Turley: "It Is Rather Clear That What The President Ordered Was A Federal Crime"
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The Bush administration has been using the "state secrets" defense in order to have federal law suits challenging their illegal eavesdropping programs thrown out of court. So far, they have been successful; thanks, in most cases, to lazy or partisan judges who have given little or no scrutiny of the validity of their claims which, according to Constitutional law professor Jonathan Turley on Tuesday's Countdown, are nothing more than unconstitutional attempts to cover up their own federal crimes.
Olbermann: "With or without this new law, suppose one of the anti-wiretapping civil lawsuits succeeds, what does that legal victory actually mean then in terms of stopping the government or punishing Alberto Gonzales or any other top officials who were responsible for this?"
Turley: "Well, it can mean a lot and that's one of the reasons there's a lot of people, both Democrats and Republicans, who don't want to see it happen. They don't want a court to say that the president did something that is a federal crime. That's why they're trying to get all these cases thrown out of court because it is rather clear that what the president ordered was a federal crime, clearly defined in federal law. But that causes a problem because many of the Democratic leaders and Republican leaders have promised each other that they would not start impeachment proceedings, but when a federal judge says the president committed a crime, it's pretty darn hard to ignore that."
This is one of the reasons they don't want to impeach. The evidence is quite clear. An impeachment inquiry will certainly lead to articles of impeachment. The Democrats are complicit enablers. They'd rather just run against him all summer. The ironic thing is that they've already lost as many votes from inaction as they ever would have from taking it "too far".
Impeach!
If it is clear that Bush admin. committed crimes to constitutional law experts then what in the hell is the Congress waiting for. If a "regular person " did this they would already be in jail. The law in this country is truly useless and one of these days the people will realize it and begin to take matters into their own hands. The rich and priviledged will pay then.
They're also trying to cover up that they're still going after DANIEL ELLSBERG!
Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought a judge already said that the President had committed a crime. I will try to remember the details...
Pretty darn hard, but not impossible. I'm certain both Democrats and Republicans alike will find the way. Why they want to . . .? I'm not really sure. But they are. And it will happen. I understand that "things changed" after 9/11, but did the nation throw out its soul at the behest of W? Come People, aren't we better than that? Than him?
The crime is that he didn't need to do what he did re warrantless wiretaps, but he and Cheney had been wanting to expand the power of the "unitary executive" (whatever the hell that is) and, boom, buildings come down and those around the big secure conference table all said WTF, well, hey, let's party and did it. Now, no one wants to know what they let go on under their nose.
"... it's pretty darn hard to ignore that."
Yeah but they will. They'll manage it somehow.
Just ignore that 8 ton elephant in the room.
They'll just keep rubbing wintergreen under their noses and staring out the window pretending they can't see or SMELL it.
Wait, wait...
What... what on earth is that supposed to mean? Republicans have promised Democrats that Republicans won't impeach Bush? What next, will Republicans promise that if Democrats don't run negative campaigns against Republicans, Republicans won't run negative campaigns against themselves either?
God, what a bunch of pitiful wretches.
Ok, I found the details:
that is an excerpt from this story
Yes, but...
If the House gives the citizenry the middle finger, and bush/cheney in so many ways tell us to go f*** ourselves, and the rest of the world says it's your problem...
This is all moot.
Now, let's get back to the results of Dancing with the Stars.
Turley falsely predicted Rove indictment
So let me see if I understand this. The pussycrats and the republics have promised each other to be derelict in their Constitutional duties.
Perfect.
Is there a rule of law in this country? For EVERYONE, that is.
Kucinich! I mean, Impeach!
America is run by mobsters who care not one cent for the rule of law.
They do care about profiting off corruption, misery, death, drugs, violence and hardship though. Is it any coincidence that since the U.S. invaded and occupied Afghanistan that opium production skyrocketed?
And this, from a country so vocal in it's "war on drugs".
Actions speak louder than words.
America is run by mobsters.
What is that called when a group of people work together to commit a crime? . . . I used the word one time and someone called me a fruitcake and the psychic pain was so intense that I've repressed it.
Multiple people in a coordinated crime endeavor?
MargeAggedon @ 7:
Oh, Marge...You are sooo right. Election is the main focus/goal/preoccupation of our representatives. Not the rule of law. Never has been nor will ever be.
Of course they'll ignore it. They're buying into the 'we don't have enough votes' myth - I would think that if you have compelling evidence (such as a judge's ruling and/or proof of wrongdoing) that a vote to impeach must follow. Period.
And it's really that simple. Intelligent adults are accepting excuses that wouldn't wash if they came from a misbehaving child. I can't believe this is how Pelosi raised her children, or how she regards her grandchildren.
mo_dems @ 13:
Good catch. We don't want to cast a Paul over things do we?
FOX is State Sponsored TV @ 11:
Uh, ok...what's yer point?
greg white @ 14:
They fly in the drugs, they distribute the drugs, they build the prisons, they fill them with drug users, they farm out the prison labor.
They killed JFK, RFK and MLK . . . they killed hope . . . they rigged the elections . . . they got their war . . they built a private army.
You wait in line to ride the Tea Cup ride at Six Flags over Hallucinations
They can't hold the government accountable.
If they do, they'll have to prosecuting politicians.
That would limit the flow of professional whores running for public office.
Our major corporations love whores. They don't want politicians that read bills and vote according to what they believe is right for America. They just want people who'll do anything nasty for a dollar.
lefty @ 1:
The imperial ship is sinking. No one wants to even shift their weight in fear that they will be blamed for the impending journey to the bottom.
Johnny2Bad @ 18:
Liberal Democrats for Ron Paul!
I find it harder to believe that they will not ignore it. Watching Congress is like Times Square on New Years Eve - I'm just standing around waiting for the balls to drop.
We are a hairs breath away from these f$$ks forming their own judicial system that doesn't have to answer to anybody. We are close to total capitulation of our democracy or what is left of it, and we call, write, do whatever we think will help stop this administration from destroying our country, it seems that nothing helps, nothing changes but you know what, the fat lady aint singing yet, and it is not time to throw in the towel, that is not a luxury we can afford. We must prevail, and the way to do that is to keep shining a light on these people who would take your freedom without care as to whether you lived or died.
My words may be over the top in the drama department but they are accurate, they are coming for us, make no mistake, the war on terrorism is another name used to instill fear and control and in it's name they will enslave us all, if they can.
Well, it appears he can commit all the federal crimes he wants, because Nancy Pelosi has got his back and is going to make sure he gets away with it every time.
The "rule of law" in the country seems to only apply to pot-smokers and jaywalkers. I kid you not, my husband got a ticket for jaywalking in Seattle last year for crossing in a crosswalk but against the light on a night when it was pouring down rain. Crimes like these are prosecuted, but the treasonous acts of this government are overlooked "for the good of the country...".
Jeon Ji-Yung @ 24:
Avid Reader @ 20:
Amen, Amen! Great comments!
the dems have been trying hard to look as tough as possible in the war on night attacks, or err terror.
yet, they missed the REAL fight they should have be fighting--which is the fight to protect the constitution from the criminal-in-thief. they have abdicated that responsibility. they have failed america. example, hillary, she has used polling data, focus groups, strategists to concoct a tough-girl demeanor. yet, when it comes to actually defending america from domestic threats she simply rolls over.
Go Kucinich!
Hypothetical situation: Bush goes into a crowded subway station, and mows people down with an assault rifle. Nothing will ever happen to him, because... y'know... impeachment is "off the table".
