Obama Nevada Flyer: "You Can Be A Democrat For One Day"
This was not a very good idea:
A campaign flier created by a precinct captain for Sen. Barack Obama urges Nevada Republicans and independents to switch party affiliations "for a day" and caucus in the Democratic primary in order to defeat Sen. Hillary Clinton.
The flier was put out by Bob Buchanan, a volunteer organizer for Obama in Reno. Buchanan, who insists that Obama's campaign had no connection to the literature, said he distributed approximately 100 copies of the flier before rewriting it, replacing criticism of Clinton with compliments of Obama.
UPDATE: Buchanan tells Salon that, in the wake of the backlash against his flier, he could be parting ways with the Obama campaign. "I may have to resign as precinct captain or something," he said. "I don't want to screw his campaign up."
Have I said how much I am not enjoying the primaries?
Like that's half as bad as the shit Billary's been pulling since the "Madrassa" fiasco
Frist-like.
Oops.
Anyway, these campaigns are in serious need of adult supervision.
frist
you expect the general election to be prettier?
bah
Hopefully Edwards can hang around for both these goons to drag each other down.
Well, at least Obama's people are thinking about how their actions can affect his campaign. Hillary's people run amok until she gets called on their actions.
I'm not voting for that.
"Have I said how much I am not enjoying the primaries?"
Actually, it's great entertainment.
What fun it is to see all the conniving hypocrites and schemers shown for what they truly are.
McMike @ 6:
That is my fondest wish, not to mention my constant prayer. I'd like an Edwards-Obama ticket, quite frankly.
http://www.wallstchatter.com/Political_Poll.html
Obama leads
This is politics for the presidency of the United States, and not a course in sensitivity training....
If Obama dishes it out he must be a man and take it his way without crying foul. The same goes with Hillary Clinton and the Repukes.
I wonder if the Obama campaign has distributed any flyers stating that Hillary was a "Goldwater Girl" in the 1964 election. Goldwater challenged Lyndon Baines Johnson and Hillary campaigned for him in Chicago. Goldwater opposed both the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Hillary supported not the man who allied himself with Martin Luther King, Jr., but with the guy who opposed both King and Johnson.
I wonder why nobody has brought this factoid up yet?
McMike @ 6:
There you go! And I'm with ya!
i am already tired of the bullshit talk. i want to hear about substantive issues like
the Economy, getting OUT OF IRAQ, National Healthcare.
this same ole crap has to stop now.
[refers to deleted post]
That weasel again? He scares the shit out of me. Nooooooooo thanks.
This is a voter, a precinct captain is a voter that helps with phone calls and licking stamps, possibly even going from house to house encouraging their precinct to come out and vote. I am sure if we all look hard enough, we can find all types of mistakes and unthoughtful transgressions intiated by voters from every campaign. This guy seems to accept responsibility for his actions, so I am kind of at a loss for the reasons behind this post.
I swear.....if the Dems screw this up....I'll ignore politics for the rest of my life...........maybe that's why young people are always so much happier............................not to mention all the fun they have.
Mr. XXXX @ 12:
Because it happened over 40 years ago and in the context of today, is irrelevant.
Gorgei @ 17:
Buchanan seethes w/rage every time he talks about Obama (Dobbs is just dismissive).
Have I said how much I am not enjoying the primaries?
You and me both, John. It's such a convoluted mess right now that the conversations are endless and there's no way to settle anything with anyone.
I'm determined to ignore most of the "here today, gone tomorrow" tricks of the trade. Hillary isn't my favorite, but I doubt highly all of the doomsday paranoia surrounding her; and there's very little Obama could do in the heat of campaign business to make me believe he would be a regrettable choice in the long term.
I was really hoping for a little more unity in the Democratic effort this time around since the '08 election is Their Time, but these diversion floor shows have laid that to waste. They all pretty much stand for the same things; some a little more strongly than others. The candidates are so on-message that separating each other in the hunt for votes has turned into an absurdity of splitting hairs and disorganized criticism of fleeting rhetoric.
