FBI Denies File Exposing Nuclear Threats--Worlds Collide
By Nicole Belle Saturday Jan 19, 2008 9:01amSibel Edmonds, meet Valerie Plame Wilson
The FBI has been accused of covering up a key case file detailing evidence against corrupt government officials and their dealings with a network stealing nuclear secrets.
The assertion follows allegations made in The Sunday Times two weeks ago by Sibel Edmonds, an FBI whistleblower, who worked on the agency's investigation of the network.[..]
One of the documents relating to the case was marked 203A-WF-210023. Last week, however, the FBI responded to a freedom of information request for a file of exactly the same number by claiming that it did not exist. But The Sunday Times has obtained a document signed by an FBI official showing the existence of the file.
Edmonds believes the crucial file is being deliberately covered up by the FBI because its contents are explosive. She accuses the agency of an "outright lie".[..]
The anonymous letter names a high-level government official who was allegedly secretly recorded speaking to an official at the Turkish embassy between August and December 2001.
It claims the government official warned a Turkish member of the network that they should not deal with a company called Brewster Jennings because it was a CIA front company investigating the nuclear black market. The official's warning came two years before Brewster Jennings was publicly outed when one of its staff, Valerie Plame, was revealed to be a CIA agent in a case that became a cause célèbre in the US.
Scooter was right...all those aspen roots are connected. And they are definitely turning. The problem lies with whether those charged with oversight will actually do their jobs.








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Im happy to see this story finally getting some attention ! Keep us up to date on what happens next. We know , this govt has been doing this for years .
I for one am NOT surprised. I think if the world actually knew the truth about what the FBI and CIA have done since World War 2, the world and Americans in general would be disgusted, shocked, and totally embarrassed to say the least. History books are written with few facts and lots of propaganda.
Hmmmm....
the FBI covering something up? Like say the 1993 World Trade Bombing that was done under the eye of the FBI and the FBI handlers didn't want the informant to swap out the explosives for harmless material?
FBI informant recorded the conversations with his official handler. Judge in the case suppressed the tape recorded evidence...the Judge was the current AG, Mukasey.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F1Y6cGRXEs&eurl=
they wouldn't lie to start a war,they'd never do anything like that.
mudshark @ 4:
Nope. Never.
Cointelpro... enuf said
Agent Provocateurs...
Front men and shill groups...
False flag operations...
Thanks Nicole, C&L is doing their part. The ball is in our court to spread this around and make these revelations common knowledge.
Change? The candidates must be made to speak to these crimes.
Well well well,
C&L's grew them a set, after all. Wow, it's like . . . real news . . . of course Sibel's story had been absolutely ignored by this blog and others for years now. But, really, congratulation, and how does it feel to be a news source with integrity? Good? Yeah.
Just wait until they find that Laura Bush has made underwear out of the skins of children....THEN the shit will hit the fan!
Uh the criminals win.
Hasn't anyone noticed.
I love the smell of treason in the morning...........
I keep seeing this story flirting on the edges of the blogosphere from time to time, but I figure it is too big and will get too many powerful people in trouble, so we will never know what really went on. Just like the Kennedy assassination. Too many important people could get in trouble.
L.A. Confidential @ 10:
They don't really win actually. But they enjoy their power lunches in D.C. Land for the time being.
So they outed Valerie Plame to punish Joe Wilson and to stop her work permanently. Would like to know the real repercussions of outing Plame and KBR. Cheney and the Carlisle Group are moving nukes, arms, "WMD", drugs, and people illegally. This is why they wanted DPW to control major American ports, and this is why Halliburton moved its headquarters to Dubai. Basically our government is run by a criminal gang of pirates and mercenaries. I hope that Sibel Edmond's knowledge makes it into mainstream consciousness and we have real investigations with severe consequences, but I doubt it.
foolme1ns @ 12:
Forget it. There's no way this is every going to see the light of day.
No way.
Could someone put more of this together? I remember some bits and pieces of this, but it's been sometime. Any links, etc.?
I've believed from the beginning that the outing of Plame was always about shutting down the Brewster Jennings operation rather than punishing Joe Wilson for his op-ed.
