The O'Reilly Fetish: Falafel Boy Hearts Torture
By Nicole Belle Friday Dec 07, 2007 7:19pm
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Some days, it literally gives me a migraine to have to watch Bill O'Reilly. This is one of those days...
On the heels of his ridiculous Talking Points Memo where he accuses the "hate America" crowd of rejoicing in the news of the destroyed CIA torture tapes--a statement that just reeks of the dumbing down of the electorate, Billo brings on GW Law professor Jonathan Turley to discuss the lawlessness of the tapes. Billo sees this as an opportunity to talk about how wimpy the left is and how accommodating they are to those scary terrorists. When Turley objects to us becoming those we're allegedly fighting by adopting their tactics.
But big, bad, macho Billo will have none of that...watch him carefully, he's actually getting visibly excited at the thought of torturing, something I don't think I could be as silent about as Turley is.
You know, Bill, if you had a shred of intellectual honesty, I'd say you'd make a perfect candidate for your "Pinheads & Patriots" segment. And for what it's worth, being for torture is NOT a patriotic stance.
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I had a dream last night that I tortured Billo. It took only two turns of the thumb screws and he spilled his guts admitting that he knows everything he says on his show is BS. Tonight I'm going to dream about Tucker Carlson.
Mackris!
It's amazing that people still take this guy seriously. Even more amazing is the twisted logic people use to back torture. I cannot grasp how one human being can be so supportive of the intentional dehumanizing of another human being.
Let's see how much O'Reilly likes it when his nuts are hooked up to electrodes, his head is dunked in a tub of water nearly to the point of drowning, and he is deprived of his senses in pitch-dark, sound-proof rooms.
What a patriot. Our founding fathers would be so proud.
I love how at the end of the show Bill talks about how his program is all about making distinctions and dividing people. Yep, that's just what we need more of these days...
I have no idea what this article is about. Sorry, I'm not going to watch the video either as I've stopped listening to that idiot, BillO', a loooooong time ago. He is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.
"watch him carefully, he’s actually getting visibly excited at the thought of torturing..."
or maybe he's wet dreaming about andrea again, eh?
If he thinks that any sane person wants to be on his team, he is sadly mistaking.
Bill, yes, you're gonna get information when you torture. A bunch of bullshit information, that is. Whenever we actually find out the details about these terror suspect interrogations, we always find out that most of the good information we have gotten was done without torture.
Why did I just watch that? I think I just got dumber
Lost me at "visibly excited".
But I will download it and save it in case I ever need some ipecac.
I didn't see the part where Billo got "visibly excited at the thought of torturing" could someone tell me the time when that happens?
It's a shame that a majority of people who rise to fame and power, who obtain positions of influence, are usually mentally insane. The sane ones are usually killed, so they're scared to even try. Bill O'Rielly is defining "America" by the embarassing standards produced by FreeMasonry and Corporations. It seems that very few people who hold power have any knowledge or at least respect for what our founding Fathers intended the country to be in the first place. Shame on all of them and God protect them from the bad karma they have created for themselves. They're all going to be in a whole lot of trouble come judgement day. No matter how much they punish and villify the righteous, they know this is true. Their fates are sealed, and the good must suffer here on Earth while they prevail.
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During the interview, the skin cells that fell from Jonathan Turley's body contained more honesty, knowledge and journalistic integrity than all of the cells that The Big BO's body has created over his entire lifetime.
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Maybe it's time to ignore O'Really. He thrives on attention. Take it away and he becomes nothing more than a moron sitting on a bar stool in a Southie tavern drinking long neck beers and looking for a fight.
McDuff @ 5:
I can't watch this blowhard either. If I want entertainment, there's plenty of options. If I want news -- well there are some options.
Man, has it really been 26 years........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPFbZvk-8NM
freejack @ 16:
27 years
Gawd bit Bill is an ass!
It is a shame that stupidity and ignorance is not painful.
Billo boy would be screaming like a pig in a slaughterhouse.
Memo to Professor Turley; Sir, you wasted your time being on the olielly factor. falafelboy's mind, if he ever had one, has been rotted by all the bullshit he's been spewing for years. You and he will NEVER see eye to eye and I hope you are thanking God for that!!
