US Scales Back Political Goals for Iraqi Unity: Will they try to oust Maliki?
The NY Times has the latest from the ever changing Iraq narrative from BushCo. So, what are we fighting for?
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With American military successes outpacing political gains in Iraq, the Bush administration has lowered its expectation of quickly achieving major steps toward unifying the country, including passage of a long-stymied plan to share oil revenues and holding regional elections.
There have been signs that American influence over Iraqi politics is dwindling after the recent improvements in Will the US then stage a coup and oust Maliki to put in a Chalabi type puppet in his place? This war and their supporters represent the term "absurd" in the extreme. security — which remain incomplete, as shown by a deadly bombing Friday in Baghdad. While Bush officials once said they aimed to secure “reconciliation” among Iraq’s deeply divided religious, ethnic and sectarian groups, some officials now refer to their goal as “accommodation.”...read on
So now their goals have changed to one of accommodation. It's CRAZY TALK@! Bush wants this war to continue so that when he leaves leave office he can hope that Michael Gerson writes the official version for all our history books. It's all about his legacy, you see. What a joke.
I've been saving the above clip for a few weeks now and I think this is the right time to post it. On 10/14/07, Lindsey Graham (CNN's Late Edition) said that if by the end of the year---the elected government of Iraq, run by Maliki---doesn't get the job done he should be removed. WTF?
BLITZER: ...But what happens if they fail to divide up the oil, if they fail to get those elections, they don't disband all the various militias by the end of the year? Then what does the United States do?
GRAHAM: ...So I am hopeful that some of these people at the local level will have a stronger voice. And I'm hopeful that Talabani, Maliki, and Hashemi and all the major players can have a breakthrough.
I'm asking them to do things they say are important for their country. The conditions are right now and, quite honestly, if they can't do it by the end of the year, I have real doubts that this group will ever do it so we need a new political strategy to find a group that can.
Find a group that can? Ladies and Gentlemen this is a major clusterf*&k and the scaled down violence is only an excuse to perpetuate this atrocity. Will the US then stage a coup and oust Maliki to put in a Chalabi type puppet in his place? This war and their supporters represent the term "absurd" in the extreme.
Dang it, Saddam is already dead too.
What about that friendly Sheik? Oh, he's dead too...
Maybe there's a Bin Laden Prince that can become Iraq's new dictator for life?
Are all the Fristers taking the day off?
I thought we used to wait at least 30 years before overthrowing our own puppet governments?
Ahh well.
The farce that is Iraqi democracy. Yes, time for a foreign occupier to 'find a group' that can lead. How Jeffersonian.
Pathetic.
-GSD
Chalabi would be the worst person for the people of Iraq and probably the best for the bush administration as far as being their handmaiden.
I forget which book about the war I read this in, but the Iraqi people resent anyone like Chalabi who left the country when Saddam was in charge and then came back to take their pick of the spoils after the US invasion. I doubt he has many friends there now so the only way he probably could get elected is through some hanky panky at the voting booths. This gang of bush crooks knows all about how to do that.
pissed off patricia @ 5:
I very much doubt an election would be held -- they tend to not turn out the way the Administration would like, what with people having their own idee-ers and such.
One of three thing's will happen.
1 : Bush suspends elections and keeps Iraq going untill the American people put his head on a pike.
2: Bush will pull Bin Lauden out of his ass 3 to 6 months before the election and spend the rest of his worthless life saying that he got it right.
3: More then likely Bush will do the same thing he has done his whole life. Get into a position of power based on his family connections, run that position into the fucking ground and then walk away richer but none the wiser.
My Friends, my brothers & sisters, I implore you.....
Check out this YouTube link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77ZXo
If this doesn't scare the living crap out of you then
nothing will.
Pass this around to ALL you know while there is still
time left to act.
V
And to think, not so very long ago things were going so well in Iraq. Graham got “five rugs for five bucks” and Mike Pence was saying it was like Indiana. Ah… seems like it was only yesterday. Whac-a-Mole
I wonder if, when Bush looked him in the eyes, Nouri al-Maliki had any idea Bush would eventually stab him in the back.
where's congress?
