Hardball: Biden Repeats His Threat To Bush - Invade Iran And You'll Be Impeached
By Logan Murphy Monday Dec 03, 2007 8:17pm
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On Tuesday's Hardball, Senator Joe Biden appeared with Chris Matthews and talked about the new NIE report that showed Iran had halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003. Biden said last week that if the president chose to bypass Congress and invade Iran he would immediately call for his impeachment.
Biden stood behind those comments today, saying they were a warning to President Bush and that he has no constitutional authority to take us to war without congressional approval.
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I agree with Kucinich. it would be too late. Could you imagine trying to impeach a president in war time?
Oh yeah,,, I forgot.
Senator Biden sounded very tough.
Why wait for an invasion?
As much as I'd like to see shrub impeached, I'm not the slightest bit interested in him starting a war for this to get the wheels in motion.....and it would be slow motion, believe me.
Why not impeach him already? He lied us into Iraq and at least a million Iraqis are dead as a result. Almost 4000 Americans are dead, thousands maimed, and hundreds of billions have been spent.
Gee thanks, Joe. Like the past six years haven't been reason enough...
Tweety looked like he was getting a real boner on there :)
Stop with the BS Senator MNBA(Biden),You have grounds right now to impeach the Prez why wait.This is to appease the Dem base as the Senate & house Dems have capitulated on everthing the WH has put forward.
I've never trusted Biden, perceived him as a person of great intellect or thought he had any particular acumen in terms of foreign policy. I suspect the he doesn't think Bush will take military action against Iran, at least until his final moments in office (when it would be too late), otherwise Biden wouldn't have threatened impeachment. If he thinks there are grounds for impeachment, there is nothing to stop him from advocating it now.
Looks like Israel's government is unhappy with the NIE report because they so badly wanted us to attack Iran.
What a dishrag full of hot air. Impeach Chainy and bush-Rag now senator-boy. All the rest is just talk...
And if Biden had the power of impeachment, I would be impressed.
Good on yer, Joe, impeach The Dummy if he invades Iran. (Better make it ATTACKS Iran, you know how the republicans are for strict wording)
And just to make it more interesting, tell The Dummy you're going to impeach him if he DOESN'T attack Iran.
In fact, why not just impeach the SOB if he wakes up tomorrow?
Impeachment must come from Congress, not the Senate. The congress doesn't have the balls to impeach, so Biden can bluster all he wants, it is just bluster.
I'm really getting cynical. Why did I smile when I read this headline?
Biden would be a much better prez than shrub.
Joe..joe...where were ya when we needed ya?
Senator, why wait to impeach the drunken monkey for doing to Iran what he already did to Iraq.
Still, Sen. Biden, as far as I can tell, is the only Democratic candidate to use the I-word.
(Don't hold your breath for Hillary, Inc. to do likewise.)
As of this evening, Sen. Biden won my vote.
Impeach now. Why wait?
Biden is a phony.
He is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations
Dick Cheney is a member of the CFR, in fact was once its President - but he kept that a secret from the public.
Good Cop-Bad Cop. Smoke and Mirrors. Keep the masses befuddled.
fiver @ 19:
and beat the Holiday rush!
That's just "Bring 'Em On!" to a dope like Bush.
Sheesh-keep your mouth shut, Biden. You'll start WWIII with bullshit playground talk like that.
Biden states that the actions of this administration are unconscionable. I'm in total agreement.
If committing an unconscionable act is not grounds for impeachment, what is??? Seriously. I just don't get it.
baffel them with bullshit huh bidden!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All of the above comments are worth noting. However. I will say it's about time SOMEBODY in Congress expressed what Biden said. Again,I agree with my fellow commenters,BUT at least He said it.
Impeach Now! Kucinich: Right Then. Right Now. Biden said he will lead the move for Impeachment? This is ridiculous! Kucinich has lead the move for Impeachment even when it was not popular!
Kucinich is the mainstream. Kucinich has my vote!
Read HR 333!
Waiting and giving him an opportunity to attack is bullshit. This country wants them out now, both him and Cheney. He might just as well have told Bush to go ahead and attack, don't worry about it, we will talk about it later. Tough talk but it is meaningless, talk is cheap, we want action!
Bush could chop off Nancy Pelosi's head and pee into the stump live on national teevee & the Demo's would just marvel at what a great leader he is & still refuse to impeach.
It's slightly interesting that a few of the Dino contenders will from time to time cozy up to what should be the Demo base (Dodd claiming he'd prevent telecom immunity for wiretapping before just today cozying up to Don ("I pay him to write nigger jokes") Imus). But once they're elected they'll spit in the face of ordinary 'Murikans once more to serve their corporate masters . . .