I think Cheney saw (perhaps yet another) another opportunity to stop B-J's investigation into WMDs in Iraq and WMD proliferation in the black markets once Joe Wilson came out with that op-ed in the Times. He probably figured it would seem perfectly plausible to his useful idiots in the media that he would ratfuck Wilson, and they would never question whether he might have a yet even more sinister reason for wanting them to get the Plame story out there.
But... impeachment's off the table, right?
(The only possible thing that might make me feel better about Pelosi's stand on this is that she's figuring that Bush would pardon everyone around him on impeachment issues, whereas if she waits until he's out of office, they can go after Bush & Cheney for treason.
Yeah, I know. I'm *really* dreaming about that last one.)
Edmonds and Plame are true Patriots in every sense of the word. We are looking at high level person(s) in the U.S. Government that have commited high treason and much more against the United States. Could foreign intelligence agencies with this knowledge use these individuals as blackmail or for some other purpose? You bet! These high officials need to be exposed for the traitors that they are and given the proper punishment.
STEVEinSC @ 16:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibel_Edmonds
Alexa, I see you & I are one the same page on this one.
Thanks Crooks & Liars for shedding some light on this complex and important story. Thanks.
Would our government lie to us?
Would the bureau founded by J. Edgar Hoover lie to us?
Nevermind.
STEVEinSC @ 16:
here is sibel edmunds official website...
http://www.justacitizen.com/
Joe O. @ 18:
The top 1% takes care of itself.
Steve,
A fellow who goes by the name of Lukery has this website
He's been doing amazing work over the years, just trying to get Edmond's story to see the light of day, as well as some oversight hearings. Are you listening John Conyers?
STEVEinSC @ 16:
http://www.wanttoknow.info/sibeledmonds
Alexa Thymia @ 14:
I believe you are correct.This admin has taken corruption to a whole different level.Your comment about DPW certainly makes sense..Just think of all the items they could have smuggled out of the country,maybe even WMD's.......going to Iraq. EUREKA!...We Found Them.
Geri in CT @ 25:
Of course he's not listening it's all about MONEY.
gypsy howell @ 17:
I agree and have also posted about this alternative view of the Wilson-Plame outing. I feel that the real objective was not to smear Wilson, but to out Plame and get her out of the way. The objective was not WMD in Iraq, that was done, the real objective was to get the the non-ball player with a chatty husband out of the game before they started the next phase--IRAN!
Thanks.
mudshark @ 27:
Yes it's now the norm.
Not only am I not surprised I'm amused.
And curious.
How many times does the current crime syndicate posing as a "government" have to commit a crime before people start paying attention?
What do they do when actual news seeps into their lives? When they hear that the shrub co. crime syndicate has yet again been caught committing crimes against the American people ? Do they care at all? Or do they wait for further assurances from the liars themselves that all is well and people should go back to shuffling around inside their empty, pointless little lives and oh yeah don't forget to go SHOPPING! Because that's what's going to save the whole country! Really! Trust them! Just get your credit card and go buy a car! Because shrub co. says so. Oh and please disregard any news of capital crimes or treason or illegal wars or crumbling infrastructure. Just shut up and shop.
Congrats to the shrub co. crime syndicate on their successful coup.
Yes, but much more than just Plame. He/They (I assume it goes beyond Cheney) needed to shut down the whole B-J operation, and fry all their contacts worldwide, so they could get on with their criminal activities. And yes, Iran was definitely all part of it.
STEVEinSC @ 16:
http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/2007/11/sibel-edmonds-case-unte...
gypsy howell @ 17:
If this treason goes as deep as I think it goes, impeachment or even jail time will be the least of these traitors concerns and they know it. Therefore, it will never see the light of day. If those documents implicating those high officials ever became public the people will literally demand blood.
Joe O. @ 36:
Don't hold your breath. People are more concerned about seeking amusement and acquiring lots of neat stuff.
MargeAggedon @ 32:
the just keep doing all their crimes in front of the people.
shock and awe.