I will have little of it. I'm pretty much only paying attention to each state's showtime and f-all to the rest of it...
mudshark @ 17:
Gawd that's what they want, jeez political participation went way down after Nixon.
You would be a fool to think democracy runs on auto pilot. It does not work right w/out the people. If we quit trying to take back our country we will not recognize it in 5 years mark my words.
If the people are not involved it becomes a puppet state/a police state (and please what you see today is nothing compared to what it could fall into).
Big deal. I'll be voting Republican tomorrow since the dems stripped MI of our delegates. Voters need to game the system to prevent a phony warmongering sellout like Hillary from being the "Democratic" candidate. And if that means asking GOP voters to help us get Hillary out of the mix, I'm all for it. We all win with her out of the general election.
dadams @ 15:
Gives me the vibe that we are going to lose this election come November. While I think for the most part I could vote for all three Dems(Clinton would be troubleing for myself), I have a feeling Clinton is going to some how take this. If that happens, I can see at least some of the Independents going against her, and making it another nail biter.
I'm shocked, I tell ya, shocked! to think that all of Dr. Feelgood's supporters aren't pure as the driven snow.
This is one of the silliest campaigns ever when it comes to the "gotcha" factor, but part of the blame lies with easy access to technology that allows anyone to print whatever they want and distribute it, with the goal of inflicting as much damage as possible and then claiming "Oopsie!" when they're caught.
mudshark @ 17:
I couldn't agree more...as far as the young people...I think they are just hornier, thus worried less about the future, lol.
dadams @ 14:
I READ ABOUT HILLARY''S ECONOMIC PLAN ON THE BLOGS AND OBAMA'S WAS IN TODAYS PNEWSPAPER . THE MEDIA IS NOT COVERING IT. BUT ITS THERE IF YOU LOOK FOR IT.
i don't know the details, but i heard that KOS is asking dems to vote for ROMNEY in the michigan primary...
what's goin' on?
katy @ 27:
Trying to make the GOP spend all their money against each other.
As usual, the False Change For The Sake Of False Change Crowd is playing along, pretending that Barack Change Obama is somehow above all the mudslinging. One poster above actually suggests that Barack's not responsible for his staff, but Hillary is. That's hilarious. And complete two-faced hypocrisy.
Earlier, Barack, his wife, and his campaign staff ALL tried to rewrite Hillary's words into a Ross Perot "You People" Moment. There, too, the FCFTSOFCC played along, gasping in mock horror, "How could Hillary say such a thing as that, even if she didn't?" (John Backwards stood on the sidelines, hopping up and down and shrieking, "Hey guys! I'm on your side! Whatta bitch, huh? ...Guys? Guys?")
I guess it isn't working out, because Barack Change Obama is now trying to act the peacemaker in the mudslinging episode he started with his own mouth:
"I think that (former President) Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton have historically and consistently been on the right side of civil rights issues," he added. "I think they care about the African American community and they care about all Americans and they want to see equal rights and equal justice in this country."
But now the False Change For The Sake Of False Change Crowd might be a little confused, because they were having SO much fun painting Bill and Hillary as closet Klansmen and preparing their own little ironic lynching.
As the nonsense continues, some of you might come to understand the difference between experience and False Change For The Sake Of False Change coming from an insider posing as an outsider.
But don't worry. You can always write-in Al Gore (the guy you once considered "exactly the same as George W. Bush," showing a talent for calm intelligence and accuracy rivaled only by an angry-drunk William Kristol) if you don't get your way (again).
Anyone of the top three Repug candidates WILL beat Obama, that is exactly why Repugs are donating $$ and voting in the primaries for him,
their "winning strategy."
When white America goes into that voting booth, close the curtin, they will vote for the white guy running against him, that is a FACT. In the meantime, they will be politically correct & cheer him on.
If Dumbocraps don't wise-up & stop dreaming, Rupugs will run the show & keep f*cking things up for another four years.
