December 01, 2007 07:02 PM
Andrew Sullivan Appeals to GOP Base to "Vote for Giuliani!"
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Andrew Sullivan went on the Chris Matthews Show this Sunday and ticked off the reasons why Giuliani has such a strong appeal to the GOP base despite his more liberal positions on abortion rights, same sex marriage, cross-dressing, etc:
"If you think Dick Cheney has been a great Vice President; You'll love Rudy Giuliani as President." ..."If you think America needs more enemies; If you think America needs to alienate more countries; Vote for Giuliani!"
Oh, ouch. When comparing somebody to the current vice president is an attack (and a good one), that's a bad sign on a lot of levels.
Too bad that Cheney didn't run, actually--I don't think even Rove could have gotten him elected. He'd have had a heart attack halfway through the second debate anyway.
burned that GOP base good.
Thank You.
Andrew Sullivan is a very confused individual...I have great compassion for such a confused man like Mr. Sullivan. Someday, I hope Mr. Sullivan ends his confusion by actually separatiing himself from the GOP...
Did the confused Sullivan already forget that Rudy Giuliani has accepted the support of Pat Robertson and that the former NYC mayor constantly tries to win the Christian Right over on social/cultural issues by promising to appoint Justices like Scalia?
Andrew Sullivan is a confused individual whose logic is only illogic.
Damn I thought I was going to get to see Mathews head explode. Did you cut the clip before that happened because it was to graphic?
Good for Andrew Sullivan. He's come a long way to make up for his original myopia.
Mr. XXXX @ 4:
I'm guessing that you didn't watch the video yet? Just a guess. ;)
:lol:
My own support video for Giuliani, a 30 second spot that celebrates the most important thing you need to know about him. September Eleven. The foreign policy vision he will bring to the table, it's gonna be in Technicolor baby.
I love it, you hear time after time Conservatives going on and on about how they are so more accepting withing their party then the Democrats are, and how big of a party tent they have. Sullivan criticizes GOP and is now wished by Mr. XXX to leave the GOP. LOL great stuff, really is.
I have always been a Sullivan fan, I have been watching Maher forever and Sullivan always makes for a great panelist.
http://www.hyerstandard.com
Mr. XXXX @ 4:
I must stand corrected for a moment. I am glad Andrew Sullivan is not "supporting Rudy Giuliani" but, until he leaves the GOP he will still be seen by me as a confused individual. I mean this guy Sullivan gets no real credit from me by having been a cheerleader for the Republican Theocrats this long. Sullivan has still not made that "great leap forward" the way David Brock and Arianna Huffington have....until that time, I will continue to have great doubts about Andrew Sullivan.
Matthew @ 9:
I am not a Republican or a Conservative....See my corrected post above.
"As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety than ever before, even in the midst of war. God grant that my suspicions may prove groundless."
- Abraham Lincoln
don't hate me @ 12 "As a result of the war..."
That FAKE quotation is bs. Lincoln never said it.
"...this war is for ever. This is how democracies perish. The rule of law no longer has any party to defend it. The Republicans want no check on the powers of our de facto protectorate. And the Democrats have no spine. We live under the lawless protectorate we deserve. And such lawlessness is always the result when cowards refuse to confront bullies."
- Andrew Sullivan
AS @ 8:
and to top it off its all going to be kiddie phorn!
Why does this clown have a platform?
You definitely have to watch the video to get this post.
It's not a dig at Sullivan at all.
justabill @ 17:
Exactly. Sullivan started off so wrong and made good by seeing the forest for the trees years ago. He is no neo-con supporter.
“As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety than ever before, even in the midst of war. God grant that my suspicions may prove groundless.”
- Abraham Lincoln (in dispute)
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9C0DEFDE133BEE33A...
At first I thought a tick would be a better analogy but, why should I insult a blood-drinking spreader of disease?
I'm writing down that Lincoln quote. Thank you "don't hate me".
I got a shut up moment using Ike's warning about the military industrial complex, so I appreciate new material.