We're fighting for WMD's
Witless for Mass Deceptions.
Just when I thought Irag couldn't possibly get any more...clusterfuckery...
I sure hope BushCo has some type of strategery to handle this.
liberalNmoderation @ 13:
Uh...I meant Iraq...hehehe
I watched Graham v. Levin on FNS and it was highly entertaining. Graham put on his best smartass performance and it was fun watching the normally even tempered Levin tear into him. Of course, Chris Wallace immediately cut the segment before Levin was finished skinning Graham.
Is Linsday Graham out of the closet yet? I mean, come on. The name Linsdsay is enough to ensure any man will be gay. Why do you think Wolf Blitzer goes by Wolf instead of his real name Leslie? And why do you think "Pat" Robertson goes by Pat instead of his real name Marion. Because a fey name will turn you gay! And Lindsay rhymes with gay!
Any agreements Bushco extorts from whatever puppets they install and which give away Iraq's natural resources to foreigners will never stand or be honored.
Maliki needs to order the US out of his country. He needs to issue that order before a full session of the UN.
Paul @ 17:
And Iraq has just offered a deal for the LONG TERM US military presence....great.
Here's the link....
http://www.yahoo.com/s/744925
malarki is staying and so are we:
Ooops:
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004772.php
Until he comes out of the closet, I cant really take seriously anything Lindsay GAY-ham says....
getalife @ 21:
Hehehe...looks like we were thinkin the same thing...
Early 21st century vocabulary 101:
Clusterf*ck: Democratic and Republican conventions for Indecision 2008.
Catastroph*ck: what is happening and what will continue to happen in Iraq as long as US troops are there.
Same mess, different places.
3: More then likely Bush will do the same thing he has done his whole life. Get into a position of power based on his family connections, run that position into the fucking ground and then walk away richer but none the wiser.
Ding Ding Ding Ding ....We have a winner!
LG is hopeful? Hopeful? What an ass.
“This war and their supporters represent the term “absurd” in the extreme.”
I prefer the term “bizarre”. Absurd connotes understanding as in “they know what they are doing”. From what I’ve seen, these people don’t have a frigging clue what they are doing and to me that is simply bizarre. Let’s face it. Even a 5th grader is smarter than these asshats. And that is truly bizarre.
OK here comes the puppet.
IRAN - 1953 - CIA orchestrated coup.The SHAH ( the US Puppet) is placed in power.
IRAN - 1979 - IRANIAN Revolution . The Ayatollahs .ARGH. What happened???
Elapsed Time = 26 years
IRAQ - 2008 - A Chabali type puppet.
IRAQ - 2034 - IRAQI Revolution - More of those Ayatollahs.
Elapsed Time = 26 years.
The Chabali family has more US tax payers money in their Swiss bank account that you could ever imagine.
earl @ 25:
SOS same old shit :(
We must support The Mahdi Army!
What better way to cover one's complete fucking up of achieving elaborate goals (at the cost of nearly 4,000 American lives) than to merely tell the public "No, that's not what we had in mind - we really wanted to achieve this, not that."
Is this not the equivalent of a dog shitting on the driveway instead of the grass, but then kicking grass on top of it in a vain attempt to cover up the mess???
Am I wrong at all in that comparison??
When is this closet case going to come out?
James Izzard
A few certainties...
1. America will win the war in Iraq.
2. Congress cannot and will not do anything about it.
3. GWB will be president until Jan 09.
4. Libs will cry about all of the above.
Gay, Gay, Gay
Lindsey Graham come on down you are the newest contestant on out of the closet.
Interesting logic. "The conditions are right now and, quite honestly, if they can’t do it by the end of the year, I have real doubts that this group will ever do it so we need a new political strategy to find a group that can."
Since our President has had two terms to get the job done, I have real doubts that he will get it done. So it is not working and we need to find a group who can get the job done. Right Sen. Graham ?
Reality_Check @ 32:
You left out a real certainty:
'Reality Checks' are based on 'Reality.' You should remember that when you launch a lame attempt to school those of us who live in a reality-based world.
