Isn't it ironic that Republicans complain about not getting "up or down votes" on judges THEY want, but they block up or down votes all the time on everything else?
God! I hate these people. Every last one of these Republicans are traitors to there own country. MSM isn't even reporting on this. I have had enough of the goddam election bullshit I feel like screaming! These rich white dirtbags will not be happy until this country is dust. Let's put I this way, I will NEVER vote for another Republican, ever!
None of the amendments is worth a mound of dirt anyway. Feinstein's is a red herring. The only answer would have been to introduce the other version of FISA, but it's too late for that.
I think you nailed it, John. Stall this thing and then Monday night bush can talk about the thing expiring but the threat from the "terrorists" never expires....or some horse shit like that. Bush will put on his serious face. The one he wore when he said that Saddam was trying to buy yellow cake......from Africa.
God! I hate these people. Every last one of these Republicans are traitors to there own country. MSM isn't even reporting on this. I have had enough of the goddam election bullshit I feel like screaming! These rich white dirtbags will not be happy until this country is dust. Let's put I this way, I will NEVER vote for another Republican, ever!
I WANT TO KNOW HOW you wiretapped my brain!!! HOW DARE YOU!!!
Thu, 01/24/2008 - 16:31 — Dick (no, not that one) (not verified)
Reid is shocked, shocked! that the Repugs would use this for political gain? Where the hell has he been? The Dems, most of them anyway, are like they all have battered wife syndrome. They get whacked around, then the Repugs say they'll play nice, and then it happens again, and again, and again. When is Harry going to grow a pair and realize that the GOP cares nothing about actually governing the country? They ONLY care about politics. Jeebus H. Christ, how many times you gotta get kicked in the balls before you do something about it?
He also said that he can’t wait for the day when Republicans offer up amendments to future bills
He can't wait for the day so he can watch all the Dems roll over on their bellies and act like this whole thing never happened? Stop with the empty, wishy-washy threats and pounce. Broken record announcement: stay on the offensive.
Fuck. Reid. He's just trying to get back into the Dems good graces now that he has already committed the deed.
Exactly. He could've won on this issue without even having a fight. Instead he chose not only to have the fight, but rig it for the Republicans (or the telecoms) as well.
Reid is shocked, shocked! that the Repugs would use this for political gain? Where the hell has he been? The Dems, most of them anyway, are like they all have battered wife syndrome. They get whacked around, then the Repugs say they'll play nice, and then it happens again, and again, and again. When is Harry going to grow a pair and realize that the GOP cares nothing about actually governing the country? They ONLY care about politics. Jeebus H. Christ, how many times you gotta get kicked in the balls before you do something about it?
If you actually believe his kabuki theater is sincere, you're the one with battered wife syndrome. These sell-out corporate DINOs do this constantly. They aren't being outmaneuvered. They win by "losing".
They hope the the BS tax rebates are gonna soothe the masses.. It's to bad we as a people are so dumbed down that we can't remember the basics we were taught in high school civics. Like the Constitution and our rights and obligations to be an informed electorate, not told what to do. or swayed by smoke and mirrors... But hey Paris was here in Philly area the other day.. Who cares about our rights and freedoms
And Barach Obama wants to reach across the aisle to these Republican PIGS! To do what?Yea I say reach across the aisle, and grab them by their bloody throats till they scream. I've had enough of this BS Bipartisan crap. Democrats are useless. The only one I would consider voting for at this time is JOHN EDWARDS. I've had it with the MSM, the spineless democratic party, and the dumb sheep American people who have put up with Bush and his Republican Crooks for this long.
Reid is shocked, shocked! that the Repugs would use this for political gain? Where the hell has he been? The Dems, most of them anyway, are like they all have battered wife syndrome. They get whacked around, then the Repugs say they'll play nice, and then it happens again, and again, and again. When is Harry going to grow a pair and realize that the GOP cares nothing about actually governing the country? They ONLY care about politics. Jeebus H. Christ, how many times you gotta get kicked in the balls before you do something about it?
Leopards don't change their spots. 9 times out of 10, people are the same. They may tell themselves they'll change but just keep doing the same things, while coming up with new excuses why they have to do them. We Dems have been fooling ourselves thinking that the people we have in office would change, or even could change.
