Huckabee: Gitmo is too nice
By John Amato Friday Dec 21, 2007 11:01am
Remember this one from Romney during an early GOP debate?
Romney - Some people have said we out to close Guantanamo...my view is that we outta double Guantanamo...
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Mike Huckabee, that Christian leader who doesn't see crosses, only bookshelves told CBS News that (h/t Charles):
Asked about Guantanamo, Mike Huckabee said he had visited the facility and said it was “disappointing” that military personnel were eating meals that averaged $1.60 while the detainees were eating Halal meals that cost over $4 each.
“The inmates there were getting a whole lot better treatment than my prisoners in Arkansas. In fact, we left saying, ‘I hope our guys don’t see this. They’ll all want to be transferred to Guanatanmo. If anything, it’s too nice.”
The man of God thinks Gitmo is way too nice. And it's only going to get worse from here:
According to Bob Wickers, Huckabee media consultant and mastermind of the "Chuck Norris Facts" commercial, the new ad will be intregal to the campaign and "consistant with who he is and how faith informs who he is". Expect an anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage message.
Updated: Think Progress has more:
In June, Huckabee said on CNN’s Late Edition that “most of our prisoners would love to be in a facility more like Guantanamo.” At the time, he said we couldn’t close the facility because hypothetically, “if we let somebody out” they could “come and fly an airliner into one of our skyscrapers.
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Sorry for torturing you. Have some caviar.
Well,Huck,...then you'll have no problem putting them on trial so the goverment can show proof that they are law breakers...right?
Let these guys duke it out to see who is the lowest rung on the humanitarian pole. It will come back to bite them. Most Americans do not believe in torture and suspension of human rights. Only the vocal, faux "moral majority" seem to relish it.
If Gitmo is so great he should send his sons there for a real authentic visit. See how he would feel if he had skin in the game. I bet they could have them admitting to 9/11 and Nicole Simpson in about 24 hours.
F*ckabee, the sociopathic man o' god. Trust us, Mike, if anything like your God exists, he can't wait to spring that trap door on your ass. See you in hell.
"Here's the scenario, though it is fictional, it is plausible". .....and the knuckle draggers wet themselves. This is so pathetic it's funny.
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Ya see, Jesus knew one of his disciples was going to betray him. If he'd a just waterboarded 'em all, he'd a found Judas, and then Jesus would still be alive today! Can I get an amen?
There must be some useful purpose Huckabee can serve.
What if we ran him through a shredder, set on 'coarse', froze the pieces, donated the pieces to high school biology classes throughout the nation, let them thaw the Huckabee remnants, and see if they responded to electrical stimulation.
Think of all the frogs, 'god's' true creatures, we would save.
What, Haliburton isn't providing the meals at Gitmo? You know that if they were the meals would be costing the taxpayers more like $16.00 than $1.60. How the hell did Cheney miss this?
Onward Christian soldiers!!
Yeah...that'll play well in the Middle East.
Another closed minded, xenophobic, fascist moron wrapped in the flag carrying a cross.
When are these people going to realize that the world is pointing a collective finger at the US and laughing? These people give America a bad name. They give the impression that Americans are ignorant, dumb, scared s**tless, xenophobic clowns. What's it going to take for people to wake up?
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moniker @ 8:
Hallelujah! Oh and amen.
These asshats that think prisoners shouldn't have lawyers must think the Gov't is infallible.
peace warrior @ 7:
Ain't that the truth! he is the only candidate to vote for this time around, everyone else seems to want to inherit the windfall of the Iraq debacle and Kucinich is the only one who has said we have to make things right again, we have to fess up to what has been done and hold people accountable. I would even bet that any other candidate besides Kucinich would do for Bush what Ford did for Nixon and once again rob the American people of the justice we deserve.
But maybe I'm wrong...after all we are feeding the prisoners top notch foodstuffs, just ask Duncan Hunter...so I would say trading all your freedoms for some glazed chicken (and I'm sure there are other scrumptious items on the menu) is fair. and if Congress just lets these crimes go unchecked and unpunished then maybe, one day soon, we will all get the advantage of eating Glazed Chicken at the Gitmo Hilton. maybe it'll be great...maybe we should bring the kids!
What is WRONG with this guy?He gives me the creeps.