Bill, you friggin' ignorant pompous ass...the reason Prof. Turley can't answer the question re: what methods he would use for inteoigation is, he's NOT an interogator...the's a lawman and anything in that realm he can answer WITH KNOWLEDGE. He's not like you dipstick...he doesn't profess to know everything about ALL.
As an interviewer, O'Reilly is weak at that. Proper discourse is, a question is asked and an answer is given....in it's entirety. You don't get to jump in and interupt every time you feel the answer doesn't conciliate you.
My this man is another example of someone who is so integral to providing the proper resources of correct knowledge, ignoring this professional thought and trying to convince the American public that they should beleive him.
In everyday life, we are fired for doing such a poor, unprofessional and effective job. He gets a raise because of the sensationalism.
SAmerica....you're so Beautiful!
I see that this was properly keyword-coded as Torture as it should be.
Just reading anything at all about Bill-O IS torture.
razanT @ 21:
Looking at my honest error, maybe we have a new name......
The United States Of SHAMERICA
Rufus @ 1:
Man! You got one tough constitution! Do you sleep alone?
CD @ 11:
I'm not sure where that part was either. Maybe he'll have that body language expert on next week and she'll find it.
Let the facts/evidence speak for themselves. For those of you who have not yet
seen the "Special Comments" given by Keith O. last night on MSNBC, it has been
downloaded to YouTube and is available at: www.truthout.org
Well worth viewing...only question I have is: "I wonder how much longer K.O.
will be permitted to air his views on MSNBC ?"
When is this nasty, bloviating blowhard going to get his pink slip?!? Yesterday is not soon enough!
"You are willing to watch innocent people die for a principle, that's what you are willing to do. I'm not willing to do that, I'm going to save the life."
Revolutionary soldiers died for a principle: equality of men and natural rights.
You support Operation Iraqi Freedom, a war for a principle (supposedly) in which innocents die in large numbers daily. For you, these principles are apparently worth the lives lost. However, the same principles with Americans as innocents are not. Why?
Is it because you believe innocent Iraqi lives are worth less than Americans? Or do you not believe in these principles?
Bill, your logic fails.
Sincerely,
A college student with headphones on, fearing the day I have to graduate and join the American "world".
brian @ 9:
thanks... i wasn't sure if it was imperative to watch...
now i know that i can pass...
whew.
It's a little known fact that a Loofah is a torture device. Unfortunately this explains far more than I ever wanted to understand.
Grandma had a word to describe people like O'Reilly. She used to call the schmucks.
Coincidentally, I watched that particular O'Reilly show almost in its entirety, a first for me. I'm so glad Turley and B'low's later guest, Lori Lipman-somebody, a representative of organized Secularists, got the message: don't fall for B'low's baiting tactics and the blatantly, rather clumsy way he loads his questions. He kept saying to the secularist gal that he didn't have a problem with her not having a problem if Romney had only said "most Americans" rather than "all Americans" believe that religion=freedom. His problem was that he couldn't stand their (the secularists) whining about being left out of Romney's good American equation. And B'low was WHIIIIINING like a little girl whose bubble gum got caught in her pigtail. WHEEEEEEEEE, WHEEEEEEE, WHAAAAA....just like that!
But big, bad, macho Billo will have none of that…watch him carefully, he’s actually getting visibly excited at the thought of torturing, something I don’t think I could be as silent about as Turley is.
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I've said this before and will say it again here...there are more than a few soi-disant "good Christians" and "true-blue Americans" out there who are in massive denial about their own predisposition for control, schadenfreude or outright sadism which has a way of coming out and making itself heard loud and clear during discussions like these. In much the same way that O'Reilly seems to actually get some twisted little thrill out of the prospect of torturing someone, some self-professed "good Christians" seem to dwell altogether too fervently on the prospect of their fellow human beings being damned to Hell for eternity for it to be purely the result of the altruistic desire to save those people's souls.
I find what this idiot said at the begining scary: There's a civil war in this country over the war on terror.
I wonder where that comes from? When is discussion, whether civil or uncivil, between opposing points of views a war?
I think O'Rielly's speech is dangerous if he is saying we're at war. That idiotic due over at 1600 uses the slimmest of reasons to justify there acts.
If there really was a loving, just god, the Bush/Cheney team would have been smote awhile back.
