partisanship, Crooks and liars is all over it. Expand your minds a bit guys. SUVs didn't take over our roads under Bush. It happened under Clinton.
youtube.com, abrad2345

ronald @ 52:

At least check this one out: http://youtube.com/watch?v=sGUOUgNa8B0

What is your point? That we or some of us don't think what you think?

If you are accussing me (just a commentor here, by the way) of being partisan then my question to you is, "Why bother?"

I know i am partisan. I don't need to be reminded. It is like walking up to me, pointing at my face and proclaiming i have a nose!

Thanks for the info, now run along and play.

Partisan on whose behalf? That's my question. The Democratic Party? America? The working class? The planet? Yourself?

Read what i post and figure it out.

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ronald @ 69:

OliverDreams @ 55:

ronald @ 51:

Crooks and liars is partisan to the point of being naive and high school yard cliquish. For months now, I have been sending you links to clever Giuliani spoof ads. COMPLETELY IGNORED. Simplistic, beating your chest partisanship, Crooks and liars is all over it. Expand your minds a bit guys. SUVs didn't take over our roads under Bush. It happened under Clinton.
youtube.com, abrad2345

You think we are worried about SUVs? What about Iraq, Health Care, the Constitution, illegal wire taps. Come out from under that red rock and look at what has happened to this country under this administration. If you think Bush has been a better president than Clinton was, you just aren't paying attention.

You're not worried about SUVs? It's all about SUVs. The war in Iraq, global warming, Americans' arrogance and inalienable right to be better protected and higher up than everyone else... the list goes on.

It's not ALL about oil, but you are on the right track. It's all about MONEY.
Our health care system is in shambles from the greed of big pharma and the insurance companies, not because of oil. And that big MONEY is buying up all of the media outlets so that their propaganda is everywhere, and therefore accepted by the masses as truth. Our only hope is a grass roots education of the people. Even that may not work, but it is our only chance and I'm going to do my part whenever I can.

Kucinich 08

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That poster must be right. Just look at that ear!

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The next president will have to deal with yet another crippling legacy of George W. Bush: the economy. A Nobel laureate, Joseph E. Stiglitz, sees a generation-long struggle to recoup.

Reckoning: The Economic Consequences of Mr. Bush

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/12/bush200712

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I've been reading the back and forth between Ronald and Xoites. Between all their bickering, it's clear to me that they've both forgotten to take their meds today. You're on the same side!!

I (think) what Ronald was trying to say is simply that the clever Nantucket ad is in the same vein as the series of satirical Rudy ads created over the last few months by the anonymous "abrad2345" on YouTube. Ronald, C&L did post one of the early ones (not sure why you're complaining), but I've been following them on my own. I LFMAO each time...just as I did with the Nantucket ads. There's about 8 of them, and no one's figured out where they're coming from. Here's the link to the main YouTube page for them (though for some reason, YouTube is all UK today). In short, if you liked the Nantucket ads, you'll like these. (I wouldn't be surprised if they were by the same people.)
The latest was a stinging satire of Giuliani in the guise of an attack ad against Hillary and the drivers license issue.

xoites defends Constitution @ 73:

ronald @ 71:

xoites defends Constitution @ 56:

ronald @ 51:
ronald @ 52:

What is your point? That we or some of us don't think what you think?

If you are accussing me (just a commentor here, by the way) of being partisan then my question to you is, "Why bother?"

I know i am partisan. I don't need to be reminded. It is like walking up to me, pointing at my face and proclaiming i have a nose!

Thanks for the info, now run along and play.

Partisan on whose behalf? That's my question. The Democratic Party? America? The working class? The planet? Yourself?

Read what i post and figure it out.

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The Jesus' General posters kick-ass!!!
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Here's Rudy from Nantucket
When his firemen needed radios
he said F--k it!

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Evidence emerging that there's some hidden DNC opposition to the Speaker, that is looking for a voice. Details Will this be the group that breaks ranks with Pelosi on impeachment, joins with the GOP, and forms a new coalation to unseat the Speaker?

