unless its kucinich or edwards i will not!

From the look of things, many Democrats will not (Hillary's belief to the contrary notwithstanding) line up behind the nominee.... if it's Hillary. There seems to be enough widespread disgust to make this a real problem And that, in turn, makes it an even greater shame that Edwards is so far behind. He is needed; his voice on poverty and corporatism should not go unheard.

Glad to see the media is starting to read my weekly letters?!? About how I'm not watching them, even after the election because of their disgraceful blackout of the Edwards candidacy. About how I am also not buying any of the products of their advertisers, either, and how that will continue after the election? I think they are getting millions of letters like mine. You cannot have a democracy without a free press. This election really showcases for me how right now in America we don't have a free press and I consider it to be a form of treason. The upside is I am watching less tv and saving money!

Fair point, Nicole. But while I'd have liked Edwards to have had the chance to push a progressive agenda on Olbermann, I'd also like to hear Clinton, Obama, and their supporters say that they too will support the nominee. I've no illusions that the nominee will have to be pushed away from the corporate teat and to do anything remotely progressive. No kidding. But Clinton is not the same as McCain nor is Obama the same as Romney.

Keith did a great job, as usual, but I think there were missed opportunities for questions that could and should be asked publicly right now:

Mr. Edwards, I would like to hear you come out against telecom immunity publicly and forcefully. Can you start on our show?

And, if Edwards could quickly summarize:

Would you please remind everyone in several major ways the present system is biased against the citizen in favor of special interests.

Nice bit their by Edwards, its freaky the the MSM give him so little time when he obviously appears to be so very capable.

I saw Keith Olbermann's show tonight and before they interviewed Edwards, they showed a clip of Obama saying that if he won the candidacy, Cilinton voters would for for him in the nationals, but that he believed that if she made the candidacy, his voters would not vote for her. WHAT KIND OF UNITY IS THAT? Of course, he's not a true Democrat!

John Edwards did not mention the clip, but he AS A TRUE DEMOCRAT THAT HE IS, did say he'd support the winner of the primary, more reason why I love him.

Clinton also alluded to unity in Philadephia, she said that our goal ws to put a Democrat in the White House and she will work hard for that whatever the outcome, also spoken LIKE A TRUE DEMOCRAT.

I'd love to see either an Edwards/Clinton or a Clinton/Edwards ballot. With a few exceptions, they have similar plans and goals, most of all, the EXPERIENCE to take the US where it needs to go.

Here's what I say: Who the hell cares if Hillary has found her goddamn voice? What about the voices of all the HAVE NOTS????? I'm voting for Edwards.

SM @ 13:

I saw Keith Olbermann's show tonight and before they interviewed Edwards, they showed a clip of Obama saying that if he won the candidacy, Cilinton voters would for for him in the nationals, but that he believed that if she made the candidacy, his voters would not vote for her. WHAT KIND OF UNITY IS THAT? Of course, he's not a true Democrat!

John Edwards did not mention the clip, but he AS A TRUE DEMOCRAT THAT HE IS, did say he'd support the winner of the primary, more reason why I love him.

Clinton also alluded to unity in Philadephia, she said that our goal ws to put a Democrat in the White House and she will work hard for that whatever the outcome, also spoken LIKE A TRUE DEMOCRAT.

I'd love to see either an Edwards/Clinton or a Clinton/Edwards ballot. With a few exceptions, they have similar plans and goals, most of all, the EXPERIENCE to take the US where it needs to go.

What experience do they have that other Democratic candidates don't have?

Obama just mentioned what is obvious, Hillary is more polarizing than he is and Obama has a greater ability to get Independents and Republicans to vote for him than Hillary does at this point.

Edwards answering that question just proves he's the person for the job.Unity.......Edwards 08!

Edwards could make considerable hay by shaming Obama and Clinton into standing with Dodd, or pointing out how supporting the telcos on FISA is the exact opposite of "change."

hillary rocks my world @ 20:

hillary will be the greatest president of our lifetimes

help make history

he he yeah right!!!!!!!!

I think Keith was helping Edwards point out what should be obvious -- especially at points in history like this one, you support the damn nominee unless there's a VERY good reason not to. President McCain, anyone?

We've all seen it happen before. We watched Kerry get torn down on progressive blogs before he got the nod, and then people, whether they liked it or not, supported him. I did. He wasn't my first pick, but hey, Obama's my personal 3rd pick and I'll work my ass off for him if he gets nominated.

Obama's comments about not knowing if his supporters would vote for Clinton smacked of extreme hubris.

Olbermann: “…Are we at the state where it would help every candidate right now, all three of you in here at the top by saying you will support and you will encourage your supporters to support the Democratic nominee, no matter who it is, and that Senators Clinton and Obama should join you in saying so, maybe even before this vote is taken on Saturday?

Edwards:”Absolutely, I say that right now. You know, I intend to be the nominee so I’ll hope to get the support of Senator Obama and Senator Clinton’s supporters, but we should absolutely support the nominee.”

why the fk does Olberman then say "Amen" ??? whats up Keith never heard of the separation of church and state ? :twisted:

tyree @ 1:

unless its kucinich or edwards i will not!

I'm sorry old friend but I think again we may have to bit the bullet and hold our noses and vote for the lesser of two evils. I too would like to see Kucinich or Edwards win but I will vote for any Dem now running over any PUG running!

Andrew @ 17:

SM @ 13:

I saw Keith Olbermann's show tonight and before they interviewed Edwards, they showed a clip of Obama saying that if he won the candidacy, Cilinton voters would for for him in the nationals, but that he believed that if she made the candidacy, his voters would not vote for her. WHAT KIND OF UNITY IS THAT? Of course, he's not a true Democrat!

John Edwards did not mention the clip, but he AS A TRUE DEMOCRAT THAT HE IS, did say he'd support the winner of the primary, more reason why I love him.

Clinton also alluded to unity in Philadephia, she said that our goal ws to put a Democrat in the White House and she will work hard for that whatever the outcome, also spoken LIKE A TRUE DEMOCRAT.

I'd love to see either an Edwards/Clinton or a Clinton/Edwards ballot. With a few exceptions, they have similar plans and goals, most of all, the EXPERIENCE to take the US where it needs to go.

What experience do they have that other Democratic candidates don't have?

Obama just mentioned what is obvious, Hillary is more polarizing than he is and Obama has a greater ability to get Independents and Republicans to vote for him than Hillary does at this point.

You clearly don't understand, Obama is basically giving an order with that claim to his supporters, to not support Hillary if she wins.

The good sport thing to do for the PARTY is to support whoever wins. Clinton stated that, Edwards stated that.