Apparently behind the "Leave it to Beaver" "Father Knows best" facade lurks the mind of a sadistic lunatic.The GOP really have perfected this kind of "aw shucks" "just plain folks" horse shit.
Huckabee is, of course, a total moron. HOWEVER, HAVE ANY OF YOU EVER BEEN TO GITMO? There is nothing like making assumptions......
Someone who knew a lot and shaw the writing on the wall eons ago said some very wise words: When fascism comes to America it will do so on a flag wrapped around a cross.
Fuckabee is dumber than a bag of rocks, yet he is a clear proponent of social Darwinism and has the compassion of Torquemada.
Huckybuck can't understand why a bird in a gilded cage doesn't sing.
Huckabee? F**k Me!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z2F96rCnHg
via Jackie and Dunlap
peace warrior @ 7:
You're NEVER going to get the Religious Right on your side with THAT attitude!
C'mon Dennis, disparage a few brown people, will ya!
moniker @ 8:
No but I'll take a woman
Another issue the Dems said they will stop and restore the Constitution and the rule of law.
2007 was one screwed up year but 2008 will be worse.
Then we will get back in the right direction if a Dem is elected.
The gop would stay the course.
That's right. Detainees have been living in Gitmo for five or six years now and they get Halal meals. So they must be living in luxury. While the guys guarding them get to go home, see their families and celebrate Christmas and what-not. I envy those detainees.
http://13martyrs.blogspot.com/
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They are just getting warmed up.
FBI Prepares Vast Database Of Biometrics
Kucinich or Kissitgoodbye.
capnmike @ 18:
Let's see, a prison where kidnapped, unlawfully imprisoned and tortured brown people and held for well over 5 years, none of whom been tried, some shipped there in their young teen years.
Yeah. We on this thread are quite possibly denigrating Heaven.
:roll:
Rob Wagner @ 25:
The thing is, Huck is basing his argument on the notion that Guantanamo prisoners, and for that matter, everyone in the Middle East, is a camel jockey and a cave dwelling sand n***er that lives in deplorable conditions with no electricity or a refrigerator that for them, 3 meals a day is a luxury. I mean, it doesn't get more pompous and bigoted than that -- Dehumanizing one's enemy (even though these people are only suspects at this point) to the point he is considered sub-human and that being locked up in a cage while being fed is just Jim dandy -- does it? They did that back in WWII when the Japanese were portrayed as monsters who'll eat your babies alive.
It's disgusting on so many levels.
It's akin to the prejudiced idea that when a country like Dubai is developing a dinosaur theme park they are "rich Arabs wasting money again". But, people forget Disney World and what have ya.
Politicans will say anything to get themselves in to position of power even the most ridiculous of statements.
Huckabee thinks Gitmo is too nice cuz he comes from Arkansas. Hell looks attractive compared to most of Arkansas.
Next Huckabee will want to bring back the "Tucker Telephone" Used to torture Arkansas prison inmates (practice ended in 1970's).
We're not in the dark ages people. We have electricity.
xoites defends Constitution @ 28:
i like kucinich too but it doesn't seem like he's brought his a-game.
introducing articles of impeachment was helpful, but he needs to do something bigger if he has any hope of widening his support.
and we can sit around bemoaning his lack of coverage, but working the media to get your message across is part of rhe game, too, whether or not we like it.
Repugs: FUBAR!
http://www.docudharma.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3220
OK Yutzabee, put your money where your mouth is and lock yourself up in Gitmo for a week or two. The Ritz Carlton it ain't, pal. These people must live in an alternate universe.
ROM Spaceknight @ 34:
I'm sure, Kucinich is doing what he can given the circumstances. He's only human. It was brave of him to do what he's done so far, considering no other democrat, not a single one, has had the backbone to do what he did. He deserves commendation for that.
The next time they do a lobotomy on Huckabee, I hope they get it right.
your a liar just like Joseph Smith..... may be you can move in there for a while and see what its really like you fake asshole...
If torture was good enough for Jesus then it's good enough for Huckabee. Since Huckabee believes in the Golden Rule who is going to go around and offer Huckabee a "nice" stay in Gitmo complete with the torture package?
One inmate attempted suicide by slitting his throat with his sharpened fingernail. How "nice" could it be?