I hope that the next president nominates Turley to the Supreme Court when the next vacancy opens. You know he gives a shit about the Constitution and the concept of justice, unlike, Roberts, Alito, Scalia, Thomas and that other swinging dick.
Bill Cllinton got impeached and remains one of the most respected and loved Presidents of the modern age.
George Bush is a humiliation to himself and the nation. He will be a laughingstock for decades after his occupation of the White House has ended, and then he will disappear into the same blackhole of history that has swallowed all our other unremarkable Presidents.
Bush will be remembered for mindless unwarranted war, prosecution of innocents and the near destruction of American freedom. He will be dismissed with disgust, revulsion and contempt.
Dr. Acula @ 12:
As my Dad's friend Vito would have said "No. So you gotta problem wit' dat?" And that's pretty much what I'm hearing the Democrats in the House and Senate say to me, to us.
The same damned people who let the Repubics tear Clinton a new butt hole because of the Lewinsky non-affair (and some of them actually pretended to be shocked and ashamed of Clinton, remember) seem to think it's no big deal when this unelected grandson of a Nazi sympathizer violates our rights, the constitution and the law of the land.
(Question for the room: is this the same Jonathan Turley who tried to defend Ward Churchill against the Repubic fascist-symps in Colorado? The outraged Repubics cobbled up a set of charges against Churchill so they could fire him for publishing an article about 9/11 that they didn't like. The same Party that elected the son and grandson of a Nazi sympathizer -- and had no compunction whatsoever in doing so -- got bent out of shape when Churchill suggested that there were "little Eichmans" working in the WTC. Hell, our "President's" grandfather would have shook hands with the "big Eichman" if he saw a profit in it. Back to the point: Turley is a recognized constitutional expert and scholar. He may, indeed, have predicted that Rove would be indicted, but don't knock him for failing to see just how badly the system of justice has degenerated.)
Maddy @ 25:
bring them on,! now this second while im still able to take some of em with me!
Hey Pelosi and the scared-o-crats: Eff You! You have failed us miserably.
We need a god damned third party with some traction in this country in the worst way.
Liberal AND Proud @ 32:
I agree with almost everything you said, excpet that he will disappear as being unremarkable. He will be forever remembered. His presidency has not been unremarkable. It is just that it is remarkable for all of the wrong reasons.
Johnny2Bad @ 18:
HA! Good one!
If that thrice-damned 'Homegrown Terrorism' Act passes, we'll all be arrested for thought crime and put up at the Halliburton Suites at Guantanamo Bay.
Instead of America standing up and showing courage and conviction in the face of adversity, we're cowering under our desks.
John Ashcroft once chided 'those who would frighten freedom-loving people with phantoms of lost liberties.' And America has chosen to listen to those who would frighten freedom-loving people with phantoms of widespread terrorist networks seeking to bring Shari'a to your neighborhood.
The former is defending America and what it stands for; the latter actively tears it apart under the guise of fighting terrorism. Now, we jump at Lite-Brite signs advertising cartoons, or self-absorbed MIT students wearing blinky lights on their hoodie. We panic when an offbeat running club uses chalk and flour to mark a course.
Yet the populace at large continues to ignore the nonsensical 'we're fighting them there so we don't have to fight them here.' We're ignoring that this administration has done nothing to secure this country, choosing to promote the foolish 'magic intercept' theory and surveillance programs reminiscent of failed fascist and communist states.
Real security must be fail-safe. You want to go trolling for the secret message from Ali ibn Babalooey to his legions hiding in middle America, that's fine - but what do we do if you miss that one, critical message? How are we prepared to handle a crisis when intelligence gets ignored as is SOP at the White House? We need defense-in-depth, just like any winning sports team.
We're not doing it, and this 'our policies are working!' horseshit is only hastening the day that we will reap the consequences of our willful ignorance.
Fanon, i guess the best word for George Bush's legacy would be "infamous".
It's been pretty damned difficult for the general public to excuse this president's flaunting of the laws and as noted, this is a federal crime. It deserves to be handled like other federal crimes, regardless of who's perpetrating the crime; more specifically Governor Bush deserves to be taken into custody and held until such time as his trial comes up where he can be judged by his peers and either exhonerated from or charged with his crimes. Same as any other member of the citizenry. Don't you think?!
Hate to break it to you, Gov. Poopy-pants... you're no better (certainly you've proven that!) than anyone else.
Fanon @ 36:
Infamy is the only kind of remembrance that shrub can ever hope to achieve.
Liberal AND Proud @ 39:
Nefarious, criminal and might I hope for accused, prosecuted, tried and convicted?
When they send me to Gitmo for my "disloyalty", someone call Turley for me, OK?
Excuse me if I don't hold my breath until something is done about this. Sometimes I feel the only way justice can or will be done is if the PEOPLE drag these asshole out kicking and screaming before the Hague...or open revolt.
chris @ 3:
Agree 100%!!! This double standard has got to end in this corrupt government of ours!! What a mockery of fairness and accountability from our elected "officials" (they can hardly be called leaders) the courts and our Congress. I am getting damn sick of it all.
Turley is great. Smart. Fair. Make him AG in 2009.
I think he will protect our interests and the Constitution.
tyree @ 34:
Yeah, before I have to take my afternoon nap
Avid Reader @ 23:
Liberal Democerats for a right-wing shitbag! Yeah! Let's vote in a racist anti-choice paranoid government-hater! Yeah!
Then again, I'm not surprised that the Paulbots are out in force here - after all, a lot of the folks here are hyper-paranoid conspiracy theorists who want to push their psychopathy on everyone they can.
Remember, Turley speaks as a Constitutional Law Scholar, not as a politically in-tune pundit. If he thought that Rove would be indicted, or the President has committed a crime, he's only looking at the legal side of things, trying to strip away the political cover. Unfortunately, the political cover is strong and tight.
FOX is State Sponsored TV @ 11:
it's still not too late...
I'm afraid we may misunderestimate the presidunce's legacy.
Imprison!
When did impeachment become such a big, scary deal? I mean, I know it's unusual and a very serious thing to kick a president out of office, but why is it treated by Americans as practically the end of democracy? As if it means mob rule or something?
I don't get it. The test for getting rid of a bad president is vague and broad: "high crimes and misdemeanors". That covers a lot of ground, including minor, non-criminal violations of the law.
In parliamentary systems, prime ministers and/or their governments are replaced all the time. It's democracy in action. It's a few days of trauma, then the world goes on.
What the hell are the Democrats so afraid of?
I can't decide if I want to be interred inside or outside the United States.
Don't they use different voltage outside of the US? Will it make a difference when they apply the electrodes to my gonads?
Turley is one truly sexy man - those brains, that smile, that humanity. I second the nomination for Attorney General Turley.
The legacy of Dick Cheney and George Bush will be the first openly criminal executives to have governed the United States without answering for their crimes and gathered unprecedented broad powers into the Executive Branch thereby putting the United States onto the path of tyranny.
Restoring power and voice to The People and/or impeachment are not seriously considered by lawmakers, those running for president especially the political party that stands to inherit the reigns of power because.......Dems want some o'dat.
Makes Specter and Kennedy look like they are attempting to be some sort of saviors, but really, isn't this just a bit late in the game? Smoke and mirrors.
enor @ 46:
Nah! Obama would make a great AG. Except, who would be the prez?