Being the whiny cry-baby he is, Obama did not say that, you know why? Because Obama doesn't care to put a Democrat in the White House, he cares ONLY TO PUT HIMSELF in the White House. He doesn't care about Democratic ideals or principl;es of the party, nor is interested in them. It's the party of the PEOPLE, not the party of OBAMA.

carpe deim, go get'em John & fuck billary

So, if Obama doesn't get the nomination, he's instructing his supporters to just vote "present'?

The media moguls up on high have already decreed who the new darling of the party is, and unfortunately, it seem that they are doing to Edwards what the so shamelessly did to Howard Dean - they are giving him the royal shaft. If Edwards is not the nominee, sensible people of this country should be plenty mad. One can only imagine where we would have been today with either a Gore or Dean presidency - Kerry even (ummm...maybe Kerry). To have another Bush-type corporate-bought fossil foisted upon us by the few, would be very sad indeed.

lafin gas @ 29:

tyree @ 1:

unless its kucinich or edwards i will not!

I'm sorry old friend but I think again we may have to bit the bullet and hold our noses and vote for the lesser of two evils. I too would like to see Kucinich or Edwards win but I will vote for any Dem now running over any PUG running!

no offence laughin gas but im not setteling for any more garbage to vote for , this is my last election if i make it that long, im not buying corporate run politicians like hillary or obama , if the american people cant see these two are just more of the same then they can suffer under them ! edwards or kucinich are the only two that offer any chance to return to what little democracy we owned !!!!!!!!

SM @ 32:

Nicole Belle @ 28:

Dan @ 22:

It's great John Edwards is getting airtime. But he doesn't lack attention on C&L.

How about some coverage of whether the Clintons really are sliming up the race or, as President Clinton claimed tonight, that he's a victim of the Media's malicious drive to question his tactics and his accuracy? I'm getting to the point I'm actually considering staying home in November if the best choice is Hillary. I'm willing to be talked out of it if I'm unreasonably discouraged, but it's a fairly serious question.

Best wishes to John Edwards in the meantime, I suppose.

Here's the thing, Dan. We never make everyone happy. When we were focusing on campaign tactics, we got people complaining that we were ignoring Edwards just like the MSM. Now we give Edwards the airtime we pushed for and you're complaining that we need to cover tactics.

We don't pretend to be the end all and be all of blogs. We're going to miss some stories. I do think that we're doing pretty well bring a mix of substantive and more lighthearted posts. Since we really gave the MSM a drubbing for ignoring Edwards, I think it behooves us to make sure that when he gets on the air that we show it.

Nicole, I have noticed that your coverage has evened out more, thank you! You can still remain hot on the controversy, but the balance is appreciated!

Actually, I'll take all the Edwards I can get, thankyouverymuch. MSM isn't covering him to any real degree, so when he shows up on C&L or pretty much anywhere else, I'm there. It's kind of like watching the West Wing on DVD now...it's not real, but I can dream.

Keep covering Edwards, please!

Enough of this Clinton bashing. Why don't you all leave that to the republicans in as much as that what they do best.

I have never witnessed such a double standard in my life.
If Hillary cries she's too soft, when she fights back she is a shrew, when she sends her spouce out to campaign on her behalf she is riding his coat tails. The woman can't win in the eyes of the media or her critics. Every candidate uses their spouce to whatever advantage that he or she might bring to the campaign. Obama and Edwards are no exception.
Hillary is married to a former president and that for some reason precludes him from helping out in whatever way he and she see fit? Sorry folks get over it.

She was not and is not my choice for the nomination, but
the way she fights and works for the nomination has certainly earned my respect. No candidate has had to put up with such scrutiny and blatently biased media attacks as she has. When Obama or Edwards begin to recieve the same type of unrelenting critisism I want to see them handle it with the same composure and the same nerve.

The republicans all say that they can't wait to run against Hillary, what they don't say is that the type of attacks that worked so well against John Kerry won't work so well against Hillary Clinton.

As for Obama's claim that his supporters might not back
another nominee if that person is Hillary Clinton, that smacks of a little boy taking his ball and going home, which might lead one to suspect that he may not be ready for prime time.

tyree @ 39:

lafin gas @ 29:

tyree @ 1:

unless its kucinich or edwards i will not!

I'm sorry old friend but I think again we may have to bit the bullet and hold our noses and vote for the lesser of two evils. I too would like to see Kucinich or Edwards win but I will vote for any Dem now running over any PUG running!

no offence laughin gas but im not setteling for any more garbage to vote for , this is my last election if i make it that long, im not buying corporate run politicians like hillary or obama , if the american people cant see these two are just more of the same then they can suffer under them ! edwards or kucinich are the only two that offer any chance to return to what little democracy we owned !!!!!!!!

I think there are a lot of DEMs in your camp. While I do not share my support for both of your candidates, I will never vote for Hillary. I am simply to old and tired to sell out. I would however, defect for Bloomberg if Hillary is the nominee. He has many progressive tolerable views that I could support. If it's Hillary and no Bloomberg, I guess I will sit this one out with a few million other DEMs.

Thanks Senator Edwards for being the only Adult in the race, however, stupid Democrats keeping putting forth Hillary and Obama as the top 2 candidates when you are clearly the best. Well, unfortunately, I cannot follow you on this one, Senator Edwards. If Hillary or Obama receive the nomination, I stay home and not vote for either one.Until then, I am 100% behind you.

P.S.I can tell Olberamn wants John Edwards to be the Democratic nominee. He gives Edwards the most air time and praises Senator Edwards during his show.

I've been supporting Edwards from the get-go. But it's difficult to see the best person get ignored. Most of all I'm disgusted to see Obama and his supporters as a bunch of whiners who give lip service to unity (like Bush -- I'm a uniter), while doing everything in their power to divide the party.

I was uninspired by the Kerry/Edwards Presidential ticket in 2004. I just couldn't connect with Kerry, and was so disappointed with him that it tarnished my perception of Edwards. I gave him no consideration as a potential Presidential candidate. This led to me pretty much dismissing Edwards in the early debates this political cycle. His message was coming across to me as a good bit of pandering and Politics.

I started warming up to him a bit, though, and then the Iowa caucus happened. The speech that John Edwards gave after the Iowa caucus was fiery, optimistic, and honest. He really blew away the (incorrect) preconceived notions that I had about him. I started looking at Edwards in a different light, and I've now got a lot more faith in him and his convictions. Of the declared candidates, Edwards could well be the best possible choice.

I wonder if Al Gore would come back for a couple of more terms as VP?

SM @ 52:

George @ 48:

jace @ 43:

As for Obama's claim that his supporters might not back
another nominee if that person is Hillary Clinton, that smacks of a little boy taking his ball and going home, which might lead one to suspect that he may not be ready for prime time.

"Taking is ball and going home." Isn't that exactly what Hillary is doing by choosing not to campaign in SC this week? Give me a break.