Dave @ 18:
youd be wrong kucinich wants bush and cheny tried and hung!
"I like you, you're the real deal" -----NOT
I'm only a piss-poor Christian American patriot from Illinois, America, but I have to say, tonight, God Bless Mike McConnell, Michael Hayden, Robert Mueller or whoever got this $#!+ straightened out re: Iran.
Makes me proud as all get-go to fly my raggedy-@$$ stars and stripes tonight.
Yeah, let's wait until after Bush starts WWIII.
Then Bush can finish his term of office, relaxing in Dubai, getting drunk.
Bravo Senator Joe Biden!!! finally our guys are getting the airtime to call Bushco on their lies!
Here's the smoking gun Tweaty, that proves Bushco KNEW and lied about Iraq WMD ...
"It just sticks in my craw every time I hear them say it’s an intelligence failure. It’s an intelligence failure. This was a policy failure," Drumheller tells Bradley.
Drumheller was the CIA's top man in Europe, the head of covert operations there, until he retired a year ago. He says he saw firsthand how the White House promoted intelligence it liked and ignored intelligence it didn’t:
"The idea of going after Iraq was U.S. policy. It was going to happen one way or the other," says Drumheller. "
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/21/60minutes/main1527749.shtml
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Bravo Senator Joe Biden!!! finally our guys are getting the airtime to call Bushco on their lies!
Here's the smoking gun Tweaty, that proves Bushco KNEW and lied about Iraq WMD ...
"It just sticks in my craw every time I hear them say it’s an intelligence failure. It’s an intelligence failure. This was a policy failure," Drumheller tells Bradley.
Drumheller was the CIA's top man in Europe, the head of covert operations there, until he retired a year ago. He says he saw firsthand how the White House promoted intelligence it liked and ignored intelligence it didn’t:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/21/60minutes/main1527749.shtml
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big deal, it's about 2,000 American lives late wouldn't you say? not to mention the Iraqis. doesn't anyone else see the studied, judicial posturing of this guy? he tries to play the down home but he's arrogant.
Dave @ 18:
You have forgotten Kucinich's advocacy of impeachment.
Just by threatening to invade a country, Bush has committed an IMPEACHABLE offense.
Toss it on the pile, with the rest of his crimes.
I agree, impeachment wouldn't stop him. In fact, it would actually give him an excuse to be a saited martyr in his own mind.
(And boy, looks like Tweetie had got himself a new BFF, and told Tom DeLay he's not going to play with him anymore.)
Danielle @ 26:
Impeach Cheney with HR 333 and impeach Bush with HR 666. A befitting number for the devil of all presidents.
I agree, Kucinich laid it all out in HR 333.
Mayor McFlight Suit should have been run out of town on a rail long ago. Yet like the good little ventriloquist dummy that he is he just repeats what ever "The Shooter" feeds into his little wooden head. "I just learned about the Iran NIE last week."
but, but, but.......Bush has signing statements. he don't need
any approval to invade, he's the decider-er.
abarts @ 21:
The truth is that Bush doesn't DESERVE to be impeached for starting wars all over the place like a dog that hasn't been paper-trained. He should be impeached for one of his more petty-minded little dirty tricks, like telling them to make sure there weren't enough voting machines in the poor neighborhoods in Ohio. That would be appropriate. Measure the censure to the man. Nixon should have been impeached for bombing Cambodia, but Bush....he deserves to be impeached for stealing pencils from The Situation Room.
If you impeach yourself bush, we'll let you invade disneyland...deal?
Pericles @ 42:
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fiver @ 19:
why wait ? 'caz GW told him already that he is not going to get in Iran..Ha !
after reading posts here it seems that majority on this board knows that both these are doing their own job.
One is trying keep his TV show rating up, other one is scoring point for election by punching "GW Punch Bag".
biden can make all the noise he wants, but as long as Bush has his loyal and true allies Pelosi, Hoyer and Reid covering his back, he'll be ableto get away with mass murder. as many times as he pleases.
And Bush is quaking in his boots over the Democrats' idle threats. Why does he have to start another illegal war to get impeached? IMPEACH!
Too bad we don't have strong Dems like Morse and Fulbright anymore.
Oh, and decent and honest Repubs, too, like Dirksen and Baker. The ones who told Tricky Dick that the jig was up.
Note to Joe:
Why in the hell are you not calling for Bush's impeachment NOW (or last week, month, year...) for the crimes and treasons he has already committed?