Bush's War:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qecu0hiQbkA
amato, thanks for the post.
but i wouldn't worry too much about these neocon dingleberries, for the time being.
i'm pretty sure the democratic nominee could beat whichever douche bag crushed limpballs and his ilk settle on, except in the very unlikely event of a hillary / ron paul match-up.
Send Huckabee a copy of Robert Redford in Brubaker. Even though he was governor of Arkansas he seems to have forgotten all the extremely bad press they got over that state's treatment of prisoners.
Lasthorseman @ 36:
Words escape me at the moment. The only thing I'll say is "What the fuck is this country coming to?" DHS is living up to its reputation. They're just missing the brown shirts.
"I hope our guys don’t see this. They’ll all want to be transferred to Guanatanmo. If anything, it’s too nice.”
I bet Joe Stalin thought the same thing about his gulags. The difference in this case is that those people held in U.S. prisons have been charged with crimes and sentenced accordingly and remain in the U.S. Those in Gitmo have not been charged with any crimes and are held in a prison outside of the United States. I bet those cons inside of U.S. prisons saw Gitmo in that light they would not want to go. Going to Gitmo is similar to ending up in one of Joe Stalin's gulags. Never to be heard from again.
Dangerous man - if huckabee is elected president, US will be subject to a theocratic regime that will make the Taliban look lenient. Watch out for this christianist fanatic.
xoites defends Constitution @ 27:
I read that first thing this morning. I swear, it made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. Last I read about that biometric crap, it was unreliable. But that never stopped our government from employing suppressive/repressive measures, did it.
As for Gitmo, I'm happy for Arkansas prisoners to receive meals that are over $4.00 each, with the caveat that they will no longer be allowed attorneys, or conjugal visits, or phone calls, or any hope whatsoever of ever being free and of possibly being executed on fabricated evidence. One more thing: we get to urinate on their Bibles before dunking the Holy Book in the toilet. And if they kill themselves, we can mock their desperation. /sarcasm
Yeah, Fuckabee, focus on one issue to rile up your narrowminded base, you cretin, because you know they'll never consider how much world respect and American dollars we would have saved if we had simply followed the rule of law.
McDuff @ 38:
It is ALL up to us to make a difference. Vote in the primaries it is the only time that the Electoral College won't decide for us.
VOTE 4 KUCINICH
PEACE
The real question for all of these people who would use 'enhanced interrogation techniques' in 'ticking timebomb scenarios' seems logically to be: Why not use torture?
They seem quick to say that they wouldn't use torture, but nobody wants to call them out on exactly WHY?
"If torture was good enough for Jesus then it's good enough for Huckabee."
Lets nail him to his book shelf.
huckabee is the evil and vile side of southern baptist convention goers.
No wait, that is their only side. How can such a large group get Christianity so wrong?
Compassionate conservatives for torture.
GOP presidential candidates advocating insane ideas.
Jesus was, and is, a liberal. Get over it, fundies.
...and, moondancer. FU, pal. Arkansas is not hell, since ann coulter doesn't live here. Make commentary regarding huckster all you like. Unless it's your state too, keep your comments civil or we'll come to your state and make you wear a Razorback Head.
Doug @ 41:
Huckabee would have declared Jesus an "enemy combatant" and then crucified him at Gitmo.
No wonder Jesus was anti-ecclesiastical.
The philosophy and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth have been terribly corrupted by people like Huckabee for the past 20 centuries. He is quite electable. Liberals will squander their power by demanding ideological purity and when they don't get it, getting all righteous and voting for a Green or an Independent - then blame the Democratic nominee because we have 4 more years with an a**hole.
Some day, maybe before the left splinters into a million pieces, someone will realize it's the Rovians using the media to spread the word about how ineffective the Democratic leaders are. Some day, an 8th grade civics teacher will get it through his students heads that a simple majority is easily thwarted by a united opposition.
Until then, demagogues like Huckabee will continue to outrage most people and get elected by the 30% who think they're correct.
Would you rather the UN just gun them down like that did the rawandans, the truth is out, genocide you are scum.
OK, I'v had enough! We, the American taxpayers, are paying for this Guantanamo boondoggle.
