The last refuge of a scoundrel
By Steve Benen Sunday Jan 13, 2008 5:55pm
How far has Rudy Giuliani’s slipped? Put it this way: the former mayor has, all of a sudden, discovered religion.
Rudy Giuliani began his Sunday in an unusual place for him - at church - and with an unusual fellow congregant, the controversial former Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris.
The former mayor, whose second divorce has left him on the outs with his own Catholic Church, started a three-day bus tour through Florida Sunday with a visit to the bilingual El Rey Jesus, a Hispanic evangelical Christian church here. [...]
“This is a beautiful church, and I can feel the spirit of God in this room,” Giuliani told the 7,000 or so worshipers.
Is anyone really gullible enough to believe such shameless pandering?
Also note that Giuliani has a standard stump speech he uses every day on the campaign trail. It includes a firm position against illegal immigration, and includes Giuliani’s unwavering belief that those who want to become U.S. citizens must learn “to speak, read and write English.”
Oddly enough, while speaking at this Miami church, Giuliani omitted all of this from his remarks. I’m sure it was just an oversight — and had nothing to do with the large Latino population in South Florida, most of which votes Republican.
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He's a scoundrel????
Duh.
Besides...I think it was his very first refuge.
So he's got that going for him...Which is nice.
9ui11ani is a real bottom feeder. He will suck up to anyone, anytime, any place. A true repug pig. (they need to change their mascot from elephant to pig)
This one is weak. Let the guy go to church already....who gives a s&*t.
OT - BREAKING NEWS!!
DENNIS KUCINICH MAY BE ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE NBC NEVADA DEBATE!!!
A judge sided today with Democratic presidential hopeful Dennis Kucinich and said he will allow him to take part in Tuesday’s Democratic presidential debate in Las Vegas.
Alternate District Judge J. Charles Thompson said he will grant a preliminary injunction allowing Kucinich to take part in the debate and will sign the order around 4 p.m.
Attorney Don Campbell, who is representing NBC Universal Inc., which is hosting the debate, said after the hearing that it was too early to say what NBC will do if the order is issued.
Kucinich’s attorney, William McGaha, said he was pleased with the upcoming ruling. “It’s in everybody’s interest to have the debate and with as many different political viewpoints,” he said.
"...and had nothing to do with the large Latino population in South Florida, most of which votes Republican."
CORRECTION: Mostly older CUBANS vote Republican because they have a vendetta against Democrats because of the Bay of Pigs incidents (JFK was president at the time). Younger Cubans are trending more Democrat each election.
Miami Latinos from other nationalites (PuertoRican, Dominican, Mexican Venezuelan, etc.) vote mostly Democrat across the board.
Katherine Harris?!?
Okay, now I really have to locate that Pepto Bismal.
OMG! I was wondering what happened to Katherine Harris after her failed bid. Do you remember her interview with Sean Hannity where she posed at three-quarter view? And jumped up and down to feature her 'agenda?' Lol. Watch out Rudy, you'll get an eye poked out!
HAAAEEEEHHHH-LURRRRR-LOOYAH!
Cute photo... Maybe he's being called 'home'.... ala Pat Robertson... If true.... Hallelujah!!!! Cept, I think the 'home' he's headed to in the end is mite warmer than he may expect... I guess he didn't get the meme that those pearly gates won't open up for a serial lying, adultering, jingoistic pandering S.O.B. who uses a national tragedy as his opening tag line.....Who knew! Yea, tuff break Mr. Noun, verb, 9/11... I'll be interested in seeing just how many latino votes out of Florida you manage to crib with this latest bullshit... JD
SM @ 6:
Seriously? Debate all the ins and outs of all that, coming down on whatever side you like and it's still just plain fascinating.
HE won't quit the race until he's found a new mistress, he's a nationwide search.
Johnny2Bad @ 2:
Ooo, ooo!....you are doing a movie reference, right? Man, it's on the tip of my tongue...
Bonkers @ 13:
Gunga-Galunga.
kate @ 12:
At least he's consistent!
methinks it wasn't the spirit of God he was feeling.
they just refinished the pews a day before and things had not quite dried out as planned.
"¡esto es más pegajoso que el camisón de una puta!", shouted Jaime Gonzales as he stood up in the middle of G-911's speech.
kate @ 12:
I work with this woman named Nynee Levenn. He'll just love her! He'll get the warm fuzzies every time he says her name.