It expresses their power and the people submit, acquiesce, and tacitly approve by doing nothing of consequence.
thanks for posting this, nicole.
it's awfully sad that in america, peasants like us have to get online at least 3 hours a day, do the investigative work to save our country that the f.b.i. is supposed to be doing, and we don't get paid a penny for it.
meanwhile, disinfo trolls help flush our country down the crapper, and collect gov't checks. unbelievable how bad it's gotten. and make no mistake, there are tons of DoD and megaphone trolls working 7 days a week flooding comment threads -huffpo's got the worst infestation, but they're everywhere. (although, c&l's monitors are surprisingly good at "spot the spook").
anyhow, i say again, thanks nicole for posting this.
some other requests would include:
1) extensive coverage of voting machine fraud.
2) a thorough examination of the bush family history, including prescott bush's alleged involvement in the 1933 attempt to overthrow fdr, prescott's alleged help in building the nazi war machine, and the bush relationship with the family of john hinckley, jr.
3) open discussion about the history of false-flag terrorism, from the attack on the u.s.s liberty, to the gulf of tonkin fabrication, to the recent speedboat ruse, which appears to be an attempt to instigate a war.
i'd also love to see the day you post a 9/11 open thread -it'll probably get over a thousand comments- but i realize that may be a bit much, just yet.
You know, everyone that I knew that worked for the U.S. Government was extremely paranoid all of the time. This was especially true for those that worked in highly classified areas. Some of those people were formerly GS-10s or GS-14s and obviously held high level clearances. I always thought they were full of it. That is, until I went to work for that same Government. I learned really quick and became paranoid myself after some time and I didn't hold security clearances nearly as high as Edmonds, Plame or those other people. I've never worked for an organization that was so "cut throat" in my entire life.
Truth B Told @ 37:
Basic survival instinct and self preservation rules over reason, integrity, sincerity, and honesty in the Decade of Terror.
Until that changes nothing will change.
So, one other piece in this puzzle might be the return into government of the Iran-contra crowd Abrams, Poindexter, (where's Ollie?) etc., famous for funding rogue operations with "off-the-books" money.
Joe O. @ 39:
My comment also reminds me of what my father said to me when he was working at one of the maximum security prisons here in our state. He said, "You don't want to work for the state prison system. There you will have to work around thieves, drug dealers and the like and then you will have to worry about the inmates!" :lol:
Joe O. @ 39:
of course they're paranoid. look no further than the bizarre death of former c.i.a. director william colby. if a former c.i.a. director can get "suicided", who in their game can't?
i pray for ms. edmonds, and i hope any of you inclined toward such practice to do the same -she is one brave lady, and deserves our support.
I think it's prolly more the case that two separate needs happily coincided with each other. Two birds, one stone, etc...
This story is becoming a scandal worldwide, yet the American press or media have yet to mention it. Do we have censorship or what? The BradBlog is doing an excellent job along with Raw Story and now, I'm happy to see, Crooks & Liars. If it becomes widely distributed on the Internet, I don't see how the MSM can ignore it forever.
Thanks for putting this up, will our fiend Keith Olbermann take up the story ? if what sibel edmonds says is true then republican US officials could actually face charges of treason, selling nuclear secrets on the black market, even possibly to al qeada, would shake the foundations of American politics, and could wipe out the republican party for good ?
People like Olbermann, a truth teller, should forget about his career and put this story out, this is far more important than any mans job.
Olbermann take up Sibels story please.
Gypsy, we are on the same page. I think the intense scrambling on Air Force I after the op-ed was "evidence of a guilty mind" as they say in Law and Order, but it was too much of a reaction to be about the op-ed itself. After all, a lone voice making a fairly complex point in an NY Times op-ed was never going to stop the invasion; the drumbeat to invade drowned out all other voices. So once I knew where Plame worked, it seemed much more likely that they were trying to stop that work or avoid detection themselves. I thought they might have been trying to move nukes and WMD into Iraq to "prove" their case for invasion, but I think they always had way bigger fish to fry than that. The behavior of these people is the very definition of conspiracy.
This is what they say: Don't talk about "class warfare".
This is what they do: Wage class warfare to the hilt.
This is what they say: "We're keeping the United States safe from terrorists."
This is what they do: Invade countries that didn't hurt us, steal their resources, torture their people, ruin their infrastructure, and create the likelihood of several decades more of increased terrorism and hatred of the United States.
This is what they say: "We're for free markets and free trade."