Not at all. She's smart to know that 50% of the electorate in SC will vote for Obama, she conceded SC way back.

Exactly. "I can't win, I'm going home." How disrespectful is that to the voters of SC? Is this her version of the Guiliani compaign? I thought she was "tough" and could "take anything." Apparently not.

Terry Cunningham @ 51:

I was uninspired by the Kerry/Edwards Presidential ticket in 2004. I just couldn't connect with Kerry, and was so disappointed with him that it tarnished my perception of Edwards. I gave him no consideration as a potential Presidential candidate. This led to me pretty much dismissing Edwards in the early debates this political cycle. His message was coming across to me as a good bit of pandering and Politics.

I started warming up to him a bit, though, and then the Iowa caucus happened. The speech that John Edwards gave after the Iowa caucus was fiery, optimistic, and honest. He really blew away the (incorrect) preconceived notions that I had about him. I started looking at Edwards in a different light, and I've now got a lot more faith in him and his convictions. Of the declared candidates, Edwards could well be the best possible choice.

I wonder if Al Gore would come back for a couple of more terms as VP?

GORE!!! I LOVE GORE! I would have loved it if he ran again, I mean, it would blow everybody out of the water. Gosh, I hate to say but coming back to do the same job he did for 8 years? He's not going to do it.

Obama is like the 2008 Nader in my view. All those jerks that voted for him, and I apologize if I have offended anyone, but ALL THOSE JERKS that voted for him broke the party apart. And we have had to live with this for 8 years. I don't want to live another Republican administration again - back to back - because some neo-cult freaks believe eveything that Obama says.

I'm glad to see so many are waking up. I sent this message to John and Eliza beth for the last two days and I hope many of you will jusy copy and paste the same message or send your own. johnedwards.com.

O.T. I sent this to Elizabeth earlier.

Elizabeth, again the media almost totally ignores John. In all of the debates it is like he is a halogram, he’s there then he’s not. The media is keeping him from reaching the people and delivering his message. I sent this message to John the other day and I want to make sure he gets it.

I think you need to go to the progresiive radio advertising. The regular MSM is not going to cover you and financing that kind of advertising will use up your campaign funds. As the Rueters article pointed out, they are afraid of you John. On progressive radio, Ed Schultz, Thom Hartmann and others have given you more airtime than any of the MSM. I think you will benefit much more by reaching more of the progressive voter without the negative and dismissive attitude the MSM has given you.
We love your ideas John and the corporate media does not.

SM @ 55:

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Obama is like the 2008 Nader in my view. All those jerks that voted for him, and I apologize if I have offended anyone, but ALL THOSE JERKS that voted for him broke the party apart. And we have had to live with this for 8 years. I don't want to live another Republican administration again - back to back - because some neo-cult freaks believe eveything that Obama says.

Really makes you wonder why anyone would want to leave such an inclusive, positivist party.

SM @ 56:

George @ 53:

SM @ 52:

George @ 48:

Not at all. She's smart to know that 50% of the electorate in SC will vote for Obama, she conceded SC way back.

Exactly. "I can't win, I'm going home." How disrespectful is that to the voters of SC? Is this her version of the Guiliani compaign? I thought she was "tough" and could "take anything." Apparently not.

No, I don't see that way. It's working much better in her favor to be away from SC after the debate. Apart from the 50%, she's giving Obama the floor, letting him spin out defensively which is imploding his campaign. The HOPE & UNITY pedastal is crumbling fast. I think it's a very good move for her.

Don't you wish. Fortunately, you're not the Decider, the voters are. And what do you propose to replace hope and unity with---your cynicism and doubt? Haven't we had enough of that the last eight years? Or do you confuse "Realism" with cynicism? If so---it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

I must agree the KO's given Kucinich and Edwards the booty end of the stick.
And I see tyree's point, but I'll have to support whoever the dem nominee is. Who wants President Romn-? blaarrgghhhhg..i just threw up.

xargaw @ 45:

tyree @ 39:

lafin gas @ 29:

tyree @ 1:
I'm sorry old friend but I think again we may have to bit the bullet and hold our noses and vote for the lesser of two evils. I too would like to see Kucinich or Edwards win but I will vote for any Dem now running over any PUG running!

no offence laughin gas but im not setteling for any more garbage to vote for , this is my last election if i make it that long, im not buying corporate run politicians like hillary or obama , if the american people cant see these two are just more of the same then they can suffer under them ! edwards or kucinich are the only two that offer any chance to return to what little democracy we owned !!!!!!!!

I think there are a lot of DEMs in your camp. While I do not share my support for both of your candidates, I will never vote for Hillary. I am simply to old and tired to sell out. I would however, defect for Bloomberg if Hillary is the nominee. He has many progressive tolerable views that I could support. If it's Hillary and no Bloomberg, I guess I will sit this one out with a few million other DEMs.

I hope you appreciate that you've played directly into the hands of the Democrats' political opponents. But what truly makes me cross is that I'm sure you'll both bitch and moan about the state of the US even after ignoring your patriotic duty and making your voice heard.

29 laughinggas, did you say that this is your last erection? So sad.

Shawnmeat @ 65:

xargaw @ 45:

tyree @ 39:

lafin gas @ 29:
no offence laughin gas but im not setteling for any more garbage to vote for , this is my last election if i make it that long, im not buying corporate run politicians like hillary or obama , if the american people cant see these two are just more of the same then they can suffer under them ! edwards or kucinich are the only two that offer any chance to return to what little democracy we owned !!!!!!!!

I think there are a lot of DEMs in your camp. While I do not share my support for both of your candidates, I will never vote for Hillary. I am simply to old and tired to sell out. I would however, defect for Bloomberg if Hillary is the nominee. He has many progressive tolerable views that I could support. If it's Hillary and no Bloomberg, I guess I will sit this one out with a few million other DEMs.

I hope you appreciate that you've played directly into the hands of the Democrats' political opponents. But what truly makes me cross is that I'm sure you'll both bitch and moan about the state of the US even after ignoring your patriotic duty and making your voice heard.

no not really i wont have to bitch or moan because im not going to be the guy who voted for two loosers like clinton or obama , neither ones going to be president , and even if they were both take take lobbiest money both give the nod to attacking iran, bothe are owned by the corporations who feed them wheres the difference in them and a republican? have you heard them say they will give you back everything bush stoled from us ? have you? i havent heard a peep from them on habias corpus , both said troops stay in iraq to guard thoes bases and the embasy ,is that going to end bushes war ? is it? you vote for shrillay or obama and youll be the one bitching if they win and show thier true colors!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think most of us will hold our nose and do the right thing and try against the odds, but there are many who will stay at home, especially if they feel this election is driven by the national media and these voting machines that consistently lie, cheat and steal from the people.