Gimme his number...I have to hook them up, pronto. A love like this just CANNOT be denied.
With the moderator's permission:
Talk about a scoundrel...take a look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtE30B8mQFs&feature=related
Please keep in mind here, unless I'm mistaken, McCain is only 11 years older than Flip-Flop Romney--and whther you care for him or not, you can't take away from the guy that he was in a POW camp during Vietnam while Romney was chasing around people in Paris with the Book of Mormon!
Stop by this tools vid and give him some 'karma!' Thanks...
Hmmm...Rudy at church with someone who helped steal an election in 2000, very suspicious, too bad it won't matter. Everyone on the left thinks Rudy is a fraud, and everyone on the right thinks he is too liberal. Give it up Rudy. You should have stuck to being "America's Mayor," and kept raking in money giving speeches about how great you were after September 11th. Now that everyone has rejected you, and seen you for what you really are, that money won't be coming at you when you are forced out of the election.
Johnny2Bad @ 14:
Beautiful.
"Caddyshack". "Carl".
You are my Movie Quote Hero for the day!
"Woah, somebody step on a duck?"
cygnusx1isahole @ 5:
cool...I like Dennis! I'm sure they will only ask him 1or2 questions... they wont let dennis speak truth to power. I hope dennis uses this opportunity to spice up the debate! I wanna see him stir things up a bit...!!!
milquetoast @ 21:
+1!
10 to 1 they did the nasty. If you're the mistress, and he leaves his wife for you, and you become the wife... what do you think will happen next!? Women and men think sooo differently. Women expect a relationship after sex, I expect breakfast. I make no excuses for this line of thinking, I just realize what I am. Oops, was this the Huckabee abortion thread?
If you say 9/11 into a mirror three times, Rudy Giuliani appears!
Rudy Giuliani began his Sunday in an unusual place for him - at church - and with an unusual fellow congregant, the controversial former Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris.
Ya mean Katie "Check out these bazookas" Harris?
I wonder if Rudy's BFF Sean Hannity set these two up?
Quick, someone call Judith! (just don't call her Judy.)
With Rudy's roving eye, she better keep him on a short leash!
Alright! Katherine Harris!!
Mmmmmm.... Evil fake boobs.
Bonkers @ 20:
Dan-nay...
"Is anyone really gullible enough to believe such shameless pandering?"
Hell, yes. George Bush got elected president, not once but twice.
LOL! Rudy is getting more pathetic everyday. He tried the 9/11 sales pitch and now he is on to the religious sales pitch. So, desperate for a Florida vote.
HE's Been Saved!!!!...........................uh...yeah...uhuh sure..
Johnny2Bad @ 27:
I bet you get free bowl of soup with that Hat?
"Oddly enough, while speaking at this Miami church, Giuliani omitted all of this from his remarks. I’m sure it was just an oversight — and had nothing to do with the large Latino population in South Florida, most of which votes Republican."
WWHHYY do they vote Republican?
milquetoast @ 21:
That is the one problem with the court order. NBC will let him be there on stage, but that doesn't guarantee he will be part of the debate. He has been marginalized at every debate, standing silently off to the side while the moderator pretends he isn't there.
TimmyD11,they are either as delusional as Rudy, or just plain stupid!
Timmy_D11 @ 32:
I have know idea why.
I ask myself the same question.
My dream?
That Rudy Giuliani and Katherine Harris get married and have kids. Lots of fugly little kids.
Actually, the crowd was estimated at ABOUT 7,000, give or take 911.
Timmy_D11 @ 32:
Because "they" don't like to question aurthority.
what's next? a cowboy hat, cowboy boots, a scottish terrier and a bag of pretzels ??
.....no.....but this is.
Holy shit, Giuliani and Katherine Harris in a church. Surprised the place wasn't struck by fucking lightning.
I KNEW he would hook up with Katherine. I hope he brought a tiara for her, too.
Marcus Aurelius @ 36:
Wouldn't that qualify more as a nightmare?
secular New England, New York and New Jersey will stick it to Giuliani for this stunt.
Kay @ 33:
With only three other people it'll be harder to make him invisible. I hope Dennis rips into Hillary, Barack and John something good. Don't hold ANYTHING back, Dennis! Go for the jugular!
Lollimom, that's classic! Watching Rudy, I'm suprised he didn't burst into flames! Isn't he a heretic or something? What a joke!
mudshark @ 35:
I answered this question earlier up in the thread:
“…and had nothing to do with the large Latino population in South Florida, most of which votes Republican.”
