Tucker Mimics Cuomo On Obama: "You Can't Shuck And Jive At A Press Conference"
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The topic of race has been a hot one the past few weeks and now it appears that veiled (or not so veiled) racial comments about Barack Obama will be an issue in the 2008 Democratic primary race. During this segment today on Tucker, the subject of racism came up and Tucker Carlson had the bad taste to frame it using this statement by NY Attorney General Andrew Cuomo, in regards to Obama:
"You can't shuck and jive at a press conference."
It's universally accepted that Tucker is a schmuck (he once again says liberals are fascists) and none of the guests wanted to touch that framing. I was really disappointed to hear former CNN anchor Bob Franken jump to Cuomo's defense by referencing an old George Carlin comedy bit, in which he says all white guys think it's cool to act like they're black. That's very interesting. Cuomo has since released a statement claiming his comments were taken out of context, but as Pam says -- Oh no he didn't...


duh.
There's just a bad attitude at MSNBC, that has to be the most racist, sexist channel on TV... Dan Abrams just did a piece on "Does Washington pundits hate Hillary?" then he goes into all the nasty things that they have said about her, isn't that just a way to repeat them?
People actually watch this dickwadd?
why does tucker always remind me of the fonz?
It was almost 40 years ago that Martin Luther King was assassinated with bullets. Now the white racists are more subtle, and they use words to assassinate their targets.
This is no surprise to me that we're going down this muddy political road, no more than when a McCain supporter referred to Ms. Clinton as a "bitch."
It's amazing how ugly some people are when you see what lies beneath the surface.
Sure, it is just the Liberals who care about language and try to influence what people say... "freedom fries" anyone? How about equating "Happy Holidays" with a "War on Christmas"? Yeah, Tucker, Liberals are the fascists.
oh i have a strong feeling that true pundits will show their true sides from now until new years of 09
Perhaps lil' old Tucker needs a visit from his good friend Jon Stewart.
I usually don't believe in a vast mainstream media conspiracy, but Tucker makes me question my position because there has to be SOME REASON beyond his smarmy, privileged, lily-white, blue-blooded personality why he keeps getting a job. I don't know ANYBODY who likes Tucker left or right. Tucker's daddy must be very, very powerful.
Anyone else sick of this blathering asshat pretending the American populous isn't totally sick of vacuous arguments and so called political insight. Tucker, face it, your free ride of partisan sophistry is OVAH!
They blew the hell out of JFK, MLK, and RFK. Let's face it. They are meaner and more ruthless than we would ever be. They dare us to confront them. We shy away. Too polite to accuse them or investigate them thoroughly. They address threats with ruthless efficiency. Racist/Corporate agenda's can now be achieved through the control of the Mass Media and the Voting Machines.
They get away with their crimes because we for the most part underestimate their capacity for evil.
by the definition on the linked site, Bush has been "shucking and jiving" to the american people at press conferences for 7 years now.
He still has a job?
Straight Shooter @ 5:
I really like the meme they're trying to inject saying the voters of New Hampshire are closet racists because they didn't overwhelmingly support Obama. All the while blightly ignoring the fact that more than double the number of voter came out for him and slightly more than that for Hilary over the Repub winner. That's right boys, a change is a coming!
I am still wondering when Tucker's going to "come out of the closet."
Sullivan explains that Cuomo wasn't even talking about Obama when he said that:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/01/cuomos-quot...
strange, I was saying just a few days ago this was bound to happen, just wait until he gets to run against some real haters after the convention if they let him get that far.
anybody watching the repug debate rp's still winning?
Orangutan. @ 11:
bravo Orangutan. spot on.
Orangutan. @ 11:
Well I for one don't underestimate their capacity for evil ... I don't think many of the up coming Democratic lawmakers appreciate how we were treated during the Delay/Abramoff years either. These bastards don't know it yet, but they're on their way to political hell to meet the whigs! With all of the investigations that are going to come down about torture, civil liberties, war profiteering, and graft I don't think any Republicans outside of the ridiculously right will be left.
How much wood would a tucker suck if a tucker could suck wood?