I think Obama and Hillary should be disqualified from this election, as they have caused this Mess!
I know it's hard to pull a campaign together in a few short months or even a year. Even in the average company there are a few mistaken hires.
But you'd think all the candidates would have someone who could interview and vet a little better than all three Democratic candidate have been able to do in this primary season. There have been so, so many embarrassing chairs and bloggers who have shoveled such slug entrails that my head reels.
I think a few strategic firings are in order ... for all 3 campaigns.
Well at least we're not as bad as the GOP where the candidates themselves have mostly proven themselves to be major loose cannons.
Obama has lots of republican support during the primaries.
I thought Obama would do something stupid.
Dems voting for Romney and Dean pulling delegates is stupid too.
This should help Edwards if people get tired of this crap.
katy @ 27:
They don't want Mc Cain to get any more traction.
CriminalGeorgeW @ 30:
Here in Iowa we voted for him...were a pretty white state. We must be the Dumbocraps though, lol, jeez.
"Here in Iowa we voted for him…were a pretty white state. We must be the Dumbocraps though, lol, jeez."
With the help of Repugs.
Gee whiz, you mean a MSM reported something Obama has been doing to attack Hillary...golly I can't believe it. All the attacks and nothing posted.
bmw 528 @ 18:
So, you actually think Hillary Clinton is a "liberal?"
I do not think its so "irrelevant" just because it "happened 40 years ago." Actually, I think its very relevant.
When they work for Obama, they're "volunteer organizers".
When they work for Clinton, they're "surrogates".
If Bob Buchanan was a Hillary supporter, this act would have been cast as his "marching orders" -- to the blatherers, there is no free will among Clinton campaign workers. Everything is choreographed, everyone's actions pre-planned.
"When they work for Obama, they’re “volunteer organizers”."
They are really Repug Conservatives.
I still hope Obama ends up winning over Hillary Clinton. He got screwed in N.H.
BREAKING NEWS: Kucinich is going to be included in tomorrows Debate!!! Judge orders that MSNBC must include the little feller.
mudshark @ 17:
I think it's the fun they have. : )
Obama wants to be President using "Affirmative Action", no critism, evaluation or experience. The man admitted to doing drugs, then gets mad when it is brought-up. The Repugs are praying for him to be the opposition, they will eat him for breakfast.
I want all 50 states to have their primary on the same day
http://jxymxu7sn5ho9d.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/caric-hillary-race-lf.jpg
CriminalGeorgeW @ 45:
Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? ; )
"Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? ; )"
No, just see America as it REALLY is, and refused to live in fantasy. If you want Repugs out, Obama is not your winning candidate.
I don't get it. What's wrong with trying to appeal to our brothers and sisters that call themselves by a name other than 'Democrat'? Do you just automatically write-off the human value of half the people in this country? I don't see anything dirty here, Obama is simply trying to transcend these divisive definitions once-and-for all to actually get something done for our side.
That's it? I just looked at the flyer, and given the current climate it sounds almost sensible. Cites two or three enterprising reasons to vote for Obama (or Edwards!) instead of the specious, compromised and otherwise indecipherable Clinton philosophy.
CriminalGeorgeW @ 45:
I don't think this country is going to rally around Clinton.
el-mano @ 50:
Yeah right, wanna buy the Brooklyn Bridge?
Kucinich Should Be Allowed to Debate, Judge Rules
I don't think this country is going to rally around Clinton.
It did before !! And you really think this country will rally around Obama??
Its not who you vote for that counts, its who counts your vote? What if these guys were smart, and just decided to go to the source and gain control of the machines that tabulate the votes.
http://bradblog.com/
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
because Johns post and history proves, there are people out there who want to game the system.
CriminalGeorgeW @ 53:
I don't get it.