CORRECTION: Mostly older CUBANS vote Republican because they have a vendetta against Democrats because of the Bay of Pigs incidents (JFK was president at the time). Younger Cubans are trending more Democrat each election.
Miami Latinos from other nationalites (PuertoRican, Dominican, Mexican Venezuelan, etc.) vote mostly Democrat across the board.
Krazy Kitty Harris is back! I was wondering when she would make her appearance. This definitely makes things more interesting. $10,000,000
Is anyone really gullible enough to believe such shameless pandering?
Haha-- you're kidding, right? If the last seven years have taught me anything, it's that you simply cannot underestimate the intelligence of a crowd. Especially a religious crowd.
It's been a hard road from idealistic humanist to realist, I'll tell ya.
What's a good Catholic Boy like Rudy doing in an Evangelical Church
anyway?
Three Our Fathers, and Three Hail Mary's Rudy, and twice around the stations of the cross, Rudy...
Start praying!
Florida is rigged , this is the 3rd time I repeat this. Giuliani is taking FLorida.
SM @ 47:
this make alot of sense........TY
Is katie going after rudy? What would Judy do? Puts a whole new meaning to WWJD? doesn't it. Get them both out of my state
mudshark @ 52:
.
But that doesn't explain why the Hispanic population in the west votes Repug.Calif,Arizona,New Mexico,Texas,Nevada...........All these states have a certain % of Hispanics voting repug....especially in So Calif..
It's hard to believe anyone in any church goes there and feels the spirit of any god, let alone Gulliani feeling it, what a sad joke.
The only way he'd feel the spirit of God in that room is if the Good Lord had blasted him with a lightning bolt for taking His name in vain.
Those latinos in Florida are mainly cubans who got their ass kicked out of Cuba years ago for corruption and greed. They've squawked about it ever since. Always looking for a Republican to take their plight on about how they have been so mistreated and to get their "land" back so that they can again enslave the cuban peasants to fulfill their greedy needs and once again become the royalty they think they deserve.
WashStateBlue @ 50:
LOL....you know your way around that stuff....yeah....I remember that stuff too.
Timmy_D11 @ 32:
Not sure about now....my wife is Mexican and her family and friends are voting Democratic this time. She has relatives who have never voted before and will vote for the very first time in primaries (tsk, tsk, i know, but it's never too late).
So who knows. It will be interesting to see the voting demographics this time around.
Many hispanics seem to have the impression that Republicans think most of them are illegal immigrants that need to be deported. Hmmmm, I wonder why? (cough) Tancreeeedo!
MS @ 8:
Judith watch out. Katherine Harris is vying for the name of Katherine Giuliana.
Rudy found God? Well, it worked for GW. Just think! If Rudy finds Jesus, is 'born again', then everything he did in his 'previous' life will be out of bounds! What a deal!
Johnny2Bad @ 38:
Link no good.
I think Rudy should shit can his name and legally call himself Nine of Eleven, like Seven of Nine in Star Trek. He's been assimilated by the Collective and his robotic Neocon chip, why not? One problem---he is a whole lot uglier than Jeri Ryan. He might soil the Collective's bad reputation.
What I find amazing is.....He actually thinks he stands a chance.He really thinks he's got a shot at it..This would be funny,if it wasn't so pathetic.
Service every sunday morning, from 9 - 11 .
mudshark @ 64:
Rudy is quietly backed by some of the most powerful elite in the world...and he knows it!
his confidence shows it!
mudshark @ 54:
I have NO idea why that's the case on the West Coast.
At least I can tell you about Florida's Rethug Latino drama because I live here.
I do know this: Bush in 2004 poured 10s of millions of dollars in a great Spanish language campaign called "Viva Bush" that was really appealing - he had testimonials and he spoke Spanish thoughout the ad, why he felt you should vote for him, that his sister-in-law is from Mexico therefore understands the "Hispanic Family."
John Kerry on the other hand, had a very DRY AND DULL ad campaign, they did not do their market research the right way.
kerplunk @ 57:
Exactly. And it's the older Cubans who feel that it's JFK's fault that Cuba turned Communist, Fidel asked for the US for aid, they negged on it, so he turned to the Soviets, etc.
The Ruby Ghouliani Traveling Song And Dance 9-11 Revival and Campaign Train is freaking hilarious! Every city a different show! What will they come up with next?