We must insist:
1. That they turn down the swimming pool thermostat to 75%.
2. That they restrict serving pate and caviar to breakfast and lunch.
3. That they remove every other palm tree.
4. That they no longer insist on 600-count sheets.
5. That they make their own beds.
6. No more mints on the pillows each night
7. That HBO specials and porn features be deducted from their weekly allowances.
VOTE FOR KUCINICH @ 49:
i hear you, but here's how i got 'em all rated:
1) Obama 2) Kucinich 3) Edwards 4) Dodd 5) Richardson 6) Clinton 7) Gravel
there are things i like about all of them, but i'm voting for obama because, after watching one of his speeches in iowa on youtube, i really think he's finally bringing his a-game.
whoops, forgot biden. he'd be six, clinton 7 and gravel 8.
“if we let somebody out” they could “come and fly an airliner into one of our skyscrapers."
Good observation, F*ckabee, they prob didn't consider it going in, but the innocents convicted and tortured without due process might consider doing it to your house.
It's typical for the Repugnants to try and frame the argument around who is getting better meals than whom. Nevermind that prisoners in Arkansas jails have been charged with a crime, given a fair and expedient trial, and have been convicted by a jury of their peers. Let's see Huck explain how THAT is better treatment than what the prisoners in Gitmo get.
I'll tell you one thing for GD sure.
You lock me in a cage, without reason, and no recourse, for even a few days, let alone years, and when I get out, unless I have a dependent family to consider, I will do everything possible to tear your throat out, and destroy the system that gave you the power to do that to me.
And if I have a dependent family to consider, I will first provide for them, and then, to set a good example for them, of what honor and the concept of 'justice means, I will act as if I did not have them to consider.
Right Huck. They are EATING. We really believe that. Anyone who has seen the interviews with black site detainees knows they don't eat. Sorry, this is GITMO, the 5 star luxury torture chamber.
Having eaten these meals, I can tell you they are crap. However, the DOD is not paying $1.60/meal. That number is much closer to $15/meal. The $1.60 comes out of what Haliburton is willing to cough up to provide to your troops in harms way. That's assuming what they serve isn't rotting.
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Would you expect anything more from a guy who also thinks:
Abortion, environmentalism, AIDS, pornography, drug abuse, and homosexual activism have fragmented and polarized our communities.
-"in the name of civil liberties, cultural diversity, and political correctness, a radical agenda of willy-nilly moral corruption and ethical degeneration has pressed forward."
-"equality in the workplace has ironically worked against women in innumerable ways."
He is your typical right wing blow hard who still see's things through a salem 18th century lens.
Social conservatives love to talk about prisons and joke about prison rape.
Dear Huck,
quit trying to curry favor with the National Review crowd. They will attack you on their site no matter how "butch" you try to be
Republicans are NOT human if they believe in this stuff. Whichever leader got the idea that you would allow torture and agree that the Geneva Conventions are quaint or to be ignored is a warmonger and a dictator and I don't care what type of country you 'say' you have.
If you vote republican expect to have teams of 'local supporters for torture' to come and take your from your home and waterboard you on your front lawn.
Do it to them like they do it to others. No more republican voters after a few good internet videos make it to the news.
What? They support torture, we agree, lets waterboard them! You can tell who they are, they have the little 'support the troops' stickers and the 'republican flags' on their front lawn.
*This is Satire, obivously, but you know, with the new laws, it might not be... I mean, in your country its legal now right?*
[Hey Randy. Thanks for stopping by. With the world in such bad shape, we needed the comedy relief. You can go now. Oh, and remember-those willing to trade freedom for security will get neither-Sitemonitor]
I'm more than sick of repugs. When are white people gonna stand up to this nut? What's it gonna take for US white citizens to stand up and riot? Is it gonna take winning or losing a sport event? Remember the past glory of the Boston Tea Party?
The arrogance, the nerve, the audacity of chimpy's regime.
Should a double Gitmo be served straight or on the rocks?
Randy @ 68:
In order to recognize what 95% of the people think, you must think as they do. My condolences. In the event..jadadajadada......., that was not sarcasm, that was true compassion.
[Quit spamming the threads with the same off topic message. Thank you-Sitemonitor]
Randy @ 68:
The next time you are accused of doing something you haven't done, with no evidence presented in your defense, please remember your attitude toward the rule of law.
What demographic is "people in 95% of the USA"? You mean 95% of people in the USA, right? And you do mean people who read and write the English language, I presume, and are old enough to weigh all the facts of a situation rather than being swayed by inflammatory emotional rhetoric.