Biff Limbaugh @ 4:
I'm thinkin a little more like a mean Ralph Malph..........dorky in a mean way.
language police be damned,, bring on the scorn,, here I go,, "fuck off tucker, cuomo is a piss rag too" cringe..
Biggus Diggus @ 21:
That fucker tucker is a sucker who sucks wood but has to pucker.Now...if tucker has to pucker while he is a sucker...is he still a fucker?
Republicans are skilled at the psychological defense mechanism of Projection. They take their sins and project them onto others, as in "Liberals are Fascists," when, in fact, it has been the Republicans who have used the Fascist playbook for the past seven years. So obvious, but no one even calls them on it. Just once, I'd like someone on TV to yell BULLSHIT!
Can anyone explain to me why Tucker Carlson or Chris Matthews still has a job? I can't watch them. Tucker especially, he makes my skin crawl.
Rufus @ 25:
So true, Thom Hartman used to talk about this psychological trick all the time. It's all about the language they use. Sadly is works quite well on uneducated masses.
In the screenshot of tucker above, it looks like some darkly colored animal crawled up on Tucker's head and died. Or is it just me.
Tucker Faye Carlson is straight, Max@15.
When you call someone "gay" in an attempt to insult them, Max, then you are an even bigger dickwadd than Tucker.
See video: Petty Clinton Omits Gravel, Hillary Shows Her True Colors
Why does't NBC fire him already? Davis Shuster would be an excellent person for Tuckers job. When will these networks get rid of these right-wing idiots? Don't we get enough of this right-wing bullshit?
We're about to show the whole world how truly ignorant and stupid we really are. More than 3/4 of the entire planet are people of color, of different cultures, etc. Watch and see if this presidential election year doesn't bring out the hidden bigotry about how we really feel about our fellow Americans, especially an international candidate who happens to be black. We'd better be very, very careful in how we react, and what we say because our Constitution vis-a-vis "all men are created equal" stands to be viewed by the rest of the world as nothing but a piece of fishwrapping. Our moral authority in the world will be over forever!
BREAKING NEWS: Kucinich calls for a recounting of the ballots in New Hampshire. A move any prudent democracy would undertake.
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5544
You can suck and lie, though, Tuck.
Dandy is correct. America is the best country in the world. Bush and his cabal have destroyed our creditibility and our standing in the world. Not only is our foriegn policy in tatters, our domestic standing is severely diminished. It will take a generation, if not longer to recover from this mess. I hope our children and grandchildren are up to the task.
P.D. @ 35:
Nope. Just like Rome. Too late.
i find it interesting that kelly tilgman of the golf channel gets suspended for two weeks for making a "lynching" joke about tiger woods, but nobody says boo to andrew cuomo...
Piss off, Tucker. If you had a brain you would be dangerous. Why don't you and Tweety just go blow each other?
I thought Tucker's main complaint against Obama was that he was "wussy?"
http://mediamatters.org/items/200707110003
Tucker has severe masculine insecurity issues. And he's still a butthole, even without the bowtie.
I knew it was only a matter of time before the "my comments were taken out of context" line would be used by Cuomo, and hopes that this all blows over.
The Clintons and their surrogates are now using "code words" racism regarding Obama, and it's time we exposed their desperation. First the Big Dog coins Obama's campaign as a "fairy tale"; now Cuomo with the "shuck and jive" comment, a phrase, which was coined by African-Americans when we called out those who were House Negroes back in the 1920s.
The Clintons have lost this African-American voter, and not because it's Barack Obama, because he's not my first choice for President.
They lost me because they assumed that all African-Americans are monolithic and we're showing them we're not. Some of us are in the Obama camp; some were in Richardson's camp and a good deal were on the Edwards train. The Clintons lost me because they think they can easily traverse between Blacks and Whites, burn Blacks and think it won't come back to haunt them. They think people like me are stupid and so loyal in the voting booth because of past history.
Past history also shows African-Americans have long damned memories - if they engage in this "Southern Strategy" (ala Richard Nixon) to get the White House, African-Americans won't forget how they got POTUS, no matter how many House Negroes they trot out to persuade us to return to the plantation.
I'm betting Al Gore might come out and endorse Obama - that would be a bigger blow to the Clinton campaign than Kerry endorsing Obama over Edwards, because it would be swift payback to the Clintons for slinging him under the bus in 2000 to clear the way for Hillary in the first place.