I find that reasonable (ignorant) conservatives will also shut up when you ask them if George Washington was a conservative.
I never know how to take this guy. I have seem him on shows and he seems pretty logical, most of the time. Wasn't he a big GOP supporter; however?
A Popocratic Forgery
Remarks Attributed to Lincoln Pronounced Spurious
Published: October 3, 1896 by The New York Times
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=2&res=9C0DEFDE133BEE33A...
Tyree wrote "and to top it off its all going to be..."
Sorry to disappoint you tyree, it's nominally an ad in support of McCain, tongue in cheek ... a bit similar to Sullivan exhorting GOP basers to vote for Giuliani. If you don't want to click the link, I don't mind. I know it's bad form to post links to original content you've created, but if you don't do it for yourself, who will?
Anyway, dig the audio with headphones if you can, was originally put together for this contest but I never submitted it. Don't click the link, it's scary.
he could have changed that to "Vote for a Republican" because I'm pretty sure that if any one of the Republican candidates get into power they will see it as inheriting a windfall and not as an opportunity to heal America after 8 years of crimes and abuse.
Had Mr Sullivan watched the Republican YouTube debate he would have heard Rudy clearly state his position that " All ur uterus belong to da individual States".
Not what any sane person would call a liberal position on abortion.
don't hate me @ 19:
Um, not.
Boy, he really nailed that one on the head. The Whitehouse has become a home for the Criminally Insane.
Isnt this the same idiot(gay at that) who supported Bush before he decided just a couple of yrs ago not to support Bush any longer?
Who cares what that dummy thinks.
John Dean said that Guiliani was far worse than Dubya. Frankly, he scares the crap out of me. I didn't believe Dubya would win in 2000, He didn't, but that didn't matter because the fix was in and he was given the WH by the Scalia court. Guiliani is just as capable of pulling off another coup, staging a fake al Qaeda attack - then doing a Putin or Chavez - and ending up as President-for-Life.
The Bottom Line----People like Andrew Sullivan have been card-carrying GOP supporters all these years when they were dominated by the same exact people who are there now....The Christian Theocrats and the Neocons are still there....Why should all of a sudden I bow down to the likes of Andrew Sullivan?
As far as I am concerned, its people like Andrew Sullivan and his ilk for why the United States went to war in Iraq. Its the like of Andrew Sullivan in supporting the GOP vote against his own personal interests. In supporting Bush and the GOP, Sullivan helps to create the social and cultural conditions which discriminates against gays, lesbians, bisexual, and transgendered people. Andrew Sullivan in being a Republican promoted the likes of Antonia Scalia. Samuel Alito, John Roberts, and Clarence Thomas.
Andrew Sullivan in being a gay America is seen as trash by the same people he has been defending all these years. I have tolerance for the likes of Mr. Sullivan, but, little patience as well. The man overall has done nothing to see where he has been "logical" the entire time he has been around the windbag circuit.
Those who are ultra-nationalist, authoritarian, hyper-ethnocentric, clerical, chauvinists, and militaristic, tend, also, to be anti-democratic, sexists, xenophobes, and racists, not to mention bigots against gays and lesbians.
GUARANTEED the only reason Sullivan is doing this is because Giuliani is the only non-D candidate that hasn't vowed to write GLBTs out of the constitution. GUARANTEED. Giuliani is also the only R with decent name and face recognition. Ergo, easy formula: known guy + doesn't hate GLBTs = perfect republican for president. Too bad the tragic flaw is that he's a raging authoritarian.
Rudy = Colonel Klink . Can someone post a clip of the chimp actually being called " monkey ", as in monkey in themiddle , buy a newscaster today....see apologised for it later but it was probably the most accurate reporting done in this country for decades.
BlueIndependent @ 31:
You might want to watch the video before you post next time, especially when offering guarantees. ;)
re: waterboarding
“There is no doubt - no doubt at all - that these tactics are torture and subject to prosecution as war crimes. We know this because the law is very clear, when you don't have war criminals like AEI's John Yoo rewriting it to give one man unchecked power. …We have war criminals in the White House. What are we going to do about it?”