Truth Be Told @ 20:
That's right- you get it. They won't have a real impeacher on there. Biden is one of the enemies of America that's tearing this places to pieces with lies and deceptions. Until he gives me a reason to think otherwise, that's my opinion.
All the evidence to impeach is there. Darth is sitting on it. Just declassify it, or make it a good long jail term to destroy evidence if that what he's been doing with it.
"I was on the big Hoohah Committee for umpteen years!" Really, who gives a shit?
So you want to impeach? Then quit flapping your cheeks in the wind and do something, senator.
"Blah, blah, blah, impeach, blah, blah..."
WHERE'S THE BEEF, SENATOR?
ohhh now all the Sudden Biden has balls, yea, sure you will Senator, are'nt u running for something??
ROM Spaceknight @ 31:
God bless a bunch of republicans? Please.
wisedup @ 43:
Hey, leave the Disney properties out of this. They're the only utopias left in the world.
kaT @ 52:
It's a lot more complex than that. It's not Republicans vs. Democrats, it's not even really simply lower & middle vs. upper class.
It's about answering the question, "Will you uphold the U.S. Constitution?"
BIDEN ... is he running for President or something like that?
You avoid starting another war by getting rid of bush now.
IMPEACH NOW!
Or just talk to the hand.
smgumby @ 14:
BINGO!!!
IMPEACH NOW!
I'm George Bush, M'rF'r, and I'm so quaking in me boots; 'cause Joe (BLOW) Biden says he' 'gonna 'peach my ass! F'n do it Dawg. You bitches been threaten' now for couple years! Come on! Get Real! Who you think you're play'n with?... Dickless Cheney? F'n Pssys!
impeach now or the next repub prez will be 1,000 times worse than Bush like 43's a thousand times worse than his father
Sorry Senator Biden- everyone sees through your political posturing.(see the majority of posts above). You are not fooling anyone here. Call for Impeachment now, there is more than ample evidence just on the surface. Start turning over rocks, and I think everyone will be astounded by the degree of corruption of this administration.
If you are going to wait for the pretext of an attack on Iran- then just (respectfully) shut up.
I agree, waiting for Bush or Cheney to attack Iran will be too late. If the NIE further convinced Bush that his stance towards Iran was correct, then I'm more convinced that Bush will attack Iran before he leaves office.
Second, Biden is incorrect if he thinks that it is somehow going to be easier to impeach the President after the strike. We are talking about a conflagration that has the potential of turning most of the Muslim world against the U.S. along with the governments of our various client states in the region. Scott Ridder has given a plausible scenario that every American should consider.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XQan1qo8T4
I don't have the confidence Biden has that he will be able to launch a coalition to impeach a President in the middle of major combat operations. The arguments will be: We are in the middle of war. There are only a few months left. There are more important matters to attend to than how we got to this point.
If impeachment is going to mean anything, it has to happen before we strike Iran. Events will happen way too quickly afterwards. Bush is already guilty of many high crimes and threatening Iran is already a violation of international law, add to this that Bush is already a war criminal by any Nuremberg standard, and we already have one of the most impeachment deserving Presidents in our nation's history.
Biden's sabre-rattling and line drawing at this point is worthless. One needs to stand-up now to prevent this attack from happening, or be swept up in a lamentable and ugly course of human events that are wrong and utterly preventable.
Oh please, what a cheap stunt to boost his campaign. Bush is already impeachable.
I wish Joe was saying that in 2002 about Iraq. Unfortunately, the polls were telling him to bend over for Bush. Shame on this slimy politician.
No, they shouldn't be impeached, they should be charged-and there's no reason to wait another minute. Biden, you have blood on your hands for leaving these nuts in office.
Um, he has no constitutional authority now.
This is Biden's way of trying to get a few votes from the left...
Note to Joe:
Why in the hell are you not calling for Bush's impeachment NOW (or last week, month, year...) for the crimes and treasons he has already committed?
What I 'd like to see is previous comments formed into some decent debate questions and call Biden on the carpet and the rest of the enabling group (less Kucinich) who are not upholding the Constitution and their sworn duties
He said attack, not invade.
I think it's important to be clear on the difference ... he's for impeaching if there is any attack against Iran. That wouldn't even have to go as far as invasion.
Bush should of been impeached at least 3 years ago.
Biden stood behind those comments today, saying they were a warning to President Bush and that he has no constitutional authority to take us to war without congressional approval.
Complete bullshit. If Bush has no authority to go to war against Iran, then he had no authority to go to war against Iraq either. Biden is one war (at least) too late.