#7 political junkie get your facts right buddy or does your information come from freaks in the media. Hillary has always fired her capaign staff who are out of line, I know you'll fine some fault with that too.!!!!!!!!!
when axolrod claimed that it was hillary fault for benazir butto. obama did not fire him or reprimand,.
him,what a fucking hypocrite. why didn't stupid people like you say anything about it. Christ jr. does get a free pass.
el-mano @ 57:
Exactly why you think Obama stands a chance of wining, because you don't get it. No time for making moral stands which amounts to nothing, our country needs to reverse this suicidal course the Repugs have put us on. A wise vote with a chance of winning is crucial.
There's nothing wrong with inviting folks to come out from the "Dark Side", even if it's for a day.
CriminalGeorgeW @ 59:
Chip @ 60:
Ha, Ha.....agreed, even if they are voting for someone they know they can beat in the general election.
el-mano @ 61:
Who's got a better chance?
Did anyone else hear this interview with the Big Dog?
http://www.sirius.com/politicaltalk
He pretty much sets it straight. Of course, he wants us to vote for his wife. But, when all is said and done, this is a win-win situation for America. He states accurately that during many elections, it is the lesser of two evils. Now, we have a good field of candidates, each with some cons. Although she is being painted as a DINO by many, there really are no Joe Liebermans in this race. The idea that Hilary will keep the status-quo is crap if you consider that everything JR has done has been a reaction to the changes put in place from 1992 to 2000. The fact that Obama is promoting this idea is disingenuous. But, that's life in politics.
I don't think it is too late for the Democratic candidates to take the high road. What I find to be pathetic is the lack of MSM focus on the absolutely DISMAL set of Republican candidates. Remember 4 years ago when we heard the mantra that all the Dems were the same?
BigTobacco @ 22:
Vote Uncommitted!
NCTL @ 58:
Could you link too the comment blaming hillary ? Have'nt heard that.
Hey mr. el mano keep buying his bullshit. All these statements about obama wants to bring this country together and obama walks on water and all this bullshit. You just buy into his bullshit.. He really wants to sound like mlk and jfk..what bullshit is that.
Man this guy can't even be questioned about his record without people claiming that its racist..what a bunch of crap.
THE OTHER GUY THAT CLAIMED THAT HE WANTED TO BRING THIS COUNTRY TOGETHER, AND GET THIS HE WAS GOING TO FIGHT THE POLITICS OF WASHINGTON. COME ON TAKE A GUESS....IT WAS GEORGE W BUSH.
REPUGS, SOME DEMS, INDEPENDANTS BOUGHT HIS CRAP...SAME PEOPLE THAT ARE BUYING OBAMAS CRAP.
Ok, you're right. Barack Obama is really a repug in sheeps clothing, waiting to get elected and then reek havoc on us.
el-mano @ 63:
Right now? A white Man or Woman, unfortunately. Unless you think that america has trasformed into this fantasy utopia. Lets see how Obama does when he hit the red states & south.
It's an open primary. At least, Obama isn't pulling some last minute BS lawsuit to systematically disenfranchise union workers. This is the most appalling shit yet.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections08/barackobama/story/0,,2240869,00....
Face it. This is likely going to be the ugliest and most vicious election ever when the front runners come through.
I'm really not looking forward to it.
Iowa voted went to W. in 2004. The 08 caucases saw a record turnout for Democrats, 2 and 3-to-1 turnout over the Republican numbers. The state is 95% white. This is a swing state.
el-mano @ 68:
Obam is not a Repug, as a matter of fact, he is a decent guy, just not a winnable candidate. He can run at a later date but now, we need Repugs out of the White House & can't afford to take any chances. America just ain't ready for him, sadly.
This wasn't endorsed by the Obama campaign -- why the big deal? Because someone wants to make it one?
The person who put this together was only writing what so many of us who support any-Democrat-but-Hillary were thinking anyhow. This isn't the stance of the Obama campaign.
I see no problem in wooing Independants and Republicans to support Obama for the day. Many of these people actually like him to varying degrees. Hillary doesn't have that luxury and wouldn't have it during the general election either because she is too polarizing. This flier only exists because Obama is the only Democratic candidate who has broad appeal.