The CIA chiefs understand that a day of reckoning is ahead. That's why they are destroying evidence. Poor Bill O doesn't get it. He is an enabler and still defending torture. That makes him complicit. To the Hague with this fascist! Let him (try to)defend himself in front of an international court, rather than in front of the FOX News crowd (most of whom should join him in prison).
Whatever you want to call it, torture is proven not to work. So what possible motivation could anyone have to engage in it?
And, yes, important principals are worth loss of life...
Imagine having the 'Feces-in-a-Cup' concession for O'Reilly's studio audience.
Fortune 500, here you come.
the only people making america look bad is the bush co. band of criminals. but in true repube form, attack the messenger and forget the facts.
Neither of them mentioned what Zubyadah said. Or how they actually got it out of him. Initially Zub was a stone. So we sent him to some "Saudis" (our guys) under the threat that the "Saudis" would torture Zub. Zub then tells the "Saudis" "call this number, this Saudi prince will take care of me. Praise allah you rescued me from the Americans!" Zub fingered the guys who financed 9/11. And ... all the guys he fingered died rapidly. Still waiting on that 9/11 commission to say something about it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gerald-posner/the-cias-destroyed-inter_b_7...
I wonder if we've sunk to the point of making renditioned prisoners watch reruns of O'Reilly's shows?
And what the Red Cross and Human Rights would say about that.
Turley could have pointed to how we actually did it, which was with threat of Saudi torture and a shit ton of sodium pentathol cut with sleeping pills.
Prof. Turley is to be commended for being able to sit through the ignorant tirade from Billo. O'reilly who claims to have been a teacher apparently didn't study our Constitution while he was in school or college. If you notice to cover his ignorance his usual tacts is to stammer, bluster or turn off the mic on his guest. Good work Professor Johnathan Turley for standing of for the rule of law.
you're right, he gives me a headache also.
more and more i'm thinking that it wasn't just to hide the torture...
it was to hide the names and purposes of criminals aka bushco...
this is a very dirty deal... the whole lot of them... very dirty...
Frank Dufek @ 12:
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bad karma bad schmarma, i get hit with karma the same day for not letting someone into traffic and gwb2 goes whistling by after murdering innocents.
i don't know nothin no more.
McDuff @ 5:
My definition of torture:subjecting myself to Bill's ridiculous chest thumping Polk Award Winning fake indignation.
I'd rather stick a darning needle in my head.
Ryan @ 28:
A lot more innocent people die in this country every year from lack of health care and improper health care than from terrorists, and there is no torture that will keep that from happening, except the "torture" to Big Pharma and Big Insurance when they lose their profits if we get universal health care in America.
O'Reilly, just try to keep your mouth shut and maybe nobody will guess how much of a fool you really are.
Good for Turley showing up on Fox Noise. Maybe some viewers will get a clue.
O'Reilly, Al Franken, the soon-to-be US Senator from Minnesota, thinks you should do something about your blotchey face.
And your spotty drawers.
Preacher Boob @ 48:
LOL! too much.
O'Rielly vrs. Turley....oh my......Super brain Turley vrs. ground beef.
Yea right, Heres Turley
HELL
Heres O'Reilly
I suppose if nothing comes from waterboarding then Billo's position would "At least an effort was made to find facts" even if there was no facts to find..
I am on team Turlely.
Who the hell are these people who watch this jackass?
I really can't stand Billo or the ilk who believe his bs.
When someone dies you need closure. I'm sure most people understand this. The problems this admin has caused with their torturing and destroying evidence is there will NEVER be closure. There are no real trials and all "confessions" are suspect.
Loony O'Reilly:
Not quite, Billo. Nearly every day is another story that makes Bushco and sycophants like you look bad. The reality-based community wants to get him out of office ASAP so that his "dumb" does not rub off on the rest of us.
The Shrub is not America, Billo. Nobody in America is anti-America. They are anti-wingnut, anti-incompetence and anti-dumbshit. Get over this fact.
all these cons think Arabs are subhuman so it's okay to violate their human rights
O'Reilly is a disgraceful human being. He should have been marginalized but the leadership at Fox News who are themselves disgraceful decided to give him a national audience.
I do not know how you can watch even a clip of this noxious man. He absolutely disgusts me. I cannot watch him without becoming physically ill.