The Clintons are showing their true colors and Toni Morrison needs to apologize for giving Clinton the label of "first Black President" when he slung Blacks under the bus at a faster rate than Ronald Reagan did.
Man that Fred Thompson's a master debater! His chief strategy seems to be eating up the clock uttering the syllable '...ummmm...'. The only home the Repubs have is Huckabee - aka Gomer.
The Political Junkie @ 40:
I am not american so many expressions deemed racist have no negative connotations to me (like allusions to fried chicken or green beens or whatever) or they mean nothing (like tar-baby) so I may miss something here...
But how is "fairy tale" racist in the context it was said?
I agree with #41 The Political Junkie. Al Gore WILL come out in support of Obama and will work with his administration to bring about a global warming strategy that will help justify Gore's position and debunk the Clinton legacy. Watch for it, soon!
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dandy @ 43:
Gore might be rethinking his strategy.
http://www.spaceandscience.net/id16.html
On the subject of fairy tales, wouldn't that include "I did not have etc etc with that woman." and the infinitely more offensive one where President Clinton (I) goes to Rwanda and 'apologises' (probably in hedge-speak) and says 'if only they knew', they might have done something.
Pathetic, really.
'if only they knew (about the mass murder going on I mean)'
Dear Dan Abrams,
Fire Tucker. Your legacy is being tainted by your refusal to cut the wingnut welfare rolls
"Shuck and jive" is now a black phrase? Sure it originated in African American 70s 'jive' culture or whatever the name for that is, but it's a common phrase used in sports all the time now. Maybe the attorney general intended for it to be taken as a racial jibe, but that just shows how far behind in the times he is. It's just a way to describe an agile dodge, or repeated agile dodges as one heads towards the endzone.
I don't like the phrase, but I believe it was taken out of context. From the transcript, I understand Cuomo to say that a candidate in IA and NH cannot fool the audience as a candidate normally can in other settings. To me, Cuomo is trying to sound hip. Check out the transcript.
Partial transcript of Cuomo radio interview, supplied by AG's office:
Andrew Cuomo: "You know I've spent a lot of time in other races, especially in Iowa and in New Hampshire, back with Gore and back with Clinton. Those races require you to do something no other race does, you know, and I like it, and I agree with you, it's a good thing.
"It's not a TV-crazed race, you know, you can't just buy your way through that race ...It doesn't work that way, it's frankly a more demanding process. You have to get on a bus, you have to go into a diner, you have to shake hands, you have to sit down with ten people in a living room.
"You can't shuck and jive at a press conference, you can't just put off reporters, because you have real people looking at you saying answer the question, you know, and all those moves you can make with the press don't work when you're in someone's living room.
"And I think it's good for the candidates, I think it makes the candidates communicate in a way that works with real people because you know in a living room right away whether or not you're communicating, and I think the questions are good and I think the scrutiny is good, so you can, you can say they're small states and they get a lot of attention -- they are very good for the process, I believe that."
http://www.pamshouseblend.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=4126
Tucker still has a show? He's looking a little pudgy too.
I can't watch Tucker any more. Dan Abrams... when are you going to do the switcheroo to Rachel Maddow?
It's just the way white folks are.
"It’s universally accepted that Tucker is a schmuck (he once again says liberals are fascists)"
ugh....no denying tucker is a warty little gonad even though liberals fascists do exist (don't make me give examples, they're far less in number than the rights' versions but they're also annoying.).
what i can't figure out is, why hasn't this waste of meat been shown the door yet and maddow hired?
Rufus @ 25:
I'm with you. They really are fascists. How can they be so blind and stupid.
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Tekras @ 20:
I agree totally. And when those investigations do come, the American people will also be neck deep in the 2nd Republican Great Depression. They are going to be a mighty pissed-off, and lookin' for revenge!
I honestly don't think those dumb neocon bastards have a clue what's coming. Could be hell-to-pay for the neoclown's, because the masses are going to be screaming for some justice!
LOGAN did you read Pam's post all the way through?!
Pot meet Kettle!