We'll see . . .it's a long time until January 2009.

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I can't see a picture of Giuliani without it seeming to resemble a picture of Benito Mussolini.

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There's an other point that isn't adding up: There's this attitude of the DNC, "If we play nice on Bush-Cheney impeachment, we'll win the White House." That's non-sense. Even with the number one DNC Candidate (Hillary), the GOP leads.

What is the DNC waiting for: A foregone conclusion of certainty? It's not going to happen. the DNC will be kicking itself if the GOP wins the White House, "Wow, we should've impeached him. . ."

Again, the impeachment decision should be based on whether the Congress will or will not defend the Constittuion, not its party. I seen o evidence that the DNC is going to be worse off if it responsibly impeaches the President for clear crimes. At best, inaction on impeachable offenses would cause a problem: Voters will throw up their hands, stay home, concluding, "Why bother to belieev them? They lied in 2006. Not worth the bother."

Time for the DNC to stop making romises of "waht will hapen" and start doing its job now in the Congress: Defend the Constitution.

Now, if the real answer is taht the DNC has been complicit, has not done their job, or failed to -- as a minority party, 2001-2006 to have done something -- then that's a searate issue. But it's boggling to see the DNC do nothing on impeachment with this level of evidence.

What is teh DNC really affraid of: that evidence of its complicit will surface? Well, that's on the table, and the DNC is doing just fine in Congress: 12% approval rating? [/snark] It don't see how it could get any worse, unless Congress was silent while the President illegally . . . .(oh, they did that didn't they).

One reason Americans are throwing up their hands is that this US government has screwed up this country since 2001. It's blamed others, failed to stand by principles, and been abusive not just around teh globe but at home. If Americans want to believe in something, they need to see leaders who aren't going to waste money, and going to act responsible in the finacial sector. A reckless, costly war -- of chocie, not necessessity, nor imminence -- is doing nothing to inspire confidece in the US financial system.

The US government may be powerful, it may have large budgets, and it may have many contactors working for it. But there is one thing it has less of since 2001: Credibility. That's where the public, voters, We the People, and the States come in: Our hands are clean. This US government can either accept that it's botched this to high heaven; or it can become less relevant as the public turns more to the States to assert power to check the recklessly abused powers this Congerss silently does nothing about.

But on the table isn't just an issue of power. On the table is the issue of whether the public -- inspired by this incompetence in the US Congress -- will dare to discuss outside Congress real solutions to this mess: How will power be revoked/redivided; what lawful options need to be asserted; and what will be done to impose teh rule of law on lazy Members of Congerss ad legal counsel allegedly complicit with war crimes. This isn't an issue that is going to go away, but it is going to get worse, regarless the decision of Membesrs of COngress to do nothing about the President and Vice President.

Even if Congress refuses to act, the States have the power to directly prosecute Members of Cogerss and the President/VP. Congress is not the final say; nor are the states obliged to heed the Congress' legacy of inaction as precedent. Whether the State AGs do or do not assert their oath remains to be seen: But that option is on the table, regardless the House "decision" to allegedly remain complicit with reckless assent to war crimes.

Since 2001, Americas have seen one of the worst side of the US government. But not the worst. It can get worse. But that is not a reason to give up hope. It is a reason to celebrate: That the public's voice has checked this government; or votes in 2006 did make a differnce; and our freedom -- for the most part -- has been preserved. But this does not mean the work is done, or that it will be without setbacks. But it does mean that the effort to assert our rights is a noble calling, and one that all Americans continue to have -- for th emost part -- ability to assert. Butrighst that are not used out of fear of their being taken is not real freedom.

Its time to lawfully assert all our lawful options, do what we can to remind the leadership they have We the Peole to contend with; and that we -- collectively -- can oversee what appears to be an abusive, reckless, and irresponsible Congress. Voting is not the only option. We can lead direct efforts to prosecute, hear evidence, and indict sitting Members of Congerss; and thruogh the Grand Jury process indict the Presidet and VP. This evidence can be heard at the State level.