Does anybody know if this guy Buchanan ISN'T a GOP operative?? Switch Parties for one day - man if that doesn't sound like something taken directly from the Official GOP Dirty Tricks playbook.
Wait, what's so bad about asking Independents to switch parties for a day? It might break down the wall so they don't have that stigma aura around voting Dem.
Stosselitiphobic @ 70:
Thats why I don't bother with some of these Clinton supporters, they remind me of the GOP. All these people claiming that the BET billionare wasn't trying to scare people with the Dave Chapelle's crackhead character image of Obama. It is all repulsive and sad.
L.A. Confidential @ 71:
Just the way we like it...shows passion. polite & nice elections produces morons like Bush, who can then lie his azz off & pretend to a human being.
Sounds like a guy that was trying to stratigize. Not too sure why this would reflect negatively on the candidate.
Gorgei @ 77:
The man ADMITTED to doing drugs in his book, why can't he be called on it, because he is black jesus???? Every other candidate gets the same treatment, no exceptions. Can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
CriminalGeorgeW @ 80:
Wait, what's wrong with doing drugs in one's youth and moving on from it?
CriminalGeorgeW @ 73:
I know Iowa doesn't represent the whole US, but it is overtly white, and the young flocked in droves to vote on their holiday break(
which Clinton fought too, got schools to keep their dorms closed).
CriminalGeorgeW @ 73:
You're certainly entitled to your reasoning, and I won't try to change your mind--AND, I might add, I respect your beliefs in voting for whomever you think is best...
That said, I find your logic circular. It seems you are saying that America isn't ready for an African-American president--he can't win (presumably because of racism), therefore he's a poor choice when casting a vote. The only way he can prove he's a winner, though, is by...being able to win. And he can't win if no one votes for him.
Doesn't make sense. (I'm an Edwards supporter, by the way...just being up-front about it.)
el-mano @ 81:
Nothing but don't whine about being called on it & claim racism.
Mr. XXXX @ 39:
No I don't think Hillary is a liberal in the traditional definition. She is in my opinion, a moderate. Politically, she is nothing like Goldwater who was a real conservative, not the perverted neocon mutation of conservatism.
The Obama campaign does not make this an issue because we have much more meaningful things to do than be concerned about how we felt over 40 years ago. Remember that it took some time for people like RFK, for example, to find his voice against people like Joe Mc Carthy in the 1950's. We do not define his life or work based solely on that experience, and it is not fair to define Hillary's work on her association with Goldwater.
As to your opinion, suit yourself.
el-mano @ 81:
Bill Clinton did. God knows Bush Jr. did. At least Obama did it as a kid, admitted it (with pretty understandable reasons, I'd say), and dug himself out of the hole he was in--unlike Chimpy.
CriminalGeorgeW @ 84:
You just said he wasn't being called on it. Do you think he should be?
RobertD @ 83:
Look, all I am saying is this is not the time to experiment, that will only end up putting a Repug back in the White House. I see America as it is, not as I want it to be.
Selective editing....more from Salon:
Buchanan said he tried to show the flier to Obama staffers in Reno but that they declined to look at it, saying they didn't want to be involved in approving or disapproving whatever he was distributing.
The Obama people knew he was doing something, put on blinders, and told him so, to claim it was not their document. If he did it for them - it is their document.
And as they say, "and that's the rest of the story..." (Didn't Thompson have that gig for a while?)
Go Packers!
el-mano @ 87:
"Thats why I don’t bother with some of these Clinton supporters, they remind me of the GOP. All these people claiming that the BET billionare wasn’t trying to scare people with the Dave Chapelle’s crackhead character image of Obama. It is all repulsive and sad."
El Mano - I was replying to the above whinners.
CriminalGeorgeW @ 88:
Glad someone sees the political reality were heading into.
I have family in Nevada and my sister is receiving smear emails about Obama. I'm so sad to see what politics in our country have become. What every happened to honor and honesty and doing what's best for the people?