Should we grant you the same degree of benefit of the doubt when it comes to your intelligence that you grant to others when it comes to their innocence?
I had training in the Geneva Convention that is required my all military personnel. I gave a few years of my life in service to the US, under a democratic and a republican President. I actually know something about the Geneva Convention unlike the rest of you. A member of the military fighting for a sovereign nation is covered under the Geneva Convention. People that do not meet that standard are not covered. It is obvious people with your political persuasion on this site don't let facts get in the way of their rhetoric.
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Randy @ 74:
So if people in Gitmo don't fall under the Geneva Convention then they should be treated like criminals?
This is not an anomaly (sp). This is now a permanent feature of the US. The left allowed the extremist right to create this world view over 40 years without much comment. In spite of the clear anti-democratic principles. In spite of promises to destroy government. In spite of behaviors that were clearly criminal (and went unpunished).
Here it is. These are meat eaters. They have the taste for blood now. They have power and a covetous and fearful nature. Listen carefully to the applause from the audience when speakers allude to torture and violence and remember the rallys in nazi germany. You arent going to get rid of them.
Randy @ 75:
One insult after another. Ok, I get it. You are here to fight. I wont fall for it.
Have a nice day.
Randy @ 75:
So you're a wealthy ex-serviceperson, who loves danging participles, are one of those 'who' creates jobs, and adds value to products (by selling phony mortgages to the rest of the mainstream?). Are you sure you're not a crazy-right babbling boob on the MSM? (Check your name tag, and see).
Preacher Boob @ 79:
The short economic definition of wealth is all goods and resources having economic value. I am sure that was not taught in your socialist world. The fact is unless wealth is produced by some of us you won't have anything to take away from us to redistribute.
Randy @ 74:
I'll play along with your silly game. Answer me this, since the prisoners at Guantanamo Bay are "Enemy Combatants" as you and your beloved dictator seem to think, why isn't there enough evidence to put them in a federal prison for good? I mean, they ARE combatants, right? Then how come their legal status is in limbo and a few have been released? How come they're still considered "suspects"? How come no legal charges have been brought against them?
Thing Fish @ 76:
No, they should be treated like TERRORIST.
McDuff @ 81:
Don't kid yourself. It's always nice to have someone like you who's all muscle and no brain provide jobs and add value to a product. But, the question is, do you really think you're part of the mainstream? Or is that just what your lover Bill O'reilly keeps telling you?
Given Huckabee's track record with commutation in Arkansas, all the Gitmo detainees have to do is accept God and they're home free!
pinkobait @ 51:
LMFAO! Great stuff for the general election, no matter who gets nominated! Put me down for a hat and a shirt!
[deleted--are you figuring out that we're not going to allow your comments until you keep it civil? How many posts do you suppose it will take for you to figure that out? Stop the names and ad hominems and I'll allow your posts to go up. I don't need your flame war. We have many conservatives that are able to have discussions on this site and constructive dialogue, but if that's not what you want to do, I suggest you move along and join your buddies at Free Republic.]
McDuff @ 82:
I don't know about you personally, but I deduce that if you are in agreement with most of the things I have read here you are not in the mainsteam of political thought. If any of the demoratic canidates for president presented the ideas and thoughts I have see expressed here what do you think their poll numbers would look like? Check Mr. Kucinich.
BLITZER: But the argument isn’t so much the physical condition as to the legal system that they face. These suspected terrorists, these detainees are being held, by and large, without charges, without any evidence. They’re just being kept there indefinitely. And that’s causing a smear on the U.S. reputation.
HUCKABEE: I understand that. But I’ll tell you, if we let somebody out and it turns out that they come and fly an airliner into one of our skyscrapers, we’re going to be asking, how come we didn’t stop them? We had them detained.
No Huck you dont understand shit! Are Gitmo prisoners potential terrorists and a threat to the american people? Maybe. Who knows? If they werent a threat before they sure as hell could be after 6 years of subhuman treatment by americans dont you think?? The thing you dont understand is habeas corpus. Look it up, its in the constitution. You simply dont lock up people for 6 years without charges without a fair trial. Doesnt matter if they are suspected terrorists or not. If you do you violate both international law and the american constitution. And even if you would get away with it through some tiny loophole in the Geneva convention you still violate reason, common sense and fundamental human decency. And additionally by treating people like shit this way you will create more enemies more terrorists.