Notice the media is suddenly giving Edwards more air time? Enough people have been making noise about it and after every debate the focus groups continue to rate him as the winner. After the last debate he became impossible for them to ignore.

It is having an effect and in SC he jumped up 3 points in the polls and is closing on Hillary. It is unlikely that he can catch Obama, but a second place win ain't bad because in the race for delegates he isn't that far behind and there are a lot of states to go.

He is consistently trending up in the national polls and if you'll pardon the football metaphore, Edwards keeps moving the ball up the field and getting the first downs in small but real increments. His chances are slim... but he is still very much in the game!

I'll continue to support him and send cash and fight for him as long as he is willing to fight. His voice is too important to let be silenced by media neglect and disdain.

I just filled in the spot on my absentee ballot for JOHN EDWARDS!

Let the other two fight John Edwards and you might be the winner yet.

You looked real good the other night!

I totally agree with you Dan. I just can't do the "I'll support whoever the democratic candidate is anymore". I have done that over, and over, and over, in the past, and then I feel used, like the Democrats stuck a knife in my gut. I supported the Dems in 06. I made phone bank calls for them. I went door to door for Democratic congressional candidates And now, look at Pelosi and Reid. I am embarassed by them. I can't support another candidate like that anymore. I just can't do it.

Rasputin wrote:

It is unlikely that he can catch Obama, but a second place win ain’t bad because in the race for delegates he isn’t that far behind and there are a lot of states to go.

I agree with your comment overall, but if Edwards doesn't win in S.C., the MSM, pundits and Republicans will not let it be forgotten that he failed to win his home state. They're still quick to mention that about Gore, from 2000.

Concerning the race for delegates, it's amazing how little the MSM report on that dynamic of the race.

Ron @ 82:

S.W. Anderson @ 81:

Rasputin wrote:

It is unlikely that he can catch Obama, but a second place win ain’t bad because in the race for delegates he isn’t that far behind and there are a lot of states to go.

I agree with your comment overall, but if Edwards doesn't win in S.C., the MSM, pundits and Republicans will not let it be forgotten that he failed to win his home state. They're still quick to mention that about Gore, from 2000.

Concerning the race for delegates, it's amazing how little the MSM report on that dynamic of the race.

The MSM doesn't want Edwards to be the nominee. Fact!

I agree and no one else in the media does either!

S.W. Anderson @ 81:

I agree with your comment overall, but if Edwards doesn't win in S.C., the MSM, pundits and Republicans will not let it be forgotten that he failed to win his home state. They're still quick to mention that about Gore, from 2000.

Actually, Gore won Tennessee in the primary, which is what's about to happen. You'll have to wait until, um, I think it's November for the thing where Gore lost Tennessee.

The strongest ticket to beat ANY Republic this fall would be Edwards/Richardson,
but the media never gave John a break...

The worse ticket, especially against McCain is Hillary/Fill in the blank.....

Oh, and to all the Hillary supporrters, as usual in the campaign, Obama, who probably
can see his loss coming, is telling the truth.

Many of his supporters WILL NOT rally back to Clinton, after the dual team she
and Bill did on him.

I think, Obama will campaign for her, just about as hard as She and Bill did for
Kerry, which was mail it in......

They could have won fair, and saved that black vote. But, as soon as she got behind,
OR thought she did, and they lost the inevitability cloak, they went back to southern
Carville/Lee Atwater politics....

It will win her the Nomination, but I really think this has cost her a lot in the fall....

That's great Edwards... that makes one of us. I'll never vote for Hillary.

IF YOU LIVE IN SOUTH CAROLINA OR ANYWHERE THAT HASNT VOTED YET PLEASE GET OUT AND VOTE FOR THIS MAN, WE CANT AFFORD NOT TO.

THE TIME COULDNT GET ANY MORE URGENT THAN RIGHT NOW. WE CANT AFFORD TO MAKE ANY MISTAKES RIGHT NOW WITH WHO WE ELECT. OUR COUNTRY IS HEADED FOR A DISASTER AND MR. EDWARDS IS THE BEST CHOICE TO LEAD. IF HE ISNT ELECTED RIGHT NOW WE WILL NOT BE BE ABLE TO VOTE FOR HIM IN NOVEMBER.

HE IS OUR BEST CANDIDATE AND WILL FIGHT FOR US TILL THE END.
I KNOW THAT HILLARY HAS BILL AND OBAMA IS COOL BUT THERE IS A LOT MORE AT PLAY HERE THAN ANY OF THAT.

PLEASE, DO THE RIGHT THING.

Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Joe Leiberman... Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton. These are all "Democrats" I will never vote for. I just gave some of my limited income to Edwards, just as I did for Dodd a few weeks back.

Those who are thinking of voting for an independent Bloomberg - all I can say is you are completely out of your damn mind! He's not as bad a Giuliani but he's in the same vein. He is a Republican without the bigotry. The only real positive for him is he's staunchly pro-life. If you'll vote for him, you might as well vote for Hillary or Barack. Hell, vote for Giuliani.

To me (and admittedly, I'm already a fan of John Edwards and his politics), I thought Edwards was terrific tonight on Olbermann (it was was Keith who was not). He was cool, calm, and collected -- and he said the most important thing -- he would support the eventual Democratic nominee. Remember, John Paul Stevens is 87 years old and the Supreme Court is at stake in this election. Any Democrat (even Hillary) is preferable to any Republican. If she's the nominee, I will hold my nose and vote for her.

That said, I still admire John Edwards and his political stance the most of any of the potential nominees. He's standing up for the poor and the working-class and the middle-class Americans - for health care and jobs and bringing our troops home from Iraq. He may not be leading in the polls, but his issues are driving this race -- notice how much Hillary and Obama are stealing his message now?

Just sent another 100 bucks to Edwards so that he can keep up the good fight. He's definitely the best person, man or woman, black or white, in this race.

S.W. Anderson @ 60:

If you say it's Edwards or nobody, Edwards or Kucinich or forget it, you're doing the Republicans' work for them.

Step back and look at the larger picture. Who's your least-favorite Democratic candidate? OK, how much better would that candidate be than McCain, Romney, Huckabee, Giuliani or, God forbid, Ron Paul? That is the operative question.

Edwards is my No. 1 choice, but I said months ago that I will support whoever gets the nomination as if that person had been my No. 1 choice all along. Politics isn't just a popularity contest and usually doesn't work as a free-for-all. It's more like a discipline, which means there are times when you have to settle for next best, or the best you can get — and that you will act to prevent the worst outcome.

That's what Edwards is about, the sensible, adult thing to do. You'd best honor him by following his lead, if he doesn't become the nominee.

Many have called Hillary and Obama corporatists, Republicans, etc. I happen to agree. I felt the same way about Gore (He became a fiery liberal after the 2000 election - he had always been a moderate southern Democratic Senator).