Bush will get what he wants. Pelousy and Reidiot will make damn sure of that. Remember, Bama, Clinton, Pelousy and Reidiot LOVE THE WAR, and everything Bush is trying to do.....
If you actually believe his kabuki theater is sincere, you're the one with battered wife syndrome. These sell-out corporate DINOs do this constantly. They aren't being outmaneuvered. They win by "losing".
Reid is definitely playing Kabuki theater. As are 10 to 20 Dems in the Senate, who have whined that they need to support the telecoms for the funding.
In the end, they want both to have telecom immunity, and to pretend the Repubs would not let them take away telecom immunity. And some of us are falling for this hook, line and sinker.
What till McConnell has to defend himself about the real reason how he squirmed out the Army in the summer of '67! The cat's out of the bag on this chicken-hawk, the phony excuses he gave about his eyes or having polio as a kid, don't pass the smell test! Someone I know real well, has his Selective Service Record that was received thru a FOIA!
Mitch, I hope one of your groupies is reading this and passes it on to you, cause it's going to get real hot in Kentucky in your re-election race
...How do you spell hypocrite? R-E-P-U-B-L-I-C-A-N
Actually that's how you spell a lot of interesting words:
Anti-American
Prick
Snake
Liar
Criminal
Rat
the list continues...
And don't be so naive to think that the Rs once seriously wanted rules to apply to everyone equally. They wanted straight up-or-downs when they controlled Congress. Now they filibuster everything and the court jester Reid gives them all they want. They denounce "activist" judges when it's really their activist judges they want. They're pro-life only so long as something is unborn, then all bets are off. They're only concerned about war and fiscal responsibility when they're not in control (see Kosovo, see 2 trillion spent in Iraq).
These things should be obvious to any sane person at this point. The repug party has tracked a path built 100% on hypocrisy since Harding. Any honest Republican is long since gone. Even Nixon held an amount of decency. These people in Congress we've been saddled with don't give a shit; they'll sell you up a river and enjoy doing it. The repug party has abdicated any minor throne it once held to some semblance of logic and opted for power and money above all else. They've shown themselves to be nothing but the welfare queens they despise. Make no mistake: all the money they get IS welfare. It's all the money they've siphoned off to corporations that goes full circle into their bank account for favorable legislation. The Nigerians can only envy such a racket.
the repugs would just a shoot all of in the head if would assure their success
in completely destroying the US CONSTITUTION and the USA.
i say send them all blindfolded to stand in a major freeway
and say if you can make your way safely to either side then
we will listen to what you say. otherwise, .............
So the other day I was walking down the street and Dick Cheney came up to me and said "Hey, kick and stomp on that puppy for me and then steal that child's candy." Well since it was the Vice President of the USA asking me to do itof course it had to be legal and justified right? Now I've got a dead puppy to deal with and this crying child keeps following me. Wont some upright GOP patriots come to my defense and save me from being punished from doing the right thing??? I mean I didn't do anything wrong... did I?
/snark
How idiotic is this whole mess? I swear... I think these Telecome CEOs Just prove that it doesn't take brains to run a company.
And to think… there are some in the Democratic party that want to "reach across party lines" and "be more inclusive".
These Republican morons are obstructionists who don't give a damn about the Constitution or the American people.
There is no reasoning with them or working with them. They think government is a game.
When this bill finally comes up, after all the jabs and feints and puches, and immunity is granted, they should put in there to try the telecom company that wouldn't spy on American citizens. If AT&T was only duing it's patriotic duty when asked by the Bush administration to spy, well then, Qwest should be on trial for treason. Right? Right?
Yes - I hate these people. Their connection to decency, honesty and reality has been completely severed. I'll say it one more time, no one with a conscience can call him or herself a Republican anymore. No excuses, anyone who says, 'I'm a Republican' is saying, 'I am an immoral, cheating, lying thief.'
The law? What do I care for the law? Hain't I the power?
Commodore Mc Connellbilt
Mitch Mc Fuckwit better start getting praying to his god of hubris and deceit immediatelybecause his arrogant party of neanderthals and criminals is going to get a major ass kicking in about 10 months. Piss on this scumbag and their party of the mentally retarded.