V 4 Vendetta@8;
I saw the utube vid.... I can't really find the words to discribe my sense of outrage.... This is the culmination of an evil evil plan by people some euphemistically call globalists. In the works for far longer as an idea then the 60 years or so of real manipulation... This IS, the real world manifestation of every cautionary tale from 1984 both backwards and forwards in literature and every other means of communications of a cautionary warning to mankind that this one world rule by the minority of super rich over the vastly larger population rendered as nothing more than supervised cogs in a hope grinding, a hope eradicating machine.... is being consciously brought to a reality by those for which this kind of world would serve them and their offspring in purpetuity.
I feel powerless.. I feel like just getting up from this desk I'm sitting at.. and leaving....My job, my future, my hopes and dreams for myself and my offspring are meaningless in the face of this planned future of haves always and never haves ever. I reject the very concepts these people would render upon the world and its population... I reject it savagely and with ill will towards those who would promote and work towards it. This is not the future I would wish to see for mankind and my decendants. This is a world of forever locked in stratification, the rich remaining rich, the poor and working class remaining forever locked into those classes...Off hand it has more in common with Indias class system than anything I can come up with as a discription. A class system rendered worldwide and permeating every aspect of life...forever.
Swearing about it won't do... Ranting about specifics would take weeks, maybe months just to identify all the individual components that make up this 'master plan' of evil classism... No indivudual act in rebellion will do.. It would probably be pointless to the extent of being counterproductive to those who would stand honorably against this abomination, since the media would obviously spin it as madness. Shoot Bush? Dismember Cheney? for instance? Two members of our species who obviously are active participants in this deception?? Not only would that not solve anything, it would leave them as martyrs for use in this evil quest. Given the scope of this situation, it would be akin to spitting into the ocean to stop the tide from coming ashore..
A meaningless, pointless jesture of futility....
At this point, I suspect, nay fear, only worldwide condemnation and a rising up of the huddled unwashed and unweathy masses, across all the false ideological or religious boundaries, a strong voicing of rejection by everyone, everywhere, who feels they have a stake or desire in self determination, no matter race, ethnicity or politics or religion, rising up in unison would ever have a chance to stave this bleak future off... And I believe it is indeed a bleak future planned for humanity under this paradigm.... And that last as a plan? The reason I say the word fear in connection to it? Unfortunately, in today world, given the worldwide discontent and suspicion evident everywhere by all peoples against everyone else? Especially if there are any perceptions of difference at all between what should be, in a sane understanding of what we all face here, groups of people with common cause to stand against it.... Has about the same chance of success in staving this off presently as that spitting into the ocean thing... I have no ideas... I am open to thougths and concerns and ideas other may have about this situation....JD
Far from being a Democracy Iraq has become a feudal society. Much like Afganistan after the Soviets left with only the Taliban able to bring order by ruthless means and strict theocratic rule.
The same fate is in store for Iraq thanks to the fascists corporate stooges in the White House and their loyal followers.
Impeach before it's too late!
Reality_Check @ 32:
Reality check? More like 'Delusional On All Fronts.'
1. Go ahead and pitch Iraq as a success. Only an idiot would consider continued bombings and rising body count as measures of success. The failure is and will continue to be Pakistan, with its tested, deployable nuclear weapons - not Saddam's make-believe WMDs.
2. "Do anything" about what? Impeaching Bush? That much is clear. Winning in Iraq? We weren't 'winning' with a GOP-led Congress, and we're not winning with a Democratic-led Congress.
3. Please tell me you're not so uneducated as to sign off on the moving goalposts comedy routine that we're seeing now. Victory is determined by what the mission is, and the mission is redefined every other week, it seems. Where's this 'bottom-up' reconciliation horseshit that Petraeus wasted our time with in September? It's fucking nowhere, because it means nothing. Where's the reduced casualty figures? Again, nowhere, because formerly safe areas like Baghdad are becoming bombing sites, and the government is neglecting to count brain injuries. So, suddenly, the Maliki government, under whom all this supposed progress has been made, isn't good enough for the job anymore?