Come on Biden. Do we really have to wait until this clown gets froggy with his "bring it on attitude" to impeach him. If we wait there may be no country or congress left to impeach the bum. He's a proven loser and now the dems are waiting until he does the last part of his dirty deed in taking the country down before they are willing to impeach. He needs to be impeached today. which candidate is saying that now and has said it from the very beginning. Kuncinich. The way the media has discounted him, is he even a force any more.
I guess the first 862 reasons (including an illegal war) were not enough eh" Senator?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.....whatever Joe. Talk the talk, but can't walk the walk. If the republocrats had any intestinal fortitude, the WarPigs would have been history by now. There was more than enough reason to impeach Cheney and Bush long before now. It's too late in the game now. I hope I'm wrong and they do slap Articles of Impeachment upside their worthless heads, then maybe my faith the U.S. Government would be restored.
I don't want hollow promises of impeachment. the first candidate to actually begin the push for impeachment has my vote. i don't care how he/she stands on the rest of the issues. this is the first and foremost order of business. before this ship can right itself, these crooks have to pay.
The first thing they the congress hsould do is rescind immediattelly that goofy proclamation about Iran the one that Hillary signed up for. I hope someone would ask the question "Now that we seem to have strong proof that Iran is not engaged in andy nuclear weapons program would it not be appropriate to rescind that goofy delcalration of the congress agaisnt the government of Iran?"
So apparently it takes a second fraudulent invasion of a country to merit impeachment. One isn't enough.
Oooopsss Fuckwad Lieberman gets it wrong again!
http://lieberman.senate.gov/newsroom/release.cfm?id=281973
Repeal the Brownback-Kyl amendment and rescind permission for Bush to illegally invade Iran! NOW! Tell Hillary to sponser this new amendment and rehabilitate her honor!
Wheras it has been proven by REAL INTELLIGENCE ESTIMATES not blowhard nutjobbers who are allowed to run this country at this time we hereby rescind the idiotic and illegal Brownback-Kyl ammendmnet immediattly and instruct Mr Bush that if any military action is taken against Iran without specific and legal approval of the congress we will immediattley initiate Impeachment proceedings and remove him from office for High Crimes and Misdeameanors and ship him and his entire fukin family to the Hague!
Seems like Biden is playing hardball with his comments. Sorry for the pun. :)
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Could someone PLEASE! Inform the good(?) Senator that impeachment happens in the House of Representatives.
The Senate votes to convict or not.
This moronic wannabe pResident IS NOT a House Representative. If he wants to impeach, then he should go become a House Representative and stop being a Senator.
He should at least be questioning the other chamber of Congress, "Where is that impeachment for the Senate to try?"
What does he think Americans are, stupid and ignorant?
The fact that he plays it so should be cause for worry. This is a man who doesn't know which end of the costume he holds up. Oh dear, he's got the part with the donkey's tail. And he thinks he's leading?
LOL
F O O L!
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Mommy Nancy won't let it happen.
no long a proud american @ 74:
That would be Dennis Kucinich.
YOU CAN EVEN GOOGLE IT!
In fact, Kucinich is the ONLY one running for president that isn't afraid to be held to the same standards as the Constitution. All the others prefer to keep the status quo so that they too, can not be held accountable. See, if they let the president TORTURE, INITIATE WARS OF AGGRESSION, WIRETAP AMERICANS- WARRANTLESSLY, etc, then the ground is set to excuse it's continuation, "Because it was O.K. under Bush, it must be assumed that ANY continuation is acceptable.
JUST HOW IS CONGRESS SUPPORTING AND DEFENDING OUR CONSTITUTION OF THESE FIFTY UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WHEN THEY EXCUSE THE USURPATION AND WILLFULL VIOLATION OF THAT VERY DOCUMENT, IT'S LAWS AND PRINCIPLES THEY ARE BOUND TO THROUGH THEIR OATH OF OFFICE? AND WHEN DONE WITH MENTAL RESERVATION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION IT IS CALLED TREASON.
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Snowball @ 3:
Exactly, since Bush believes in preemptive strikes, Biden should believe in preemptive impeachment for both Dumbyass and Dick.
What about "Invade Iraq and you'll be impeached?"
I mean, I'm confused, if the methods and goals for invading Iran match those of the run-up and subsequent war with Iraq, what immunity does a one letter difference in the name of a given middle eastern country give?
curtilingus @ 1:
Can you imagine trying to impeach Bush for attacking Iran 7-10 days before he has to get out of office?!
Biden is a hypocrit
Why are we not giving more support to Biden and Dodd?
Hey dems, remind me again WHY THE FVCK ARE YOU STILL WAITING?!?!
IMPEACH NOW, their crimes are overflowing their ability to censor the media!
There's is blood in the water. Where are all the sharks?