I think he needs to do something in pasties and a sequenced G-string. Something tasteful like singing "Old Tyme Religion" whilst juggling red white and blue sparklers. I can hardly wait!
Northern California Dave @ 31:
Well, the world needs ditch diggers too!
A shameless snakeoil salesman, that's Rudolfo Guilianni... and a liar, cheat, and ne'er do well pontificating blasphemer.
Oh yeah and a real prick!
That's why here in Floriduh,it's tough being a free thinker-even just a thinker. Gawd! Rudy and 'ride my pony' Katy Harris! Mmm mmm mmm. What would Jesus do?
It must be a different spirit he felt at his previous weddings.
cygnusx1isahole @ 5:
what on earth will they do? the questions are allready desighned to only get answers from billery and obama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Makes sense to me. Rudy needs suckers to vote for him, and what better place to find them?
There's a Chinese proverb about how certain people clutch the feet of Buddha only in times of peril.
I wonder if NBC will postpone the debate.. They said on Countdown with Olbermann that NBC is appealing the ruling. They can't really postpone it because the caucuses are coming up on Saturday.. maybe they'll cancel it altogether.. They can't totally control the message with Kucinich on the stage. Hello, that's what its supposed to be all about anyway!
The question to ask is " Who is Giuliani's campaign manager?"
It does not matter. The guy should be fired,
Giuliania's Foreign Affairs Consultant is Norm Podhoretz.
Norm should be fired.
Norm is a buddy of William Kristol who is part of the McCain Team.
McCain is an Idiot sort of like George .
McCain may be the next President if he wins Florida and Ohio.
Kristol should be fired.
It does not matter America is in deep shit.
Idiots can be elected for the position of President of the USA.
This has been proven more than once.
Thats OK most people do not want a leader that has any intelligence.
Make sure you have minimalized the debt that you are carrying.
SCHRODINGER'S CAT @ 78:
May I add 'use cash only'?
Rudy will be denied communion for supporting abortion and homosexuality.
By the way, did the wealthy gay couple he stayed with while he was divorcing Donna ever appear on the campaign trail with him?
and is he praying that no one ever mentions the words
BERNARD KERIK.
BERNARD KERIK.
BERNARD KERIK.
BERNARD KERIK.
Further proof of the non existence of god.
I thought that Katherine Harris was jewish.
"Is anyone really gullible enough to believe such shameless pandering?"
Oh yes. Never underestimate the stupidity of the religious right.
Desperate times call for desperate measures. Out with the Marilyn Monre drag and in with the Church Lady.
PassedPawn @ 84:
6 words: George Bush won a second term.
Hey folkth,
For the clown who keepth calling my campaign offithes and athking for "Thindy Brady," THERE ITH NO THINDY BRADY WORKING ON MY CAMPAIGN!!!!!!!
Vote for me! 9/11!!!
Rudy
Sweet Jesus, has Rudy Giuliani’s discovered religion in Katherine Harris's breasts?
Rudy's gone thru a greater transformation than a butterfly from a caterpillar...
How can the Devil himself feel the spirit of God.. That is why he is the devil!
Rudy's a dumb mark. He has the worst strategists in the world. "we'll sit Iowa, NH, MI, SC and NV out and still win Florida!"-Rudy's advisors to the serial groom bumpkin
Fuck Rudy!
vote para mí Mr.9/11
Yep Rudy's a hypocrite and a bigot, hopefully he will turn from his bigotry but probably not in time for him to be weeded out in the primaries.
Good. I have a question for the newly anointed prophet Ghouliani:
Where was that spirit of God on 9/11? Huh, asshole?
Did you see Rudy on Fox Noise Sunday? I was amazed that Chrissie Pooh actually asked him some fairly tough questions, mainly (seemingly) designed to show Rudy is washed up. But what really amazed me was that every time a question was asked, or when Rudy would finish his answer, he'd let go of a silly kind of giggle. He even giggled when Chrissie Pooh said it was time for a commercial break. (Nothing funny about that!) I'm not talking the giggle of a comic or a person who's just tossed a zinger, but the giggle of a village idiot, a person who is on the verge of lunacy (or perhaps already slipping into madness?). Then the thought occurred to me, could it be that Rudy, the great ex-federal prosecutor, is on some kind of pharmaceutical designed to keep him awake? He sure sounded that way. On the other hand, he also sounded simply unstable. Is this really someone we want in posession of the keys to the Fail Safe Box?
