Meet The Press: Russert Hits Hillary Clinton On Race Right Out Of The Gate
By Logan Murphy Saturday Jan 12, 2008 11:01am
Tim Russert, has been tough, sometimes brutal on '08 presidential candidates and Senator Hillary Clinton's appearance on Meet The Press this morning was no exception. Russert began the interview with a story from a South Carolina newspaper dealing with race, and quoted black politicians and pundits who criticized her and Bill Clinton over what they perceived to be racial overtones toward Barack Obama.
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Forced to go on the defensive, Clinton was defiant, accusing Russert of not giving full quotes, and condemned the media for taking things she and her husband have said out of context. Given the framing of the questions, Hillary was cornered into clarifying her previous statements about Martin Luther King Jr. and defend her record on civil rights. Clinton held her own and was given ample time to defend herself and draw comparisons between her campaign and Barack Obama's, but this probably wasn't the way she wanted to start this interview.
John Amato: Emailer Andrew sent in this TNR piece which takes a quick look at the historical record of the civil rights movement in the 60's.
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L.A. Confidential @ 1:
So what's your point ?
The Clintons are racist bigots hillarious.
If you read the article, particularly the bulleted items, I think the point is pretty clear.
Here's what BO's people are worried about.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/27/politics/main3545171.shtml
If BO looses SC it's over.
Is ol' Bill running for President again? Hillary some advice to you. Tell Bill to shut up. Get him out of the spotlight. Are you not the one running for Prez? It seems moronic that people use the "she's a woman" bias excuse, and then her hubby goes out and fights her battles publicly.
As an uncommitted voter, I watched Meet the Press today. I was convinced that Hillary is the best candidate for the Dems this year and that she will make a great President. Her quality experience and leadership skills are what America needs and she will be well served by surrounding herself with high quality people. I am in Nevada and will now work hard to get Hillary elected. I think Obama and Edwards would both be strong winning candidates, but I think Hillary is the best choice. Hillary & Obama in 2008 would be an outstanding ticket!
My my...the Clinton's have learned from Rove, big time!
I am tired of both. The 'Clinton past' was better than these Bush years but it wasn't good enough to go through agian and again and again...
macaddict @ 7:
From the sidelines, I think she is too polarizing a politician. If she were to win the Presidency, nothing would get done in Congress or the Senate because of the fighting.
Oh, Hillary. You forgot all those corporate rights you have always voted for.
As I said on a previous thread, she had to spend 10 minutes defending what Bill has said about the "fairy tale". That was time she could have been talking about herself and selling herself. Too bad she had to do that. Then the subject of the men in the campaign "ganging up" on her. Another of her husbands comments. I think it's time for Bill to back off a little and let her be her own woman, and not his wife. It would make her look much stronger to me. It's her turn this time.
I'm not a big supporter of hers and I did so like many of the things Bill did. All that said, Bill was then, she is now.
I think she would be better off if she simply said her war vote was wrong. She could say at that time she trusted the president, but like so many other people discovered, that trust was misplaced and she had learned a valuable lesson. The public likes to hear people say they have learned while gaining experience.
Hillary is a snake. The more this campaign moves on, the more we get to see the true colors of the Clintons.
TRI-angulation, Same 'ole, Same 'ole......
It is also fair game to say HRC voted/endorsed an Attack on Iran?
I thought Hillary pretty much kicked ass this morning. The most interesting part was when Russert asked if Obama was qualified to be VP - Hillary did not react at all, but for me at least I think it is clear that if she and Obama can get together on this they could lock the whole thing down right now. I have been leaning towards Hillary as VP, but after this morning Obama should swallow hard and concede first place to her.
Why is it OK for the Clinton campaign to say that Hillary and Bill's words were "skewed"and "taken out of context" over the 'fairy tail' and 'kid' remarks about Barack Obama? They are skewing and taking out of context Obama's position on the war as we speak, and it just seems rather hypocritical. What's your take?
I guess we know who you're supporting, eh tballou?
;)
macaddict @ 7:
You don't sound too uncommitted to me...
Something I just noticed about Hillary's little crying game she last week. It was what she said "this is a personal issue, not just a political one or a public one". Once the wheels and the coffee got flowing this morning I started to remember hearing those words once before. Then I drank another cup and it occurred to me that I heard John Edwards say the exact same thing at the N.H. debates the Saturday before the emotional moment. He said this is a personal issue I feel in my heart, not just a political one or public one. She ripped off his words and turned on the tear faucet to help her campaign.
We need to start supporting John Edwards more in this campaign.
Obama should concede when polls show him with a slight edge?
I thought Clinton's interview was intersting. She made good points about the economy. But I couldn't stomach the parsing and spinning she did over her vote for the war in Iraq. I also kind of chuckled when she asserted she did not use gender as an issue in her campaign.
Sen. Clinton should send her husband home, or tell him to shut up when it comes to Obama.
The trouble is that too many Corporate Dimocrats still are in love with Bubba.
It is time to MOVE ON. When Barack talks about change, he's right, at least about changing this.
After 8 long miserable years of Bush, this is what the Democratic Party gets-Hillary Clinton. I am officially done with the Democratic Party!
Clinton very unfairly attacks the Obama campaign with no evidence.
If HRC is/has been the change agent everyone in the USA is talking about,
perhaps she would have brought up change first?
Again, she is chasing Obama's message!
What? no more Madiline Albright and other grey hairs behind you to represent
experience for change? Oh, that's right it's Youth for Change....
Ohio for Obama!!
L.A. Confidential @ 3:
Jon doesn't sem to remember that Clinton was more black than most when it came to his aid towards getting more diversity in Government.
Clinton is out there talking about the sputtering of the economic, but what she is
not saying is that some of the economic problems that is being experienced today is a residual effect of Bill Clinton's economic policies, eg. American jobs being shipped overseas which started on Bill Clinton's watch. Does anyone remember the "Downsizing of America".....
Sany @ 21:
I empathazie with this statement. if after all these years, this is who we choose to undo the damage, the Democrats deserve to lose.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0icVblxh2dI
anyone that is 4 obama should hope bill takes a bigger role
he has been terrible in her campaign and cost her more votes than he gains
i love it - now the clintons are racist
goodbye south carolina and nevada score two for obama
clintons give it up you guys are scum
budda @ 28:
budda BOOM!!!
:)
White voters are not going to be happy with Obama's camp and their racist charges.
No one is going to sign-up for 4 years of race wars worrying every statement anyone makes about Obama is going to be flipped by the likes of Sharpton into a racism.