Actually, if I was the new prez in 2009 (yeah, right) I'd appoint Prof Turley and 2 other widely-respected Constitutional scholars to committee that would review the booosh administrations actions. I would task them to identify what action needs to be taken to return the Federal Government to its proper balance.
Peace through impeachment!
Marco
Liberal AND Proud @ 54:
At this time of the year up in Soviet Canuckistan, our electrodes will be a little colder than you're used to. Might cause a little gonadal shrinkage, if you catch my drift.
:o)
Jeon Ji-Yung @ 24:
My cat has bigger balls.
Avid Reader@ 15;
The word you are looking for and fear to utter in mixed company is conspiracy.... When two or more people 'conspire' to commit acts which can be contrued as crimes by any reasonable person or law enforcement official who hasn't actually been corrupted themselves.... And what the Republicans in masse, far too many democrats for me to stomach, and an administration whose officials from the oval office right on down to the pogue in the basement, along with a majority of members of a judiciary who have tarnished to the point of invalidation, their branch of the govenment thru laziness and/or outright collusion as payback for their specific appointments are actively doing this or allowing it to occur under their noses???.....
That qualifies in my book as a conspiracy and an ongoing crime against the average citizens of this nation... CONSPIRACY dammit!!! It is an ongoing criminal enterprise by all three branches... When the phrase 'republicans and democrats have promised each other they would not initiate impeachment' for what are clearly crimes against the nation and its' citizens, that is a conspiracy and an ongoing criminal endeavor..... As well as a travesty on the constitution of these United States!!!
People by and large want to remain asleep, I know that! They want things to work our so that they CAN just focus on Dancing with the Stars or NFL football or the NBA or Nascar or whatever... They don't want to consider the seriousness of what this specifically means... IT IS mind boggling... However, when people see what is going on at the highest levels of all three branches of government and then take a good hard look around themselves and what it has brought down on all our heads as consequences? Be it a neverending war based on lies, draining two plus generations of our population and ruining our economy by draining the treasury? Be it improper and illegal phone tapping of average American people for political purposes and masquarading as some phony fight against a completely fabricated as presented boogieman they have no intention of finding anyway? Then using a perverted definition of state secrets to avoid accountability of this henious act? When average people see good paying jobs going out of this nation with two out of the three branches of our governments blessing and assistance and the third branch ignoring the ramifications and the so-called fourth estate cheerleading the cause..., and then are fed the ridiculous lie that this is actually helping people and the nation economically? When we are all spoonfed the total lie that media or industry in general consolidation is a good thing and leads to more competition and competitive pricing only to see how big that lie is at the end of every other month when the envelope for the phone/cable/cell/utilities bills in general are opened up only to find constantly rising prices and any number of hidden fees and what not? When taxes are forgiven for corporations who just spent the last year offshoring manpower as well as tax liability while the middle class gets slowly raped for more and more taxes to make up for this revenue shortfall?
When all that and more hard realities intrude on the average persons life... What Chris@3 alluded to is where it all ends up.
And THAT my friends, for all practical purposes amounts to anarchy... When there is no longer any trust in government at any level, and lets not forget the widespread scandals that permeates police forces thru-out the nation. And then there is that whole goddamned problem percalating with private security companies being hired and used for what should clearly be issues of national interests, not private investment opportunities, and which in and of itself is or should be clearly viewed as improper and unlawful... When all these things are happening day after day, week after week, month after month... People lose faith, people start taking the law into their own hands... And noone regardless of what they might wish in a perfect world can really blame them... The old man gunning down two would be home robbery thugs caught in the act as just a single example that really happened in the last week... It shouldn't have to come to that but it does... When these types of things begin, we are well on the way down that slippery slope to anarchy..
Governments slowly crumble as people lose all faith and trust.
Society becomes destabilized, and a nation falls from within...
It ain't pretty, it ain't right and just because a small, and I mean a razor thin majority statistically speaking allowed an immoral misfit to assume power in this nation, I do not think the people of this nation, even the morons who assisted thru their cluelessness deserves the kind of fate that all this is leading too.
And I submit, the sonsofbitches running congress, and the house and the judiciary and all the other mechanisms of this nations government would rather blythly lead us all and trot down that path instead of doing their damed jobs and impeaching this bastard who has so ruptured our nations soul???? Whats that about.. really???? Fear? Cowardice? Personal greed? WHAT GODDAMMIT!!!
Just what the hell kinds of souless greed driven cowards hands have we put our fates in? Or more to the point, been snookered into believing in... And where is that man or woman of courage who will say ENOUGH! Is it really going to have to come down to anarchy and bloody revolution in the streets to end all this shit? What say you Dennis? Barrack? Chris? Ron? Joe? Hillary? Nancy? Harry? John? Diane? What say all you whom would presume to have what it takes to lead us out of these woods?...For the sake of avoiding the personal difficulties and private embarassments of dealing with an impeachment of a sitting president who more than any other in history deserves the rebuke of impeachment... You people would rather have the nation burn to the ground? I say FUCK YOU every last damned one of you! IF you people allow all this to come to pass just because you think you need to honor immoral and improper back room deal making... The walls of your gated communities and all the private security in the world will never be high enough to protect your asses in the end!....Believe it!
Sorry all, I know, typically too damned wordy, but this is some serious, possibly the mose serious shit in the history of this nation and my thoughts on it, just don't condense down easily...
My last comment about this is to implore those who presume to be our leaders to get up off their lazy chickenshit asses and do the right thing... Do right by the nation, by its people, by that piece of paper called the consitution... Start by impeaching George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and indicting every senior member of that administration... It's the only thing that has any chance of restoring our nation, its reputation and integrity and saving us all from further pointless bloodshed which will surely follow down the road as consequence for continuing to ignore the will of the average citizenry and enabling these crimes being purpetrated on us all........................JD
FOX is State Sponsored TV @ 11:
Rove should have been indicted. Cheney got to Fitzgerald. I think Fitzgerald's motive for the whole process was to make the smallest splash possible.
By the way, Turley supported impeachment of Clinton. I don't know the specifics about what comprises perjury and what Clinton said in his grand jury testimony, but I think perjury charges at least deserved to be brought. Then there's that issue of what is a "high" crime, but fortunately with Bush I can't imagine anyone saying that his crimes aren't really that big a deal.
Could you imagine what would happen if Fitzgerald had Ken Starr's tenacity? He'd have pinned Vincent Foster's suicide on Cheney.
Hmmm... the very first woman Speaker of the House... and she turns out to be too girly to handle the job. Too bad.
Don’t they use different voltage outside of the US? Will it make a difference when they apply the electrodes to my gonads?
No electricity is necessary. See Casino Royale (the new one) for details.
Fran Taylor @ 63:
Yeeeouch...thanks...I REALLY needed that image.
Turley asserts leadership "promised" not to impeach</strong>
I found this quite shocking to hear, so baldly stated from a public figure.
"...Because it is rather clear that what the President ordered was a Federal crime. Clearly defined in Federal law. But that causes a problem. Because many of the Democratic leaders and the Republican leader have promised each other that they would not start impeachment proceedings. But when a Federal judge says the President committed a crime, it's pretty darn hard to ignore that."
So um when will they start accepting flag designs for whatever this new country is the multinationals are designing for we the peeps? Will they mark it with some kind of ceremony- will we be given amnesty to bring in our old stars & stripes & trade these tired old rags full of sound & fury but signifying nothing in for the new flag of this unrecognizable country?