The GOP’s conduct was insulting — to the Democrats, to the American public, and to the Congress as a whole. So much so that Sen. Jay Rockefeller is saying that he will not vote for cloture on Monday.
Every Senator needs a phone call, especially the Democratic ones — because cloture on Monday would be contrary to balancing fundamental questions of liberty against national security interests. This is important business. The contemptable way that the Republicans have treated this, brushing aside debate with a high-handed, “my way or no way” dismissiveness, echoes the Bush White House and ought to be publicly rebuked
Well what did the Dems think lwould happen when they've been rolling over for so long?
Fuck. Reid. He's just trying to get back into the Dems good graces now that he has already committed the deed.
Exactly. He could've won on this issue without even having a fight. Instead he chose not only to have the fight, but rig it for the Republicans (or the telecoms) as well.
Screw him. He's the Dems' Arlen Specter.
reid is a fucking repug in dem clothing. like lieberman, he is a fucking retard.
What difference does it make what is happening. The MSM won't report it. The public thinks that the Democrats ARE INEPT. And that they don't pass any bills. That's the problem with education in our schools today. NONE OF THE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THE DEVIL is the procedure for having a bill passed in the Senate.
I WENT TO GRADE SCHOOL IN THE 1940'S and damn it, they taught us how it works and at age 75 I still remember. What is wrong with this bunch of young people today and some of the oldsters too. Until we get fairness out of the MSM we will never get the truth out to the public.
Cat Atomic:
Well, that's right also. Reid, Feinstein, Rockefeller and Pelosi all love that telcom money.
Pelosi has not taken telecom money to any degree, and has opposed immunity from the start. The House FISA RESTORE act, passed last fall, does not offer any immunity.
Reid, Feinstain, Rockefeller -- you got that right. But throwing Pelosi under the wheels over this is a lie.
Did anyone catch that revulsive spetacle on CSPAN-2 this morning, as a couple of Repub Senators trooped to the vacant Senate floor to report on some kind of "retreat" some of them had over the weekend. It was one of the most hypocritical, duplicitous calls for "bipartisanship" I've ever seen. Never was the word "filibuster" or "cloture votes" mentioned, by the way. Not surprising. What is did sound like though is that they're kind of worried over the fact that Americans seem to gradually be coming to understand just what kind of obstructionists the Repugs have been. They're REAL WORRIED about November.
None of the amendments is worth a mound of dirt anyway. Feinstein's is a red herring. The only answer would have been to introduce the other version of FISA, but it's too late for that.
S. 2248, which they are debating, has the immunity clauses struck out (Titles II and VIII). It's confusing, but if I have it right, passage of S. 2248 would produce a no-immunity bill in conference (thus the cloture move).
Reid tried to introduce the House bill, but was blocked.
I would think Nancy McConnell would want to keep a low profile. After his mysterious cave-in to Larry Craig and persistent murmurs and whispers, you'd think she oops he would want to keep his head down. oops
Reid is shocked, shocked! that the Repugs would use this for political gain? Where the hell has he been? The Dems, most of them anyway, are like they all have battered wife syndrome. They get whacked around, then the Repugs say they'll play nice, and then it happens again, and again, and again.
You've nailed it 100%. The Dems in Congress are like victims of abusers, trapped and unable to escape the cycle of abuse. They just don't get the fact that every time they "reach across the aisle" and try to do things "in a bipartisan fashion" that the Rs are going to play politics.
This is a classic problem with the Dems--we believe in good governing, not winning. Someday I hope we'll figure out that we need to win in order to govern well.
You've nailed it 100%. The Dems in Congress are like victims of abusers, trapped and unable to escape the cycle of abuse.
Sure, the collapse of the justice system is just gravy, eh? The mass-media complicity with the coup -- that's just not at issue. No media support, little public support, no legal back up -- so, wow, the R who are part of the coup can do what they please. How strange.
The idea that Reid is shocked by what is happening is otherwise known as ACTING. He knows that the gov't is not legal, and won't be, until our little problem is resolved (by whatever means).
Obama and Clinton could not be bothered to even vote on this FISA bill.
John Edwards on FISA: the only candidate left who actually LEADS.
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Read below John's FISA appeal, and how to help him.