Obama's response:
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you people suck.... it wasnt a crying game... she got choked up about how she feels about her country.... like we all should......
she kicked timmy's ass today... from the beginning... he had trouble looking her directly in the face...... his demeanor was cowed dislike, distrust and hostility.. she looked him straight in the eye and answered every goddamn question he asked. some of them were pretty tough.. he even mentioned monica by name........ she proved once again that she is tough enough and ready to be president if that is the best they can throw at her...
the reason she won in new hampshire..... was because people are afraid to put a rookie in the whitehouse .... and people are realizing obama can inspire... but THAT ISNT ENOUGH.
maybe there is a place for a secretary of talking like a preacher type inspiration.
but i want a nuts and bolts candidate who can tell me what the fuck they are gonna do for me... not someone who makes me dream of a "shining city on the hill".......... not someone i would like to "have a beer with"..... i want someone like hillary.. and im not HYPMOTYZED by obama's southern baptis ministerical rants.
other than that.. i really have no opinion except to say...... you all suck.
Bill seems to think she can't win without him. She should be worried that she can't win with him. It appears that he is her attack dog because she can't do it herself. He's acting like his words shield her from having to say them. He looks like she needs him to attack for her and that does nothing to show her own strength.
Hilary has every right to explain her positions and to note to contrasts between MKL,JFK and then BO..... How dare the Obama campaign now make this into a RACE issue. I was voting for Obama, now,,,, Well I may go to Edwards.
kevin @ 32:
Hillary followers trudge on blindly behind her, they need to take off those blinders and begin seeing the bigot that she is. Hey Hillary nurds, she does NOT care about you, she only cares about getting your vote to put her a in position she thinks America owes her! Hillary is about Hillary and Hillary only!!!
John, thanks for adding the TNR piece. It's good to remind people of the history of the civil rights movement. Clinton was right on point when she said it took BOTH King and Johnson to make civil rights legislation happen in this country. Obama's folks are foolish to try and make this a contest of racism vs sexism. That is a battle in which everyone loses.
BAC
joanie @ 346:
Wow. Here we go with the "Oreo" explanation - what horrid comments! "More white", how do you paint yourself out of that corner without sounding like a jerk? You talk about "white guilt", meanwhile the Clinton campaign blantantly pushed "feminist guilt". Is there really a difference? Go ahead and vote Clinton with her whopping 4 more years of senatorial experience - which gave her enough time to be around to authorize one of the worst blunders of the century.
Ever notice how Hillary always talks about the Iraq War tragedy in terms of American fatalities and casualties?
She doesn't give a rats arse about the 600,000 dead and four million ethnically cleansed Iraqi refugees.
Ought to tell you what Hillary thinks a Muslim and/or Arab life is worth. To her, their lives aren't worth mentioning.
(Of course, if she felt any sense of shame or conscience about those deaths, she'd only remind voters that she was a gung-ho warrior princess authorizing the president to "shock and awe" them in the first place.)
Hillary wants to hit Pause-Repeat in Iran, and we're being told by the Hillarytards that she's not a racist, believes in human rights and comes in peace. All-righty, then.
#227, Authorization for the use of force IS authorizing a war. The inspectors had already been and were in Iraq at the time. Get your facts straight. So many unsuspecting sheep believing Hillary's deceipt and spin, unbelievaable!! Carry on. Maybe you'll volunteer to serve in the military when she attacks Iran?? That is, of course, IF she is elected Prez. which I doubt!! Hillary is responsible for the lives lost in Iraq, and for the maiming of so many, and for the mental, emotional, physical condition of our service men and women. Geeze, I don't see Chelsea joining the military, she has some cushy, over-paid job!! Indeed, Hillary does NOT care about our military personnel at all. Well one thing is for certain, our military will NOT vote for her!!!
Did anyone notice that even though Obama has not commented or called the Clintons a racist they are trying to spin it that way saying his campaign has brought race into campaign.
jules @ 357:
She sure would love to shake that racist Iraq War resolution vote, wouldn't she? She pandered to the worst instincts of Americans hatred of Muslims in 2002, and she's undoubtedly prepared to pander to the Democratic base in 2008 to shake the memory of that racist vote. Some Americans have incredibly short memories, so that part of her strategy could actually succeed.
I'm sure she'd love to have Webb on board. I just hope if she asks him, if he truly knows what she's all about, that he'll reply by politely telling her to take her dog & pony show somewhere else. She's a phony, and in his heart and in his brain I'm sure he knows it.
evenplayingfield @ 142:
You are all going to eat those words if she becomes the President. If you hate her because of her name, you deserve to be utterly shocked when you see her act in a manner consistent with her long history of votes, speeches, marches, and so on and so forth. And don't give me crap about how she 'voted to go to war,' because she didn't. Read the bill and find out in detail what it says, because again, you'll be shocked. Don't tell me that her calling the Guard in Iran is a 'vote for war,' because it isn't. The Revolutionary Guard has to be accountable for its actions. You know who else should be? George W. Bush. Blame the current President if he breaks the law, but don't blame those who have followed it in the past.
Here we go again. All this Hillary bashing. Are'nt we suppose to support our own. THIS is what the republicans DO. I always thought 'they' were the meanest people in the world. No one was any meaner than 'THEY' were. Talk radio (dem radio) is even worse. Stephanie Miller is almost 'the meanest person in the world' and laughs and cackles and humilates Hillary,all morning long. We should'nt stoop to GOP levels. I'll bet THEY are enjoying all this,all the way to the White House.
Im in love with PEACE ATTACK... but he and/or she is wrong. It is hard to believe that Hillary is evil. I don't know if that qualifies presidency, but blood thirsty racist? But, i love the anger.... Its SEXY!
I'm not a Hillary supporter...but I've got to say, she handed Russert his lunch. It's really a shame the way Crooks and Liars slants their reaction to the interview to make it seem as though she was defensive and overmatched. The truth of the matter is...she was pretty good, and Russert sounded whiny.
jules @ 368:
Since when did *WE* liberals become warmongers? She's not one of us. She's a neocon in a skirt, who'll do and say anything to pander to voters. It's time to save the Democratic Party from the Clintons, the way the Republican Party needs to be rescued from the Bushes.
Who deos PEACE ATTACK like?
Hail to the Chimp @ 347:
First of all, Bob Johnson was quoting Obama on the: ‘I want to be a reasonable, likable, Sidney Poitier ‘Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner.’ So he called himself out on wanting to be the safe, non-confrontational black man that doesn't scare white people to death.
Who's better than HRC? Obama? Edwards? Same freakin people! They aren't real libs. They all will bow down when the time comes. No real lib could win.
PEACE ATTACK @ 356:
Yes, because I should take someone named "PEACE ATTACKS" seriously? But I'll bite.
You are right that Hillary Clinton is the one running, but the comments by a former (and ultimately very popular) ex-President regarding the current candidates would be interesting and news-worthy even if he weren't related to one of the front-runners in the election. But he is, making it harder for him to remain silent when the news media is dedicated to staying silent about Barack Obama's past, his voting record, and so forth, while chastising Hillary Clinton for one or two votes (that are being represented disingenuously, to boot) and ignoring all of the work she has done over the years to the benefit of the United States.