This is what they do: Conspire and take actions, both technically legal and shockingly illegal, to control the world's oil supply, nukes, arms, and probably drugs so they concentrate their personal wealth and, more importantly, power. There is no such thing as a free market.
foolme1ns @ 12:
I don't see how they can keep a lid on it. It's all over the world except here.
What people don't realize, is where and how deep the corruption runs.
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/256.html
You want to know who sibel is talking about ?
here you go -
http://www.justacitizen.com/images/Gallery%20Draft2%20for%20Web.htm
ROM Spaceknight @ 43:
That she's still alive is the one strike against her credibility.
Plame and Edmonds were looking at the same covert network
Maybe Leahy and Grassley can look into this further..
"...we fear that the designation of information as classified in some cases [brought forth by Sibel Edmonds] serves to protect the executive branch against embarrassing revelations and full accountability... Releasing declassified versions of these reports, or at least portions or summaries, would serve the public’s interest, increase transparency, promote effectiveness and efficiency at the FBI, and facilitate Congressional oversight." -U.S. Senators Patrick Leahy (D-VT) and Charles Grassley (R-IA) in a Letter to Attorney General John Ashcroft
Sibel Edmond's Website
http://www.justacitizen.com
Edmonds and Plame are heroes. They risked their lives to try to help end the madness.
The neocons are right...we need more jails....but for the neocon crooks!
So now we know...there was another alternative reason for outing Valerie Plame. TO SHUT DOWN THE ORGANIZATION THAT WAS UNCOVERING BLACK MARKET NUCLEAR WEAPONS. This is the government we have folks..
ROM Spaceknight @ 43:
to add to my comment...
i fully realize how paranoid folks with high security clearance are, because even as a low-rent piss-poor peasant with a crappy internet connection, i myself get a little paranoid. i mean, all of society is now under total surveillance. and so when we come on message boards, we assume a certain degree of risk.
but i'm literally ready to die, if need be, to save my country for the next generation, for little kids like my nephew.
i pray i don't -i want to get rich and raise a family.
but, see, the previous generation sunk us to where we are now, when gerry ford let all the crooks off the hook, without the whole truth coming out. we have to get the truth out, or it's only going to get a whole lot worse in the years to come.
i myself am a non-violent pacifist resistor. i'm also an american patriot. i always tell tyree, when the lovable old coot's on one of his drunk rants, i emphatically do not support armed rebellion in this country. for one, the citizenry doesn't stand a chance. what, are we going to storm the white house with mail-order slingshots and .22's? and two, i don't think the best way to fight darkness is with more darkness, it's with light.
look at how much one little voice like edmonds has accomplished, by telling the truth. it gives me hope that we have a better chance than we may have previously believed.
remember, in chess (and this is most certainly a nod to recently deceased crazy old bobby fischer), while no one may kill the king, even the tiny pawn can put him in check, even checkmate.
Folks this is huge, but it needs someone like Olbermann to put the story out into the MSM, up to know it's been totally ignored. We need to start a campaign to get this story on msm.
KEITH OLBERMANN YOUR COUNTRY NEEDS YOU.
Ron @ 49:
oooohh... a rockefeller link! thanks, now you've given me an excuse to post this david rockefeller quote, cut and pasted directly from wikipedia:
"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure — one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." — From Rockefeller's "Memoirs", (p.405).
I totally agree with Gypsy Howell - what happened to Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson is just a very small part of the overall picture. Walt Kelly famously said "We have met the enemy and he is us" and that pretty much sums up what has been happening: create a constant state of fear, provide money and weapons to your "enemies" and presto you have a permanent totalitarian state where there is neverending war, death and destruction (plus big-time profits and limitless power to those who are running this criminal enterprise).
ConcernedCanuck @ 2:
The world would care. Americans? Not so much.
andy @ 56:
Take a little time... countdown@msnbc.com
The Sunday Times changed the title of this article.
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18204
Jon Gold @ 61:
lo and behold!.....tis Jon Gold!
A Great Nation Will Know.
Honesty, Justice and The Truth
Every American Citizen Should See this..