This is only part of HOW WRONG PAM IS. Don't start this war guy's it's not what you want and Pam, Aravosis and the MSM are barking up a tree that doesn't exist calling Coumo out like that WAS WRONG ON SO MANY LEVELS I CAN NOT TELL YOU.
"""""What I wish Obama would say, but won't and shouldn't:
It's nice of Mr. Cuomo to lift his face out of a plate of Spaghettios and take off his mirrored shades to comment on the Democratic Primary. Will he be breaking my legs so as to keep me from running off the plantation, or is he going to get Paulie Walnuts to do it?
See this is why I can't run for office.
The only way Obama can win is by not taking the bait. Unfortunately, if he wants to keep the goodwill of white voters, he has to play down what was an flagrantly racist insult.""""
SHAME ON ALL OF YOU!!!!
I'm sure if I looked up the phrase, "pussy whimp" in the dictionary, I'd see a picture of this jack off.
Tucker doesn't see anything wrong with it. If any of the rest of us do it's the P.C. Police.
Would it be P.C. to call undercover gay sting police "Tucker Types"? No and it would be offensive to gays, but there it is. Tucker your an offensive fellow.
Andrew Cuomo has been listening to an old Art Garfunkel recording. And he convinced Editor&Publisher, TheNewYorkTimes, and a bunch of non-black media he's a wonderful guy who wouldn't say such a racist thing and mean it. Meanwhile, daddy is in hiding.
a sample...
"If you can get yourself together
kindly write a criticism of this song
How it's exquisitely constructed, yet
mechanical, and somehow slightly
wrong
Put it in your book about the enemy
you never even met
You know, you just might make it yet-
But I don't think you'll survive
Mr. Shuck 'n Jive"
Few things offend me more than a bunch of white men sitting around talking about the effects of racism, or what's a racist remark and what's not a racist remark. And I'm saying that as a white male. Gee, so Tucker Carlson wasn't offended by Andrew Cuomo's remarks, and he's "... willing to give him the benefit of the doubt". How very liberal of you Tucker! Your feelings on this subject are very informed, relevant and important.
Not.
Bob Franken should have done as Steve McMahon does in this clip and and distance himself from Tucker's race-baiting crapola.
“You can’t shuck and jive at a press conference.”
Holy crap did he really say that?
Tom Murphy @ 30:
this is why you don't make lists in your thank you speeches, someone will get antsy.
Just like day after 911 when Bush was thanking many countries and Bush forgot to mention Canada.
Yeah Canada, Bush forgot to thank Canada for being the first country to send Firefighters, Para-medics, nurses, and volunteers FIRST before any other allied nation did to NYC.
So Hillary forget to mention Gravel is no big deal compared to your Bush.
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Minstril shows went out of fashion a long time ago because they were primarialy RACIST.
The makeup may have changed, but "white men" who "make fun of" being a "black American" is still a RACIST "WHITE MAN"!
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wow. how blatantly racist.
Intended racial overtones or just simple ignorance to the origin of the phrase?
Hell, the first time I ever heard "shuck and jive" was on the Dukes of Hazzard used by white people. Easy to figure out what it meant. Didn't know its origins. Thought it was a general southern term.
The fruit does not fall far from the tree. It was for the same reasons that his father stuck the four sided knife and twisted it in David Dinkins back to make sure he lost the Mayoral election contest to Rudy Giuliani. Go check it out even though Giuliani was a republican it did not stop him.
lewisnclark @ 62:
define "white"
while you're at it explain to me the supposedly non racist relations between the following "white" races:
greeks/armenians
irish/british
much of europe/gypsy
ukrainian/russian
serbian/croat
the great myth promulgated is that whites are a monolithic culture where that clearly isn't the case. please don't try to tell me that racism doesn't exist for "white folk"
yeah, so what the hell is George W. Bush doing at Press Conferences? How can anyone insult anything about ANYBODY while this clown holds office?
The quote is not correct. The paper has "clarified".
It was not about Obama.
Pam has it right. cuomo is covertly a racist. What he said is despicable. There isn't any need for this type of old white worn out diatribe.
Although Sen Obama is eloquence and gracious toward his different audiences, racist assholes will underhandingly call Obama a pimp or a gangsta.