"Pandering" isn't the right word for a guy who goes into a church filled with people who justifiably hate his guts, then asks them to "pray for me" rather than give him their votes.
That, folks, is puckering. Ask John McCain when he hugged the man who smeared his adopted daughter. When you pull stunts like that, you want it 'waaaay too much.
I would smack my forehead before shaking my head in disgust, but I'm afraid I've had to do that so many times lately, I must desist due to the bruising.
It's Florida, of course they'll fall for it.
Just ask Fark
“This is a beautiful church (9-11), and I can feel (9-11) the spirit of God (9-11) in this room,” Just like I did on 9-11......
Pathetic.
Anyone wanna take bets that BafanGoul-iani will take Florida?
SpankeyTheMonkey @ 101:
Nice.....
I like that one. Why can't these dick heads keep the whole relgion thing outa this? I mean seriously. Where is the guy who gonna try and impress those of us who are Agnostic?
Repubs..... fuckin' ass hats....
rumor has it Rudy's balls burst into flame the minute he made the sign of the cross. But his pedophile priest buddy blew the flames out for him
...either that, or 7,000 thought they were at a Heat game.
I can't believe that the cigar-bar-trawling Judy Nathan Giuliani lets him go anywhere with Katherine Harris.
Sandman @ 99:
Do the dumb filter south and wind up there or something? Even my friends in Palm Beach complain about how dumb people are in Florida.
kerplunk @ 57:
I used to live in So. FL, and you couldn't have said it any better. After the whole Elian debacle, most all of the non-Cubans in So FL absolutely HATE that Cuban bullshit. Luckily, a lot of the younger Cuban-Americans have a much more realisitic view of the world, and realize that "Hating Castro" isn't just another name for the Republican party.
DickCheneyShotMeInTheFace @ 41:
I bet they sprinkled it with holy water after he left, though.
Rudy's finally in the right venue, churches are the repository for scoundrels and idiots.
Churches are the earthly Purgatory, the last stop before the descent into Hell.
I can't stand Giuliani, but what on earth is wrong with requiring would-be US citizens to be able to speak English?
John B @ 110:
Because it's not actually the U.S.'s official language. (It is in practice, but I'm pretty sure there's not a binding law.) Also, the First Amendment.
I guess he thinks that the Latino Community in Metro Dade and South Florida don't use or know how to use cable TV or the internets. This is not the 19th or early 20th century,where you can say different thing in different parts of the country and people won't know about it. Everything he says or thinks of saying is recorded, OK I'm making the last part up. But every time he opens his mouth, in semi-private meetings and public meetings, somebody is watching and taping in both audio and video. Everything you say, I'll be watching you. As Senator Biden put it. Every sentence has three things, a noun, a verb and 911. St. Rudy of 911.
Rusty Shackleford @ 111:
If some one comes to this country and doesnt learn to speak English, I really don't care. My problem is when they tell me that I need to speak Mexican. If you want to operaterate in this country.... learn the damn language! Also, will somebody please start a petition to take the mexican writing off of my mayonaise jar. It's starting to piss me off.
mcrown @ 113:
Holy shit! I never knew Mexican was a language. Learn something new every day I guess.
mcrown @ 113:
Somebody told you that you need to speak Mexican?
Ha! What a loser. He's such a pathetic man.
No that was your meds kickin' in dumbass.
RUDY WE DONT CARE ABOUT 9/11 ANYMORE,SHUT UP.
mudshark @ 35:
I think it has to do with Kennedy, Castro and the Bay of Pigs.
Well, well, well, first Giuliani caves into the xenophobic pressure from within his party (well, actually, as far as I'm aware, Mr. 9/11 has always been this bigoted), then he goes to a bilingual church... ¡Sopreza! Not. *rolls eyes*
In light of some of the comments here wondering about the Latino vote, and remembering I referred to a poll done by Zogby/HispanicWire, well, I found a blog that has the results they found. It's here.
I really really hope that the Cubanos are paying attention to this shit and abandon the Repugs along with the rest of us...
I got a call tonight from the Guiliani campaign asking if I supported him.
"NO!"
I may have supported NYC firemen, or veterans, but never that asshole. Guiliani's team is hitting the very bottom of their purchased phone list, apparently.
I can feel the spirit of God in this room, 9/11. Let us bow our heads, 9/11. Let me triumph over mine enemies, 9/11. Amen, 9/11.
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