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1991080575212848283&q=KILL+THE+M...
http://www.justacitizen.com
ROM Spaceknight @ 57:
Kennedy warned us...about secrecy/secret societies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G12CeMgXH3w
calgarylady @ 58:
Sounds like "1984" to me. Orwell was right - just off by a few years. Yup, the PTB finally have their endless war concept implemented and we the people will be the ones suffering, fighting and dying so they can continue to live in oppulence. And, the sad thing is that even in this age of instant communications, most of the world's population has no idea how they are being used in this lunatic passion play.
I'm really an agnostic, but just in case, every day I say a prayer to God (whichever one might be paying attention) to rid the Earth of these true neo-con, NWO vermin, the Bushs, Cheneys, Rockefellers, Kissingers, Kristols, etc., etc., etc., and their counterparts in governments across the planet (for Americans are not the only crooks ooperating here), and let the rest of us, the good people of the world, just live our lives. AMEN
This could be the smoking gun that finally gives motive for outing valerie plame, and finally makes obvious that her outing was TREASON.
High crimes and misdemeanors, here we come!
MargeAggedon @ 32:
I don't believe anything that CRAZY commies believe. I am an American and believe everything my president says on the TeeVee. Fox News tells me that if you are not with us then you are all terrorists or terrorist-sympathizers. That's why I believe Sibel Edmonds does not exist. She is a pigment of your twisted imagination. Everybody Knows you are all a bunch of nuts.
Alexa Thymia @ 14:
I am not a crook; arrrrrgggg!
"The problem lies with whether those charged with oversight will actually do their jobs."
This is a rhetorical question right?
The people tasked with oversight and commit these crimes are one and the same...
mr. grossman #69. love your work, especially the work that never happened as far as we are allowed to know. I sure you can verify that Sibel does not exist as far the American people are (not very) concerned. Remember folks, We can't handle the truth.
Thanks Nicole.
"The anonymous letter names a high-level government official who was allegedly secretly recorded speaking to an official at the Turkish embassy between August and December 2001."
"Edmonds has given confidential testimony inside a secure Sensitive Compartmented Information facility on several occasions: to congressional staffers, to investigators from the O.I.G., and to the staff from the 9/11 commission. Sources familiar with this testimony say that, in addition to her allegations about the Dickersons, she reported hearing Turkish wiretap targets boast that they had a covert relationship with a very senior politician indeed—Dennis Hastert, Republican congressman from Illinois and Speaker of the House since 1999. The targets reportedly discussed giving Hastert tens of thousands of dollars in surreptitious payments in exchange for political favors and information. “The Dickersons,” says one official familiar with the case, “are only the tip of the iceberg.”...."
From the Edmonds article in Vanity Fair
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Reference to "Exhibit 203a" published BEFORE London Times Doc 203A article was made public, seems to confirm Sibel case- Sibel told the truth.
At Syriacomment.com- a M.E. blog has been having a hot discussion since Jan 17, two days before the latest Sibel revelations came out addressing Israeli treason. "T"'s thread addresses the issue indepth. The entire thread must be viewed to get full impact. Then "T" refers to "Exhibit 203a" as being evidence used in a court case to convict Israeli dual nationals of treason/spying. The Item was posted BEFORE the information was ever made public on the London Times news site. (The post is stamped 7:07pm but on this site- 5hrs is always added from the actual time of the blogger hitting the "submit" key. Which makes the post at 2:07pm EST. Calls to London TimesOnline said no version of the Sibel Edmonds article went public BEFORE 2:43pm EST (7:43 London GMT). See "Saudi Money Cant buy you love- or success" in the comments section of Syriacomment.com.
Treason by any other name
The big stories are so massive the utterances of their truths globally will usher in a new age of consciousness. the alternative is to exist as a race of gollums striving against each other.
Thanks again Nicole
A cout d'etat of the American government has occurred right in front of us all. It was really very clever in the way it was done. Get a stupid, spoiled rich fratboy for President (whose father was once President and who has close ties to CIA, FBI, etc) and surround him with evil string-pullers and let the fun begin! There's Dick Cheney standing behind the Rose Garden bushes (no pun intended) while Chimpy boy blathers on. Then there's the man-size safe in Cheney's office, the suspicious fire in Cheney's office, the visitor logs to Cheney's office declared off-limits, and even the list of employees who work for Cheney is secret. Chimpy gets to go to fun places, play with shiny things, dance and laugh with all his friends and enemies alike. And we can all be assured that they, especially Cheney, are laughing at him (and us). Play time is over, Dick. Now it is time to go to your room in Guantanamo. I've heard that the waterboarding there is to die for! Peace to the rest of us who are trying to stay safe and sane.