MacDaKnife @ 86:
Because the silly media has decided they enjoy covering Hillary "neocon in a skirt" Clinton and Barack "secretary of hope" Obama.
The fact that Biden and Dodd aren't getting more attention says something less than positive about the democrats. Richardson too, to a lesser extent, I mean I get the feeling from Richardson that he really stopped trying a while back.
Personally I am a Edwards guy but in absence of him i would go Biden in a second... in fact now I just might go Biden anyway.
Go Biden -- but shouldn't that be impeaching *CHENEY?*
Or, as John Dean suggests, start with David Addington, Cheney's attorney and partner in grabbing power for *decades*.
There will be no impeachment. This president will serve the remainder of his term with his legacy in tow. The Congress cannot impeach because they are powerless.
Dennis K is the only way to go, all else is just the same ole BS.
Max-1 @ 80:
Biden is such a jackass.
He has played his cry wolf routine so many times in my lifetime, and every single time he backs down. In this case, he doesn't have the votes, so he is playing politics without any chance of success or reality to these claims.
smgumby @ 14:
You misspelled 'votes.' But it is the lack of votes for conviction in the Senate that are at issue, not the 30 votes shy in the House.
Biden and what army? He makes Bush stronger by making threats he can't back up.
Pericles @ 38:
Mmmm, salted martyrs! Bet you can't eat just one.
(I think you meant sainted, but salted martyrs is how my brain and crappy eyesight read it).
Reality_Check @ 91:
They are only 'powerless' if you are only talking about the loyal part of the Congress. The disloyal part of the Congress has still too much power.
The thing is a joke. Shows how much Biden is a clueless Senator with delusions of grandeur.
"...WHERE’S THE BEEF, SENATOR?" - yogi-one @ 50
I remember that commercial. "WHERE’S THE BEEF?!? WHERE’S THE BEEF?!?" Everybody was wondering, where's the beef? Then the commercials stopped...suddenly. That because they found the beef. It ends up that it was right where it was suppossed to be: between Wendy's buns.
Biden must think that Americans are profoundly stupid. Mostly, his pontificating comes across as cynical posturing. There is not only enough evidence to have impeached Bush a long time ago, there is sufficient evidence to place him in prison for the rest of his natural life.
Biden, along with Prlosi, Reid, Hoyer and company, are part of the problem, not part of any solutions.
Bush will never be impeached, he could do anything and he won't be touched, he already has and the government and people stand by and take it.
Impeachment does, in fact, begin in the house. In the house, it takes a simple majority to succeed. After a successful impeachment in the house (50%+1), the case is then sent to the Senate for conviction/removal. In the Senate, the benchmark is higher -- a 2/3 majority is needed for conviction/removal from office.
While it is possible that Biden may be talking out of his a$$, I doubt it. It is more than likely that he knows the process well enough. I suspect Biden believes that 50%+1 in the house can be counted on to impeach Bush, should he invade Iran.
Now the interesting part is that 'attack' is not the same as 'invade'.
Max-1 @ 80:
No, you are the fool for not watching the video before making this comment. In the video, Biden specifically notes that 'Obviously' it must start in the House, but that he would 'lead' an effort to impeach Bush.
If you did watch the video, then you obviously have a comprehension problem.
Come on, people, relax! Lets not get too excited here. The smarter ones here know that when Joe says he'll "impeach", well, that's just a figure of speech.
Odd that Clinton WAS impeached for a consenting blow-job, (i know, the right-wingers say it was because he LIED about it...)... puh-leese...
but Bush just MIGHT be impeaced, MAYBE impeached, if he invades a bunch of countries, which turn out the be the WRONG countries to invade... again.
VietVet8666 @ 16:
A shrub would be a better president than shrub.
VietVet8666 @ 16:
So would a typical dumbass off the street.
Oh look, a democrat threatening to do something.
Screw Biden, his threats are empty as the dems could impeach right now if they grew a pair.
1 party, 2 branches.
See, I just don't think at this stage Bush will actually go through with bombing Iran. This is more of Dick Cheney's crazed desire than Bush's, and Cheney does not have an act as a multilateral world leader to maintain. With Bush's administration in ruins, he needs to focus more attention to pretending as if he cared about other parts of the world besides Iraq at least for a year. Ballsy cowboy missions in Iran will surely be stalled in contrast with 2003. The only way I see things in Iran jumping onto a bullet train is if a convenient horrific disaster affecting intimate American interests happens again in the very near future (which I'm not totally doubtful of), enabling a scapegoat to easily become exploitable.