You calling Hillary Clinton racist shows that you're ignorant of her history as well. It's a charge you will need to back up, because a talking-point being repeated doesn't become true with repetition. All you've done is offer a weighty, incredibly insulting charge and I think it's a good thing you aren't being interviewed on television - for your sake. Do the words 'libel' and 'slander' mean anything to you?
Your final paragraph is proof that you're not credible or worthwhile. You list a shitload of things for which President Bush and his corrupt administration are responsible but blame Hillary and Bill Clinton. Offer proof that they are "neocons," because I find it hard to think of someone who is (if votes are any indication, and I think they damn well ought to be) pro-choice, pro-gay civil unions, for further restrictions on corporations, for banning assault weapons (generally pro-gun control), pro-embryonic research (stem cells), anti-war (yes, her record generally is - alarming, I know!), against the U.S. occupation of Iraq, plans to withdraw the U.S. soldiers responsibly (ie, in a manner that doesn't entirely fuck over the government we've spent all of this cash and time trying to prop up), ending combat operations entirely, wants to end dependence on foreign oil, wants to work on paying off America's big debt, for making the changes necessary to protect the environment and the Earth in general, wants to end no-bid contracts in America, supports huge reform and investment in the education system, rated "0%" and "anti-family" by the much-maligned and hideously conservative Christian Coalition, supports a strong diplomatic effort in resolving foreign issues, pro-universal healthcare, anti-torture, pro-immigration and methods for illegal immigrants to achieve legitimate citizenship, pro-unions, voted with her party about 97% of the time, and on and on it goes. How can you dub her a conservative with a straight face? That means, if voting is to be counted when considering nominees (and again, it should) that 97% of the Democratic Party is 'neoconservative.' And that means that you have very poor knowledge of political science!
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How come all of a sudden, Obama voting yes for the patriot act became a non issue?
Why are HRC supporters so consistently negative? She is very qualified but she is a divisive candidate. I'm not bashing her. She's made a career out of divisive positions and absolutes. The biggest drawback if HRC is the Pres? She's a babyboomer. I'm supporting Obama not because I completely hate the Clintons, but because I can think of no better way for us to repair our damaged reputation as a country than to elect a well-spoken and qualified, African-American politician who is inspiring and is not a child of the 1960s. That decade was extremely formative but it's time for us to move on. Another Clinton presidency will be another round of alleged scandals both real and falsified, war in the legislature, and little to show for it. I have a lot of respect for her, but we really do need "change", and not only for the reasons everyone is yapping about. Please try and be a little more civil with each other. We're supposed to be on the same team.
GOOD POINT NYGUY!!! Face it! All these Dems are the same. Who do you like? The Strong Woman?!! The Positive Black Guy?!! or The Sunny White Man?!! Different cover same canidate.
Shawnmeat @ 367:
I've often wondered how so many people in the U.S. were so easily convinced that Saddam and Osama were the same person. The Iraq War Resolution was not a vote to go to war; HRC's fear mongering about the imminent threat of Saddam and his WMD didn't mean she was in favor of the Iraq War; the Revolutionary Guard must be held accountable (now Iran is responsible for 9/11?); white is black; up is down; Hillary is experienced.
The millions of people who are finally embarrassed about their Bush votes in the last two elections and their unquestioning support of the Iraq War have found another candidate. Hmmm... I wonder which one.
PEACE ATTACK you are still f**kin sexy!
nyguy @ 377:
Because the Clinton camp realized it was a loser for them. Just read the Wired blog article. Obama was one of the main people campaigning for the revisions in the Patriot Act. And then Hillary checked her record and found out she voted for it too.
ed noble @ 370:
I concur with your account of this interview, however I would have to say that Russert always sounds whiny.
fiver @ 380:
This type of revisionist history is embarassing. Hillary Clinton voted to go to use force against Iraq, so did John Kerry, and so did John Edwards. Two of the people mentioned have stated their vote was a mistake. Hillary Clinton doesn't want to be seen as a bumbling dumbass so she has consistently stood by her vote.
PEACE ATTACK did you leave? NO! please come back!
I think peace attack has trouble with someone in a skirt
Check Hillary talking XD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyC7loMop58
After I've seen this video I have nothing to say but Dwaaahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!! Oh, Hillary How funny you are! My stomach is hurting! How come you bet for hitting the White House???
Shawnmeat @ 375:
This is beyond simple ignorance. A Walmart Director is pro-union and can be trusted to restrict corporate behavior? The largest recipient of insurance money in either party should be trusted with universal health care? Black is white; down is up; Hillary is a progressive.
"How can you dub her a conservative with a straight face?" Easily. She took a no-vacancy directorship from Sam Walton; her legal career focused on serving Big Business and against people (because Coca-Cola needs protection against the disabled); and because Big Business knows she is their best economic conservative in either party. She receives more corporate cash than Huckabee, Romney and Giuliani combined.
Commie @ 372:
Dennis Kucinich.
Jonah Goldberg is a douchebag in a bad suit. A damn ignorant douchebag.
jules @ 386:
I don't have any problem with women, in skirts or wearing pants. What I do have trouble with are racist warmongers who tell Arabs, "We come in peace," the same way warpigs last century told the Polish, "We come to liberate and modernize you." I also have difficulty are Hillary's zombie supporters who make excuses for her contribution to the carnage. Warpigs always bang the drums of violence talking a good game about human rights, liberty and civilization, telling us the way to advance those ideals are bullets, bombs, mortar attacks, missiles, torture, rape rooms, and then they blame others when it blows up in their faces. At least John Kerry and John Edwards displayed some shame and remorse for their dumbass war resolution votes. Not Hillary. She's an unapologetic psychopath with blood on her hands, licking her chops to start bombing and killing and ethnically cleansing Persians in Iran. Like the neocon men, she's a very sick woman.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22634967/ heres the complete transcript from this mornings show....
C'mon peace attack......a little harsh, don't you think ?
peace attack ..calling HRC a racist just makes you look ..............uninformed.,,and Commie.....geeezzz what kind of drugs are you on?...........fools.
I doubt Hillary is a racist, but I have no doubt that she and Mark Penn (her personal Karl Rove) will use racism every time they think they can gain an advantage.
Now I know why these partisan websites can be so revolting. Why can't you pro-Clinton zombies admit that the only reason Hillary is in the thick of politics is because of her husband. He's the one with the gold dust, the magic personality. And why would anyone - ANYONE - support such a pathetic candidate - someone who cries on cue because her handlers tell her to look more human. If any of you have any brains (and maturity), you'll vote for one the person who is articulate, courageous and intelligent - that would be Obama. Do really want the first woman president to ride into the oval office on the coattails of her husband? What kind of liberal-feminists are you? Grow up,,,,,
jp @ 22:
What bothered me was anytime Russert read something that sounded negative or showed a video
Hillary responded that she was glad to respond to false accusations by the Obama compaign . WTF!