And as for doing drugs in one's youth, who the hell cares? Does that really make any difference how a person will perform as president? Come on folks, worry about something that MATTERS!!!! WTF.
CriminalGeorgeW @ 84:
Hey dude, you were the only one talking about his race or racism here. Thats really jacked up, to keep interjecting it as if it was topical; drugs was the predication of this thread.
L.A. Confidential @ 91:
How is a Hillary nomination cement? I wish I could see it, but in my opinion she loses alot of Independents and motivates Republicans.
Gorgei @ 93:
You kee replying to the wrong thread, pick the right thread for your response. You seem confused but I'm not surprised.
Gorgei @ 94:
Says who, the Clinton bashing media or the Conservative pundits. And you think Obama has a better chance in the red states & south????
You meet all kinds...
CriminalGeorgeW @ 96:
Iowa was a red state in 04, and Dems had nearly 3 times the voters this time, versus GOP.
Gorgei @ 94:
No one said it's cement.
CriminalGeorgeW @ 96:
A candidate doesn't need a single southern state to get elected, other than Florida, which has a separate population and set of values than the 'southern' states. You can win without one single southern south.
Gorgei @ 98:
Don't kid yourself, many of those were Repugs voting for Obama. Strategy - get Clinton out of the way because they know they can beat Obama.
Rep. Emanuel Cleaver said Monday that whoever was inciting the racial controversy surrounding the Clinton presidential campaign was hurting both black people and the Democratic Party.
“I don’t know if the Klan could have done a better job of turning black people against black people as the architects of this nonexistent dispute,” the Missouri Democrat said in an interview.
We better quit fighting among ourselves. The Repugs will use our weaknesses and divisiveness against us. What happened to gathering at the river and coming together right now! John Edwards is verbally attacking those who should be attacked, corporate America.
CriminalGeorgeW @ 101:
Your point is contradicted by polls conducted in Iowa before and after the caucas. There was no conspiracy theory taking place.
L.A. Confidential @ 102:
Not only do I agree with this, but I think the liberal base will be de-motivated by November. Which ever of the three win, you will have bad blood going against a Republican party looking for blood.
Gorgei @ 105:
Wow, after reading the article he claims "The Clintons have been Swift-boated in this thing." All I can do on that is sigh...and hope people figure this out on their own.
Gorgei @ 82:
Could you please point to the part of that article that says Hillary got schools to keep their dorms closed. I read it all and unless I missed it the only reference to dorms closed was the University offering students a place to live since the dorms were closed since it was their semester break.
canadian visitor @ 107:
http://www.alternet.org/story/72583/
This mainly refrences the law and their arguement. The only dorms that closed on the 3rd, were Iowa City's. Our student body here at UNI and Iowa State's Democratic bodies argued to keep them open. In the same terms as the arguement over Nevada's voting law is being pushed by the union's because it will disenfranchise voters.
Gorgei @ 108:
The second article you referenced said nothing about Clinton having dorms closed either. Then you state that the only dorms closed were Iowa City's. Did you argue to keep the dorms open because they would have been closed for your semester break? I still fail to see from your links anything written saying that Clinton got the schools closed. If you are going to blame her for something then it would be nice for you to show us somewhere that she did indeed accomplish this act to stop you from caucusing.
A Fox/Washington Times/Rasmussen Poll showing the number of people who would vote for anyone else just to oppose a particular candidate.
Poll
Even if you assume the poll results may skew to the conservative side (look who did the polling), it would certainly seem that the GOP would LOVE to have a go at Hillary since she seems to be the most likely to motivate the base to get out and actually vote. Don't think the massive Democrat turn out in the primaries is going unnoticed. I'm quite sure the GOP is salivating over another go at the Clinton's. She's their best hope for reeling back in some of the wayward moderates and independents, not to mention holding the base together should a Huckabee/McCain/Romney split occur, leaving the nominee with weak overall support.