- Andrew Sullivan, Republican Blogger in The Atlantic 10/07
Who in the hell is this clown? All he's missing is the Bozo nose.
'I see the Republican Party headed toward an endless abyss; led to its demise by ideologues willing to betray the country for corporate and self-interest. I see the people gathering in a massive throng to rip down the walls of oppression, to shatter the bonds of tyranny. I see the hatred and greed that is plutocracy pitched into the unquenchable fires of rebellion. I smell the damp decay of an avaricious and deceptive polity left to rot in the pure light of truth. I hear the sounds of democracy in the crackling flames of a burning Bush.'
Abraham Lincoln in his Philidelphia speech of 1863
The republicans have become disillusioned to discover that George Bush is stupid and deranged. They will now choose Giuliani because he is not so stupid.
justabill @ 26:
While the above quote is in dispute (and I included the NY Times article link from 1896 in my post #19) it's a fact that Lincoln feared the power of corporations:
...America's most visionary leaders have long warned against allowing corporate power to dominate the political landscape. In 1863, in the depths of the Civil War, Abraham Lincoln lamented, "I have the Confederacy before me and the bankers behind me, and I fear the bankers most."
Crimes Against Nature by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Dec. 11, 2003
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1120-01.htm
Allow the President to invade a neighboring nation whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such purpose, and you allow him to make war at pleasure. Study to see if you can fix any limit to his power in this respect, after having given him so much as you propose...
- Abraham Lincoln
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln
What a disgrace that this man is even on TV. He lied about Chomsky. And he likes giuliani huh? What does he like, the big lie? (see video)
I had no idea Sullivan was pimping for the democrats.
Whoever got him to tout Giuliani was brilliant, I wonder which democratic campaign will claim credit for this, Giuliani as an opponent would be a wet dream for Kermit the Frog.
Moe-Zilla @ 27:
That's why the corporate republicans like Ghouliani. He's a liar and a crook. Perfect to walk in Bush's path.
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
That's the last time I post after just glancing at the headline, because I wanted to do something else.
johnny canuck @ 32:
Ah, that was Erin Burnett :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HgvQgGDJuw
Joe Scarborough doesn't want to murder Erin because he likes her.
After seeing the clip, it was nice that Andrew succinctly pointed out the main problems with Giuliani and just deflated Tweety's hero. I also think Andrew Sullivan is an Obama supporter so he's certainly come around to seeing the light! (for the most part)
Preacher Boob @ 41:
How about this? Watch the video, sparky. It's a little embarrassing that so many C&L viewers can't seem to bother with watching the video or checking the background of the individual in question.
History, people. It exists.
Pimping for the Democrats?
How about this? Let's pimp for the truth. I don't give a flying fuck who's supposed side someone is on. I'll be an independent for as long as need be to get the corporate paid flying monkeys to get in line.
It is NOT about party affiliation anymore, although the Republicans are other wordly in their total disconnect. So Fuck the repubs and be more than leery of the so-called democrats.
We are Earth Incorporated after all and it's high time these corporate sponsered assholes on both sides realize the jig is up.
Look at your labels and realize it's made in China.
E.T. @ 46:
He caught himself a half an hour before you ET:
Preacher Boob @ 43:
This post is purposefully misleading for comedic effect though so it's understandable that some would get confused by it.
You just have to watch the video to really get it. It's a hard slam on Giuliani and the GOP base, not Sullivan. Not at all.
He's supporting Obama, dipshit.
Tom Murphy @ 40:
Folks.... Mr Sullivan does not speak for the GLBT community. He is a pariah of the highest order.
He was quite the bush cheerleader, and labeled anyone a communist who dared to critique the lead up to war. He's a social conservative with a raging hardon for Roman Catholicism...