Iraq was a managable charade which is why the U.S. pursued it. There may have been those who wanted us to be tougher on, say, N. Korea, but we weren't, knowing the consequences of agenda-driven incompetance there. I suspect that once we identify that there is a serious mess that could affect financial entanglements, the picture changes.
As such, so it does for the Democrats. Easy for Joe Biden to make such a threat when it's fairly clear that Bush will likely not stage a sudden and dramatic coup on the level of 2003's Iraq invasion in Iran. We already have enough on the guy to get him impeached; which makes this seem more like a "safe side" bid to emphasize that the Democrats would *never* impeach unless it was something as bad as invading Iran without Congress approval, since uncertain pre-emptive warfare has become something of a sore spot with the mainstream population. Any of the lesser problems in the WH which basic process can prove as impeachable, but are hard to sell as sexy... and you won't hear a thing.
Now is the time to use bush's tactics against him.
His handlers decided that Iraq didn't need to be an imminent threat before we attacked. That was already taking things too far.
The same needs to apply to bush.
He shouldn't need to attack Iran to be impeached. Him saying the word, "Iran" should be taking things too far.
Impeach this prick yesterday. I've seen the evidence. It's a slam dunk.
King of Mean @ 103:
This was the point of the desperate impeachment lynch of 1998. Actually, though the Republicans lost everything else to their nationally bemused impeachment adventure, they won one thing most people may not realize: they managed to degrade the importance of the impeachment process.
We live in a new generation where impeachment is a partisan issue. In so many words, a waste of time, as if we "got it down" as a country and are in no danger of being led by a deceitful and exploitive leader. The Clinton impeachment permanently stained the process of impeachment with cynicism.
So difficulty in rallying reliable support for implementing it when there's a dire need for it to be done is the collateral this whole 7-year disaster was built upon. They took Clinton down enough that a Republican could actually stand a chance against him in 2000. But in the event of inevitable failure (because there's only so much neglect in government with overbearing demands in return people will stand before they think their system isn't working)... people will be easily divided over the question of impeachment because of the utter circus the Republicans made out of it so many years ago. Making it easier to walk away with stolen blood and stolen cash to write a column for Newsweek on retirement, forever remaining only "arguably" evil.
I think Biden might end up being the next president. Everyone knows that Hillary and Obama are minorities, and there are a lot of people who just will not vote for a black person or a woman, and I know plenty of women who would not vote for a woman either. Now, add to that the fact that apparently nobody much likes Hillary Clinton. I haven't met many Democrats who like her, personally. I don't actually like Obama, much, either, the way he is so studied in his oratory. You can hear MLK inflections, and a rudimentary Southern accent sometimes when he speaks. I don't think there's any way he has a genuine southern accent. He strikes me as another really smart, really slick guy, with really huge ears that make him look like a kid. Biden, however, makes dumb goofs every now and then about Indians or whatever, but after Bush, who would notice a few dumb comments. At least his dumb comments are sincere. I think Obama and Hillary are too studied, too much chess players, to make an honestly dumb comment. Biden is a white-haired old white guy, and that will look presidential to many. Plus, he's a rock-solid Democrat, and not a pacifist, so a lot of crossovers who don't want us to lose face in Iraq might feel more comfortable with him. Plus, he's got the guts to talk impeachment, and for some reason, people take him more seriously when he says impeachment than Kucinich, perhaps because he has never seen a UFO. Where's Biden's wife, though? He's got to have one. Has anybody ever seen her? Anyway, I like Biden's chances at beating the Repugs better than both Hillary and Obama.
Heretic @ 110:
If you are just catching up with Biden, you might think that.
He doesn't play. Clinton has about ten times as much chance of being President.
Andre Lombard @ 107:
Bush does love to screw things up for other people. He could bomb Iran with no plans for invasion, just before he leaves office.
Then Hillary could be sworn in with a brand new war that has no missions or objectives.
As oil prices go through the roof, the Bush's Bin Ladens and House of Saud could have a big party, and roll around under a big money spigot together.
And why wouldn't Bush's friends hit us again. The 9/11 hijackers were financed by the Bin Laden family. And they made huge sums of money on rising oil prices in the aftermath. They made so much money that they were able to buy CitiCorp. Heck, everytime I pay my TXU electric bill, I'm putting money in the pockets of the people who financed 9/11 and still finance the schools that the insurgents going to Iraq come from.
Joe, Joe, JOE!!!!
Take the lead from Bush and do a pre-emptive strike. Why wait until he bombs another country, a bombing that could possibly set off world war 3.
I mean Jesus Christ... what good is impeachment once the China decides to nuke us for messing with their oil
Also, the saddest thing about the Democrats' excessive timidity in pursuing impeachment (which is kind of too little, too late by now)...