If we see more "surprise" results like the ones in NH last week where Hillary overcame a double digit deficit overnight and was the only candidate to defy the polls (everyone else, excepting Obama, obviously, scored results exactly as predicted) and seemingly primarily in those precincts dominated by electronic voting machines (80% of NH's precincts use electronic voting), you can start to write off another stolen election as I think the GOP believes a Clinton match-up would give them the squeaker election that results in Supreme Court interventions on behalf of GOP state officials who also happen to be GOP campaign directors. I'd say that sounds completely paranoid if I hadn't seen it happen before...twice.
Get ready, it's coming.
el-mano @ 81:
The part's that wrong is the "moving on."
I think it is bad for him to go out on his own and print something like this. It is different when you come out and speak out on your own , but when you are in this position you should never engage in this kind of action because it could effect the candidate himself who may not have known anything about it.
The first time I heard of it was a blog on this web site and I live in Vegas. I think he should do the right thing and resign.
We have huge support for Senator Obama, in Nevada and we simply do not need to pull this kind of crap
The Senator just got yet another huge endorsement from the employee's SEIU, Union and we are currently dealing with people who are equally frustrating from the Clinton camp, whom are so frustrated by all of the huge endorsements, Senator Obama is getting as they attempt to shut down the voices of the Culinary Union Employee's to keep them from the agreed upon site for them to be able to participate in the caucus, without missing work.
Because they failed to get the desired candidate of choice, they now are filing a law suit to mess up the entire process, if you can believe that. This process was worked on and agreed to by the Democratic Party Leadership and endorsed by these Unions, months ago and because they don't like the outcome, they are filing a law suite. Is this the democratic party? I wounder what roll Chairman Dean has in this mess? What wont these people do to get the candidate of their choice?
This is the very kind of crap that people are sick and tired of. Why the hell don't these people allow us our voice without this kind of crap. Senator Reid, who's son is managing the Clinton camp and very frustrated at this time as he watches all the Obama endorsements and the massive crowds of people waiting in lines for hours to hear the Senator's message, is refusing to come out and speak of this mess. He has declined to endorse any of the candidates, but it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out where he really is on the issues.
He is handling this just like he does as Senate Leader and if you don't know how he is doing in that job, just look at all the people whom are currently behind Senator Obama and his message of real change.
Say what you will but this is the reason that Senator Obama is favored all over this country. The man is really about real change and I am so proud of him not engaging in all this mess the media continues to push on us. We are talking about the disenfranchisement of over Twelve Thousand Employee's mostly Hispanics, whom have decided to support Senator Obama folks and our own Democratic process is shutting them down and out.
They continue to holler about this food fight that he and Hillary are engaged in, and Senator Obama has not been running all over the country jumping in front of anyone with a mike to slam anyone. He is simply above all this mess.
Does anyone think this law suite would be in play if Senator Obama would have been on the losing end of this spectrum?. I don't think so.
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bmw 528 Says:
Mr. XXXX @ 12:
I wonder if the Obama campaign has distributed any flyers stating that Hillary was a “Goldwater Girl” in the 1964 election. Goldwater challenged Lyndon Baines Johnson and Hillary campaigned for him in Chicago. Goldwater opposed both the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Hillary supported not the man who allied himself with Martin Luther King, Jr., but with the guy who opposed both King and Johnson.
I wonder why nobody has brought this factoid up yet?
Because it happened over 40 years ago and in the context of today, is irrelevant.
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If you consider Hillary's past as irrelevant then Obama's past drug use or u can say entire past voting record is irrelevant. The same for Hillary . I still think it's relevant how can one decide what will or will not be seen as relevant. That 's what I consider biased.
Does this mean that her "Planted Questions" are also irrelevant????
Marge @ 38:
It's the Internet, stupid.
Mr. XXXX @ 12:
They're saving that one as a coup de grace.
Democrats should vote in Democratic primaries only. And Democrats should vote for Edwards!
I'm not a big fan of "party affiliations" in the first place.