These racist nuts will act surprise when an African-American is progressing, as if this is out of the norm.
Remember when turdy, gregory and others were comfortable enough to do a televised "rap"? Sickening! I bet you won't see Obama imitating Swan Lake.
These racist name-calling nuts believe they can make sly racist comments and get away with it. They actually want people to laugh at their off color bs. IT AIN'T FUNNY dumbasses.
White supremacy is the foundation of the United States. Until they rewrite the Constitution and include all nationalities, white supremacy will remain.
I don't agree with the sticks and stones bs theory either.
I have to laugh when the wingnuts call libersals fascists. Fascism is a right wing ideology.
From Wikipedia:
Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology (generally tied to a mass movement) that considers individual and social interests subordinate to the interests of the state or party. Fascists seek to forge a type of national unity, usually based on (but not limited to) ethnic, cultural, racial, religious attributes. The key attribute is intolerance of others: other religions, languages, political views, economic systems, cultural practices, etc. Various scholars attribute different characteristics to fascism, but the following elements are usually seen as its integral parts: nationalism, statism, militarism, totalitarianism, anti-communism, corporatism, populism, collectivism, and opposition to political and economic liberalism.
Sounds more like the Republican party to me than "liberals".
dandy @ 32:
It's 9/10 not 3/4.
I do agree with the rest of your post.
Tucker Carlson is a dick. Jon Stewart said it. I believe it. That settles it.
The Political Junkie @ 40:
Bravo!
I won't forget his presidential pardons or his over zealous itch to incarcerate African-Americans.
What does tweedy mean when he states Obama is "clean"?
Man, I hope his days are numbered.
Please calm down people. Tucker Carlson is a dickweed has always been a dickweed, at least he got rid of that riduculous bow-tie he wore when his lips were firmly stuck to papa Bush's lilly white ass cheeks in the 90s.
As a black person I am really tired of people blowing stupid statements out of proportion. One would think the Cuomo called Barack the n word or something. I think it was just a phrase. We can't pretend like our great country is over it Y1K race issue, we aren't. But if Obama's skin is so thin as to take umbridge with such a nebulous comment, he is in the wrong profession.
It seems as though the news media is so desperate for controversy that every white person in the public eye is subject to being tarred and feathered for uttering what some may percieve as a racist comment. shuck and jive??? plueeze.
90 percent of people under the age of 40 probably didn't even recognize the phrase as having anything to do with plantations, I know didn't, I thought it meant shucking and jiving what ever that means.
Maybe Cuomo should have been more clear if his intent was to inflame the masses and maybe said something like "Obama is clean and articulate, just like the white candidates, I mean, he doesn't assault the other candidates and stuff like that" kinda in the vein of Fox noise comedian Bill O'reilly when he ate at his first black owned restaurant (Sylvia's in NY) "it was clean and the patrons weren't saying stuff like hey b gimme some m-f tea" etc.
Race shaped this nation and will continue to be the burden of the USA, you can't build a nation on the backs of slaves while calling it the land of the free and expect the progeny of the slaveholders, economic beneficiaries, and the slaves to suddenly come together as one nation. The horror of the institution lasted over 200yrs, the exploitation survived another 110yrs, the recovery, if we ever do recover, will take at least as long.
When I was a little girl in the late 50s my 2nd grade teacher told me any American citizen could grow up to be President. At the time I belived it, and maybe someday it will be true.
Has there ever been a public figure that said something stupid or racist that didn't claim to be "taken out of context?" I'd like Cuomo to put "shuck and jive" in some context where it is not racist. This is the O'Lielly excuse!
Max-1 @ 65:
and the same could be said of "black men" making fun of "white Americans".Oh...and I don't think the term schukin and jivin is being racist.........just part of the language.
No angst over the sexist chauvinist remarks aimed at Hillary? Oh, that's right, she's just a woman and women are voting for her because she's just like them.
mudshark @ 80:
Huh? Just part of the language? When's the last time you used the term Schukin' and jivin' in a conversation with your cracker friends? (the 'cracker' noun was intentional, as I'm white.)