4. Liberals continue to voice their opposition to a foreign policy and leadership that has both made this country less safe, and decidedly more like the regimes we are supposedly standing in opposition to.
And that's probably more verbiage than you should receive, troll.
It's hard to cut through the chatter, but I think the only improvement they're citing in Iraq is in Baghdad, not the entirity of Iraq. Additionally, they have funny ways of counting the dead to make them official casualties of war or merely "criminal" acts.
And then when the war does ultimately win, what have we won? There are no WMD's, the world seems to hate us, and the war is getting us into serious debt bringing down the dollar value. And even then we can't sell our cheaper US exports.
James Izzard @ 31:
When he does?
http://www.netzkobold.com/uploads/pictures/eddie_izzard.jpg
miss_kitty @ 35:
Reality is based solely on perception, MK. Like the way you and the majority of the readers of this blog probably perceive me as a Bush loving, gun toting, oil hungry wacko-which couldn't be further from the truth. I didn't vote for GWB, I don't think we should have gone to Iraq, and I don't want war with other countries. I will actually be glad when GWB leaves office because of the divide his administration has caused. I can only hope the next commander in chief won't cause such hatred as calling for his "head on a pike". Now for those that don't agree...let the attacks begin.
ysaddaden @ 39:
Seriously. If we can't fight terrorism without accruing a debt that will take generations to pay off, without trashing the strength of the dollar ... what have we accomplished?
Please tell me there's more to our strategy than hurrahing the town* and acquiring a foreign dependent. We can't spend our way to victory.
* "hurrahing the town" - reference to the Old West era, where rowdies would ride into town, stir up trouble, and leave. Fitting for Cowboy George and the magic democracy dust crowd.
If the neo-clowns had any brains, they'd know it's time to cut and run. But they don't.
Cut Iraq into two or three parts. Let them run it themselves.
Then get out and face the war crimes trials.
And the pike the head is mounted on, is it wall mountable and sings Funky Town?
Wow, those purple fingertips really DID mean they were finally free to choose their own leaders, huh.
Reality_Check @ 41:
I do not need to see a hammer fall (perception) to actually know that gravity works (reality). On the other hand, I should be able to fly, since I saw a magician do it once.
Of course, if your assertion that 'reality is perception based,' seeing that it's your fingers typing the words through which we perceive you, if you don't like being 'attacked,' then perhaps you need to choose your words more carefully. There are no points for martyrdom on C&L.
The reality is that we have 3,800+ dead soldiers. There is no unity government, no 'bottom-up' reconciliation (the Shiite-majority parliament heaped scorn upon the U.S. idea of arming tribal leaders as a means of providing stability/security to a region). The reality is that we have a rapidly-increasing debt flowing directly out of this administration's policies.
Man, what an ugly mofo!
Now here's a good picture of a gay man.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Graham_Chapman_Colonel.jpg
46 Shadowgm
I think I've heard that already one Iraqi warlord we armed to fight Al Bundy has already attacked another Iraq warlord we also armed.
Here's how we woulda handled the war in the old days
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMkth8FWno
hernia surgeons must be making a mint from all the Bushies moving the Iraq goalposts every day
Lo-maxx @ 34:
I concur whole-heartedly with Lo-maxx.
Bush has had almost five years to "do it".
Where are Lindsay's cries for the removal of those responsible for this mess???
the comedian gallagher once said that when he looks at pyramids he sees deminishing goals. the same can certainly be said for this administration and its chickenshit chicken hawk (CSCH) supporters. they have scaled down every goal publically anounced for the iraqi government. and why stop now. i heard one CSCH on fox morning nit wits , sorry i can not remember his name but does it really matter with these birds of a feather, saying that political reconciliation is happening at the local levels and that is what we started the surge to accomplish. we sent more troops to create a safer environment for "local" political leaders to work out their differences.
after awhile, keeping up with their recreationistic spin makes the brain hurt.
If the goal was political reconciliation, why has it taken four years and 3,800+ dead soldiers to figure this out?
If we were fighting actions to achieve a point where political reconciliation was possbile, how is that we declared an end to 'major combat operations' in the now-infamous 'Mission Accomplished' moment?