More background links on this story available here:
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5582
- Tom
http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/, , in case you want to read more about Sibel Edmonds.
calgarylady @ 77:
The only thing I would disagree with is that this coup happened many years ago, before HW and W came along. The coup was only delayed by Smedley Butlers patriotism and courage. What we actually see more commonly is just a change in the management of the American Gov't mafia.
you always remove all the conspiracy theories, but i will give my opinion anyway.
but thanks for doing a great job.
i believe bush/cheney have been at the bottom of a lot of foreign espionage from before and including 911. now, we have one of the most important agencies allegedly hiding and/or covering up the mishandling of nuclear materials of some kind. it's has become more apparent each day of bush/cheney's admin. that they will stoop to the lowest of transgressions against the American Constitution and the American people.
but, that's just my opinion....and i'm sticking to it. bush/cheney are lowlife BASTARDS.
Truth B Told @ 80:
exactly. american fascists tried it on fdr in 1933, it failed, fdr hit them back with the "trading with the enemy act", that REALLY pissed them off, so they tried again in 1963, when kennedy was ready to pull out of vietnam, and the rest, as they say, is history...
andy @ 56:
I'm keeping my fingers crossed. But Keith was too cowardly to even mention that GE went all the way to the Nevada Supreme Court to keep Dennis Kucinich from speaking to Democrats at the Nevada Democratic Debate.
Could it be because Kucinich has been the most opposed to building more Nuclear Power Plants, Ending the Iraq Occupation and De-regulating Media? And that these happen to be almost ALL of GE's biggest revenue streams.
Keith Olbermann had an opportunity to report on Corporate Censorship of Political Debates and CHOSE to keep his mouth shut.
Keith, you lambast O'Reilly nightly for being doing Murdoch's dirty work. But you were apparantly all-too-happy to do GE's dirty work by keeping silent on the hideous undemocratic crime of Corporate Censorship. For one night at least I see little difference between O'Reilly and Olbermann.
Keith, do you care to right a wrong? Will you dare to break the TOTAL American MEDIA BLACKOUT on Sibel Edmonds and tell the American people the truth?
For the sake of the nation I hope so.
The Bush family has a long tradition of arming the people they are telling us are the bad guys.
I sent tons of information to Keith Olbermann and Dan Abrams weeks ago on Sibel Edmonds.
Here are a few more links:
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0802-06.htm
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19015.htm
And finally, her speech before the American Library Association (with her attorney standing by):
http://blip.tv/file/314908
The MSM will not touch this story until sources like C&L, Commondreams, HuffingtonPost, Salon, Politico etc. get into their faces too much. I'm sure Olbermann, Matthews, Hannity, Hume, Blitzer, Shuster etc. all all busy coming up with the story that will poo-poo the whole thing. They'll spin it how ever they need to in order to shut us up. Perhaps Air America, Rachel Maddow or Randi Rhodes might catch on to this? They are so enamored with Clinton, Obama, Edwards, Conyers, Pelosi and all the other Democratic co-conspirators that I doubt they would be of much help.
Be aware that SB 1959, "The Stifling of Dissent on the Internet Act of 2008" is about to be taken up in The Homeland Security Committee chaired by Joe Lieberman, McCain's new sidekick. Of course Obama is on the committee. I will be shocked if he rushes back to D.C. to fight for the Constitution is trying so very hard to take an oath to "Preserve, Protect and Defend against ALL enemies, both foreign and "DOMESTIC".
"The problem lies with whether those charged with oversight will actually do their jobs."
The FBI is not charged with oversight. They are charged with investigation and prosecution. They don't do it any more, but that's their job.
The Congress can add this to the list, but good luck getting complicit R to care.
• Let's not forget that Bushco published Hussein's nuclear secrets -- in Arabic -- for six months on the web.
• Let's not forget that Bushco failed to guard ANY of Iraq's nine nuclear dumps for an entire month (after the looting was over).