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John Edwards on FISA (since I am in NY, the NY senators are indicated. Replace w/ yours).
From John Edwards, on January 24, 2008:
""Urgent: Stand Up for the Constitution
When it comes to protecting the rule of law, words are not enough. We need action.
It's wrong for your government to spy on you.That's why I'm asking you to join me today in calling on Senate Democrats to filibuster revisions to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) that would give "retroactive immunity" to the giant telecom companies for their role in aiding George W. Bush's illegal eavesdropping on American citizens.
The Senate is debating this issue right now -- which is why we must act right now. You can call your Senators here: (insert yours)
Hillary Rodham Clinton, (D): (202) 224-4451
Charles E. Schumer, (D): (202) 224-6542
Granting retroactive immunity is wrong. It will let corporate law-breakers off the hook. It will hamstring efforts to learn the truth about Bush's illegal spying program. And it will flip on its head a core principle that has guided our nation since our founding: the belief that no one, no matter how well connected or what office they hold, is above the law.
But in Washington today, the telecom lobbyists have launched a full-court press for retroactive immunity. George Bush and Dick Cheney are doing everything in their power to ensure it passes. And too many Senate Democrats are ready to give the lobbyists and the Bush administration exactly what they want.
Please join me in calling on every Senate Democrat to do everything in their power -- including joining Senator Dodd's efforts to filibuster this legislation -- to stop retroactive immunity and stand up for the rule of law. The Constitution should not be for sale at any price.
Thank you for taking action.
John Edwards
January 24, 2008 """
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I would think Nancy McConnell would want to keep a low profile. After his mysterious cave-in to Larry Craig and persistent murmurs and whispers, you'd think she oops he would want to keep his head down. oops
He does keep his head down ... but only when he thinks no one is looking and he won't get caught.
When this bill finally comes up, after all the jabs and feints and puches, and immunity is granted, they should put in there to try the telecom company that wouldn't spy on American citizens. If AT&T was only duing it's patriotic duty when asked by the Bush administration to spy, well then, Qwest should be on trial for treason. Right? Right?
How can they even consider the pre-9/11 spying by the telecoms. Remember, no on could have predicted 9/11. So why was Bush having the telecoms spy on Americans? Shouldn't our Senators be screaming to the press about this?
Don't Give the President a Forum for his SOTU Rally
If the Republicans are suddenly reversing field to stop a FISA bill from passing prior to Monday so that the Preznit can use the failure to pass a FISA update in his SOTU speech, the Dems should respond by taking away that motivation. Why should a Democratic Congress help a partisan Preznit stage a free media event for their party? Tell Dubya that he can mail his address in to Congress, like presidents did for most of our history, before we turned it into some mini-Nuremberg Rally, cheer-leading session for whatever idiot happens to be president at the moment. If he wants to appear and speak in person, fine, he speaks to an open joint session in an actual floor debate. He speaks from the floor, like everyone else. Like everyone else, he doesn't get a teleprompter. He doesn't get to plant human props for his speech in the gallery, which is instead turned over to the homeless. He has to take questions, and answer the rebuttal from the Speaker. He doesn't get a grand entrance televised. Of course they would refuse these conditions, because Dubya would be an absolute disaster stating and defending actual ideas, as opposed to reading from a script. So he'ld mail in the thing his speechwriters wrote for him, and no one would read it because we already know he has nothing of substance to say, not anything that is even coherent enough that you would bother to disagree with it. Save everybody involved a lot of time and energy, and deny some thoroughly undeserved free media to someone who already has much more opportunity to make known his supposed ideas than anyone else on the planet.
Fri, 01/25/2008 - 06:22 — The Oracle (not verified)
Better no FISA bill at all right now than accepting a Bush-sponsored FISA bill.
And what will happen?
FISA will revert back to its original wording and intent. Suspected terrorists will still be monitored, whether foreign (warrantless) or potential domestic terrorists (requiring a FISA warrant).
All that Bush and his corrupt Republican crony pals want is to return the glorious Nixon years before FISA, so there is no government oversight (especially legislative or judicial) of the most corrupt administration in American history, an administration with a neo-fascist bent, an administration that is even worse than the Nixon administration as far as criminal acts and criminal intent and criminal coverups.