I supported him in 2000 anyway. No way was I gonna be a whiny idiot and allow Bush to get his hands on the White House if I could stop it.

I have read comments about how disappointing the Democratic congress (with their huge one vote Senate majority) is. I agree. They have funded the war out of cowardice and haven't gotten much accomplished - but they have been investigating the hell out of the Bush administration. Gonzo is gone. Expect things to ratchet up several notches before the election. Bush is weakened - his planned attack on Iran and his subsequent declaration of himself as dictator for life has been stymied for now.

My first choice is never the nominee either. I support Edwards, but it is a certainty that our constitution and electoral system will not survive 4 to 8 more years of Rethug suppression and vote rigging. This is the most important election in our lifetime. The difference between a bad choice (HC or BO) and a worse one (anything that allows any Rethug to take office - including third parties and sitting home) is as stark as it could ever be.

It is the difference between being unhappy for a few more years - and living to fight another day or losing our democracy forever.

I will be kicked off agin for saying this, the CORP:., MAIN STRAM MEDIA has allready picked the next President and it is JOHN McCAIN, the have side lined all the Democrats. They knew just when to play the RACE card to cause a big blow up between H. Clinton AND B.Obama, they sideline J.EDWARSD for the hair cut, they side lined Criss Dodd, not having any of his speaches telivised, they sidelined the rest for things like at one time saying that the had seen a (UFO). the CORP:., MAIN STREAM MEDIA has picked the last (3) presidents. they destroyed Al. GORE, and John Kerry on his war record but defend to the DEATH John McCains war record, and then you have LIE-berman and friends backing McCAIN so John McCain will be your next PRESIDENT.

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And if that nominee says we need to stay in Iraq, Edwards would support that?

So,
Tell me again why Edward's thought his vote on the war was regrettable?
And please explain why Edwards talks tough on leaving Iraq? Does he really mean it?

Yes folks,
LOYALTY OATHS aren't just for White House staff and House Leaders.

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The Rezko story is breaking and it's wholly damaging. Obama is finished not just as a candidate for President but as a politician. He should resign his Senate as soon as possible and spare the Party any embarrassment.

And this gem from The Chicago Tribune:

The day after New Year's 1996, operatives for Barack Obama filed into a barren hearing room of the Chicago Board of Election Commissioners.

There they began the tedious process of challenging hundreds of signatures on the nominating petitions of state Sen. Alice Palmer, the longtime progressive activist from the city's South Side. And they kept challenging petitions until every one of Obama's four Democratic primary rivals was forced off the ballot.

Fresh from his work as a civil rights lawyer and head of a voter registration project that expanded access to the ballot box, Obama launched his first campaign for the Illinois Senate saying he wanted to empower disenfranchised citizens.

But in that initial bid for political office, Obama quickly mastered the bare-knuckle arts of Chicago electoral politics. His overwhelming legal onslaught signaled his impatience to gain office, even if that meant elbowing aside an elder stateswoman like Palmer.

A close examination of Obama's first campaign clouds the image he has cultivated throughout his political career: The man now running for president on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless first entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it.

As much as I hate to say it, Edwards is fighting racism and sexism. There are no good reasons to vote for Obama or Clinton over Edwards, unless of course you think that a persons race or gender should be decisive factors. I myself am "biracial", but I do not see things that way - the human race has no true separate races as far as actual biological anthropology goes. Edwards comes from a working people's background, he has lived out the american dream. Edwards has not fallen for the current greenwashing of the nuclear industry, unlike Obama. Edwards has been true to his disconnect from the lobby - ocracy, unlike Obama. Edwards has acknowledged that this war was a mistake from the beginning, unlike Clinton.

It is time for us to be patriotic about something other than war.

The rest of the candidates should follow MLK Jr's. advice and follow EDWARDS' lead.

And the voters should get off their ass and vote for the one candidate in the race who is both speaking FOR THEM, and could beat the Republicans in the general election.

Just give Edwards' the ball and let the boy run with it, and we'll win.

It would seem Edwards really is representing the "Adult Wing" of the Democratic Party.

I will vote for whatever Dem canidate gets nominated, the future is too freakin' important. Supreme Court nominations, cleaning up Iraq, cleaning out the AG's office, getting Corporations to pay their fair share, Health Care.... Hillary and Obama will at least listen to the demands of the base, a republican would dismiss us entirely.

Obama keeps sticking his foot in it. I'm choosing to see it that way. I would hate to believe he is a petulant, Regan lovin' consevative. Hillary is faaaar from perfect, and not my first choice, but Obama has lost second place for me with this little nugget. I don't give a damn if its true, a LEADER leads, he doesn't follow what is "common knowledge". Jackass.

Edwards is the best hope for a true Democrat in the office. He sees the warped version of Democracy we've become and wants to fight for the American people, not corporations. I admire the man for standing up and saying "This is WRONG!", and for leading the policy debate. Hell, FORCING the policy debate. If he weren't in the race this cycle, we would be listening to a fight between Obama and Hillary about who could work with Republicans better. Gah!

Here is a sort of Horse race question I would like to ask of the 3 remaining candidates. Stop whining about Kucinich. He will never be president and never was gonna be the president of this country. That is a Postulate not requiring much proof in this context. The combinations of the three likely candidates will be this: Obama P. Clinton VP. / Obama P. Edwards VP. / Clinton P. Obama VP. / Clinton P Edwards VP. / Edwards P Obama VP. Edwards P Clinton VP. Yes I realize it is not required for the winner of the primary to pick from their respective rivals, but in this instance it might be interesting to know who can work with whom. Personally, I think the best of these for the country is Obama P. Clinton VP. It removes Hillary's bitch factor by putting her in the Cheney roll. And Obama is the only one who can lift up the nation and require of it's citizens what Kennedy required of them 48 years ago; to ask not what your country can do for you ask what you can do for your country. I think he is the only one who can ask of them that.

Instead of asking about FISA and telecom immunity, KO wasted valuable time asking about Bill O. I think Keith's obsession with Bill is beginning to cloud his judgement. Would somebody tell Keith that nobody else gives a fuck about what Bill O says?

facta non verba @ 103:

The Rezko story is breaking and it's wholly damaging. Obama is finished not just as a candidate for President but as a politician. He should resign his Senate as soon as possible and spare the Party any embarrassment.

And this gem from The Chicago Tribune:

The day after New Year's 1996, operatives for Barack Obama filed into a barren hearing room of the Chicago Board of Election Commissioners.

There they began the tedious process of challenging hundreds of signatures on the nominating petitions of state Sen. Alice Palmer, the longtime progressive activist from the city's South Side. And they kept challenging petitions until every one of Obama's four Democratic primary rivals was forced off the ballot.