Thank you for the written summary/transcript and bearing the pain for me.
The greatest torture of all would be for BO reading from his book while you are in restraint. Please just kill me.
TimeForNewLeadership @ 57:
That sums up nicely the whole insanity of this vile pundit over the past few years. Well said.
Prepare to have your mind blown about 'who else' hearts torture:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/8/202552/338
Our very own arrogant Leader who sniffs down her nose at us lowly Advocates.
Are you willing to die for your principle?
Isn't that what a US soldier sworn to do? and "Give me liberty or give me death"
I think not only that it define who Americans should be, but historically was.
Bill'O is so twisted on his logic, but it's nice that he made a clear stance on loving torture. I love how equates listening to the neighbor's loud music with water boarding. You can define anything uncomfortable as torture. I would then have to declare listening to Bill'O BS as torture.
paranoia@60, read the link just above you.
correction paranoia@62
"Some days, it literally gives me a migraine to have to watch Bill O’Reilly"
Why the fuck do you have to watch O'reilly?
Take paul Anka's advice:
just dont look...
Bilo does not live in the real world of Gray's, everything is black or white to him. I'll bet he doesn't know that "water-boarding" is a table that's used to do water torture and that when you are water-boarded your lungs are filled with water and you DIE! Hopefully you are brought back to life, but it's hard to say how many people have died in our custody. We know one thing for sure, billo is a fucking idiot who is hellbent on ruining this country.
crazytown @ 61:
Why am I not surprised...
Unfortunately, not looking is what caused a lot of our current problems in the US.
The argument against torture is very strong, and I don't understand why this professor is unable to elucidate such a simple concept. If terrorists took our citizens and water-boarded them, or tortured them using other forms of physical violence -- we'd consider that barbaric. That means if we do the same thing, it is still barbaric.
"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you."
-Friedrich Nietzsche
O Reilly is a fucking retard. I can't believe I just watched that - That Turley would even go on his show is beyond me.
Defer to Snoop Dog on this one.
Same old aging bor. He defies death. How one grumpy, hate filled, angry old fart can continue to blow steam out his ears and shoot fire out of his mouth without raising his blood pressure to lethal limits is amazing. One day he will pop a artery going to his narrow minded brain and all will end.
He really looked the fool..that he is...in this interview. He just doesn't get it. He's so full of mustard and bullshit that he doesn't quite understand that stooping to the level of the enemy at their lowest, does not make us better. It makes us WORSE. He assumes that he's going to get information that is going to save lives. That's utter bullshit as well.
I'd really like to see a connection between what information we gathered from those we've tortured, and how it stacks up against intelligent interrogation methods. I'm willing to bet, again, that there is little to no difference. That being said, we've just become the devil to no advantage.
Nice job bor. Keep pumping up your chest and bloviating to your sheep. They think you are a hero..but then, those are the same stupid morons that think there WERE WMD's in Iraq, Iraq was responsible for 9/11, if we don't kill them there...they'll swim the Atlantic and follow us home, we are "taking it to the terrorists" and wiping them out. These people are dumber than turtle shit on a stick. Moron talking to the morons.
Eyuuuh.
Nicole,
You watched that so that I didn't have to. Thank you for jumping on that grenade.
Billo. Eyuuuuuhhhh....
disco inferno @ 69:
I respectfully disagree. I had actually fantasized about this. I had seen Prof. Turley many times on Keith O's program and loved his calm ,rational disposition. I've seen all types of really good people debate with Monster Bill O. on his show.
I wanted to know how Turley would handle himself if he went on Bill's show. I was thrilled when I saw this on C&L.
He has such a calm center and such excellent communication skills. He demostrated how to debate with a right-wing whacko. Just don't become whacko yourself. Not even slightly. If you yell back at the whacko -the whacko goes further into whackoism. In the end -observers will say - I wish the quiet guy was allowed to speak more. I felt like he really had wisdom, but wasn't given a fair chance to speak. I wanted to find out more about what he knows. Probably many FOX viewers had that thought.