Jim West
Larry Craig
Ted Haggard
Roy Cohn..etc...
thats the crowd he belongs in.
Andrew hitched his caboose to the republican war machine, now that its come off the rails he's looking for a new freight train to latch behind.
it's all falling apart for the serial groom. He's losing to a d00d that claims Jesus calls him on a cell phone
Come sit by me, Smitherssocal!
I'm sure I don't have to refresh y'all's memory as to my feelings towards Patient Less Than Zero
I don't always agree with Sullivan, but he does seem to be a true conservative doesn't he? I give him credit for speaking out against the horrible ideology that's taken over the GOP.
I give him no credit at all.
And neither does anyone else affected by the AIDS crisis he claims is "over."
I am down with this dude. I want them to send Julie as their candidate so bad, I could taste it.
We are going to have a good time with this man folks, to the point that we are going to send the republicans in to hiding for the next fifty years and I will most likely be dead at that time and wont give a dame.
justabill @ 33:
I did. What? You think AS won't flip on Giuliani because of The G's relative GLBT love versus the other R candidates? AS has flipped before. He says one thing and tends to (although on a reduced basis) change his tune later when it's an R's office on the line. You think he'd honestly vote for Huckabee, Thompson, Tancredo, Hunter, or anyone else after the debate the other night? Well, maybe Ron Paul, but AS is not above, voting with his team when the chips are down.
BlueIndependent @ 56:
You watched the video and you think Sullivan supports Giuliani?
I don't get that. He could hardly have disparaged Giuliani any more than he did in that clip.
Mr. XXXX @ 4:
did you see the video ? he is making fun of giuliani and cheney. I too get an impression that he is confused or takes multiple positions sometimes. he said in bill maher show that he supports obama candidancy.
Kimberly @ 53:
i agree with you. i think sometimes he can be blindly following gopers, like iraq war. he says he believed the president. i cant understand how anyone not even get a little doubtful about people saying i saw from satellite , mobile trucks and centrifuges. i dont understand journalists who are deaf ears to eminent people like hans blix who clearly said there is no wmd. probably instincts, critical thinking was suspended. arrogance and blindness prevailed.
a journalist should be believed with a grain of salt if he supported iraq war build up.
For those of you trashing sullivan for being a bush supporter initially just remember he came to his senses much before many others. Afterall, he supported Kerry over Bush in the last election.
It horrifies me that after this dreadful war, technology will arise which willet result in weaponry of unprecedented power, which will be unleashed upon the Persian Empire by these Reunited States.
Abraham Lincoln
Don't worry Andrew, alot of people will when Hillary gets the dems nomination, and then we're well and truly screwed regardless of who wins.
God help us.
Kucinich/Paul FTW!
Rudy would be good for the Democrats. He's nothing but a scoundral and a thug. Andrew Sullivan is donating money to Obama.
This guy is a sick-o hypocrite. He's gay, and backs the GOP! I've seen him on Bill Maher many times.
Mr. XXXX @ 22:
"popocratic'
Ah yes those #@$%&! populists. As for your evidence that the quote is spurious, a scribble from the New York Times at the height of the Gilded Age is hardly what I'd call an unimpeachable (or unbiased) source.
Please let it be know that Andrew Sullivan DOES NOT REPRESENT THE LGBTQ community. In fact he is very disliked by the gay community. He supported the war. He supports Rudy....just like Pat Robertson.
Who gives a fuck what Andrew Sullivan thinks. He is the greatest non entity of our time.
He should bunk up with Rev Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and retire to a rest home for politico has beens.
James Izzard
remember all of the lip service he used to dish about clinton lewinsky...so how can he with a straight face even suggest support for rudy..
andrew you are a joke...really..