No matter how you slice it, it comes out bologna.
Years from now, we'll be paying the price for the past four years, not only economically in our own country, but politically, as a Shiite-led country will naturally gravitate towards its nearest Shiite neighbor for stability. Concessions to Sunni and Kurdish minorities will be something the Iraqi government simply will not accept on a broader scale with its Sunni neighbors.
y'all should give senator graham the benefit of the doubt. he is the only current military man to be serving in iraq. he did a tour of duty just recently in iraq and he is military lawyer. at least this man respect the rule of laws and have the guts to talk about the geneva convetion. he maybe a warmonger but he have the guts to actually fight in it.
Who was it who said that low expectations constitute a "soft" bigotry? Some wise man, no doubt.
But Maliki is duly elected in a free and democratic election.
split up the oil rights? bushco with their texas friend have already split up the oil rights.
the bush family gets it all. more stealing and lieing from the bastards in the whitehouse. and let's not forget that cheney has a large piece of this oil pie. how else will he be able to pay for his new home and offices in Dubai?
Aunt Bea.
POTTERY BARN RULES(in an ownership society), WE will be there a long, long time, and paying, and paying, and paying,------
1-202-225-0100 DEMAND IMPEACHMENT.
"Look for new horses to ride"
That's pretty fucking funny coming from you Lindsey! And who have you been riding.. hmm?
Who are we to say that those Iraqi's who voted their Government into office need to oust them?
If they made a wrong choice (look at us in 2000 and 2004) :( you deal with that wrong choice till the next election. Meanwhile we get the hell out of dodge and let them deal with their Government.
We have become the dictators...... telling another Country that their voting stunk and "we" think they should oust those in office and put in someone in bed with Bush and his cronies.
Find a group that can? Um, what happened to bringin' democracy to Iraq? OH YA, it's all good IF those damn brown people pick the people WE want. Good God these American political A-Holes really need karma to bite them on their rich white asses!!!
ConcernedCanuck @ 63:
Now now, don't give Lindsey Graham any ideas!
I wonder where the new and approved rulers of Iraq will put the temple.
There is nothing like overthrowing the democratically elected president of a country because he doesn't carry a full bucket of water for you anymore and never mind we overthrew the original guy to have this guy elected.
Holy crap!
Tom Belt: Yes, AND WE PAID to have Saddam to kill the last ELECTED president back in '63.
Is it just me or do some of these Republicans like Lindsey Graham, Alberto Gonzales, Heather Wilson sound a little gay. Not that there is anything wrong with that?
[Deleted-Sitemonitor]
OT, but I have to ask...
Is it just me, or does anyone else's GayDar go off when Lindsey Graham shows up on your screen? He's just like Dr. Zachary Smith from "Lost in Space"...!
WHAT!?
Bush 'oust' another dictator!?
Especially one he appointed himself!?
Unheard of in the annals of U.S. Presidential crime.
IF WE WOULD ONLY LOWER THE GOALS...
......stop terror throughout the world........oh...
......end wmds throughout the world.........oh....
......end wmds in the middle east................oh..
......fight them there so we don't fight them here.........oh...
......fight them there so we bring them democracy.....oh...
......stop the mistreatment of women in the middle east.....oh....
......just get rid of the bee-keeper suits they wear
AHA.... A GOAL WE CAN MEET.... GET RID OF THOSE BAGGY OUTFITS FOR THE WOMEN
AND DECLARE VICTORY.........WHY DIDN'T WE THINK OF IT EARLIER!!!!
IRAQ..... A WAR ON FASHION !!!!!
SO.....IRAN......WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THOSE AWFUL HAIRDOS ?
[Please stop posting in all caps, mostly caps and whatever attention grabbing stuff you can work with the limited html tags allowed here. Your posts are no more important than anyone else's, so quit yelling. Thanks-Sitemonitor]
Lindsay will be the next "self-loathing homo" that gets outed in a 'flame-gate' scandal, probably was in the shitter stall with Larry Craig and Trent Lott in a 'menage-a-slimeball' thing.
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