I forget the legal phrase, but there is some provision that exempts officers from lawsuits arising from how they do their jobs.
But that's Civil not Criminal.
It also seems that if you cannot pass Ex Post Facto laws to criminalize an act after the fact, than one shouldn't be able to pass such laws to decriminalize it, particularly just for a select few of the population.
And how can one state an office has inherent powers and claim to be a strict constructionist at the same time, nor imply inherent powers in other branches of the government?
They're still trying to argue against Marbury v Madison.
61 Old Billy
Scooter helped Turdblossom make a small splash.
Jack Damage @ 60:
No apology necessary. I think you put that very concisely. If we want to stay a nation of laws instead of a nation of men (think Saddam Hussein, Pervez Musharef, Fidel Castro), we need to impeach.
Maybe Elliot Spitzer can bring RICO charges on the whole fricking lot of them.
Fran Taylor @ 63:
Fran Taylor @ 63:
I'm curious, did they use a potato-battery?
Annoyed Canuck @ 53:
I have NO idea what the Dems are waiting on...I keep hoping they've got something up their sleeves...but they keep doing NOTHING. I remember Clinton was impeached for a goddamn blowjob, and the repugs were acting like justice was done..NOW that BushCo is commiting SERIOUS, TREASONOUS acts...suddenly impeachment is off the table...WTF?!?!
99% of these politicians need to oustered!
Old Billy @ 70:
No it was one of those batteries with a small bottle of water with strips of aluminum and copper.
Old Billy @ 70:
They sat Bond down nude in a chair with the bottom cut out...and then proceeded to smash his nuts from underneath with a huge rope which had a very large knot at the end.
ysbaddaden @ 66:
Functional Immunity?
They do it all the time. Draft dodger immunity, for example. But, not to be applied differently to different people.
One can do this by absolutely excusing oneself from any form of integrity. Of course, one must then carry the mantle, "ass-munching hypocrite."
Isn't that the Knicks's backcourt? By the way, Midnight Judges was the name of my first imaginary band.
ysbaddaden @ 69:
Liberal AND Proud @ 74:
In the book it was a rattan carpet beater.
Liberal AND Proud @ 74:
I know I should be more careful with the e-sarcasm, but I was just trying to be funny. I wasn't actually curious. Thanks anyway, L & P.
ysbaddaden @ 77:
Speaking of talking dirty...
This was also when Bond received two new scars on the back of his hands, but I believe he already had the knife scar on his face.
In the new movie, he had so such scar, but Le Chiffre did.
"If, in fact, Bush has refused to enforce the '1140 provisions in about 150 federal bill' he should be impeached immediately -- notwithstanding Speaker Pelosi's lack of interest -- because it would be an extraordinary breach of his oath. Given Bush's characteristically truculent attitude, it is difficult to believe he issuing these signing statements as a symbolic gesture...His statements are an insult to the lawmaking process, for which he claims he does not have to follow the constitutional rules. At a minimum they reflect a deplorable attitude for a president of the United States; at worst Bush is engaging in impeachable behavior, but has yet to be caught." John Dean Broken Government
The above quote deals with Bush's signing statements, obviously, but it is relates to Bush's desire to keep these secrets secret. It part of the unitary executive theory. A theory which posits the notion that the president is the sole authority in the US government. It recognizes no checks on his power. No other agency, including the Congress and the courts, can say what he can and cannot do. The fact that these judges are allowing this to happen sets a dangerous precedent. It means any president from now on might be able to use the arguments as well. When these secrets become known, they will show not only that these acts were illegal but how he has been governing for the past several years. Something Bush and friends want to keep very secret.
If you haven't read John Dean's book, you should. It is very eyeopening.
Old Billy @ 79:
Whatever it was...I still get sympathy pains whenever I think of it.
Geez, I'd rather have the electrodes.
ecotopian @ 81:
Reading it. I'll be reading the other two in reverse order.
Who watches the "watchdogs"? The farmer needs to get out his shotgun and clear the foxes from the chicken coop and pronto!
Kudos to Turley. He always rocks on Keith and Randi's shows. His blog is excellent
I doubt Pelosi would let a little something like a judge telling the world Bush broke the law force her to put impeachment back 'on the table'. She has been derelict in her duty so far, I doubt some stinkin activist judge could force her hand at this stage of the game....
Old Billy @ 79:
The 00's already had it in their files that Le Chiffre was a flagellant, and suspected homosexual.
After the beating Bond was bleeding to death, and while recovering in the hospital he was questioning the wisdom of agents from rival countries killing each other for no reason other than orders. But after Vesper Lynd commited suicide, and Bond was finished with reading her suicide note and crying, he found his motive again, in fighting SMERSH, the agency that forced her suicide.
In the movies SMERSH, (short for SMERt' SHpionam [СМЕРть Шпионам]), or "Death to Spies") an actual Russian organization originated under Lavrentiy Beria (the Che Guevara of his day and state) was dropped for the Kevin McClory created agency SPECTRE.
fwacbar Says:
I doubt Pelosi would let a little something like a judge telling the world Bush broke the law force her to put impeachment back ‘on the table’.
Oh, but you don't UNDERSTAND, see Nancy IS doing her job and you're just being a naive simpleton when you expect her to preserve, protect and defend the constitution because of errr...caucus...her job is to win elections...errr...represent Democratic party...because otherwise Republicans might score some points...but...her job is...because of caucus...YOU'RE THROWING AWAY YOUR VOTE!!!...err...Democrats aren't as bad as Republicans...errr...gotta support the caucus.
Here's the congressional oath of office. Would any party loyalists out there care to point out the part about doing what's good for your party?
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter."
It is "Rather" clear that you poor folks haven't clue.
This is too rich.
Keep it up. The Abyss of Obscurity isn't full yet.
Snooper @ 89:
The butler did it in the kitchen with Col. Mustard with a toilet plunger.
OUTING A CIA AGENT IN TIME OF WAR IS TREASON AGAINST THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Call Nancy Pelosi @1-202-225-0100 and DEMAND IMPEACHMENT.
And how about YOU, is IMPEACHMENT off YOUR table?
This law should also trickle down to the state and local government; for it is not just a federal level problem (abuse of power and excessive abuse of governmental immunities).
We must end this Cowboy type of governing where the sheriffs, mayor, and judgest are all ruled by the man that owns the only trading store in town. It's corrupt....it's backward....does not fit the kind of social and civil system of the 20th century.
ysbaddaden @ 80:
The scar was the Cyrillic letter sh, the beginning of the word 'shpionam' (spy) - a common mark inflicted by SMERSH (smyert shpionam, 'death to spies') ... though I believe the movie implies Mr. White is part of SPECTRE.
So nice to find another person who's read the original Fleming novels. :D
"but when a federal judge says the president committed a crime, it’s pretty darn hard to ignore that.”
Oh trust me our illustrious corporate party leaders (ie. Rep, Dem) will find a way.
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Paul Says:
Well, it appears he can commit all the federal crimes he wants, because Nancy Pelosi has got his back and is going to make sure he gets away with it every time.
Its the same High School attitude that always let the quarterback (or in this case head cheerleader or star jock, or rich frat boy take your pick)
get away with whatever they wanted no matter what.
Its always been that way for Arbusto ... walk away unscathed, and let someone else deal with the sh!tstorm.