From Wikipedia: Shuckin' and jivin' (or shucking and jiving) is a slang term primarily used by African Americans. It refers to the speech and behavioral mechanisms adopted in the presence of an authority figure [1]. Shuckin' and jivin' usually involves clever lies and impromptu storytelling, used to one-up an opponent or avoid punishment [2]. Such behavior is believed to have originated in the era of slavery [3].
Ever notice the huge gap between Ticker's lips and the bottom of his chin? That's where he stores all the bullshit!
And his tossled hair is obvioiusly a result of just waking from a nap - something the crybaby needs multiple times a day between his frequent bursts of crankiness.
What B.S.
I admit that I'm a musician (white), as if that matters, but shuck and jive has been in the vernacular for the last 35 years... it's not just for minstrels anymore.
Shucking and jiving is basically talking a lot without saying anything. If you read Andrew Cuomo's actual statement, you will see that he is talking about ALL candidates in these primaries.
I swear to God that the Left has truly learned the lessons of the Right. We are now as chickenshit holier-than-thou as they are. I'm sad to see so many foaming Lefties relate to their own racism and acting as if everyone else is a racist.
What I wonder is... what happened to Obama's white mother? If Obama had a white mother and a black father... how does that make him black? I don't think I've ever heard anyone say he's white.
Are you saying that Barack's father can say he's shucking and jiving, but Barack's mother cannot?
I've taken some slack on this blog for attempting to state something I think most America might be in denial of...Obama is a black man and your history dictates that the shitty feelings white America has towards blacks over the past 232 years are not going to go away over night "when push comes to shove".
I listened to WBEN Buffalo yesterday and Tom Bowerly (sp) has already started with his polls. "Do you think America is ready for a black person or a women" and he was prouder than a peacock when he gave his utd poll stats which showed more people were against it.
So, although I'm simply one Canadian who has just read a lot in my years, this is a right-wing talk show program who has started the "wheels of minority" turning with his audience.
There wasn't a poll to see if America was ready for a thrice-divorced President or a Evangelical Minister........nope...just the Democratic candidates.
blaze @ 85:
Yes, that does matter. Most all forms of American music created over the last 35 years (more like 75 years) is rooted in black culture. So your history allows you a pass on this one, as it's quite possible you've used the term amongst your peers. As for preppy-boy Tucker, that's a different story.
senator obama seems a wise enough man that he can filter the useless b.s. that seems to be seeping out of every pore of this election process-not unlike the current president whom we all know is obscenely tone deaf. ANOTHER reason i'm voting for obama.
blaze @ 86:
If you haven't figured out that in America, if you look black, you are black then you must be living in a cave.
Obama's parents are NOT Tucker Carlson - big difference. I remember in the 60's, when being PC was not such a big deal, and Polack jokes were all the rave - there were Polack jokes thrown around at every family gathering because my father was Polish. But I was, and still am, offended by them when I hear one in a public setting.
There are double-sided rules for a lot of racial, ethnic, and sexual slurs - and one would think that Tucker has enough brains to know when he's crossed the line. But apparently he doesn't.
If Tucker Carlson continues with his racist remarks...he will be a coveted commentator on the Golf Channel.
why is the fucker still on air?
Biggus Diggus @ 21:
Hilarious! Just brightened my morning after having to read some sociopath's Republicanomics comment over on the Guilliani Tax Plan thread. There is a theory of mine that if every asshole just got regularly punched in the face, the world would be a better place. There's nothing like a good punch in the face every once in awhile to remind you that your still a human subject to physical forces :)
Why isn't this moron cancelled yet?
The "liberal" media is going to go after anybody who isn't a white male corporate tool. That's just the way it is. That's what their owners want.
Hillary (though I'm not thrilled with her) is SHRILL and emotional and Barack has a name that rhymes with Osama and was shuckin' and jivin' at press conferences. I recall when Pelosi first became speaker of the house there were sexist criticisms of her that NEVER would have been made about a MAN.