The US govenment has had its chance. This does not mean the door is closed. It means its time for the public to use the State level options to defend the Constitution agaist -- what appears to be -- a group of irresonsible, reckless, incompetent toads in Congress more afraid of their own ower than in confronting the President to defend teh Constitution.

It cannot be said that "defending" the Constitution is met by doing nothing. IT can be said that when the US Congress refuses to defend, it's time for We the People to go on the lawful offense: And target for removal the roadblock to an impeachment investigation -- the Speaker herself; then open the door to direct prosecution of the President and VP through the State AGs. This is not an all or nothing aproach, but many options being employed at teh same time, to compel the COngress to act; or, if they refuse, to suffer the lawful consequences. We don't have to wait until the election. We can start now.

Please ask your friends to blog about these issues. and focuse on whether you support or do not support removing Pelosi as Speaker. Share your views. But do not remain silent. Speak out. Thank you.

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Challenging Pelosi @ 84:

Evidence emerging that there's some hidden DNC opposition to the Speaker

You spelled DLC incorrectly.

If it's a surprise to you that the DLC would prefer to have Hoyer as Speaker, you should take your head out of your shoe.

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Challenge Pelosi @ 86:

Even with the number one DNC Candidate (Hillary), the GOP leads.

In their dreams. Btw, you might want to note that the election is a year from now, and a poll a year out is WORTHLESS.

By that time next year, the primaries will be long over, and the ACTUAL views of the electorate will be a choice between two candidates, not across the entire spectrum.

1,000 persons polled does NOT equal reality. This kind of political polling is useless propaganda.

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Paul in LA @ 88:

Challenge Pelosi @ 86:

Even with the number one DNC Candidate (Hillary), the GOP leads.

In their dreams. Btw, you might want to note that the election is a year from now, and a poll a year out is WORTHLESS.

By that time next year, the primaries will be long over, and the ACTUAL views of the electorate will be a choice between two candidates, not across the entire spectrum.

1,000 persons polled does NOT equal reality. This kind of political polling is useless propaganda.

It's called a sample, Paul. Read up on statistics. It may not be exact, but what else do you have?

You're missing the point: The issue of challenging Pelosi is unrelated to the election. If the GOP wins the election (speculation), the DNC is going to be kicking itself for inaction on impeachment.

Also, stop changing the argument: There's a difference between (a) an impeachment investigation of the VP; and (b) a decision of the House to remove Pelosi. Can't use the excuse of "there will be no successful Senate result after a trial" as a basis to not remove all the roadblocks to an impeachment investigation.

You're not making good arguments not to remove Pelosi. As to the issue of the DLC vs DNC. The DLC isn't relevant: Where was the DLC or DNC on the Kucinich resolution? That's right: With the minority, opposing the resolution; while the GOP supported it (for whatever reason). The issue is: A majority of the House support an impeachment investigation of the VP.

The DLC, as the minority (on the issue of the Kucinich resolution), would also be in the minority on the issue of the effort to remove Pelosi, and make way for the investigation. Why would a majority fo the House vote to support a resolution; but then reverse themselves, and not remove all the roadblocks to that investigation? That defies reason.

Please name what is stopping this investigation from proceeding? It appears it is only the Speaker who is in the way. Again, the issue here isn't whether the Senate will or will not convict; but whether all the roadblocks to an investigation of the VP have been removed. They have not. Time for the Speaker to get challenged.

Moreover, you failed to address the issues raised in response to your previous questions: Regardless the DLC position on Pelosi, the House Majority -- not the DLC -- would decide the next Speaker. It's called a caucus, which would include the GOP and DNC, and not necessarily include anyone from the DLC. The DLC are in the minority on the impeachment issues.

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Stop changing other people's arguments.
 