Fresh from his work as a civil rights lawyer and head of a voter registration project that expanded access to the ballot box, Obama launched his first campaign for the Illinois Senate saying he wanted to empower disenfranchised citizens.

But in that initial bid for political office, Obama quickly mastered the bare-knuckle arts of Chicago electoral politics. His overwhelming legal onslaught signaled his impatience to gain office, even if that meant elbowing aside an elder stateswoman like Palmer.

A close examination of Obama's first campaign clouds the image he has cultivated throughout his political career: The man now running for president on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless first entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it.

Uh-oh. Better to come out now than after the nod. Sheesh.

JTM @ 72:

SM @ 13:

I'd love to see either an Edwards/Clinton or a Clinton/Edwards ballot. With a few exceptions, they have similar plans and goals....

You need to stop typing and start reading. "With few exceptions"??? GMFB.

Yes and can we stop with the ticket building garbage...."Id love to see" Edwards/RFK or RFK/Edwards but it Na, Guh, Ha.

Quote of the day:

Pollster John Zogby: “The Democratic race in South Carolina is reminding me now of the beginning of the old Buffalo Springfield song: “There’s something happening here/What it is ain’t exactly clear.”

Excerpt:

Democrats – South Carolina
Edwards makes gains amid shifting voter preferences

Utica, NY – Illinois Sen. Barack Obama’s lead over New York Sen. Hillary Clinton has shrunk by four points overall and by nine points among black voters, during the last 24 hours of polling, but he retains a sizable edge, the latest Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby survey shows.

The telephone tracking poll taken Jan. 21-23 shows Obama with 39% support from likely Democratic voters, compared to Clinton’s 24% support. The three-day daily tracking survey included 811 likely Democratic primary voters across South Carolina and carries a margin of error of +/-3.4 percentage points. In yesterday's tracking poll, Obama had 43% support to Clinton’s 25%.

Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards still trails, but has gained four points and now has support from 19% of likely voters.

Obama still has a healthy lead among African American voters, but lost almost nine points since yesterday, dropping from 65% to 56% support among that group. Edwards, who registered no support from black voters the day before, picked up five points and Clinton added about two points to reach 18% of black support. Nearly one in five - 19% - of black voters said they were not sure for whom they would vote, which was up a point from the day before. Edwards makes gains amid shifting voter preferences

Utica, NY – Illinois Sen. Barack Obama’s lead over New York Sen. Hillary Clinton has shrunk by four points overall and by nine points among black voters, during the last 24 hours of polling, but he retains a sizable edge, the latest Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby survey shows.

The telephone tracking poll taken Jan. 21-23 shows Obama with 39% support from likely Democratic voters, compared to Clinton’s 24% support. The three-day daily tracking survey included 811 likely Democratic primary voters across South Carolina and carries a margin of error of +/-3.4 percentage points. In yesterday's tracking poll, Obama had 43% support to Clinton’s 25%.

Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards still trails, but has gained four points and now has support from 19% of likely voters.

Obama still has a healthy lead among African American voters, but lost almost nine points since yesterday, dropping from 65% to 56% support among that group. Edwards, who registered no support from black voters the day before, picked up five points and Clinton added about two points to reach 18% of black support. Nearly one in five - 19% - of black voters said they were not sure for whom they would vote, which was up a point from the day before.

..............1/21-23........1/20-22

Obama........39%............43%

Clinton........24%............25%

Edwards......19%............15%

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1433

The pollsters are very nervous about this one because likely voters are reporting that they haven't firmly made a commitment.

while it is unlikely that Edwards will win SC there is definitely a possible second place and more delegates. The difference between all of the candidates on delegates is not that large and Edwards is suddenly getting more press coverage and trends up stronger nationally with each debate... and lots more states to go!

Rasputin @ 119:

Quote of the day:

Pollster John Zogby: “The Democratic race in South Carolina is reminding me now of the beginning of the old Buffalo Springfield song: “There’s something happening here/What it is ain’t exactly clear.”

Excerpt:

Democrats – South Carolina
Edwards makes gains amid shifting voter preferences

Utica, NY – Illinois Sen. Barack Obama’s lead over New York Sen. Hillary Clinton has shrunk by four points overall and by nine points among black voters, during the last 24 hours of polling, but he retains a sizable edge, the latest Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby survey shows.

The telephone tracking poll taken Jan. 21-23 shows Obama with 39% support from likely Democratic voters, compared to Clinton’s 24% support. The three-day daily tracking survey included 811 likely Democratic primary voters across South Carolina and carries a margin of error of +/-3.4 percentage points. In yesterday's tracking poll, Obama had 43% support to Clinton’s 25%.

Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards still trails, but has gained four points and now has support from 19% of likely voters.

Obama still has a healthy lead among African American voters, but lost almost nine points since yesterday, dropping from 65% to 56% support among that group. Edwards, who registered no support from black voters the day before, picked up five points and Clinton added about two points to reach 18% of black support. Nearly one in five - 19% - of black voters said they were not sure for whom they would vote, which was up a point from the day before. Edwards makes gains amid shifting voter preferences

Utica, NY – Illinois Sen. Barack Obama’s lead over New York Sen. Hillary Clinton has shrunk by four points overall and by nine points among black voters, during the last 24 hours of polling, but he retains a sizable edge, the latest Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby survey shows.

The telephone tracking poll taken Jan. 21-23 shows Obama with 39% support from likely Democratic voters, compared to Clinton’s 24% support. The three-day daily tracking survey included 811 likely Democratic primary voters across South Carolina and carries a margin of error of +/-3.4 percentage points. In yesterday's tracking poll, Obama had 43% support to Clinton’s 25%.

Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards still trails, but has gained four points and now has support from 19% of likely voters.

Obama still has a healthy lead among African American voters, but lost almost nine points since yesterday, dropping from 65% to 56% support among that group. Edwards, who registered no support from black voters the day before, picked up five points and Clinton added about two points to reach 18% of black support. Nearly one in five - 19% - of black voters said they were not sure for whom they would vote, which was up a point from the day before.

..............1/21-23........1/20-22

Obama........39%............43%

Clinton........24%............25%

Edwards......19%............15%

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1433

The pollsters are very nervous about this one because likely voters are reporting that they haven't firmly made a commitment.

while it is unlikely that Edwards will win SC there is definitely a possible second place and more delegates. The difference between all of the candidates on delegates is not that large and Edwards is suddenly getting more press coverage and trends up stronger nationally with each debate... and lots more states to go!