It amazes me that the "conservative, compassionate, morale" right has made this country such a dishonest dispicable place where lieing, law breaking and name calling and just plain hideous behavior by our so called leaders is "the way it's done." What a bunch of disgusting greedy hypocrites.
xam @ 29:
The insult you idiot is that Tucker is in the closet and refuses to come out. If you weren't so thin-skinned, you would be able to figure that out.
noone special @ 42:
Ask Clinton if he used the same phrase regarding Edwards. He hasn't. And, if you saw him on Charlie Rose's show attacking Obama, you would see what I meant by my statements. Clinton's attitude on Charlie Rose was "How dare that uppity Negro challenge my wife for POTUS..." which went down like a lead balloon.
poonchkie @ 78:
Thank you, poochkie, for your insight.
As a 48 year-old white male, I haven't had to deal with racism directed toward me, whether spoken or implied. Certainly a term such as "shuck and jive," which has its roots in racism, must be considerecd potentially offensive no matter what the context.
Kinda-sorta related case in point: here in SE Texas, I frequently run into people who display the confederate battle flag and claim, "it's heritage, not hate" and it's freedom of speech. When I point out that particular flag stood for a culture fighting a war to maintain slavery, and that many whose ancestors were enslaved find that flag greatly offensive, I usually get some tired old excuse about states' rights, most southerners didn't have slaves, blah, blah, blah. Yes, you have the RIGHT to fly that flag, but don't expect others to agree with you. And since that particualr flag flew WHEN FIGHTING AGAINST THE UNITED STATES, then you should have no problem when I call your heritage one of treason. (THAT always gets 'em going!) For those reasons, it shoudn't be flown at any public offices, and shouldn't be a part of any state flag.
I guess my point is that just because YOU don't find a phrase or expression offensive doesn't mean you should use it. I don't necessarily find the term "redneck" (or substitute your own word) offensive, but I won't use it out of consideration for your feelings and history, and the potential of offending you.
P.S. by the word "you" in the last 2 paragraphs of the previous post, I was referring to the confederte flag-flying type I described, not to those who read these posts.
Didn't he used to wear a clip on bow tie all the time? Did he finally learn how to do a Windsor Knot? The over-grown frat boy must be making an effort to look like an adult now. He needs to work on thinking before speaks and maybe the illusion will be complete.
Cuomo is an ass.
I had a similar personal experience many years ago when someone just happened to use a sorta racist term in reference to a black man. Back in my former life as a musician, we were auditioning bass players. The only black person that ever auditioned for us was IMHO great. Afterwards, my guitarist and friend of 8 years, a liberal guy, said he didn't like him. I was shocked and asked why.
"I don't know. He seemed kinda uppity."
"Uppity?!? Uppity?!!? Are you shittin' me?"
"What do you mean? It's a word - uppity."
I had never heard him use that word ever before or since, and he was clueless as to why I was shocked. He said it had nothing to do with the guy's race, but there you have it.
Clevenative,
I've been living in America for 58 years... and not in a cave. I have never subscribed to the "one drop of black blood makes you black" axiom. I do admit that many Americans think that way, but I'm not going to assume a falsity just because "America" assumes it. It really is freeing to avoid those traps.
I ask the question again. Why is Barack's mother a non-entity here? Why is Barack considered black and not white? I really believe these questions must be addressed or we end shouting "Racist" at people who are probably not racists.
I also contend, again, that Obama supporters are filtering all statements to look for racist overtones to use as leverage for their man. That, to me, is antithetic to the message of Barack Obama and reflects poorly on his feverish flock. Do they get his message? or not?
That's it keep passing on twisted quotes from the repugs. When I read the entire comment from Cuomo I noticed he never singled out any one persxon but directed his thoughts to candidates in general. So after we divined who he "really" meant and further divined what he "really" meant and steadfastly refuse to believe his follow up comments because we "know" everything about his dark soul we have come up with a statement of questionable taste. I'm glad the elections are only every 4 years because many of you make me sick.
Stay classy, Tuck.
How the hell does Tucker Carlson remain employed? Nobody likes him!
blaze @ 85:
It has nothing to do with left or right. It's a statement that's racist. Period. I didn't hear cuomo use that term when only whites were running.
You would think people would be ashame of cuomo using such a term.
I don't care if one is under 50 and don't know this is a slave term or a term used by slaves. Ignorance of history is no excuse.
If you don't know you are gonna know.
I say nip these racist terms in the bud before it gets real ugly.