Paul in LA @ 87:

Challenging Pelosi @ 84:

Evidence emerging that there's some hidden DNC opposition to the Speaker

You spelled DLC incorrectly.

If it's a surprise to you that the DLC would prefer to have Hoyer as Speaker, you should take your head out of your shoe.

No, you're changing the issue from whether the House majority -- including the DNC, not DLC -- do or do not support Pelosi on impeachment. There is enough of the DNC, not DLC that support an investigation. Stop changing the argument from the DNC opposition to Pelosi (as measured by the Kucinich resolution) to whether the DLC might want someone else as Speaker. The DLC is in the minority on the impeachment issue, as evidenced by the Kucinich resolution. Specifically, you've not addressed these points raised. It doesn't appear you've addressed these issues raised at the link.

Also, you fail to address this inherent opposition to Pelosi within the DNC: here, documented since 2006. Where did that opposition go; and how many of them voted to defy Pelosi on impeachment? Time to find out with a proclamation calling on the House to vacate the Speaker position.

You're not making the case that the same group -- which is a majority, and defied Pelosi on impeachment, and voted for the Kucinich resolution -- is going to magically reverse itself, and vote to uphold her apparent block of the investigation. That defies reason.

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Action Alert

If you know anyone at Kos, please ask them to visit this diary to comment on this effort to remove Pelosi as Speaker, and make way for impeachment.

It was suggested to me that during the Nixon Watergate scandal, that comment was made that Nixon's tampering with peace efforts were reason to bring the case to The Hague.

I've searched high and low for the documentation on this and gotten NOWHERE.

Now, I find this FASCINATING a line of endeavor, seeing as how the DemocRATS taking army lobbying money, junkets to the Middle East, continuing the passage of pro-torture amendments and all the various OTHER crimes they are up to, continue to block the obvious impeachment grounds.

I think that filing for a hearing in The Hague would be a GREAT idea. One, we would get even MORE exposure that as MURKANS we do care about an end to the killing and is taking precedence over our fooling around with a political system that CLEARLY does not work. It might push CONgress into taking some action ..

I am in exile under the War on Drugs; thus I am a landed Canadian and a persona non grata in the United States, BUT I have a vested interested in getting the crook$ and liar$ OUT; I have children. I'd be glad to help make this whole effort more GLOBAL. There would be alot to gain.

If you go and check out my blog, you'll see there is plenty of information about the BAE scandal that is being covered up in the US and Canadian papers; Lyndon Larouche is calling for the outster of Nancy Pelosi (no, I am not a Larouch-ite) - based on links to the BAE scandals, in which it is alleged that Dick Cheney had ordered the coverup but it didn't work. Larouche ALSO says that Nancy Pelosi is in bed with Felix Rohatyn, war monger banker, which would explain a few things. What she is doing with Syrian President Assad is certainly of interest!! These warmongers play both sides, well, All Sides.

So, I'll continue to post anything coming my way; I am certain Marc Parent would do the same. But I don't think we need to sit around waiting for more THOUSANDS to be killed before taking ACTION. By taking this case to The Hague, by getting more global links made to those who would LOVE to see these removals take place in America (Pelosi, BuZh, Cheney and the rest of them) .. we would be giving everyone hope.

Although, the charges against Rumsfield did not stick in France, that effort sure made headlines! Why not use those energetic people to help out? Many are wondering why Pelosi cannot be taken down worldwide.

The BAE scandal is going to rock the world when the truth is KNOWN .. and I have a letter on my blog somewhere showing how the Kerry Committee is looking into the funny money business and the shenanigans - if he hadn't done so, the UK Seroius Frauds office would have covered the whole thing up. A UK court RULED only this week to continue the investigations. Just do a google on "BAE" and lots will turn up. Also, the Larouche material is under BAE CHENEY.

Even just making an attempt to take our case to The Hague would generate TONS Of headlines .. and commentary.

I am glad that not everyone on this list is into DENIAL and DELUSION. These guys at the top must GO.

Virginia

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