• Let's not forget that Bushco failed entirely to punish Khan of Pakistan for spreading nuke secrets to Iran, Libya, Iraq, and N. Korea. Instead, Bushco rewarded Musharaf. (that's actually linked to the current story)
• Let's not forget that Bushco has burned intelligence assets numerous times (each of them an act of treason). Not just Plame, but the AQ mole who the British developed, who C Rice outed to the NYT (who dutifully published the name). There are other examples.
Abbybwood @ 85:
Putting Conyers and Pelosi and Edwards in with Clinton and calling them co-conspirators is the rankest form of slander.
HOW is Conyers a co-conspirator? He published a book with 25 major felonies from Bushco, and held hearings in the basement when we were in the minority.
Disaffiliated leftists (or masquerading rightists) will slander anyone. They don't care about the truth.
cygnusx1isahole @ 83:
Gee, I wonder what channel Olbermann is on?
I'm sure you slap traffic cops, Swan. Show some spine yourself.
STEVEinSC @ 41:
Last I heard "Ollie" was recruiting "civilian contractors" to "work" in Iraq.
CounterPunch: Torture, Incorporated - Oliver North Joins the Party
ConcernedCanuck @ 2:
"The world" nows a lot more than the average American.
By and large Americans have been totally insulated from the atrocities committed in our name and with our tax dollars.
On the other hand, most anyone who has been in the resistance in this country has at least heard about the atrocities, even if they haven't experienced them firsthand.
The Iranians know, at least the older ones. So do the Nicaraguans, the Salvadorans, the Chileans, the Vietnamese .. and the list goes on.
Paul in LA @ 87:
with all due respect, paul (and i do respect you), that last statement itself seems a bit slanderous.
(also, i gave you my response way down on the lbj-king thread).
myiq2xu @ 22:
Wouldd "w" lie to us?
Paul in LA @ 87:
Disaffected leftists (me) ...have discovered the truth...
And the truth is...if impeachment is off the table...and you knew about torture...and said NOTHING(Nancy)...you might, ...be a co-conspiritor.
Nice to see this on C&L. The conspiracy theorist labeling thing is getting old, considering what we're dealing with here. Properly investigated conspiracies are no longer theories - simply crimes. We've been seeing them for more than a century, although usually documented far too late. Please also keep C&L's attention on voting integrity at this critical juncture - together we have an opportunity to make history rather than simply watch events unfold in a predictable fashion. Again, cheers to C&L, one of my favorite sites.
mateito @ 94:
Agreed. Thanks for the comment.
Why no "filed under" category or tags on this story? I'd suggest Sibel Edmonds as a possible tag?
READ THE REST OF THIS STORY:
The "government official warned a Turkish member of the network that they should not deal with a company called Brewster Jennings because it was a CIA front company investigating the nuclear black market" is Marc Grossman.
http://www.atlargely.com/2008/01/times-online-dr.html
And . . .
http://www.atlargely.com/2008/01/sibel-speaks.html
milquetoast @ 93:
There is ZERO actual evidence that Pelosi was ever told of anything illegal. The facts show that she was briefed a full year before Harmon contested the briefing. The whole thing was a hit piece orchestrated by our enemies in the first place, and Harmon is not exactly a friend.
You need a good scapegoat, how about the people who ORDERED the illegal activities, and not a person informed of some of those activities under a top secret clearance that cannot be broken during a coup.
Shit, I'm so tired of people and their inability to focus on the REAL enemies, instead of the relatively good politicians who have been working in a situation where the Judicial branch is in collapse, and the media is in full complicity. Exactly where are they to turn?
Pelosi knows that the vote in the Senate is 75-25 Bushco. Because you refuse to count the votes and know that yourself, you can attack her. That we still have a Constitution is to a significant degree her doing. And she worked harder than any Speaker in U.S. history last year, with 1,186 roll call votes (compare to the last Congress' 671). As a side-effect of doing so, she forced 20 R to resign (because they don't want to work 5-day weeks). She passed 148 substantive measures, 358 routine measures, and 447 symbolic measures. How many of those do any of her critics know about? Basically nothing the blogs didn't focus on.