Land of the free........ Make you think when something logical is said. Thank you for your comments, I appreciate someone with their head on their shoulders and not where the Presidents head has been stuffed for so many of our years. I think shuck and jive is what we have had to put up with with the Bush's.
poonchkie Says:
Please calm down people. Tucker Carlson is a dickweed has always been a dickweed, at least he got rid of that riduculous bow-tie he wore when his lips were firmly stuck to papa Bush’s lilly white ass cheeks in the 90s.
As a black person I am really tired of people blowing stupid statements out of proportion. One would think the Cuomo called Barack the n word or something. I think it was just a phrase. We can’t pretend like our great country is over it Y1K race issue, we aren’t. But if Obama’s skin is so thin as to take umbridge with such a nebulous comment, he is in the wrong profession.
It seems as though the news media is so desperate for controversy that every white person in the public eye is subject to being tarred and feathered for uttering what some may percieve as a racist comment. shuck and jive??? plueeze.
90 percent of people under the age of 40 probably didn’t even recognize the phrase as having anything to do with plantations, I know didn’t, I thought it meant shucking and jiving what ever that means.
Maybe Cuomo should have been more clear if his intent was to inflame the masses and maybe said something like “Obama is clean and articulate, just like the white candidates, I mean, he doesn’t assault the other candidates and stuff like that” kinda in the vein of Fox noise comedian Bill O’reilly when he ate at his first black owned restaurant (Sylvia’s in NY) “it was clean and the patrons weren’t saying stuff like hey b gimme some m-f tea” etc.
Race shaped this nation and will continue to be the burden of the USA, you can’t build a nation on the backs of slaves while calling it the land of the free and expect the progeny of the slaveholders, economic beneficiaries, and the slaves to suddenly come together as one nation. The horror of the institution lasted over 200yrs, the exploitation survived another 110yrs, the recovery, if we ever do recover, will take at least as long.
When I was a little girl in the late 50s my 2nd grade teacher told me any American citizen could grow up to be President. At the time I belived it, and maybe someday it will be true.
I appreciate the responses from both Matt and Dave.
I joined the Navy in 1973 and spent 8 years as an air traffic controller. Initially I was the only black female controller in an all white male job, you better believe that I was subjected to extreme racism/sexism, did it hurt, yep, did it stop me from being good at my job, nope. It was the price paid for opening a door, any black professional can attest to that. Did I consider all of my fellow sailors racist absolutely not. My mother taught me that there is good and bad but race does not determine which is which. I've met some wonderful people and some assholes both white and black.
I agree that racist comments are harmful but I find that the manipulation of the media pitting white against black, women against men, red states against blue states, and everyone against Mexicans/Muslims, more damaging than some overfed, shit for brains politician making stupid remarks. I just feel the anger is blown out of proportion.
I am more concerned with the fact that our election system has been co-opted by some very powerful and scary people. The Governor of Ill owning the company making the voting machines many of which were rigged. I was visiting Detroit during the 2004 election and the polling stations had few working machines and lines wrapped around the block as people waited for hours, some being forced to give up. Technically they were not denied the right to vote, just the ability. The crime was not restricted to just the black neighborhoods of Detroit but many predominately black cities in Florida as well. Where was good ole Jesse and Al then? When anyone is denied their basic Constitutional rights we all are.
The power brokers both Dem and Rep, will circle the wagons to protect their privilege.
While we go at each others throats over stupid comments and fluff issues, our very survival as a nation is slipping offshore.
While black folks are huffing and taking umbrage over a comment and white people are taking umbrage at being called racist, our country is being turned into a police state where not just young black men are considered dangerous, anyone who threatens the status-quo will find themselves fighting for their very freedom. Look around and realize that when our biggest growth industry is prisons, you better believe that they will find bodies to fill them.
shuck and jive? Okay it's not nice. But as citizens we are supposed to be in charge of OUR government. Do any of you really feel in charge? Just know that you too can be called an enemy-combatant and disappear.
America has changed dramatically since I was a child but I still had to tell my sons (now 30/31) that if you are pulled over by the police be sure to give them your military ID along with your license and reg.
Black men who have been beaten or shot by the police for driving-while-black would probably have preferred them to have just used racist language.
We are all Americans.
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