And by next year ... get yer ponchos, it'll be quite the storm ... ;)
Remember that Rove went back and testified a final time to 'clarify testimony', otherwise he most probably would have found himself under indictment.
Doesn't seem fair to dump on Turley because Rove unexpectedly decided to go back to the grand jury and change his testimony.
DR-TV @ 62:
I really don't think it's the case that she's too girly. It's really all about the money and power. Money and favors are passing freely behind the scenes to keep Pelosi from heading down the impeachment trail. She'll mouth off about the bad Republicans from time to time, but do nothing about them. It doesn't matter to 99% of the Democrats that they are derelict in their duty to protect and defend the constitution, they're too busy making money hand over fist. To me, that's what it all boils down to.
WE must FORCE congress to IMPEACH. Make that call. (they ain't on YOUR side)
Shadowgm @ 93:
You could say I'm a flemaddict.
All 535 congresscritters need to be charged with treason.
The 'two party' system is a sham. This is about money and power. The current crop of corrupt pols will do nothing to upset their apple cart. This will be a job for We the People, and the internet will be key to the inevitable changes We will force on the vile criminals infesting our government. They mistakenly assume nothing will happen to them because
1. 60+% of us are overweight;
2. Depression is THE epidemic du jour;
3. Public education is a big joke; AND
4. Television continues to distract us.
Well, as I said above, the internet is changing the balance of power. We the People are awakening to the dire situation exacerbated by Bush and company. AND, We the People will prevail. We always have.
chris @ 3:
The Congress - well, most of the members, Rep and Dem - is complicit!
The bottom line is, Bush is going to ride out his presidency, because, FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON, both parties have already agreed to that. (Then he'll be in Paraguay, so if you want him, you'll have to round up a ninja posse. Your governement isn't going to go after him down there.)
Mike Meyer @ 98:
I've been calling and emailing my sens and rep for months - all I get are platitudes and stupid emails back saying they have and/or still are "considering all the issues."
As I said above, the Congress is complicit in the destruction of our Constitutional rights and protections - they don't care, they won't act unless it directly benefits them - the public be damned!
chervilant @ 101:
Let's hope they don't just "pull the plug". -- The US does have a history of rebouding, but this time you're taking right to the very very brink. Hope you can stop your democracy from going over the edge. Good luck.
trojanrabbit @ 100:
Convicted [deleted--do not advocate violence on this site]
* Except Dennis Kucinich. He rocks. (see 106)
Liberal AND Proud @ 54:
Just the standard 1.21 Jiga-watts.
On top of that, they're getting ready to rule on the right to bear arms.
Once they take our guns, be ready for the midnight knock from Blackwater.
lucid fiction @ 108:
If we have the right to bare arms, do we also have the right to hairy armpits?
Edwin Says:
The bottom line is, Bush is going to ride out his presidency, because, FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON, both parties have already agreed to that.
The reason is quite known.
Neither party has any interest in impeachment.
The Republicans, for obvious reasons, don't want to see their president removed or even besmirched.
The Democrats would rather keep him in office and run against him than risk losing any political support by actually doing anything. The base will stay with them through thick and thin. As much as we may squawk and bitch and moan, we'll all dutifully step into the voting booth and pull the "Hillary" lever when push comes to shove...and they know it.
Well, some of us will. I hereby state that I shall never, ever support Hillary Clinton. I don't care if Cheney himself runs against her. But I digress...
Why, then, were the Republicans so willing to impeach over a blow job? Because blow jobs don't mean anything. Win or lose, the game stays afloat. They knew they wouldn't convict, but they thought the outrage chips would fall on their side of the table. They took a shot, lost the hand, but stayed in the game because, at the end of the day, no sweeping governmental reforms were proposed except for the retiring of the special counsel law which they all opposed anyway.
So, the Republicans lost some temporary political ground (which they made up in 2000) and gained a fairly sizable policy win by making a mockery of a law they wanted repealed.
In THIS case, there's plenty of serious shit at play. This isn't just about the president's private, personal behavior...it's about gross abuses of office that BOTH parties realize will hurt them if they're actually addressed.
The Democrats are SALIVATING over the prospect of a Clintonian president with Bushite superpowers. Every precedent they let stand here gives them the moral authority to rig the government, Rove style, to THEIR advantage.
If they get one-party rule in '08 (a distinct possibility) and only manage to keep it until '10, they're sure as shit not interested in being on record opposing any of these shenanigans.
Until the Republicans get 51 senators and decide the impeach Hillary for stealing a postage stamp. They won't need 60. Democrats don't filibuster. That might make them unpopular.
lucid fiction @ 108:
I guess I'll just have to use my rattan carpet beater.
He will not be impeached.
Peter Bowels is a moron!!!
JasonS @ 110:
Too long to address each point. Here are the biggies.
First, no impeachment because given all the damage...both parties know that having TWO consecutive impeached Presidents is not good. The tit for tat (Clinton was vengeance for NIXON's resignation...trust me on that one) shit had to stop...the Dems are stopping it.
As for one party rule in '08. Ain't gonna happen. NO WAY. The country already tried that with the GOP...how'd that work out. Divided government has been the rule for most of the last 50 years. That's where we're going again.
Here's my EARLY prediction...the Senate swings back to a one vote majority...for the GOP...the House slips DECIDEDLY to the Dems...and the Presidency is a crapshoot...especially if Guliani and Hillary are the nominees. If ANY of the other LEGITIMATE DEM candidates (Obama, Edwards) gets the nomination or if GORE gets back into the race because the nominating process has fractured the Party, the Dems win....BIG.
What would be worse than impeachment, and worse than the current passive avoidance of impeachment?
An impeachment that fails. It could happen. Easily. There aren't enough votes in the Senate.
Then fascism will have arrived, beyond any doubt. And the USA will be irredeemably fucked.
Liberal AND Proud Says
First, no impeachment because given all the damage…both parties know that having TWO consecutive impeached Presidents is not good.
Agreed, but I don't think the "for the good of the country" motive is high in anyone's mind. But, yeah, it is there. Maybe we shouldn't be so trigger happy to impeach over trivial bullshit.
Imagine if we impeach Bush, fail to convict and then fucking Hitler gets elected next. If you're reluctant to impeach because we've had too many impeachments lately, then that just gives license to the worst abusers to keep on abusing.
Here’s my EARLY prediction…the Senate swings back to a one vote majority…for the GOP…the House slips DECIDEDLY to the Dems…and the Presidency is a crapshoot
Definitely in the realm of likely outcomes. I'm not predicting one party rule for the Democrats, but I do see it as a strong possibility. The House, I agree, is almost certainly going to stay Democratic. The Senate could swing, but it won't swing to a fillibuster/veto-proof majority either way. The Democrats are in a good position to take the presidency.
That would give them effective one-party rule with the only check being a Republican-led agenda in the Senate. If the Senate stays Democratic (a definite possibility), that's one-party rule with only Republican filibusters as a check.
But we've all seen how effective that check can be.
Annoyed Canuck Says:
An impeachment that fails. It could happen. Easily. There aren’t enough votes in the Senate.
Then fascism will have arrived, beyond any doubt. And the USA will be irredeemably fucked.
Not exactly true. Failure to convict is not "failure" for an impeachment. It's only failure if the broad perception is that the impeachment was disingenuous.
Have no illusion: with the current evidence, there's zero chance that an impeachment would lead to a conviction.
But impeachment isn't just about seeking a conviction and a removal from office. It's also about discovery and getting the facts into an undisputed public record.