The video and comments read or shown to her were either out of her own mouth or Bills.
Obama's Response
You are right!!!! what a spin by the Obama Campaign
whiteyfresh @ 35:
Hillary had a beer with reporters the other day...OOPS that was supposed to go HERE...
Hillary fights back against the usual Russert smear, and she's "polarizing." For Obama supporters, apparently, ageism and sexism are just fine. When it's positive for him, Obama's cool about race. When it might pry some of Hillary's black supporters away in South Carolina and Michigan, then he's going to distort what she said, and get the editorial writers (Bob Herbert) and black talk radio to wonder aloud about her. Got to admire his combination of nice, if a little blue-dog, speeches and brass-knuckle Chicago politics. But that's all it is.
kevin @ 32:
"you all suck" Did you make that phrase up all by yourself or did you hear it somewhere else?
Jim H @ 41:
And apparently sexism is an absolute no no with the Hillary camp but racism is just fine and dandy. What is your point?
ed68 @ 36:
Do really want the first woman president to ride into the oval office on the coattails of her husband?
I just had to repeat that line. It's a good one. Did everyone get it? Here it is again:
Do really want the first woman president to ride into the oval office on the coattails of her husband?
By inviting potential voters to view and vet every political criticism of, and every political criticizer of, Obama and his campaign statements and appeals through the prism of racism, his campaign is now directly contradicting and weakening his message of "change" and his assertion that he is the candidate who can get us beyond, or help us rise above, our acrimonious racial history. The new, negative storyline the campaign is now pushing is the kind of storyline the media loves, so it is a tactic guaranteed to get attention in the media. But, that attention is likely to have long term negative fall out. They are destroying their successful message of "hope" and "change" and replacing it with racism-in-every-statement/even-our-friends-are-racist/"Bradley affect" storylines. Those storylines say "we CAN win", don't promote confidence and build on the African American community's natural desire to see, and help, one of their own succeed, and don't promote hope in the white community that racial animosity can be over-come. Instead, they promote hopelessness, paranoia and cynicism.
Sorry, that should have read "those storyline DON'T say we CAN win."
whiteyfresh @ 35:
Hillary was choked up because people can't see how super duper great she is and was sad that we're all missing out at her clearly superior campaign. I mean seriously, just like everything else in her campaign, those tears were all about HERSELF. Everything she says is "I this" "I that" - its not about the Democrats, about the people, its HER - she got upset because she thought she was going to LOSE.
jules @ 393:
Harsh? Yes. But if you had a family member dead or maimed, or had been ethnically cleansed and turned out of your house to make a run for refugee camps in the desert, or had a son who came home with brain trauma and stress disorders, all because the neocons and useful idiot Hillary Clinton thought an invasion against Arabs made them look macho, pandering to the worst instincts of American hatred of Muslims and Arabs, just to win votes, you might say I was actually being rather polite compared to her ugliness and cruelty. She may honestly believe she means well, but psychopaths always lie to themselves and delude others. Her apologists really are like zombie cult members, excusing her for every sin under the sun.
Quote from peggy Noonans book, "The Case Against Hillary Clinton" published in 2000
"The Clinton behave as though they are justified in using any tactic in pursuit of their goals. These include but are not limited to misleading constituents on serious and crucial issues; evading responsibiliity for government and administration mistakes, derelictions, and scandals, taking actions that are damaging to others but beneficial to the Clintons; smearing opponents and critics; ruining the lives of perceived enemies; and lying." .... "They believe they are justified in using any means to achieve their ends for a simple and uncomplicated reason. It is that they are superior individuals whose gifts and backgrounds entitle them to leadership." --- "Even the way she looks is a fction. For the past seven years, as we all know, it has changed constantly. This did not, as Bill Clinton biographer David Maraniss has noted, start in the White House. He told Chris Mathews in 1999 that Hillary has always been "her own Rorschach test." You never know who or what she'll be."
There you folks, the Clintons of yesteryear and the Clintons today. America Beware!!!
Peace Attack....This looks like it should be George Bush's in-box not Hillarys,
Would somebody tell me how it is that Obama says that he does not want to go back to the "status quo" and on stage we see him embracing the status quo - John Kerry. This proves that Obama will say and do anything to get elected. It is far beyond comprehension how some people can get caught in the moment and vote for someone based on a speech. They did the same thing with Bush and look where it got us. It is time for you people to start using some critical thinking when it comes to chosing a president.
the idea that the clintons are bigots is not backed up by facts. check the record on race, its very clear with the clintons. Also take a look at the actual comments bill clinton made and tell me how it shows racism? check it out at blogflict - blog.iconflict.com
fiver @ 311:
Everyone is disgusted by everyone else, because everyone is so much smarter than everyone else, and everyone is the only person who 'gets it.'
In short, cut the crap about what Americans 'deserve.'
You point out that Clinton worked as a corporate lawyer, which is true, but end the sentence with something you've undoubtedly read on the back of a fourteen year-old's anarchist pamphlet. I guarantee that you know extraordinarily little about Hillary Clinton's time as a corporate lawyer when you offered that simplistic, laughable statement. Don't go about insulting the intelligence of the 'average American' while acting appalled that some of them are considering voting for Clinton. Perhaps they aren't simple-minded bigots who think anyone with corporate experience is clearly a monster, ignoring the myriad benefits Clinton gained from that job in terms of financial savvy, as well as some of the good things she could have easily accomplished.
The same can be said regarding your comment about the Iraq resolution. I've mentioned it a hundred times, and I'll mention it another hundred times, simply because one or two people might actually shut up and do some real research: the bill authorizing the invasion of Iraq had provisions in place that would have prevented George W. Bush from invading had he given a shit about little things like 'the law.' It required U.N. Security Council approval, it required for definite proof of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and so forth. But you can call her a warmonger for that if you like, as well as a gigantic chunk of Democrats and all of their supporters. Good thing we have someone around here who just knows better.
Mark Penn is no shining beacon of hope and light, and I'm not his biggest fan (I don't feel as though I have to like every aspect of a candidate to consider them the best option, frankly), but to say he's equivalent to Karl Rove? Yes, and Rove is more or less Hitler, ad infinitum. Again, these are childish arguments, rooted in conjecture - the opposite of 'facts' that most self-respecting people make sure to have on their side before lobbing about shit they've overheard or read part of somewhere.