Great news! I just hope that Edwards has the resources to stay in the race. It's early days yet, and I believe that the better Edwards does (even if that means second place finishes) then the mainstream media will be forced to define the Democratic primary as a three-person race–instead of acting as if Edwards isn't even running generally–which means that he will go from strength to strength because I believe that the more people that are exposed to his populist message, and compare him on the issues to Obama and Hillary, the more people are likely to vote for Edwards

jonathan @ 120:

I wish Edwards wife did not have cancer. Ask any oncologist worth their degree what the next 10 years or her life will be and not one will of you would wish it on anyone. Edwards has a great mind, a heart that i believe in and, when I have heard him speak live, it is hard not to think of him as Presidential material. And yet, he can not be an effective president and do everything he needs to do for his wife and his kids in the next decade. Maybe he could be VP. It sucks but I am pretty sure that's the truth. Now. let's dump bullshit poles that predict what is gonna happen. This will happen. The american people state by state will decide who they want to be president. and then, god willing, they will pick that candidate based on what they believe - and Not what the poles say they are gonna do - in the privacy of the voting booth they will vote. I am guessing they will do so in record numbers. . There are no fait accompli's in democracy.

Oh Bullshit! FDR was an extremely effective President and he was struggling with Polio.

The fact that Edwards wife has terminal cancer is actually a plus, because when the fight for Universal Health Care coverage gets mean and nasty as it will, Edwards will be looking into his wife's eyes every morning with a profound sense of compassion for those who suffer with medical conditions.

FDR's wife Eleanor was asked once if she though the battle with polio had effects FDR. She smiled at the reporter and "Oh yes... very much so." Compassion is not a "check list" item... it comes from empathizing with others you care about and it gives you a conviction about others that can't be bought, borrowed, or obtained any other way.

As to the rest of you comment... the only thing that you've said correctly is, "There are no fait accompli’s in democracy."

Rasputin @ 123:

jonathan @ 120:

I wish Edwards wife did not have cancer. Ask any oncologist worth their degree what the next 10 years or her life will be and not one will of you would wish it on anyone. Edwards has a great mind, a heart that i believe in and, when I have heard him speak live, it is hard not to think of him as Presidential material. And yet, he can not be an effective president and do everything he needs to do for his wife and his kids in the next decade. Maybe he could be VP. It sucks but I am pretty sure that's the truth. Now. let's dump bullshit poles that predict what is gonna happen. This will happen. The american people state by state will decide who they want to be president. and then, god willing, they will pick that candidate based on what they believe - and Not what the poles say they are gonna do - in the privacy of the voting booth they will vote. I am guessing they will do so in record numbers. . There are no fait accompli's in democracy.

Oh Bullshit! FDR was an extremely effective President and he was struggling with Polio.

The fact that Edwards wife has terminal cancer is actually a plus, because when the fight for Universal Health Care coverage gets mean and nasty as it will, Edwards will be looking into his wife's eyes every morning with a profound sense of compassion for those who suffer with medical conditions.

FDR's wife Eleanor was asked once if she though the battle with polio had effects FDR. She smiled at the reporter and "Oh yes... very much so." Compassion is not a "check list" item... it comes from empathizing with others you care about and it gives you a conviction about others that can't be bought, borrowed, or obtained any other way.

As to the rest of you comment... the only thing that you've said correctly is, "There are no fait accompli’s in democracy."

Rasputin, you are 200% right. It is the nastiest bullshit possible.

I wish idiot whiners making comments as jonathan did experience similar challenge in their own life to finally get it and STFU.

Both Elizabeth and John are a shining example how to address life's grave challenges successfully.

With them (and, thanks to her cancer and them having lost their young son) we have very clear proof how the unlimited challenges of Presidency would be met: taking charge, and winning ! There would be no need for fake preaching, boozing up -w/pretzels or without, starting wars - to prove one's manhood, or keeping Monica under the desk to be able to handle the daily taska and whatever crisis is thrown at the President.

Elizabeth Edwards told John Edwards to continue in the race. She placed the needs of the country first and believes that her husband is the best candidate. No one ever survives life. However, we have a country that sees new children born everyday. Why not think of them when you pull the lever? Barack Obama has no answers only sweet words strung together in empty sentences pledging hope and unity but detailing no real hard plans. Words sound great but they sure don't move any mountains or feed any people. Vote Edwards. Give the youth of America a fighting chance!

My mom is a registered nurse at sloan(sp?) She has been predicting my friends demises for years now. It is one of the things that really creeps me out about her.

Any Liberal or Democrat who doesn't support the Democratic nominee is an idiot.
I don't want 8 more years of a Bush-like administration.
Don't make the mistake of not voting for Hillary of Obama on some principle.
Let's get them into office first and then fight for principles.
We might get it with the Democrats; we will never get it with the Republicans.

Re: Ask your mom to get you professional help - you sound very depressed. Why should a young voter be so creeped out abt ‘life-things’ ? SMKC has a long tradition of successful cancer treatment, despite being more of a ‘meat factory’ than other medical centers. Diagnosing via crystal ball is Frist’s specialty.
BTW: Obamas. and, Clintons might face cancer any day, as all of us. How would they handle it ? Balling in the coat room? bringing back Monica ?

Get involved w/ positive activities - there ARE many RAINBOWS in NYC, Manhattan and around !! And, think who is the BEST to be nominated, not who creeps you out.
ISSUES !!!

Please define young, Please define depressed, Please explain how an oncology nurse would know a good shrink if I am in need of professioinal help as you have strangely surmised from an earlier comment. and if your mom could predict a loved ones time of death accurately from 3 years out wouldn't it creep you out? Jesus this is getting alot more morbid than i had hoped. I wish the edwards well in all of their persuits. and I don't think your, and excuse my pejorative, dumb-ass comments about the clintons fucking their way out of a cancer scare are any less evidential of mental illness than my earlier comments. I know I started this and I will stay quiet after this one. can you make a quietly reasoned response to this and then just call it a day? I got nothing else to say on this issue and I hope to god you don't either.

And on an entirely separate topic, Cornel West who is in my opinion one of the most radical and inspiring intellectuals alive has come out for Obama. And even though he wrote the book on it, Race did not matter in his decision. If you think Obama is a bunch of pretty words and nothing else, which I think is hillary's line for all great black speakers, look at the people around him; who he listens to and who, with considerable reservation, still support him. I am not working for him now but, I most certainly will. And I hate licking envelopes.

jonathan @ 135:

And on an entirely separate topic, Cornel West who is in my opinion one of the most radical and inspiring intellectuals alive has come out for Obama. And even though he wrote the book on it, Race did not matter in his decision. If you think Obama is a bunch of pretty words and nothing else, which I think is hillary's line for all great black speakers, look at the people around him; who he listens to and who, with considerable reservation, still support him. I am not working for him now but, I most certainly will. And I hate licking envelopes.

If it is endorsements you wish to discuss How about Martin Luther King III?