Huckabee is a lying piece of shit. I can believe that the wonderful military is now charging our soldiers $1.50 per Halliburton blue plate special, as opposed to feeding them for free as they used to do, but you can believe that Halliburton is getting paid fifty bucks a meal by us taxpayers. I assume four dollars is what they are charging the prisoners, who, by the way, have not been charged with any crime, ANYWHERE and are thus, under what USED to be our law, innocent persons.
Perhaps Jesus will tell Saint Mike to do away with Gitmo and just impale its inmates on nine foot spikes on the white house lawn, it's a lot cheaper that way.
Randy @ 85:
This was interesting. I didn't start the flame war I responed when challanged.
Site Monitor: Nice try, Sparky. I'm monitoring the threads and saw your name calling and flame baiting from the first. I'm not letting it elevate to a flame war. So the playing innocent charade isn't working.
ought
ought to
galmud @ 87:
It is not a tiny loophole in the Geneva Convention. The people in question are not covered by the Geneva Convention. Period. End of story. One can make other arguments, but do yourself a favor and don't refer to the Geneva Convention. I disagree with your point of view but it will give you more credibility. It also gives one more credibility when profanity is not used. The use of profanity is inversely proportional to ones ability to communicate and articulate. Was your lack of capitalization of America in the previous paragraph intentional?
Randy @ 89:
Terrible sorry. But I don't see how asking the question @74: So if people in Gitmo don’t fall under the Geneva Convention then they should be treated like criminals? to be a challenge.
No answer?
Randy @ 86:
You went from portraying the mainstream as that which supports torture and illegal detention to "Mr. Kucinich". Those are two different things. None of the democratic candidates support torture, except for Hilllary perhaps, and the democrats have the backing of the majority of Americans (read: more than 60%). So your argument is bunk. And while we're at it, Obama, and Hillary have the backing of corporations and lobby groups. The American electorate doesn't figure into the "mainstream" in this case. It's the will of big business, not the will of the people.
Either way, you chose to avoid answering my question about Gitmo prisoners and the evidence against them. What's the matter? Are you unable to back up your ideas beyond the soundbite level?
In my day, we were tortured, got $.10 meals, walked uphill in the snow to school both ways...and we were thankful. Praise God and give thanks for Guantanamo.
Truth & Beauty
Randy @ 89:
Mr. Site Monitor, I didn't know the rules here. It appears that what would be inappropriate language in many places is allowed but overly harsh critique of the left is not allowed. Do I have that correct? Your pal Sparky.
Site Monitor: Do you frequently need things repeated to you? Consult the commenting policy. We're not afraid of a few four letter words (but if it gets excessive or turns into hate speech, we'll edit it). WE DON'T WANT FLAME WARS. If you want to have a civil discussion, we'll forgive an f-bomb. If you want to call names and attack with unsubstantiated ad hominems, you'll take it walking. Now do I need to repeat it again, maybe using smaller words, for you to get it?
galmud @ 87:
Why is Huckster flipflopping on clemency for God fearing murderers?
And I agree with you: Gitmo is a terrorist factory.
9/11 is Exhibit A and Gitmo is Exhibit B for wingnut fearmongering. Look at what they did! Look at how many there are! OMG!!!
did anyone notice that this was rommny and not huckabee????????????????????????
OK I'll bite.
If a people believe that other humans have certain rights and their laws reflect those rights for citizens, I, for one, believe that those beliefs, rights and laws would be extended to all humans. It is, after all, what we purport to stand for. Even McCain would agree with this.
Anything else is a double standard. Don't torture us, but we can torture you. You can't detain us, but we can detain you. We give more legal safeguards to serial murderers than the hapless people turned over by bounty hunters.
You will have more credibility if you do not resort to loopholes. What do you stand for?
tyree @ 97:
Hiya, yeah, but I think it morphed into a Gitmo/GOP thing.
Thing Fish @ 92:
No they should be treated like criminals. They a different category. They are Terrorist. It is this concept wherein our disagreement lies. Am I to suppose that you do not believe in the concept Terrorism? Randy
Huckabe needs to be placed in a straight jacket NOW!
do-si-do @ 98:
No response from Randy, or Sparky, as it were.
jesus christ ,talk about informed voters!!!!!!!!!!!!!thats romney not hucksterbee , no wonder we loose elections!!!!!!!!!