As the president of a large company - I am thankful to Turley for showing me how to deal with the small percentage of my employees who occasionally become irrational. I'll now watch the Bill O/Prof. Turley video for the 3rd time. (^_^;)
Heeeere's Alberto Gonzales and the Abu Ghraib Dancing Elves:
http://www.elfyourself.com/?id=1253467185
Has anyone at faux news stoppped to consider what might happen to our soldiers in later years? While terrorists are not bound by the Geneva conventions, other countries still are. Or at least they were, until we decided to allow "enhanced" interrogations. We are allowing an incredibly dangerous precendent by endorsing such practices, one that will in all likelihood will come back to bite us on the ass. And when such practices are done on our soldiers, no doubt Bill''O(or the next moronic equivalent) will be saying how evil our enemy is.
It has become accepted truth that KSM talked after being waterboarded. What evidence do we have of that? Maybe someone was ...gasp...lying. When they try to justify WB'ing they almost always bring up KSM. I smell a rat. No video of that interrogation no doubt.
I think Turley made the point, exactly. We do not want to become those we claim to be against. It is not a slippery slope, it is clear cut, billo just can't see it, and he never will. In his mind (and others like him) anything they do in the name of saving American lives, or defeating terrorists is justified. Well Bill, why don't you invite someone from Germany, who lived through the rise of Hitler, on your show. Ask them how the ends justify the means, I have. They will tell you that the German people did not wake up one day and say to themselves; "Hey, today I think we ought to eradicate an entire race of people." No, it's much more insidious than that. It starts with a gradual wearing away of civil rights, and that tiny trade off of security for freedom. Slowly but surely you begin to think, One persons rights being taken away isn’t so bad, We aren’t getting the information we want from sleep depravation and loud music then we’ll turn it up a notch and use waterboarding, and if we can condone waterboarding then where does it stop? Thumbscrews? The Rack?
We must, as a society, take the high road, we must not let these people like O’reilly and his ilk take us down the path to “Quick justice”, and “By any means necessary”, for it spells the end, the True end of us as a people and a nation.
We ask our military servicemen and women to protect us, and possibly, lay down their lives for the greater good of our country in the performance of that service, would we as civilians do any less. That seems pretty cowardly to me.
What greater good are you, Heir O’reilly, willing to lay down your life for? Isn’t America worth it? Or don’t you know what it means to BE an American?
Ah......In Billo's world he is all about war. War on terror, culture, christmas and now civil war in America.
Happy Holidays Billo..........you freaking moron.
Don @ 73:
Right, that's what made it worth watching. And the Secularist rep afterwards stayed calm and rational. He did talk over her relentlessly and she just waited for him to take a breath. She had to point out to him about 3 times that the Declaration of Independence is not the law of the land, The Constitution is. Up until then, I don't think that was clear to him.
Would it be illegal to drag that cowardly wuss BillO out of his house and waterboard him in his front yard? Bet he'd sing a different tune after that--if he survived.
Many Americans have sacrificed their lives in Iraq. Roughly 4,000 have died, 10,000 plus severely wounded, countless others are coming home with PTSD, military families have suffered, etc., etc. O'Reilly has no problem with these sacrifices even though HE KNOWS as we all know the LIES that are at the foundation of the rationale for going into Iraq in the first place. Yet, when it comes to sacrificing intelligence that would POSSIBLY save American lives here, intelligence gained through torture, he is against it. When it comes to sacrificing intelligence gained through illegal wiretapping because we want to preserve our Constitution, when it comes to sacrificing the vice president and chief political advisor because they were treasonous and outed a CIA agent, O'Reilly will have none of it. O'Reilly is a lame brain. But, you have to hand it to the Republicans: They are company men, they stand by each other through thick and thin, right and wrong. No matter how heinous their Republican breathren may be they do not break ranks. This is their greatest strength in the short run and yet will ultimately be their greatest weakness. Unfortunately, they have dragged all of us down with them, none more than America's Finest, our troops.
Ryan @ 28:
Then don't join!! Who said you have to? It's overrated. Who cares what others think: do your own thing. You might enjoy this slim volume: "Freedom From the Known", by Krishnamurti. Changed my world.