As Bill Maher (someone who has been openly critical of Hillary Clinton) said on a recent episode of his show: If you hate Hillary Clinton (as opposed to, say, simply deciding that she isn't someone you'd consider voting for), it says a heck of a lot more about you as a person than it does her. So, please - stop reducing counter-arguments to your supposed revelatory 'facts' about Hillary Clinton by pretending they're merely indignant shouts of "...wha?!" and nothing else. There is a massive amount of crap in what you've said, and it turns out the world isn't one of extremes but endless shades of grey. So, no, the woman is not the Devil and in fact has countless strong points in her favour. Like it or not, that's why she has her share of supporters.
fiver @ 380:
Incidentally, I'm a Canadian who is considered 'radically left' by his peers. To quip, 'radically left' in the U.S. is 'moderately liberal' in Canada. I bet you didn't know that, since you were operating on a simplistic rationalization and all.
Clay @ 384:
Except - it wasn't a vote to use force against Iraq. It was a long bill, and one worth reading if you're going to be throwing individuals--liberals, no less--under the bus for it.
PEACE ATTACK @ 396:
Blah, blah, blah. Go right for the gut, because that's better than reason, right? Go back to listening to "Rage Against the Machine" who also had a video arguing that there was absolutely no difference between Al Gore and George W. Bush. History is a funny thing.
fiver @ 388:
I'm starting to think you're a satirist - the kind to make even Stephen Colbert blush.
'A director of a company or some other kind of executive can never be pro-union! It's impossible!' And while doing so, you accuse me of ignorance. Brilliant. Just brilliant.
Why should she be trusted with healthcare? Because it's to her what the environment is to Al Gore - her passion. That she has received money and still offered a pretty cool healthcare plan that would have turned America upside-down in the nineties ought to tell you something. It didn't go through because she had been too secretive with it, of course, but also because there was a machine at work - a smear campaign run by the Republicans who were even more sexist then than they are now. Then came the Senate and House being lost by the Democrats to the Republicans, and the rest is history.
I don't blink when politicians take money, even from unlikely sources. What I do judge is what they do with the money, and where their loyalty lies. Votes ultimately tell that story, and Hillary is everything I said above. You take one or two disparate nuggets of information and blow them up to epic proportions, like a FOX News executive would. By this logic, you should hate Barack Obama because he voted to preserve the Patriot Act in its entirety. But you don't, because you're a hypocrite trying to justify an emotional, irrational dislike of Hillary Clinton and a fondness for individuals like Barack Obama - who is 98% similar to Hillary Clinton when it comes down to votes.
Clay @ 382:
So what that Obama campaigned for revisions of the Patriot Act? He voted for it and I remember this was a huge issue on this website. How can you defend it?
PEACE ATTACK @ 366:
In 2002 she publicly demanded that George W. Bush use the bill responsibly and its provision regarding possible war with Iran a last resort. She also reminded him, in the same speech, that diplomatic solutions with the U.N. must ultimately fail. And this was after being offered the now-infamous intelligence report that turned out to be hideously flawed. But most Americans were misled, a point that is often overlooked while criticizing Hillary Clinton. Is she to never trust intelligence reports again? It was Bush and his administration that doctored the information as they saw fit to 'build a case' against Iran. The man and his cronies should be thrown into jail, and the rest of us just a little bit wiser. And you can bet your ass that Hillary Clinton is a little wiser - although consistent in her principles that armed conflict is always, always, always to be the last resort, after diplomacy has been tried in earnest and has failed.
Shawnmeat @ 407:
Shawnmeat...thank you for the rational intelligent responses........some people are so filled with hate for HRC....that it blinds them.It does say alot more about them than her.
Shawnmeat @ 407:
Perhaps the principled hillary clinton should of read the N.I.E.
mudshark @ 394:
lol, commies comments were pretty amusing though.
If one reviews the chronology of events, it is the Clinton campaign that started the spin on the race issue. The Clintons seemed deliberate on spinning the issue so that they can divide the black voting bloc. In addition, why is it that HRC is allowing others to play dirty for her, and not admit her own faults, such as voting for the Iraq war? Being a woman, I am appalled that she playing such a dirty game. Is she that desperate? Is she not confident enough with her resume that she resorts to taking low blows at the opponent? HRC, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Did anyone watch this weeks Bill Maher Show? He made a remark"Those who hate HC....It says more about YOU!"...................I agree with him on this one.
Shawnmeat,
It's good to know that Hillary's outsourcing of American jobs has begun with the hiring of a "Canadian" to work the net on her behalf. Is she paying you as well as her Walmart employees? What? She's not paying you anything? Well, that's pretty close. You should check out that Walmart Health Plan; it's the same one Hillary brought to America as First Lady. Perhaps that's why health insurance companies give her more cash than any Republican. But hey, it doesn't matter where the money comes from. Right?
Please make some more references to FOX News executives, but you'd better start calling them "progressive" because Peter Chernin, the Chief Operations Officer of Newscorp (FOX's parent corp) is, along with other Newscorp execs, a huge Hillary supporter and, in May of '07, threw her a fundraiser that netted her $850,000.00 in one night. But maybe FOX and Newscorp have turned progressive.
I especially appreciate your pointing out that corporate executives (especially a director of the biggest union-busting corporation in America in the past five decades) are really "pro-union". It's right up there with Hillary not voting for the Iraq War. I suppose I could point out that numerous links have been posted on this thread with video of HRC's warmongering, but when a self-described member of the "radical left" repeatedly asserts that Hillary never supported the Iraq War, it becomes clear that all this video (and audio, and print quotes, etc.) must be fake. I'm "shocked." Jim Henson is still alive and has created a Hillary muppet!
BTW I never called you ignorant. I said this was "beyond simple ignorance." You've obviously been well versed in the HRC party line - including calling my "dislike" of Hillary "irrational" and "childish" despite my providing numerous rather adult and quite "rational" reasons why I believe she is wrong for the presidency. I fought against a Bush presidency as well and that opposition to this day is accused of simply being "irrational Bush hatred." It's a cheap, right-wing media tactic... but at least you didn't call me a misogynist.
Peace.
I get the impression that Mr. Obama is trying to rewrite history. If it is true that Mr. Obama is a College Professor than he should know this. He thinks he is Abraham Lincoln, John Kennedy and Martin Luther King all role into one. Damn....it must get crowded in there, talk about split personalities!
I wish he would except history for what it is. Tells me he is very unhappy with it.
this is just a ploy to destroy the unity of the democratic party. they want to make it so everyone stays home if hillary wins the nomination. and they have diebold to make sure hillary wins the primaries, just like NH.
Shawnmeat @ 407:
Kyl-Lieberman. Iran. Another Hillary vote Aye! You just lost your ass.
she also uses her husband as one of her hatchet men and he sounds more ignorant and vitriolic than I ever could have imagined, especially when he targets Obama.
I used to buy the Clinton bullshit about being the first black president. But as I watch this campaign unfurl, I see two political whores that have lost track of anything but their blind ambition. I see HRC as willing to bring down the house if she can't win. I see why she polls so well with republicans, she's a Lieberman democrat.