IF she was complicit, she could have joined Hastert in doing NOTHING. And that's not what happened. Her efforts, if we had a good Senate and any kind of legal executive, would be historic and would make all of us proud. But because you need a scapegoat for factors entirely out of her control, and not a result of her, she's your target.
It's disgusting, and shallow, and fake. And the ones who are the most vocal against her are the ones who are doing nothing to help change things, because once you have a scapegoat, what else do you need?
Now that Waxman has taken care of the important stuff (steroids in Baseball ??), maybe he will, as promised, look into this.
Orangutan. @ 95:
exactly. anyone trying to solve a crime HAS to think like a conspiracy theorist. start with the impossible, the unlikely, then work your way in... a criminal mastermind can think in the abstract, we who take the law seriously have to be able to do the same.
mjvpi @ 99:
Sorry to go OT to respond to this, but YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. Do you think that Waxman is the only person on that committee?
The MINORITY wants to spend time on this, and part of a functioning committee is that you have to do some of the minority's work as well.
Considering how Rep. Waxman has worked his ass down to the tailbone holding hearings on important issues as Chairman, would people PLEASE come to terms with the actual situation such a politician faces?
He cannot just spit in the faces of the minority on his committee. He has to do some of their issues, even if the youth-steroid health care crisis doesn't sound so important to childless leftists with hardons for attacking Democrats.
calgarylady @ 77:
This is the kind of Inquisition I could get behind. In the search for truth, along with a promise of no death penalties, the USA could join the civilized world, ban torture, but start a true Inquisition of those who choose to serve and lead. Bush and Cheney would not even testify to */** Commsision under oath. I want to see them do it alone, under oath, and under water.
Nine blurp blurp was blurbgasp job!
Long Live Sibel Edmonds!
Truth, I love you, respect and fear you, but most of I all, I miss you.
No death penalties? For common murder and such, agreed.
But for warcriminals? For genocidists? For traitors?
When Mussolini was captured by Italian patriots (trying to escape to the north in a German uniform), they held him and his girlfriend for a couple of days, and then a uniformed officer came and shot them both summarily (without discussion).
Then the local people killed a sample 20 fascists, and hanged the bodies from a gas station awning.
That's just history, but there is very good reason to retain the death penalty for acts so heinous that continued existence of the actor cannot be tolerated. Most of the middle class of a country that never attacked us is dead or destroyed, along with their culture, their books and artifacts, and archaeological digs, run over by tracks. In order to illegally install airbases. Hundreds of thousands of tons of uranium waste has been spread around the country. It's an irreparable disaster of the most heinous proportions.
That's a immeasurably more of a 'sin' than strangling someone.
Paul,
I'm not sure about mob justice Italian-style, but I do think the Romanians in '89 were pretty efficient in their pursuit of justice. I thought we could be take the high road (since waterboarding is not officially torture) and maybe if we made an effort to not let the movement devolve into a bloodthirsty, pitchfork-carrying mob, maybe we could transcend past history and be more civilized. On the other hand, a little apres-waterboarding/kangaroo court tar and feathering followed by a purge and public hanging would have a nostalgic ironic touch that is appealing.
It's about flippin time this story has been covered.
Leg @ 104:
My point was that there is plenty of reason to support the death penalty for crimes so heinous that continued existence of the actors is not tolerable -- as recognized by the Italians with the traitor/mass-murderer Mussolini.
Oh, and on the uranium, I mean to write tens of thousands of tons, but no one really knows the full damage done, except a gang of bastards in the Pentagon.
Good to see C&L bring this up......this is the type of the iceberg peeps! Keep a wary eye on this story because if we don't it will be buried with prejudice. It is the beginning of the real underworld of international relations. Drugs, nukes, intelligence agencies, traitors, Turkey, Israel, Pakistan, Terror, Niger Documents, Valerie Plame, Larry Franklin, AIPAC, ATC and on and on.......I hope people keep pulling this string......wow this is big!
STEVEinSC @ 16:
As I wrote earlier this morning there is no lack of information, but a lack of citizen uproar and activism.
See a short summary in "The SENSATIONAL Sibel Edmonds Story"
read about the cover up:
http://www.judiciaryreport.com/the_london_times_blasts_mueller_cover_up.htm
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