Is there anything scummier and more full of shit than Mitt Romney?
Don't think so....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9IJUkYUbvI
Will someone PLEASE tell me what enhanced interrogation techniques are?
My interpretation is that it's a fancy word for torture. Nothing more, nothing less. Or am I just stupid?
Hi McDuff. Hmmm. I guess perhaps I was quoted by Randy/Sparky to rebut Randy/Sparky's own post at #100? dunno.
tyree, calm down. There was a special at Wal-mart and there're enough straight jackets to go all around. they can be monogrammed too.
RockmanEnough @ 106:
Well if we tell you, you'll start training for the Interrogation Olympics before the official start date. Then we have to...you know.
do-si-do @ 107:
fuck then by one ,
tyree @ 104:
tyree, the video is of Romney, that's true...the body of the text draws parallels between Romney's 'double Gitmo' and what Huckabee is saying now...the point is that these Republican candidates are talking tough about Gitmo, without acknowledging how horrible the conditions are and how many violations have been committed.
Randy @ 100:
Randy, I could sit here and debate this with you. But, now that I see what a knuckle head you are, I have no willingness to waste my time on you. Buh bye.
America is one of the most afraid nations in the world.
Randy @ 95:
That's better now you are close to the right track of argument for your point of view. Surely you are not suggesting that Terrorist and Terrorist states have laws in their domain that protect human rights of any type. Does anyone on this board believe that? You and I are not going to change each others opinion about anything. The best we can hope to do is understand the other persons point of without agreement. We may disagree with civility toward each side.
From my sides point of view we are in a war like no other in modern history. I don't think US Constitutional law applies. It was superseded by laws the Geneva Convention and upheld in the 1940's. The GC only applies to
Randy @ 91
It is not a tiny loophole in the Geneva Convention. The people in question are not covered by the Geneva Convention. Period. End of story. One can make other arguments, but do yourself a favor and don’t refer to the Geneva Convention. I disagree with your point of view but it will give you more credibility. It also gives one more credibility when profanity is not used. The use of profanity is inversely proportional to ones ability to communicate and articulate. Was your lack of capitalization of America in the previous paragraph intentional?
Oh, so you and the Bush administration decides who is and who is not covered by the Geneva Convention, now? Is that it?
I think the modern Christian belief system with it's focus on sin and judgment (including eternal torture) makes it easy for theocrats to be very comfortable with extreme punishment and execution. I know it's not very Christian of me but I think prisoners should be protected by a set of international standards and should have access to redress and representation in some type of trial. You know, due process, or is that now outdated and quaint?
im just pointing out that the pic dont match the caption!
so let me get this straight, Huckabee is horrible because he thinks its wrong that US soldiers at GITMO are not eating as well as people who are locked up for being terrrorists? uh, you people are not going to win many converts. This is why democrats keep losing. it IS wrong that they eat better. jeez, people, get a freaking clue. no wonder rush and his ridiculous rightwingnut ilk have such a field day with the left.
Randy @ 100:
Well if you feel they should be treated like criminals then shouldn't due process apply?
do-si-do @ 108:
No futher questions.
I know nothhhhhing! Seriously.
biff @ 116:
I'm not buying the cost equals better treatment or better meals. I'm not even buying that those prices quoted are accurate. I mean, we're talking about presidential candidates who don't know what their own meals cost.
Randy @ 74:
This is why starting an invasion and occupation with a word is just as stupid as your fears.
RockmanEnough @ 118:
:)
I often scream your question at the TV whenever Cheney comes out of his cave...
What a moron - make that plural.
tyree @ 115:
Why don't you read the whole fuckin' post? And stop screaming about what we're discussing. Jeez. How many times are you going to scream about it and have it explained to you.
yawn.
Thing Fish @ 117:
Randy! In the country where I live (Norway), the day of reckoning came in the summer of 1945. The Nazis and their appeasers were dealt with harshly.
Imagine yourself in the post neo-con era with what you are asseting here.
do-si-do @ 121:
One year and 20 some days to go........ I hope.
Maybe Huckabee feels that "detainees" (i.e. prisoners who have been deprived of habeas corpus) should be treated like a starving dog who wanders into a summer camp where son Huckabee is a counselor.