Failure to convict on impeachment need NOT be a validation of what the president did. In Clinton's case, for example, we didn't universally validate the practice of dipping your pen in the company inkwell.
Clinton is a good example where right hits right. Convicting him would have been a terrible precedent, as it would have validated the strategy of lawsuit bombing the president until you catch him in some lie...any lie...and then running him out of town. Even if it doesn't always work, it will always disrupt the White House.
On the other hand, making no comment as the president parses words, ducks and evades the truth under oath is also unacceptable.
I didn't support impeachment, but getting a public determination that Clinton acted inappropriately was important.
In this case, failure to impeach produces exactly the result you fear. Because of the layout of POLITICAL POWER, we have determined that we're not interested in investigating a president who is OPENLY AND UNAPOLOGETICALLY violating the law.
Tell me again what precious jewel of liberal democracy we risk losing by not saying so?
lucid fiction @ 108:
They will never take our guns away. Too many rednecks, myself included, won't let that happen.
Reality_Check @ 112:
Oh he could be impeached all right, if Nancy Pelosi would do her job.
But since the disparity between Democrats and republicans is slighter in the Senate it is the conviction that might prove doubtful.
Shadowgm @ 93:
Have you ever seen the 1954 TV version of Casino Royale with Barry Nelson as Jimmy Bond of the CIA, and Peter Lorre as Le Chiffre? I thought about ordering it online, but reviews speak of poor quality visuals due to decay.
What I really want to get is the 1909 Thomas Edison studio version of Frankenstein, with Charles Ogle as the monster. Periodically, I hear it's available, and then that it's not, or the only internet sites selling it I'm not sure if I can trust.
ysbaddaden @ 119:
Another reason NOT to impeach. The House is still precarious. Pelosi knows it. An impeachment could impact significantly on the Democrats chances to build a significant majority in the House.
The country does not like the politics right now...an impeachment would LOOK like tit for tat to the great unwashed and uninformed.
Nope. They're not gonna risk it.
Edwin @ 107:
Which is why I said "charged"
Obviously Kucinich & the like get off.
Enablers like Pelosi, Reid, Hillary and Feinstein could get found guilty of a lesser charge.
But they all need to answer for Bushco's adventure.
Liberal AND Proud @ 121:
So which does Nancy have, tit or tat?
Barbara Boxer said, "Elections have consequences."
Apparently in America, not so much.
ysbaddaden @ 123:
I'm a tit man, myself. Admirer that is.
I think the masses would understand the difference between a hummer and what amounts to treason, but only if the MSM report it accurately.
Watergate preempted soap operas, but I doubt a boosh impeachment would even preempt Judge Judy.
Liberal AND Proud @ 125:
No boy boobs huh?
ysbaddaden @ 127:
Nope. I'm not a Republican, so I ain't into that. But I do need a wide stance. ;)
Did anyone mention Tillman,now there's a capitol crime if ever there was one.
More wood on the fire that is now a towering inferno .........
Alas the deals are done behind closed doors, no one will burn.
Only if the american people get of the sofa and do it ........
You said it, tjb: they had Pat Tillman assassinated because of the attention he would have brought to the anti-war movement at a very critical time, right before the 2004 elections.
Law Prof. Turley is talking about Federal Crimes at C&L with Olbermann; and at Raw, Turley is talking about DNC-GOP being complicit in hiding that evidence. Stunningly, this lawyer argues that the US government isn't enforcing the law; but blocking evidence. What's a solution?
ORCON rules prohibit the classification of illegal activity. What's going on with this US government hiding evidence of war crimes, impeachable offenses; and why is the Congress -- a separate branch of government that is supposed to be challenging the President -- assenting to this coverup?
Turley has it: He's outlined a plan for a sitting President to be prosecuted -- outside impeachment, outside Congress: [ Turley, Jonathan, "'From Pillar to Post': The Prosecution of American Presidents," 37 Am. Crim. L. Rev. 1049 (2000) ]
What You Can Do
A. Federal Court Action
Please contact Prof. Turley at Georgetown, and ask him: Does he have a plan to prosecute a sitting President; or what is his solution to this roadlbock the GOP-DNC Congress has created to block evidence and thwart overseeing the President: Does Congress have any plan to review evidence of war crimes, regardless the President's assertions those war crimes are "state secrets"?
B. State level Action
Read the Turley Article Cited above; pass the link to your State AG's office: State AG's have the power to prosecute a sitting President: contact your State AG, and ask your State AG's staff: What is their plan to review Turley's 2000 Crim Law article; and open the door to state-level prosecutions of this istting President, VP, and Members of Congress?
C. Removing Roadblocks to Investigation
Visit this Kos diary and express your views: What is a solution to removing all the roadblocks to the impeachment investigation? There is a way to remove all the roadblocks to an investigation.
lefty @ 1:
How true!
There are many people in this country who are americans first, and Dems or repukes second. And they are disgusted that politics is being put above the country, and our constitution.
As for our madam speaker, Nancy Pelosi is guilty of obstruction of justice. That's how I will always remember this woman. What a cowardly disappointment she has turned out to be!
AND Remember Monica Goodling taking the fifth. That was a smart woman and she admitted before Congress the she gave a religious test. Who are you loyal to first she was asking.
United States Constitution
Article VI
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The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.
"Impeach . . . prosecute . . . and SAVE AMERICA!"
- Naomi Wolf
This site is awesome. Where do I apply for the tin foil hat rights here?
LOOK
Hitlers minions thought they could get away with it too..
I'm looking forward to the GOP Nuremburg trials after hillary kicks republican ass
and i cant wait to see the FACEs of the right wing christian FOOLS
when bill clinton steps foot back into the white house
ha ha ha h ah a
They will not impeach because Bushco has pictures of most of our Senators and representatives having homosexual sex (remember Larry Craig & Mark Foley) and worse having sex with kids. This is how we have ended up here. Bushco owns the both houses of congress through blackmail. I wont go into here but it is documented. Google franklin cover up or dyncorp child sex slavery.
Until this feudalistic MIC economy is broken up and replaced with competitive markets this nation is going down like the Soviet Union.
The only thing that is "clear: is that Olberman is an over the top nut job and Turley has joined they asylum. MSLSD makes FOX look middle of the road.
If you are calling somebody in a cave in Tora Bora, I would like to know that. Call me crazy.
Oh I get it, reading thru this thread and digesting all the rationales defending the dems refusal to put 'impeachment on the table'... pondering the makeup of the house and congress post 08... All of it is about taking in, and understanding and recognition of some 'bigger picture' eh... 'triangulating' are we? Trying to avoid the appearance of 'tit for tat' and worrying about whether or not the actions against Clinton and Nixon 10 and 35 fucking years ago are valid reasons to avoid the only thing that will restore our integrity???? I say BULLSHIT!!!! We are all willing to sit on our asses and let these sonsofbitchin politicians eqivocate and deny reality and blow off action against a president who has clearly broken the law, shit on the constitution and rocked this nation to its very foundations ripping the soul out of our very ideals and turning people against one another as if it was 1860 instead of 2007?? Just because we don't want to create the 'appearance' of some kind of vendetta and repeating impeachment back to back scenario because why??? Might make us look bad??? To someone somewhere???? We don't want to set 'that' bad 'precident'....Ohhhh no, not that... As if letting him walk away leaving the rest of us to pick up the pieces that our grandchildren will spit on all our graves for doing isn't a 'FRIKIN BAD 'PRESCIDENT' in and of itself!!????