The reason the tapes are gone is that the collective lapse in judgement is becoming all too obvious. It is getting harder and harder to deny that there is something really sinister about these creeps.
do you realze that people from other countries can pick up Billo and they might think we are all like him, Thats scary no wonder the rest of the world thinks were retarded!!!! Its because we are, we have morons who think Billo is telling the truth, Show me a Fox news guy and I will show you a frickin Liar, The rest of the world knows that, Have to go now and get ready for my Satanistic ritual that all of us liberals do daily
Bill B. @ 3:
This is a guy who thinks Tazing people for exercising their freedom of speech is funny, so it's no surprise he's got a woody for torture.
Don't waterboard me bro!
Turley vs o"Jackass.
Really, if you want someone on O'Jackass's level, he would be debating C**tler or something.
Rufus @ 1:
Sorry, those aren't dreams they are NIGHTMARES.
If I ever thought that I would dream about either one of those *>#@$?":{s, I wouldn't even think of going to bed.
O'Reilly was an unpatriotic draft-dodger who hid out in England rather than serve in the military. Why is he now given a platform from which he can pretend to support the US military?
All Turley had to do was just say, " Yup, guys REPUBLICAN veteran & torture victim JOHN McCAIN agree with me and UMPTEEN patriotic Generals"
Your move Billo...
After Billo vomits again, Turley just rinses and repeats...." Conservative McCain says you're a psycho Billo....NEXT "
Why didn't Turley just hammer him with McCain & Generals over & over & over again....to expose Oreilly as a fascist that even GOPers are ashamed of him ?????
As I've said before, if somebody supports Water Boarding or any other form of torture and think they can prove it is effective, they should put their money where their mouth is.
Step 1. Take one pro-torture person.
Step 2. Water-board them
Step 3. Tell them to swear on their mother's life that torture is immoral, illegal and the United States should not allow it. If they do not comply (IE they have not said what we want to hear) Return to step 2. Rinse and repeat (pun intended).
I would bet my house that nobody can withstand this treatment.
I'm amazed that a man of Porf. Turley's intellect and dignity, would even go on this clueless gasbags propaganda-fest. It's like trying to rationally talk to a crazy druken neighbor. A lesson in futility.
Either that, or he's perfprming some kind of charity program to spend time with the mentally deficient.
literal migraine, eh? with pulsations, increased sensitivity to all sensory input as well as blinding pain, prodromes too? Methinks this is another misuse of the word "literal" and that missy hasn't ever had a migraine in her life or she'd not use the word so lightly.
I wish someone would strip O'Reilly naked, and hog-tie his neck to his feet, hands tied behind his back, an apple stuck in his mouth and served up on a steel plate on a table. He could then stay there, as long as it takes, until he tells me exactly what I want to hear, over and over again, and never deviates from telling me what I know to be the truth. Since his discussions (propaganda) center on topics of life and death of others, this would not be torture; but simply ensuring that everyone hears the truth.
I don't think Turley did a good job representing the idea of using other interrogation techniques besides torture to be effective in getting the information. According to Israelis, who have a lot of experience dealing with terrorism, torture is not effective in getting the data, because people may lie to you and give false information. Other techniques are more effective in obtaining info from the detainee. So because of this torture stuff, we are losing the war on terror on two accounts: alienating the rest of the word (terrorism is fought at the grass roots, where it grows) and not getting the information needed from the detainees to fight the war.
Bill Oreilly's love of torture is telling of his inner soul, he claims too be moral guide for our kids, writes books for them, also writes pornography, kind've a contradiction, claims family moral values but was sued by a underling whom he tried too force into "phone sex", which rumors abound he has other sexual deviations, is he a undercover bondage and sadism devotee? I question anyones morality who thinks a technique "water boarding" which is well known from middle ages as a form of torture, as some mere simply harsh technique.., any human being who can torture or condone or order the torture of another human being has a questionable soul....., not of God, not of Jesus, Bill Oreilly is typical of the repbulican right wing, neo cons, do not as I do but as I a say..., scandal after scandal of them being immoral, in both sexual matters, greed and corruption, hits the airwaves all the time, they are the proverbial "blind biblical goats" Jesus warns of on judgment day whom he will not know, and his father will not even look upon since he will be so disgusted with their sin, Bill Oreilly and his neo con ilk, believe the end justifies the means, another political party in another time and nation had this same view, they were the German Nazi Party, they too believed their ideaology was righteous, and the end justified the means, have we sunk that low we will let the Bill Oreilly's and Bush Jr's of the world drag us too the pits of hades where Hitler dragged his people...., will world historians write of us, those wrote of the german people who turned a blind eye too evil leaders, propagandists who had no morality, souls and took power via fraud [2000 stolen election], we live in a time that is almost prophetic, false prophets abound whom preach prosperity religion for self enrichment [televangelists], a would be messiah for the right wing has risen too power and is worshipped as a messiah by his 27% die hard party....., god is not smiling on us I venture too guess...., since we 73% can stop these mad men/women whom twist torture as mear harsh treatment, wars of aggression as mere pre-emptive wars, we have a time of history which I venture too bet will be written by others as a dark age for us...