Hillary seemed very scripted and defensive to me. She would have been better served to actually admit she made a few mistakes and then explain what she learned from them. Instead she tried to spin everything in her favor and then went on the offensive against Obama, Bush and everyone else. She is smart and I agree with many of her her positions, but I wish she would ditch the lawyers and the pollsters and try to find her own voice for once.
Tim Russert was TOTALLY DISHONEST regarding Bill Clinton's "fairy-tale' comment...
and he did not allow Hillary an opportunity to explain the context.
THE CONTEXT was that Obama's "anti-war consistancy" is a fairy tale, because he has been supportive of the war in recent years by voting FOR FUNDING.
That's an honest and accurate statement.
Russert was dishonest in the way he edited the material by not including the context of the statement. THAT was a PURE BILL O'REILY MOMENT. Are you proud, Timmeh?
Damn, over 400 comments by the time I log on and put in my two centavos. First off, I am a Hillary supporter. I figure we could do a lot worse. I know, I know, she's been awfully chummy with the lobbyists and various corporate interests, but hey, until we find a way to publicly finance elections and avoid First Amendment problems with banning lobbyists, these people will always be with us. And, yeah, it may be that Obama's lack of experience is a plus, but he appears to me to lack substance, and that is a big problem for me.
I am saying all this as predicate to pointing out a major Doublespeak on Hill's part on the Russert show, just so I am not perceived as yet another Clinton critic (of which C&L's comments seem to have an abundance). Instead of simply saying, "Barack voted no on the Iraq authorization and I voted yes and he appears to have been prescient and I wasn't," she makes a Bush-like error in failing to admit she screwed up. Well, somewhat. Actually, she explained to Russert that the authorization was not so broad as to permit a preemptive strike on Saddam.
Then she had to go on blabbing about how Obama turned around and voted in favor of the additional funding for the war. This was intended, ostensibly, as proof of Obama's hypocrisy for pointing a finger at Hill for voting "for" the war in the first place. Logic proves this a pathetic attempt, for it ignores the plain truth that Dems wanted to cover their collective ass by sending Arbusto a bill that did not contain withdrawal deadlines just to get the money flowing again. The thinking on the hill was obvious: the Dems didn't want to be seen as depriving the troops of arms and ammo in the middle of an armed conflict, a shooting war.
Hill allowed as to how "we didn't have the votes" to override Arbusto's veto of all bills providing for deadlines, to the sad result that, perhaps with pressure from the Iraq Study Group, the administration finally substituted a euphemism called "benchmarks." I only wish Hill had simply admitted Obama correctly second-guessed Arbusto & Company, then pointed out that both candidates were trapped into voting for a continuation of the conflict. (If you really think Obama can live up to his promise of ending the war the day he takes office, I have a large, tall white-colored obelisk at the west end of the National Mall in Washington, D.C., that I would like to sell you...cheap. At least Hill realizes that withdrawal will be a long, drawn-out, complex operation.)
Other than that, I kind of agree with tballou, that Hill kicked ass on Russert. But my younger brother saw it to, and he says, "I just donno if I want to spend four to eight years looking at Billary."
BHillaryVisionism.
Bill and Hillrevisionary deserve each other for certain.
The people of the United States don't any longer.
Most disheartening is how Billaryvision thinks the electorate is not hearing what they've said, and should believe what they are saying now.
Is Karl Rove working for HRC, or did she really fall for the tricks in KR's stolen playbook?
And of all people to speak for Hilarious' charachtier, the guy who put all the titty thug videos on his channel, and let go of Ed Gordon, their only real reporter? She's happy to have one of the least respected black businessmen, a guy widely regarded as worse than a sellout, (BET is really part of Viacom/CBS) she's liking this moron speakin' fuh huh?
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No wonder, Edwards has lowest ratings because the pollsters are not mentioning his name in any of their polls.
Come on folks, this stinks.
And just how many Hillarybots are simply cutting and pasting their way through this page?
Face it folks, she came off as very combative. She could not defend her Iraq vote. In the manner of Rove, if you suck, make the other guy look like they suck more. Title of 'the' report was what???? And because the quotes of Bhillarevisionistas clearly back up their hidden racism, they will lose not only black support, but credibility with everyone.
She came off as being annoyed this ant was at her picnic, like Gore at that debate with Bush where Gore seemed annoyed he was on the stage with an undeserving intellectual lightweight.
Are we not tired of politicians giving us bulls*** like Bhillaryvisionista? Are there there that many people who want to do the same thing the same way and get the same result? Nafta. Monica.
Are we not tired of politicians who say they've been working for the public for 35 years who cannot explain how they got that number. Let's google how long they've been in Chappaqua, shall we. Can we not add.
Can we not get Bhillrayvizionism does not add up?
Isn't there enough revisionism in the Bush legacy to go further backward by voting for HRC?
hillary and bill are royal frauds who are full of themselves...they just cant deal with the fact that a lot of Afro Americans actually have BRAINS!!
well all have brains of course a lot are using much to bill and hill's chagrin
"Meet The Press: Russert Hits Hillary Clinton On Race Right Out Of The Gate
By: Logan Murphy on Sunday, January 13th, 2008 at 9:01 AM - PST"
A lot of hyperbole in the title. Hillary did well for herself. She fought back. I would like to know how do Obama supporters want their candidate treated during the election. With kid gloves?
I would be more impressed with Obama and his campaign if he was not turning out to be so thin skinned. If Obama becomes the Democratic candidate; does he plan to complain to, and request from the Republicans not to use the race card, but rather to be civil and work in the spirit of bipartisanship during the elections? Obama makes nice speeches for the pulpit but; if as he claims, he has enough experience I would have expected him to be inured to his opponents using the race card. Democrats do not need a fight over race or gender. The country needs somebody that will start repairing the crash-landing of a mess that the republicans have so far left in our country.
I saw as a bad omen that he got and accepted the endorsements from senator Kerry and the other fainthearted democratic senators. If he wins, I hope he does not follow their advice. Kerry had a good shot at winning, but instead of fighting like a cornered animal the accusations and framing of the republicans, he chose instead to ride his sail boat, and worse in plain view, giving the repubs more ammunition to frame him as a weak flip flopper. What a disaster that election was for Democrats.
Obama needs to grow thicker-skinned if he plans to go through that Republican meat grinder. Clinton may not be the best candidate, but so far she is fighting.
You'd think that after 8 years of George W. we would be happy to have a president who could put together a coherent, uplifting sentence. When did it become "nothing" to speak well? Why is that a reason to diminish Obama's message or his campaign? Words and ideas are vital, I think. They demonstrate judgment, an ability to reason and a vision of leadership. What else do we have to go on?