JESUS H. FUCKING CHRIST ON A CROSS!!!! It's no goddamed wonder the JerryM's and Edwins of the worlds and all the other overseas posters to this forum hold us in such disdain!!!! We're all talking about letting this motherfucker get away with burning the nation to the ground just because the impeachment of Clinton was a farce that didnt' fly and Nixon escaped the process by resigning one step ahead of the law, and every frikking thing since has been one gotcha after another and we don't want any more of that... So Bush gets a goddamned pass on all the havoc, deaths worldwide, destruction of an entire society and nation over fucking oil (Iraq) and the fracturing of our society and culture??? But yet, we still have time to villify Bill Clinton for having oral sex with a willing participant will holding office???!!!
What the fuck kind of goddamned lunacy has taken hold in this country!!!.... My god, I don't even recognize my own nation or those I thought I had something in common with anymore.... I don't want to hear about bigger picture stratigizing or triangulating or excuse making for this bastard who has wrecked everything that was ever even close to something to be proud of about America... IT. IS. BULL-FUCKING-SHIT!!!!! And btw, as regards the whole linking of the Clinton scandal to this shitstorm of a mess and using 'IT' as a rationale to avoid impeachment... Given all the other 'pre-9/11 background chatter about various forms of conspiracy to gain and control this nation under a one party rule in purpetuity (or maybe I just dreamed that Karl Rove shit..) it's awfully damned convenient that a failed Clinton impeachment has successfully cowed at least some from facing the reality of a 'needed' impeachment of this fuckstick of a moron in the oval office and all the criminals propping him up...
Damned convenient.. So back to back impeachments might hurt the nation??? Any more than what this asshole has brought to bare on us???? I'm fucking sick of being played and this is all starting to feel like being punked out again by someone with the answer key tucked right into their back pocket....
There is only one way out of this.. It ain't pretty, it ain't elegant and it ain't EASY! And it takes guts and a willingness to see past the smoke and mirrors to what it right by the nation, not some politicians future... IMPEACHMENT!!!! Dammit, Bush and his ilk need ran out of this nation on a rail!!!! Tarred and feathered!! Bah! I'm done ranting about this shit.... We will either stand as a nation that repects itself and its laws and regards the rest of the world with equal respect... Or it's over..... We are a dead body walking and our collective brains are just in denial of it.........JerryM??... THAT is what is sad.............. JD
There is only one way out of this frikkking mess that doesn't involve
so many crimes, so little time.
IMPEACH!!!
P.S.
That last line on the bottom would have said...'doesn't involve a bloody uprising in the streets'... and would have led to the demand for impeachment in order to avoid that pointless bloodshed.. I say pointless because George Bush doesn't deserve to have people killing each other over what he has done these last seven years.... Now, I'm dun! JD
Plame Leak by White House Senior Staff: Treason
Bush’s commutation of Scooter Libby now all makes sense, if he ended up behind bars, he might have squealed that bush and dick were ultimately behind the original plan to leak the covert identity of Valerie Plame and expose to our enemies the CIA’s operation monitoring development of WMDs in Iraq & Iran.
That, my friends, is the textbook definition of treason.
Shorter McClellan: I Was A Paid Liar For Bush.
By: Christy Hardin Smith
Tuesday, November 20th, 2007 at 9:50 am
Former WH flack Scott McClellan has a new book coming out wherein he reveals that people in the Bush Administration had him fronting out lies to the public about the WH leak of Valerie Plame Wilson’s CIA ties. Color me shocked. From E&P:
..”The most powerful leader in the world had called upon me to speak on his behalf and help restore credibility he lost amid the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. So I stood at the White house briefing room podium in front of the glare of the klieg lights for the better part of two weeks and publicly exonerated two of the senior-most aides in the White House: Karl Rove and Scooter Libby.
“There was one problem. It was not true.
“I had unknowingly passed along false information. And five of the highest ranking officials in the administration were involved in my doing so: Rove, Libby, the vice President, the President’s chief of staff, and the president himself.”
Do tell, Scott. How, exectly, were “Rove, Libby, the vice President, the President’s chief of staff, and the president himself” involved in your lying to the public? I’d like all the details, please. Including when you learned that these were lies and what you did to correct the public misperceptions, if anything, what sorts of discussions were had about this in the WH, and whether you questioned the information when it was first given to you — or just obligingly parroted as you were told unless and until you were confronted with the fact that you were telling lies. And I’m certain I’m not alone in that sentiment. For your sake, I do hope you were fully forthcoming about this with the FBI. I’m just saying.
I think Kevin Drum summed this mini-kerfuffle up nicely:
Now, Lord knows I don’t want to question McClellan’s claim that his book was “written with no agenda other than to record his experiences and insights for the benefit of history.” But would it be presumptuous of me to suspect that his explanation of Plamegate is somehow going to make it out as nothing more than a silly mistake that the press blew all out of proportion?
Nothing like a little game of pass the buck between the smarm merchants of Bushworld, is there? Note the utter failure to take responsibility for lying to the public, the shunting of said responsibility onto others who have also failed to take responsibility for their respective actions, and the working of “the President’s chief of staff” into the mix of players. Anyone want to place a bet as to whether Andy Card gets set up as the go to fall guy? Emptywheel caught the same Card reference, and mentions the Wells’ card and notes that “just as a reminder, Card and Scottie left the White House within a week of each other–both happening just before Turdblossom’s final grand jury appearance.” (Anyone else’s spidey sense getting a little tingle? And while we’re asking questions, will Scottie own up to being one of the sources for the NYDailyNews story on Rove’s bush league handling of the whole mess? Enquiring minds and all.)
Perhaps, Scottie will spill all the assorted beans to get even for the Bush Administration treating his momma so shabbily in her TX gubernatorial bid. Not bloody likely…but stranger things have happened in gooberville.
(Illustration entitled Free Manure By Mr. Fish via Commandante Agi.)
http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/20/shorter-mcclellan-i-was-a-paid-lia...
Impeach.
It's the only way to regain the nation's self-respect both domestically and internationally.
If we let these guys go without throwing them out office, we render the Constitution a relic and with it, the United States of America.
I truly hope that part of the reason for the alarmingly low approval rating of Congress is the fact that they did not IMMEDIATELY restore habeas corpus on regaining the majority. That they did not do this is frightening. It would then seem that the Democrats and the Republicans are in cahoots with each other in stripping the Bill of Rights from the Constitution.
No question about it. Valerie Plame was covert. Watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAbDfTA1KT4
One of the best reporters on TV is DAVID SHUSTER of MSNBC News and in this video he takes viewers through the whole "outing" of Valerie Plame and subsequent conviction of "Scooter" Libby.
Scott McClellan's new book, "What Happened," which claims both Bush and Cheney were in on the outing of Valerie Plame, is chronicled here in this excellent report by David Shuster of MSNBC.
Never in a million years would you see a reporter or anchor from FOX NEWS tell the truth like David Shuster does in this video package.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C09izYkX47k
FURTHER PROOF VALERIE PLAME WAS A CIA COVERT OPERATIVE not a desk jockey as Brit Hume, John Gibson, Bill O'Reilly and weirdo Neil Cavuto calls her.
Valerie Wilson was no analyst or paper-pusher. She was an operations officer working on a top priority of the Bush Administration. Armitage, Rove and Libby had revealed information about a CIA officer who had searched for proof of the President's case. In doing so, they harmed her career and put at risk operations she had worked on and foreign agents and sources she had handled.