Of course billo would be for torture, look what he tried to do to Markis.
O'Reilly's a thug, plain and simple, and can relate to waterboarding because it appeals to his own "thuggery". This is neither surprising nor hard to understand. Fascists like O'Reilly who call people who disagree "far left" or the "hate America crowd" should be ignored. OF COURSE he'd be for torture techniques. He is intolerant, inhuman, and a bigot. The real life "Archie Bunker" given a 1-hour nightly show to spew his hateful views. Why bullies and thugs get airtime is beyond me.
Absolutely brilliant explaination of hoe the NIE report on Iran is "besides the point". Hilarious!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fyiGTJqzWU
In every war, from the Revolutionary War to the "war on terror", innocent people die, either intentionally or as "collateral damage". Every time we fight a war to preserve our freedom, we are willing to sacrifice innocent lives for a principle. Hiroshima anyone?
When O'Reilly asked Turley what he would allow during an interrogation, he should have replied, " The Army Field Manual. Got a problem with that? "
Turley blew it.
In my mind Bill won that debate, because Turley let Bill frame the question with the false premise that waterboarding produced useful intelligence.
Bill is Bill, but when smart people let him define a debate with lies, he wins.
Bill is so sick and twisted with an ego the size of the Grand Canyon it is so hard to watch him without breaking out in a rash.
These hypotheticals are so ridiculous. In the absence of any trial or law, we as a country have decided its ok to torture people, leaving them no recourse to courts or representation. We're so far gone.
Well WHY do you watch the F***er?
What do you expect from a nasty fascist?
Do you think that one day he will soothe you and stimulate your heart and soul?
Stop smashing your head on the screen.
Why does anyone watch FOX TV unless the are really dumb or masochistic?
bill isn't even worth it . . .
Bill is blatantly using the red herring technique I learned back in marketing school.
he knows lots of "gullable pot smoking liberals" (as he sees them) will be watching this on the internet on web sites like this. He presents some extreme red herring view that only a few crackpots watching from their trailer park will agree with like "we should be water boarding whoever we suspect of being a terrorist". he knows that people will side with right wing professor Jonathon Turley. He knows that by the end of the segment, these moderates watching may not be on Bill's side...but they only have two choices remeber?!
choice #1: Bill's fascist point of view
choice #2: Professor's Turely's conservatove right wing politcal constitution revisionism.
so these gullible moderates and liberals watching side with choice #2 and then are suprised when they look in the mirror and see a conservative constitutional scholar who agrees with the stuff Bill said in the beginning of the show about the "hate america crowd".
All along that was Bill's only goal...forget about terrorsism, it's a red-herring....all Bill wanted you to do was hate the liberals who hate America....ahahahahha!
Clever, but evil....
PS. Based on th reading most of comments above it looks like many of you chumps fell for it....you are agruing about torture...meanwhile you have a new respect for Professor Turley from GW!
plaaaaa-leez
PPS. everyone knows that the red-herring only works with a hot topic that stirs people's emotions....brainwashing 101 is all about using high intensity emotional events. Get all worked up and you are ready to latch on to anything some-what sane...by opposing Bill on the the red-herring, Professor Turley provides that anchor.
Free you minds.
"Honey, I sure hate that 'hate America' crowd don't you?" [said in white person voice]
Its good see see O'lielly being pissed-off so much now days, its a good sign things are getting better in America lately. !!!!!
You want torture? Show Billo 24/7. That's my definition of torture.
Wish Turley had said, "So when people were talking about founding this country, you would have advocated playing it safe, rather than taking any risks for freedom?"
If totallitarianism = safety in Orielly's world, he is all for totallitarianism.
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