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Isn't it ironic that Republicans complain about not getting "up or down votes" on judges THEY want, but they block up or down votes all the time on everything else?
How do you spell hypocrite? R-E-P-U-B-L-I-C-A-N
Go Chris Dodd! Obama; Clinton; where are you?
More proof that Republicans aren't on anyone's side except on the side of making the Democrats inept.
The only place Republicans care about up and down is in bathroom stalls.
Telecoms to runners..'BRING MORE CASH!'....
God! I hate these people. Every last one of these Republicans are traitors to there own country. MSM isn't even reporting on this. I have had enough of the goddam election bullshit I feel like screaming! These rich white dirtbags will not be happy until this country is dust. Let's put I this way, I will NEVER vote for another Republican, ever!
Fuck. Reid. He's just trying to get back into the Dems good graces now that he has already committed the deed.
None of the amendments is worth a mound of dirt anyway. Feinstein's is a red herring. The only answer would have been to introduce the other version of FISA, but it's too late for that.
I think you nailed it, John. Stall this thing and then Monday night bush can talk about the thing expiring but the threat from the "terrorists" never expires....or some horse shit like that. Bush will put on his serious face. The one he wore when he said that Saddam was trying to buy yellow cake......from Africa.
P.D. @ 6:
I WANT TO KNOW HOW you wiretapped my brain!!! HOW DARE YOU!!!
( :) )
It's past time for a million marchers with torches and pitchforks (as someone else wrote here recently) to head toward the Capitol.
MSM won't cover it, but it's way past time to say screw MSM.
Reid is shocked, shocked! that the Repugs would use this for political gain? Where the hell has he been? The Dems, most of them anyway, are like they all have battered wife syndrome. They get whacked around, then the Repugs say they'll play nice, and then it happens again, and again, and again. When is Harry going to grow a pair and realize that the GOP cares nothing about actually governing the country? They ONLY care about politics. Jeebus H. Christ, how many times you gotta get kicked in the balls before you do something about it?
He also said that he can’t wait for the day when Republicans offer up amendments to future bills
He can't wait for the day so he can watch all the Dems roll over on their bellies and act like this whole thing never happened? Stop with the empty, wishy-washy threats and pounce. Broken record announcement: stay on the offensive.
Otay @ 7:
Exactly. He could've won on this issue without even having a fight. Instead he chose not only to have the fight, but rig it for the Republicans (or the telecoms) as well.
Screw him. He's the Dems' Arlen Specter.
Hey Hillary and Obama! Get your asses off the campaign trail and save this country!
Dick (no, not that one) @ 12:
If you actually believe his kabuki theater is sincere, you're the one with battered wife syndrome. These sell-out corporate DINOs do this constantly. They aren't being outmaneuvered. They win by "losing".
They hope the the BS tax rebates are gonna soothe the masses.. It's to bad we as a people are so dumbed down that we can't remember the basics we were taught in high school civics. Like the Constitution and our rights and obligations to be an informed electorate, not told what to do. or swayed by smoke and mirrors... But hey Paris was here in Philly area the other day.. Who cares about our rights and freedoms
And Barach Obama wants to reach across the aisle to these Republican PIGS! To do what?Yea I say reach across the aisle, and grab them by their bloody throats till they scream. I've had enough of this BS Bipartisan crap. Democrats are useless. The only one I would consider voting for at this time is JOHN EDWARDS. I've had it with the MSM, the spineless democratic party, and the dumb sheep American people who have put up with Bush and his Republican Crooks for this long.
Dick (no, not that one) @ 12:
Leopards don't change their spots. 9 times out of 10, people are the same. They may tell themselves they'll change but just keep doing the same things, while coming up with new excuses why they have to do them. We Dems have been fooling ourselves thinking that the people we have in office would change, or even could change.
Cat Atomic:
Well, that's right also. Reid, Feinstein, Rockefeller and Pelosi all love that telcom money.
Bush will get what he wants. Pelousy and Reidiot will make damn sure of that. Remember, Bama, Clinton, Pelousy and Reidiot LOVE THE WAR, and everything Bush is trying to do.....
Cat Atomic @ 16:
Reid is definitely playing Kabuki theater. As are 10 to 20 Dems in the Senate, who have whined that they need to support the telecoms for the funding.