Sorry. I was interrupted. Please refer to my previous explanation of the GC several spaces up. The central argument is the legal standing. I can't buy the argument what you call detainees and what I call terrorist, are protected by the US Constitution and they do not fall under the GC. I think it is entirely possible that they have no legal standing of any kind. If that is the case what happens?
I see this as a war and is the reason behind my thinking. I don't think those of you on the other side do. We could continue this discussion and probably both learn something. I am sorry I don't have time. I have to go now. Happy Hanukkah to some of you. Merry Christmas to some of you. Peace on earth to everyone.
do-si-do @ 123:
no draw me a picture genious!!!! then it up your ass!!!!!!
sorry forgot the cram!!!!!!!!!!!!
RockmanEnough @ 113:
RockmanEnough @ 113:
I am getting weary of explaining that the GC covers sworn military people of a sovereign nation. What part of that don't your understand? Have you ever read any of the GC or had any training in it? I have. Was your lack of capitalization of America intentional?
RockmanEnough @ 124:
I don't suscribe to your neo-con theory. Your welcome for defeating the Nazis.
would that be a picture of Romney or Huckabee that I should be cramming?
Thing Fish @ 117:
Sorry, I was typing too fast. They are not criminals. They are terrorist. I said that in the third sentence.
Thing Fish @ 117:
Perhaps I misunderstood. Did you mean they "shouldn't" be treated as criminals as they are terrorists?
seevee @ 114:
That is great if you think that the US law should be superseded by international law. That won't sell in the majority of the US.
Thing Fish @ 130:
yes, thank you.
Huckabee is weird. Now doesn't this small fact make him
a odds on choice for our next president. It's America folks.
The majority loves a bonehead like Huck. Prove me wrong.
Please!
RockmanEnough @ 106:
Bush and his cronies have redefined torture. It is now defined as a failure of organs, or something which will likely cause death, or lasting physical pain.
One can imagine quite a bit of wiggle room with that 'lasting' interpretation... Heck -- you can rip out fingernails and toenails, and they will grow back. Is that 'lasting'?
Again, the question which should be put forth to Don Giuliani and Huckabee and any of the other rethugs up for the nomination should be: Why shouldn't the USA torture? I mean, if it saves 3 thousand lives, why not do it?
It's a devil's advocate position -- but you could presumably use their answer for some traction. Assuming that they give an answer.
As it is now, the question seems to be more about particular techniques -- water boarding, for example. I want to hear them tell us why it is wrong to torture.
I bet he could get his fucked up psychotic son David a sweet gig there!
HJ
Randy @ 74:
I had the same training and performed the training myself. Your comment is misleading at best. Enemy combatants are afforded protection under the Geneva Conventions. When you say, "people that do not meet the standard are not covered" you're not telling the whole story.
The way it really works is some people and buildings are protected such as hospitals. If the enemy uses the hospital for a base then it loses its protection. But anyone captured is considered an enemy combatant and protected.
The way Bush wants it is that anyone captured is a terrorist - not an enemy combatant. That means they fall under the civilian court system. But he doesn't want that either. He doesn't want them covered under anything so he plays word-game semantics to ensure these people don't have any protection at all.
Now, as far as I'm concerned anyone who is a terrorist deserves the worst we can throw at them. But nobody is bothering to make the effort to sort them out.
That's why the rule of law is important. To ensure the right people are punished and innocent people are released.
The Republican court system basically consists of, "He looks guilty. Lock him up and torture him."
do-si-do @ 129:
take your pick big mouth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hcuk is either Naiveas hell or sick as hell.
Just keep in mind 'God's" main fear message in the bible.
If you don't make it to 'heaven', you'll end up in Arkansas.
After seeing and hearing Hucklebuck, that ought to scare you straight.
CafeenMan @ 134:
Exactly! And you might enjoy this blast from the past:
Key quote is around 1:10. One of my favorite moments, compliments of RFK.
During his tenure as Gov. of Arkansas, Huckabee would have Cummins' prisoners do work on the governor's mansion. He likes having some slave labor on hand, so Guantanamo must have made him drool.
It boggles my mind that he's gotten this far in the race. The man cannot even build a decent road. Just cross the Mississippi river at Memphis and head west, you can see for yourself.
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