The Republicans got away with their impeachment adventure primarily on the basis of loose judicial fact strung to a very powerful imagery-based message to the American heartland. Democrats conventionally take second place all the time because their positions are strengthened by data, forensics, etc. Boring things.
This is a time where the Republicans are not above perception of being less than they sell themselves to be. The Democrats could go wild with "warm and fuzzy" messages speaking to the scared military families, the scared business and middle class sector, and every strong minority under the sun. Yet they don't. Honestly, with a powerful message about how much worse off everybody is with solid tie-ins to the policies of this President, and the already strong impeachment faction could grow insanely.
Andre Lombard @ 114:
The Democrats are afraid to call a criminal, a criminal. They feel it will put them on the same playing field as the Republicans.
Rather than call Bush a crook, they'll designate him as 'Constitutionally Challenged' and give him extra points for effort.
This is now known as taking the moral high ground.
the Republicans have been making fun of the Democrats for decades as being soft on crime, and it turns out that they weren't only correct, but they knew for certain that they could exploit this weakness.
Weaseldog @ 115:
I definitely feel we could use some Dixie Chicks Democrats... Proven power-clingers who saw nothing wrong with their position, began ignoring the predictable noise they received instead of letting it worry them, and stood by their position and got people to see things their way.
Ummmm, Joe, let me see if I've got this right. You're saying that if Bush bypasses Congress and invades a country, you'll impeach him?
Didn't he already do that?
You might say that Congress authorized Bush's invasion of Iraq. But you'd be wrong. Congress authorized the use of force contingent on several conditions -- which Bush violated when he called for inspectors to leave Iraq and invaded Iraq without UN authorization.
What are you waiting for?
'Invade Iran and you will be impeached'.
Why is invading Iran worse than everything else Bush has done? He's ripped apart this country. He's used the constitution and the bill of rights to wipe his ass. America now, more than ever, can't be trusted.
I think that Biden needs to rephrase that bold statement: "Invade Iran and we will thrown a little tantrum on the floor in the cloak room and then all hold our breath until we pass out."
Calls for impeachment are fine with me, but they have no bearing on my vote in next year's election. "Most vocally anti-Bush" is not a qualification for president.
for God's sake, if the offenses have already been committed, doesn't American Law require we go ahead and prosecute? I'm a "moderate" Democrat and a strong advocate for impeachment.
Tim in Japan @ 108:
You mean take him off the streets, fly him to a secret prison camp, & water board him until he confesses that he killed Kennedy?
I'm all for impeachment, or even better, criminal trials. However, it seems that a lot of this is backtracking and blame spreading by the Democrats. They didn't lift a finger to stop the invasion when they could. They gave Bush the green light, dependent on Bush coming back to them with good reasons (that's how the authorization was written). When Bush did come back, he simply restated the reasons that he used in asking for authorization. He did not put forward any evidence. The Dems may have lost the vote at that time, but they didn't raise a stink. Aside from Kucinich talking impeachment, i get the feeling that a lot of this is an attempt to convince Americans that the Democratic Party is anti-war...a profoundly absurd and false statement.
Besides all that, starting the process to remove a lame duck President after the invasion has begun won't rewind the invasion (or the bombing campaign, because that's what we're talking about), so what's the point?
Why Fucking Wait?
YOU KNOW WHAT IS REALLY REALLY REALLY GOOD ABOUT PRESIDENT BUSH?
YEAH... EXACTLY
Once again someone attempting to take credit for something Dennis Kucinich has been advocating since April 2007! And the press once again acting complicit in this bullshit!
Jesus Fucking Christ! There is just no justice!!
Kucinich '08!
Distract, distort and deny. They play polictics like a game, except we already know how the next act will be played out.
Go Joe go. I would vote for him in a minute!
Bombs already fell on Iraq for not the stated reasons. Why don't you impeach for that Joe?! Are the Iranians better than the Iraqis?
THe criminal Bush is just that - a criminal. Even more dispicable is an oversight body that enables crooks like Bush. Hey Webb, I thought you were going to do something if you got elected. The people demand impeacjment and war crimes trials.
Since when do you vote, especially in a primary, for someone that you believe you know can win whether or not they are good for America or your beliefs. If you say you believe that what's good and right for America are the rule of law and ethics, morals, and values then who other than Kucinich is there? Your chance to walk the walk to match your talk is to vote Kucinich. Or is it just empty rhetoric?
Chris Mathews is impressed that someone knows the Constitution!!!
Go Joe Go!