Another issue was whether Valerie Wilson had sent her husband to Niger to check out an intelligence report that Iraq had sought uranium there. Hubris contains new information undermining the charge that she arranged this trip. In an interview with the authors, Douglas Rohn, a State Department officer who wrote a crucial memo related to the trip, acknowledges he may have inadvertently created a misimpression that her involvement was more significant than it had been
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060918/corn
Here is a link to Plame testifying before a Congressional committee investigating the CIA leak case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k3GuVTfWLw
Part 2 of Valerie Plame video testimony before Congress re CIA leak case now part of the Scott McClellan book on how the WH lied to get the U.S. into war with Iraq.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3epOuEZTfNM
Pt. 3 of video showing Valerie Plame testifying before Congress re CIA leak case that is now the focal point of Scott McClellan's new book.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0K-pSNw_O4
KATIE COURIC INTERVIEWS VALERIE PLAME FOR ‘60 MINUTES’ PROGRAM lending more substance to the fact FOX NEWS has tried to bury the information contained in the new Scott McClellan book which I write about in this post.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV-REM00YbY&feature=related
ADDING MORE FACTS TO MY POST HERE IS AN INTERVIEW WITH VALERIE PLAME AND MSNBC'S KEITH OLBERMANN. This all makes FOX NEWS look like the Bush waterboys they are. A cover-up inside of a cover-up with FOX News leading the charge:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFKPV07o5S0&feature=related
Adding substance to the claims made in McClellan's new book and virtually ignored by FOX News is a two-part video interview by TruthOut.ORG with Valerie Plame which can be seen here
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/112107A.shtml
There is also additional proof that Vice President Dick Cheney was involved in the "leak" of Valerie Plame's name to the media. Cheney's Handwritten Notes Implicate Bush in Plame Affair
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/013107Z.shtml
Hardball tackles the Bush White House CIA identity Leak issue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRY5cUW7_V8
Bush needs to come clean, or be impeached
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xlb0nriL7gA
JOE WILSON GOES ON CNN'S AMERICAN MORNING TO CALL PRESIDENT BUSH A TRAITOR: SEE VIDEO HERE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRcMaeQMitM
WATCH VIDEO OF JOE WILSON TALKING TO KEITH OLBERMANN ABOUT HIS WIFE, VALERIE PLAME, AND THE NEW SCOTT MCCLELLAN BOOK, WHICH IS THE SUBJECT OF MY POST.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XyVSeNHYak
MSNBC'S JOE SCARBOROUGH RIPS INTO ROBERT NOVAK FOR OUTING VALERIE PLAME. SEE VIDEO HERE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW1BxKIDLv4
"Plame was ‘covert’ agent at time of name leak."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679/
JOHN DEAN TALKS TO KEITH OLBERMANN ABOUT THE VALERIE PLAME CIA LEAK CASE AND SCOTT MCCLELLAN'S NEWS BOOK which is subject of my post: See video here:
This is only 4 days old.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuKva-RANxQ
Everyone in Washington knew Bush and Cheney wanted to go to war with Iraq as far back as 2000. Cheney had Joe Wilson go to Africa to dig into Niger selling Yellow Cake to Saddam. When Wilson couldn't find any proof, Cheney set the ball in motion to out Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame. It is well documented Cheney visited the CIA offices in late in 2002 looking for information on Plame. Cheney finally had "Scooter" Libby start leaking to the press the name of Valerie Plame. Then the Bush WH tried to blame it all on Richard Armitage and FOX NEWS went right along with the lie selling it to their braindead audience of trolls.
Now Scott McClellan has written a book that tells the truth. Bush, Cheney, Rove etc. etc. were ALL in on the outing of Valerie Plame and she was a CIA operative and now a desk jockey like FOX NEWS says.
Most of the story is contained in this link:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060918/corn
But there is much, much more
The conviction says Libby illegally obstructed justice in the investigation into the White House outing of an undercover CIA agent, Valerie Plame Wilson. He was also convicted of perjury and making false statements to FBI agents.
The investigation of Karl Rove revolved around the same issues, among possible others.
Former President George H. W. Bush was right in 1999 when he said, “I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious, of traitors.”
Former Republican National Committee Chair Ed Gillespie was right when he said, “I think if the allegation is true, to reveal the identity of an undercover CIA operative—it’s abhorrent, and it should be a crime, and it is a crime.”
The American people must know this important truth: This indictment is about a cover-up of the lies that led our nation to war in Iraq.
Traitors all, the Bush administration should face justice by being tried and convicted and sentenced for their henious crimes.
They betrayed the nation and it’s constitution that they themselves swore to protect. defend and uphold. They have betrayed us all. There is no worse crime against the American People.
a few more for the road
Rep. Hall Stands up for Impeachment in NH
http://impeachforpeace.org/impeach_bush_blog/?p=4113
Impeach Cheney, Bush and Pelosi!
By Ted Lang
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18786.htm
Greens: McClellan Bombshell Demands Impeachment
Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald Must Probe New Evidence in Plame Case;
Democrats and Republicans Who Refuse to Hold Bush and Cheney Accountable Are Complicit in White House Crimes
http://www.commondreams.org/news2007/1128-17.htm
"Come senators, congressmen, please heed the call!"
http://www.opednews.com/articles/2/opedne_mikehers_071128__22come_senato...
Federal crime. Pretty darn hard to ignore, indeed.
Impeach. Indict. Imprison.
Bush, Cheney and Pelosi.
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Since we all agree... what are we going to do? Surely we're not going to elect Hillary? In case you haven't noticed - Bill spends more time with Papa than little George does. Guess they share a lot of memories from the drug running days - snorting coke off a dead teen's body in aircraft hanger at the airport in Mena Arkansas. I know what you're thinking... poooor Bill. Those GOP bastards really had it out for him. they investigated him and harassed him. And I agree. They went after him on things like blowjobs and twenty-year old petty thefts... and all the while he was signing NAFTA and signing executive orders for W to use when it was his turn. And while all the serious offenses were taking place - the bullshit was front and center 24x7.
Hillary and Bill are both part of the Bush Krime Family. Do you really think Bill didn't know the CIA was smuggling coke through his state? Unless he is really just a dumb bumpkin (which is so not the case) then he knew and he cooperated. So think about that. Cooperation with the CIA is one thing... but cooperation with the CIA in an operation that violates laws, morals, and ethics... that's a horse of a different color.
And what about Wesley Clark? Good friend of the Clintons... enters the race when Dean becomes the best bet... and then he concedes the day after Dean. hmmmm.
Ok - I'll stop now before I end up typing all night.
Here's the nutshell.
It's like pro-wrestling. They yell and cuss at each other... but behind the scenes, they are all friends.
That's why I'm voting for Ron Paul.
And yes - I would support Dennis if he won the nomination.
Dennis and Ron are the only two real people in the race. And a real person is the only way we will fix this without a armed conflict.
chris @ 3:
Your anger is misguided. I'm all for taking matters into your own hands, but just because someone is rich, privileged, or even powerful, does not make them responsible for your suffering. Some of them made their money through honest work, honest saving, or honest investing. Not all rich people are interested in stealing your money. Judge a man by his actions, but don't assume on his actions simply because of what you see. This country was founded on the concept of "innocent until proven guilty."
You need to think before you hurt someone that doesn't deserve it.
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