Edwards work on poverty began before he ever entered politics. He worked with Urban Ministries who help the poorest of the poor and later helped found and chairs the Center on Poverty, Work and Opportunity at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill for studying ways to move people out of poverty.

No One ever said that Obama didn't have good ideas, but on virtually every issue in this campaign Edwards has led in defining them, giving detailed plans about what he will do, how he will do it, how he will pay for it and most importantly... unlike most politicains Edwards has put them in writing!

January 20, 2008

The Honorable John E. Edwards
410 Market Street
Suite 400
Chapel Hill, NC 27516

Dear Senator Edwards:

It was good meeting with you yesterday and discussing my father’s legacy. On the day when the nation will honor my father, I wanted to follow up with a personal note.

There has been, and will continue to be, a lot of back and forth in the political arena over my father’s legacy. It is a commentary on the breadth and depth of his impact that so many people want to claim his legacy. I am concerned that we do not blur the lines and obscure the truth about what he stood for: speaking up for justice for those who have no voice.

I appreciate that on the major issues of health care, the environment, and the economy, you have framed the issues for what they are - a struggle for justice. And, you have almost single-handedly made poverty an issue in this election.

You know as well as anyone that the 37 million people living in poverty have no voice in our system. They don’t have lobbyists in Washington and they don’t get to go to lunch with members of Congress. Speaking up for them is not politically convenient. But, it is the right thing to do.

I am disturbed by how little attention the topic of economic justice has received during this campaign. I want to challenge all candidates to follow your lead, and speak up loudly and forcefully on the issue of economic justice in America.

From our conversation yesterday, I know this is personal for you. I know you know what it means to come from nothing. I know you know what it means to get the opportunities you need to build a better life. And, I know you know that injustice is alive and well in America, because millions of people will never get the same opportunities you had.

I believe that now, more than ever, we need a leader who wakes up every morning with the knowledge of that injustice in the forefront of their minds, and who knows that when we commit ourselves to a cause as a nation, we can make major strides in our own lifetimes. My father was not driven by an illusory vision of a perfect society. He was driven by the certain knowledge that when people of good faith and strong principles commit to making things better, we can change hearts, we can change minds, and we can change lives.

So, I urge you: keep going. Ignore the pundits, who think this is a horserace, not a fight for justice. My dad was a fighter. As a friend and a believer in my father’s words that injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere, I say to you: keep going. Keep fighting. My father would be proud.

Sincerely,

Martin L. King, III

http://www.johnedwards.com/news/20080121-mlk-iii-letter.pdf

Sorry site monitor... got a bit carried away.

JTM @ 85:

S.W. Anderson @ 81:

I agree with your comment overall, but if Edwards doesn't win in S.C., the MSM, pundits and Republicans will not let it be forgotten that he failed to win his home state. They're still quick to mention that about Gore, from 2000.

Actually, Gore won Tennessee in the primary, which is what's about to happen. You'll have to wait until, um, I think it's November for the thing where Gore lost Tennessee.

To clarify the point that should be obvious from what I wrote, JTM, the media make big of it when a presidential candidate loses a race in his/her home state. What picking that does for the conversation remains unclear.

martskers @ 140:

When will you fawning Olbermann sycophants see the light on him? He's not a part of the solution to the corporate media's stranglehold on what we get to see; he's a part of the problem. Don't let his "special comments" fool you---he's got peacock blood coursing through his veins.

He sits, starstruck, next to Tweety during their joint analysis appearances, and only reluctantly disagrees with some of the outrageous statements that bag of spit emits; he's never once said anything about Tweety's biases, prejudices and hit jobs (mostly on Hillary); he wouldn't take on his corporate paymasters over the Kucinich exclusion episode, and he continues to allow that obsequious White House toady, Richard Wolffe, spew his "oh please, Mr. Bush, let me continue to have access" BS.

If, as reported, Keith is de facto running MSNBC, he's doing a piss poor job of it. I, for one, have turned MSNBC off, permanently, and I encourage others to do the same (and let them know about it)

Lets see....he's the only one in MSM...that has even mentioned the Sibel Edmonds case...yeah, lets not support him....

jonathan @ 133:

Re: Ask your mom to get you professional help - you sound very depressed. Why should a young voter be so creeped out abt ‘life-things’ ? SMKC has a long tradition of successful cancer treatment, despite being more of a ‘meat factory’ than other medical centers. Diagnosing via crystal ball is Frist’s specialty.
BTW: Obamas. and, Clintons might face cancer any day, as all of us. How would they handle it ? Balling in the coat room? bringing back Monica ?

Get involved w/ positive activities - there ARE many RAINBOWS in NYC, Manhattan and around !! And, think who is the BEST to be nominated, not who creeps you out.
ISSUES !!!

Please define young, Please define depressed, Please explain how an oncology nurse would know a good shrink if I am in need of professioinal help as you have strangely surmised from an earlier comment. and if your mom could predict a loved ones time of death accurately from 3 years out wouldn't it creep you out? Jesus this is getting alot more morbid than i had hoped. I wish the edwards well in all of their persuits. and I don't think your, and excuse my pejorative, dumb-ass comments about the clintons fucking their way out of a cancer scare are any less evidential of mental illness than my earlier comments. I know I started this and I will stay quiet after this one. can you make a quietly reasoned response to this and then just call it a day? I got nothing else to say on this issue and I hope to god you don't either.

It seems you just have a lot of problems, and the pres candidate is the least of them. Plse launder your sheets at home, not on C&L. Spare us.

you are in a TOTALLY WRONG THREAD. Post it in Obama threads, this has nothing to do w/ Edwards. the more so if you are a troll

To Site Monitor: how abt deleting # 146? it does not belong here..

Dawn @ 146:

I was e-mailed this the other day.

Who is Barack Obama?

Very interesting and something that should be considered in your
choice.

If you do not ever forward anything else, please forward this to all
your contacts...this is very scary to think of what lies ahead of us
here in our own United States...better heed this and pray about it and share it.

We checked this out on "snopes.com". It is factual. Check for yourself.

Who is Barack Obama?

Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born
in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM
from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHEIST from Wichita, Kansas.

Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii. When Obama was two
years old, his parents divorced. Hi s father returned to Kenya. His
mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia.?
When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocate to Indonesia. Obama
attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a
Catholic school.

Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is
quick to point out that, "He was once a Muslim, but that he also
attended Catholic school."

Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that
that he is not a radical.

Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this
influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned
to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct
influence over his son's education.

Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham,
introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta.

Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim
terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world. Since
it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking major
public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined
the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim
background.

ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he
DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran.

Barack Hussein Obama will NOT recite the Pledge of Allegiance nor
will he show any reverence for our flag. While others place their hands
over their hearts, Obama turns his back to the flag and slouches.

Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential
candidacy.

The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the President of the United States, one of their own!!!!