Senator Clinton wants to put everybody else issues on the table as she claims it is all fair game so lets talk about the issues she is guilty of.
She voted for this illegal war and has the Gaul to not even apologize for her miss judgment, saying if she knew then what she now knows, she would not have voted for it. Well if any of the elected officials would or should have known what Senator Clinton and her husband had to know, as they have so much so called experience in the White House over all the rest, including the groups of people who took the time and read the bill as she simply took the word of George Bush and because of this, there is blood all over her and her husbands hands.
President Clinton used his so call good judgment to give us NAFTA, and because of his not securing the rights of American workers, we are now looking at unemployment by the millions and still counting the loss of jobs and this action also created a double blow to American citizens, because they also lost their health care and retirement benefits, and even worse, people of color are the main targets of her corporate friends and the impact does not stop there, because unsuspecting whites are also included in this group.
President Clinton is also used his judgment to give these major media junkies, that we are now down to six rich white guys, that own operate and control all the media in this country. And by the way Senator Clinton just got a huge endorsement from none other then this fool that sold out his own race of people, when he now shows his appreciation for making him on of the richest black men in this country. She got the Johnson endorsement whom sold out black America' BET, the only black owned media in this country to the Rupert Murdock gang. They all go hand in hand.
She is currently running all over Las Vegas speaking about helping people whom are caught up with this mess of losing their homes as they were simply cheated by her friends in the corporate world with these predatory loan's.
Now she voted for the Bankruptcy bill, that prevented these same people from filing law suites against the very criminals that was protected by this woman. We don't need her or any of the rest of these people to fight our battles. Just make the system fair and we can do it ourselves and that way it will be done right.
If they are going to run on experience, then they need to come forth with just how this so called experience has helped the people of this country and not just words, used to best someone else whom just may be using better judgement.
Dick Morris has always been a pimp of the Clintons. Hillary is playing games against Edwards. MSNBC, CNN, FOX, CBS, ABC are all culprits in that they have taken NewsMax polls without Edwards on the list. Shame on the MSM.
Folks, this is democracy. I wish Edwards demands equal rights.
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al-fallujah Says:
hillary and bill are royal frauds who are full of themselves…they just cant deal with the fact that a lot of Afro Americans actually have BRAINS!!
BTW, don't insult Dick Cheney, Obama is his relative. LOL
ed68 @ 36:
You Reschmucks support Senator Obama because you have only one hidden agenda: getting rid off the only solid opponent; Senator Hillary Clinton.
Hillary Clinton is the most crooked politician in the DP and a fraud. Stop falling for pro-f'n-establisment Arab country invading bullcrap!!!!
i have no problems with sexism because that is just kind of a made up thing that wants to equate men and woman though evolutionarily men and woman ARE DIFFERENT
i don't want a woman in the white house that wants to play protective mamma to the country and go after video games, strip clubs, tv shows, porn, etc. like Hillary
racism on the other hand is really the undercurrent of this primary and Clinton has used it time and time again the most sickening example being spreading info about Obama's drug use and though she fired the guy another guy goes on MSNBC and repeatedly says "cocaine" when referring to the "drug issue."
anyone that could support hillary after this really sickens me
whiteyfresh @ 44:
Well it wouldnt be a change from every other position she's had. Like Bush Jr, the way she's risen to power spits in the face of the American Dream.
esmense @ 45:
oooookaaaaaayy... Haven't really picked that up on my end...
macaddict @ 7:
Is it just me, or do your comments have the distinct ring of being scripted?
My oh my, you watch "Meet the Press" and that seals it for you? Are you joking? Is it really that shallow for you? Do you work for "Meet the Press" in any way?
Not buying it.
budda @ 50:
Joe @ 49:
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send her and that crooked husband of her back to that yuppie mansion of theirs and keep the racist crooks off my television set
wow, i cannot believe anyone could vote for her after she pretty much voted to instigate war with Iran - "this whole thing is the biggest fairytale I've ever seen"
ok, I'm gonna stop quoting people because I obviously can't seem to figure out where my response goes...
Hillary has plenty of experience as a NYS Senator. She is brilliant and should be our next president. Obama talks of change...isn't that what every election is about? My high school elections in the 70's were always about CHANGE and we all had It's "Time for a Change Buttons." C'mon people! Obama needs to articulate whatever change he is talking about. Can he?
Obama opposed the war but then said he didn't disagree with the way it was being conducted, and he opposed the war but voted for the $300 Billion appropriation? So what?
He was exactly right on both counts. The war was a very bad idea, on many levels.
But once the soldiers are there, the fight over whether or not we should have gone has been had, and then it becomes a matter of supplying the troops with what they need in combat. When many of the Dems voted against the $300 Billion appropriation, they did the OPPOSITE of what they should have done, since many of them had voted FOR the war. In both cases they were following the crowd.
Added to this is the fact that George W. Bush hammered John Kerry over his "NO" vote on the appropriation. Kerry could get no traction on the fact that W. had sent our troops into war ill-equipped, since Kerry voted against that funding. I know, I know, the Dems were opposing a big give-away to Haliburton, but the appropriation was destined to pass, so all the Dems were doing was satisfying MoveOn and constituencies like that. I hope it was worth it, it probably cost us the White House in 04'.
All the average voter would be able to process is that Kerry (and Edwards) had voted "NO" on supplying the troops the funding they needed to be safe and successful. I know, and you know, that the Dems were not opposing the troops and were instead protesting the Haliburton give-away, and they knew the troops would get what they needed in spite of their protest "NO" votes. But the fact that you know that, and I know that, does not mean that that average "up-for-grabs" voters will. And they didn't. Every time Kerry tried to hit Bush on sending troops into harm's way without proper equipment, Bush pointed out Kerry's "NO" vote, and Kerry' defense was so convoluted that his critique of Bush fall flat and made him look like HE was the one not supporting the troops. I know some of you think Kerry was not always the best candidate, but even the master Bill Clinton would have came across looking bad had he voted "NO" on that appropriation while accusing Bush of not properly equipping the soldiers. This should have been predictable, which is why I fault MoveOn for lobbying the Dems so hard fo that "NO" vote.
Barack Obama opposed the war? Check.
Barack Obama voted "YES" on the $300 Billion appropriation early in the war? Check.
Good job Barack!
Lollimom @ 53:
I thought EXACTLY the same thing! Macaddict @ 7's comment sounds suspiciously scripted to me.
Forget that stuff, This is DIRTY politics...Be afraid be very afraid, Rovian politics is alive and well. Teachers Union Sue to Block Hotel Workers Union Vote in Nevada Caucus.
I don't mind Hillary using emotional appeals or slants her rivals campaign to get votes but I do draw the line in using tactics from Roves playbook.