Bush should have been impeached a LONG time ago. If he does invade Iran then he'll do it just before leaving, then leave it up to someone like Ron Paul to clean up the mess.
-Diana Moneymaker.
How about some of you paying attention to what Biden actually said. He said that he would call for impeachment. Get it? He would ask for those who can actually impeach a president , the US Congress, to impeach the President.. Biden is a US Senator, and has no actual powers to start impeachment proceedings. Much ado about nothing.
Biden talks a good game. Unfortunately he's just another Democratic blowhard who always folds his tent and gives Bush what he wants when the chips are down.
Call John Conyer's office to tell him NOW would be THE TIME to bring Dennis Kucinich's impeachment resolution against Dick Cheney up for a vote!
(202)225-5126
The Bush Administration deserves to be IMPEACHED NOW!!!!!
Uhmm, you do not need congressional approval to go to war. Its good to ask, but its no where that says he HAS to. http://hnn.us/articles/977.html and yes Bush did ask Congress, and they approved with a majority.
Impeach them BOTH. Two for one.
If we are at war, Bush stays in office and the government (currently GOP) can cancel all future elections until which war is no longer a threat. It has always been a law and makes complete sense. It has been re-inforced by Bush's government and is being abused. However, going to war to stay in office doesn't seem legal or moral. By simply following the law, impeachment is possible as it is abuse of power, which isn't constitutional. Here is the government link to the document giving our President dictator powers in time of war. It was posted this past May and wasn't talked about much on the TV. We need to learn the laws and facts from other places than news stations. They are biased by sponsors and government controlled!!!
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html
Support American freedom!!
Biden is being irresponsible. Since the president would not be convicted there is therefore absolutely no reason to impeach and Biden's constitutional duty is to support his party and build the caucus, not to waste time on a "stunt" like impeachment.
I think we ought to thank Mike Gravel for this conversation and this turn of thinking. He was one of the Senators, along with Fulbright and others mentioned, who took the US Constitution seriously.
Biden is running for President and he sees the writing on the wall.
So, where's everyone's heroine, Hillary? (sitting Senator)
Obama (sitting Senator?)
Enough said about the current leadership.
Joe Biden has been positioning to be Hillary's VP through the entire campaign, he has lied to every one of his donors, he has no real intention of being the President. in the early debates, he supported and praised Hillary instead of stating his own views, now he is being the radical one so as to have a Liberal stance to try to pull in the true Dems. This works to placate the Dems while Hillary gets votes from the Center and from the Right. No real Left Wing Candidate would sub serve to Hillary this early. so they are basically using a Flanking tactic, to increase the Hillary support. What we need to realize, is that Joe is working directly for Hillary and Hillary is working for the Corporatist, that currently are controlling this country. While Kucinich, Gravel, and Ron Paul, are the only Candidates that would correct the damage done by the Bush and Clinton families, Gore is the only one who could. We have abdicated our right to vote by digitizing the voting process, and by allowing the News media to turn their Journalistic duties, into a Profit media. now we are told what our opinion should be. We have forgotten about our Civic Duties to Protect this country from all enemies foreign and domestic. this government (Legislative and Judicial Branches included) have noting to fear from us, we would not really do anything, we demand nothing, and while they are all public servants, they have all of the power. We give it to them when we do nothing. Impeachment is not something that can ever be taken off of the table, it is the most important factor in the Legislative checks and balances. Pelosi should be removed from office for even uttering those words. Joe Biden knows that Impeachment will not happen regardless of what Bush does, so he is free to mouth off without ever having to back up his claims. in the mean time we are made to feel as if some good is being done because someone is talking about it.
Gee, thanks for threatening to close the barn door AFTER the horse escapes.
What a useless blowhard Biden is.
It'll be "Invade Iran and get shallow empty threats backed by a weak spine" in the future.
For the love of God, Biden did not tell Bush that he would be impeached, as the headline on this thread claims. He said that he would call for Bush to be impeached. As a US Senator, Biden can not even start impeachment hearings. That role is assigned to the members of the house, not the senate. Please stop distorting what Biden actually said.
What an idiot.
lol How in the world, can Bush alone, invade Iran? How about this. Biden, if you approve a war with Iran, then YOU will be impeached. (sigh....)
Truth Be Told @ 20:
put your tinfoil hat away
Bush needs a sex scandal to clear all of this up.
Oh Joe.. That sounds so roo-man-tic... Don't kiss me unless you mean it bud! Or are you just another little cocktease!!!!!?? JD
BeezleBush is Satan. Ohmygod I said it! I hope I live through the day. Fodder for all the southern, brain-scorched Baptists out there. His name is BeezleBush!
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