I know that's how you folks do things down there, but I much prefer having the total freedom to vote for whomever I please without first registering my intention with anyone.
If some especially enlightening fact comes my way just before the election, my hands are not tied and I can act on that information if I choose to.
CheneyIsADick @ 116:
Please do not use the word "coup" when discussing American politics until Bush and Cheney really have left office. It's just too frightening to think about. Thanks.
Yup that Obama, taking the High Road. I see Karl Rove's fingerprints all over this. If Obama is elected, we'll have another George W. Bush.
Why is this bad again? Maybe people can be democrats for another day in November?
Isn't this like a David Bowie song, "...we can be heroes, for just one day"
And isn't the Daily Kos telling democrats in Michigan to Vote For Romney? Isn't there obvious hypocracy in this thread?
GO BAMA
Seele @ 122:
Yep.
Its amazing how the blogs have been unfairly trashing Obama all year long
Your Obama is an ardent follower of Farrakhan. Once president, we are going to have Koran everywhere.
That should read:
"You can be an Oprah viewing, soccer mom or a half-witted college student who can't find Mexico on a map for a day"
EZ @ 124:
Nice trolling, Arayan Brotha.
Mr. XXXX @ 39:
I'm not going to say it's irrelevant, but let's put it in some context. Are you the same person you were 40 (or even 20 or 30) years ago? Are there things you used to do or think that you might be embarrassed or ashamed to admit these days? I don't think anyone could answer these questions with an honest 'yes' and 'no', respectively. Personally, when I was young, I had a thing about gay people....didn't like 'em, didn't want to know 'em. I eventually came to realize it was stupid ignorance and nowadays I'm a huge defender of gay rights and a big supporter of gay marriage here in Massachusetts.
Anyway, just because she supported Goldwater for President does not mean she agreed with every one of his opinions. Again, I'm not saying this is irrelevant, but let's not make more of it than it is. Her recent record as a Senator should count a lot more than her work on the Goldwater campaign over 40 years ago.
All that said, I couldn't vote for Hillary Clinton. Not so sure I could even vote for Barack Obama. Just another election of blah choices.
EZ @ 124:
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At any rate, at least it'll break up the monotony of Bibles everywhere.
Mr. XXXX @ 12:
Um, could it be because she was around 17 at the time? Goldwater for all of his faults did support the '57 & '60 Civil Rights Acts as well as the Poll Tax Constitutional Amendments. And as a reaction to the death of Dr. King and her views that have come to shape her as she evolved into adulthood the Civil Rights Movement and the Vietnam War, joined the Democrat Party in 1968 in support of Eugene McCarthy.
I wonder shy nobody has brought this factoid up yet either?
Or you can get some courage and be a realist for the rest of your life!
how is this a bad idea? I don't see the downside. Hillary is as bad as a repug. Anything that can stop her has to be good. Right? You all do know she's the democrats latest strategy to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory don't you? The official repug will beat her. You know that's why the repugs are salivating at the chance of running against her in the genral.
Oh, come on, people, take a step back, willya?
I'm a Hillary supporter, but I think this is soo no big deal. Things like that are going on in every open primary. Dailykos encouraged Democrats to vote for Romney yesterday and why not? After all, McCain is much tougher to beat than Romney.
So cool it down, guys. Obama wants to win and he (and his campaign) should show they've got what it takes to do so. If some Republicans are voting for him – good for them!
I am not taken by the Obama mystique. I find the other candidates on both sides more experienced. So he writes a book and decides to run for President...It is not his party he is fighting for nor for blacks...just Obama. He is basically claiming to be the Messiah and I do not see what all the hoopla is all about. There are so many better qualified candidates than him. If he were a White guy or a woman he would not even be considered for the job.....this is not affirmative action but a vote for President. I think he is going to lose this one --not enough experience and if he does get the nomination he will surely lose to the much more experienced Republican contenders. Take some time off Obama--write another book and maybe you can run for Pope next.
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