“This could shut down those precincts in the casinos and keep culinary members from voting,” said Jon Ralston, a political pundit with The Las Vegas Sun, who broke the story on his blog. Mr. Ralston said it is unclear whether there are ties between the lawsuit and the Clinton campaign but, he predicted, “Even if they’re Hillary supporters, the campaign’s going to say they had nothing to do with it.It is unclear when the court will hear the matter."
Good job Hillary. It is amazing to me the amount of disdain people of the Democratic party have for Hillary and yet they cannot pinpoint what makes them angry. I suspect closet male chauvinism. I have asked the the question of dozens of voters and the answer I get is "Because she is Hillary.." That is not good enough. You cannot disqualify clearly a good candidate for President without backing up your argument against them. Obama has not acted on his words and in order for the Dems to be successful against the Repugs and their media-whore machine (inc. Tim Russert), they someone who has been tested against the media bashing and has won. Hillary has acted and is experienced. Get in line folks, this election has been decided already. Obama will be the VP candidate and in 8 years I would gladly vote for him as president.
L.A. Confidential @ 48:
Is it just me or does it seem like you get paid to write pro-Clinton post here ? Or maybe you are just another brainless zombie!
skitob @ 57:
ha, what is her experience?
voted for war with iraq AND iran
going after freedom of expression and speech in video games, strip clubs, porn, tv shows, etc.
if obama doesn't win i hope bloomberg goes in and the democrats loose because putting someone like hillary up is just plain and simple stupid
Here is what Hillary's opponents started up with last week.
"She raised eyebrows in New Hampshire when she credited President Lyndon Baines Johnson, not the assassinated John F. Kennedy or King, for passing civil rights legislation."
Actually Hillary was 100% technically correct in giving LBJ the credit he's deserves.
http://tinyurl.com/27cgwu
(But we wouldn't want a President that has a command of super fine detail now would we. A woman no less?)
You go girl! This is why Hil is going to win. She knows her stuff and she can stand up to these punk "journalists." ANd she isn't going to let some wimpy, whiney, wordsmith tar her without answering him back.
Barack Obama is just an empty suit.
skitob @ 57:
Of course he can, after 20 years of either a Bush or a Clinton in the White House his nomination would be of Great change and I might add a new direction.
God forbid that in an interview there will be questions.
Now that HRC can lie convincingly and with the conviction of George W. Bush, she's proven that she can lead us down the same path of corporate dominance, constitutional irrelevancy, and decimate what's left of the dwindling middle class.
The truth of the matter is HRC is the left's equivalent of the right's GWB - neither one good for America.
HRC will serve two terms, and in the end America will be worse off than we are now. Still stuck in the Middle East, still raping the middle class and poor for the benefit of the rich, still borrowing money from foreign nations that aren't always our friends.
The only people that benefit from two family rule in America for generations are the ones pulling the strings of their puppets.
Jay J @ 58:
Amen!
BabushkaBlue @ 59:
Bobswire, so why doesn't Mr. B.O.articulate his plans for change? I don't think he can.
Maybe he needs Oprah to do that.
"Meet The Press: Russert Hits Hillary Clinton On Race Right Out Of The Gate
By: Logan Murphy on Sunday, January 13th, 2008 at 9:01 AM - PST"
A lot of hyperbole in the title. Hillary did well for herself. She fought back. I would like to know how do Obama supporters want their candidate treated during the election. With kid gloves?"
Hullarevision needs to read what she's voting on. She also needs to own up to the racism coming from her campaign. She also needs to admit her overly defensive reaction looked very guilty. Who is in control of her campaign...Bill and Mikey. Who will run a Clinton White House. Bill...and Mikey.
And must everyone be reminded she cannot explain "thirty-five years."
I am absolutely appalled by the race-baiting the Obama campaign has engaged in. It's an absolute disgrace.
If anyone is racist is obama. He talks about how hard it was to grow up black. He grew up in hawaii he does not know how hard it is growing up in inner cities where racism is hard. He tries to pass as being just black. He does not know how hard it is to have parents that were really expirienced racism and the effects it has on their children. He was brought up by a white mother and white grandparents, he was not brought up in a black a black family. Everyone says that he is the first black that can become president. Why doesn't he talk about the fact that he is white, because its more convienient to run as a black person and to show the american how far our society has come. He should talk about how much easier it is growing up with white a white mother, and more coddled. He is the racist, why not embrace his whiteness.
HE IS NOT JUST BLACK HE IS ALSO WHITE, THE TRUTH IS THAT HE IS BIRACIAL. COME ON OBAMA TAKE OFF THE MASK.
why didn't you obama cultist say anything when jessie jackson jr. wanted to analyze clinton crying(she choked up you dumbasses) and fought back her tears. you sexist pigs. knowone questions anything when elected officials cry, Oh no if prissy obama would've teared up, you would say he was so sensitive and how much he cared blah blah. Mr. racist jackson questioned clinton about katrina(pandering to blacks) why didn't she cry (again teared up) dumb racist pig he was exploiting a sensitive issue, how does he know how she felt privately. By the way she was there when bush wasn't. Mr. jackson where was your boy. why not criticize him when he didn't show up a the jena6 demonstration. He didn't want to look to black or associated with the real civil right leaders, by gosh he didn't want to offend his white followers. Big race card
Hillary. Bill. Bob Kerrey. Bob Johnson. Andrew Cuomo.
People for hilliary clinkkkton who have put their feet in their mouths, made clearly veiled racist statements, and had to backtrack.
Obama's people didn't bring the campaign to this low.
HILLARY AND BILL CLINTON BROUGHT RACE TO THIS CAMPAIGN.
Vote against Bill and Hillary. Show you will not tolerate limousine librahls who believe they can use the black vote at their convenience.
VOTE AGAINST HILLARY AND TURN HER INTO TERRELL OWENS. A LOSER. (Go Giants.)
StCyrlyMe2 @ 429:
If you don't like Hillary then you don't like her but I really wish people would stop coming on liberal blogs and saying she voted for the bankruptcy bill. She voted for a form of the bankruptcy bill that was a compromise and was defeated years before the final heinous bill was passed. She opposed the bankruptcy bill that became law and voted against cloture. She did not get to vote against the final bill because by that time her husband was hospitalized. We need to get our facts straight. Also, I think you're conflating two bills passed by the repugs, the bankruptcy bill and the so called tort reform bill. I don't know how Hillary voted, but I do know that Obama voted for the "tort reform" bill. There are legitimate reasons to criticize all candidates in the top 3 but I don't think it disqualifies them.
I do agree with your other comments about telecommunications and NAFTA. Those are two of the worst bills Clinton ever signed. Also, Bob Johnson sold his channel to Viacom, not Newscorp.
Why these candidates don't tell Mr. Patato Head Russert to F-Off is beyond me.
Boycott NBC AND MSNBC Include Kucinich or F-Off!
See easy!
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