James: Do you seriously think he supports Guiliani? Did you see the video? His site, andrewsullivan.com is full of denunciations of Hizzoner. And yes, he was very wrong on the war (like many Democrats, for that matter), but has come around a long time ago. And he is one of the few conservative bloggers who regularly denounces the fake 'conservatism' of W and his gang, especially on matters such as torture and privacy. He happens to be a gay guy with conservative instincts, so that puts him in a difficult position: support liberals who I disagree with on most things, but accept me as gay? Or conservatives? It's a tough line to walk, and he doesn't always do it well, but he's interesting and tries to maintain some logical coherence.
I've seen him a few times and he seems well educated and well spoken. But I'm curious as to why he thinks anyone would listen to him. He's an openly gay conservative libertarian, HIV positive person who supports the very ideology that want to take away his rights, prevent him from marrying, prevent him from adopting, prevent him from becoming a citizen because he has HIV ( even though he contracted it HERE ), make it legal to murder him, and consider him to be an 'abomination before god'. That sounds a lot like a person who is starving to death supporting a political ideology that refuses to allow him to eat.
He is obviously a moron.
Andrew Sullivan seems to be one of the more dishonest 'pundits' around...Like a slightly less inflammatory Camille Paglia, he picks the most counter-intuitive positions and runs with it, acting like he really believes 'em. It's the sort of contrarian / smarty-pants school of bringing attention to yourself when you don't really have too much of interest to say. I never buy his claims of believing whatever position he's selling, and, it seems like Andrew, more than anything, wants to be notorious and will say anything to get there. Why not write another half-baked book, throw him on an extended tour with Ann Coulter, and -- VOILA! -- he can be the gay pet of U.S. conservatives all over. Maybe they can even 'counsel' Larry Craig...
UGH.
I am curious to know Chris Matthews' responses to Adrew Sullivan's characterization of Rudy Guilliani as Dick Cheney's successor to a dictatorial presidency embracing torture, wiretaps and limitless, unchecked executive powers. Matthews has a serious case of "man-love" for Rudy, so did he deflect or dimiss Sullivan's depiction of Rudy?
Andrew has always liked obama. he may seem to like rudy because he does not seem to admit he likes a dem, maybe the attraction is about obama's closet repug leaning. corrupt and spinless, he doesn't like to vote. Lately he has been whinning because hillary is attacking him. maybe he forgets that when he was attacking he called it showing differenses between them. swallow your own medicine. That goes for the huffpo and daily kos you dumb asses your criticisms of hillary were implanted by the neocons. Huffpo calls fox noise nothing but propaganda. Your post is nothing but propaganda for your pretty boy obambi(oh he is so pretty and sweet...puke..he is a wimp) I guess thats why andrew likes him...he likes pretty, sissy boys.
Sullivan was great in this clip.
One of Rudy's rivals could use that as an ad.
I think Andrew Sullivan likes guys,who can dress up like a women.Thats why he supports Rudy and Obama.
Sullivan is not only disliked but LOATHED by anyone who is out, proud, or even well-adjusted about his/her sexual preference. He is a crypto-fascist without the balls to state his real positions (hence the asinine flip-flops on BUSH--try to imagine anyone with a shred of gay pride or even self-preservation supporting that troglodyte???), a Republican powermonger WANNABE who just can't get the theocrats and cartels to give a FAG the time of day no matter how hard he licks their asses.
Poor little Andy.
LOL!
Sullivan is a "Butch" Gay that identifies GOP as winners and Libs as wimps.
Too bad for him the only place for that queer in 2 party system, is back in the closet pushing police state and wars.
I guess the anti-gay GOP party soured his lust for war and a Big Bro police state ? Maybe he will join the disenfranchised Ron Paul supporters ?
Dems will go to bat for his gay rights then tell him "DON'T ASK & DON'T TELL" is best he will get.
As Billary tried to push the license for illegals to drive those NAU trucks, then a week later after being exposed and booed in debate Billary stabbed her Mexican friends in the back and was certain "NO" vote . It was a power play for ethnic votes, her husband was the NAFTA king of 90's !
She will make a fool of everyone who vote for her, she is CFR comprimised and does not sound close to Ron Paul who scored rare 100/100 constitutional vote records.
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