In the end, they want both to have telecom immunity, and to pretend the Repubs would not let them take away telecom immunity. And some of us are falling for this hook, line and sinker.
What till McConnell has to defend himself about the real reason how he squirmed out the Army in the summer of '67! The cat's out of the bag on this chicken-hawk, the phony excuses he gave about his eyes or having polio as a kid, don't pass the smell test! Someone I know real well, has his Selective Service Record that was received thru a FOIA!
Mitch, I hope one of your groupies is reading this and passes it on to you, cause it's going to get real hot in Kentucky in your re-election race
Spine!
Bush and the Telecoms have broken the FISA Laws, Criminally!
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=cafferty+file+bush&num=100&so=0&st...
They have broken the laws of this nation and deserve to be held accountable for their actions.
ABSOLUTELY NO IMMUNITY FOR THE ILLEGAL DOMESTIC WARRANTLESS WIRETAPPING FOR EIGHT MONTHS PRIOR TO SEPT 11TH!
Swashbuckler @ 1:
Actually that's how you spell a lot of interesting words:
Anti-American
Prick
Snake
Liar
Criminal
Rat
the list continues...
And don't be so naive to think that the Rs once seriously wanted rules to apply to everyone equally. They wanted straight up-or-downs when they controlled Congress. Now they filibuster everything and the court jester Reid gives them all they want. They denounce "activist" judges when it's really their activist judges they want. They're pro-life only so long as something is unborn, then all bets are off. They're only concerned about war and fiscal responsibility when they're not in control (see Kosovo, see 2 trillion spent in Iraq).
These things should be obvious to any sane person at this point. The repug party has tracked a path built 100% on hypocrisy since Harding. Any honest Republican is long since gone. Even Nixon held an amount of decency. These people in Congress we've been saddled with don't give a shit; they'll sell you up a river and enjoy doing it. The repug party has abdicated any minor throne it once held to some semblance of logic and opted for power and money above all else. They've shown themselves to be nothing but the welfare queens they despise. Make no mistake: all the money they get IS welfare. It's all the money they've siphoned off to corporations that goes full circle into their bank account for favorable legislation. The Nigerians can only envy such a racket.
the repugs would just a shoot all of in the head if would assure their success
in completely destroying the US CONSTITUTION and the USA.
i say send them all blindfolded to stand in a major freeway
and say if you can make your way safely to either side then
we will listen to what you say. otherwise, .............
Daisy Zimmerly @ 4:
oh daisy you are so shameful, but i love you anyway.
So the other day I was walking down the street and Dick Cheney came up to me and said "Hey, kick and stomp on that puppy for me and then steal that child's candy." Well since it was the Vice President of the USA asking me to do itof course it had to be legal and justified right? Now I've got a dead puppy to deal with and this crying child keeps following me. Wont some upright GOP patriots come to my defense and save me from being punished from doing the right thing??? I mean I didn't do anything wrong... did I?
/snark
How idiotic is this whole mess? I swear... I think these Telecome CEOs Just prove that it doesn't take brains to run a company.
"Standing for the rule of law means standing for it everywhere."
Amen.
And to think… there are some in the Democratic party that want to "reach across party lines" and "be more inclusive".
These Republican morons are obstructionists who don't give a damn about the Constitution or the American people.
There is no reasoning with them or working with them. They think government is a game.
Vote them all out.
When this bill finally comes up, after all the jabs and feints and puches, and immunity is granted, they should put in there to try the telecom company that wouldn't spy on American citizens. If AT&T was only duing it's patriotic duty when asked by the Bush administration to spy, well then, Qwest should be on trial for treason. Right? Right?
Has the FBI paid their phone bill yet?
Inquiring minds...
How to spell Republican
R--reptilian
E--egotestical
P--pantywaists
U--underhanded
B--brainless
L--liars
I--ignorant
C--crazy
A--asshole
N-nitwit
Yes - I hate these people. Their connection to decency, honesty and reality has been completely severed. I'll say it one more time, no one with a conscience can call him or herself a Republican anymore. No excuses, anyone who says, 'I'm a Republican' is saying, 'I am an immoral, cheating, lying thief.'
The law? What do I care for the law? Hain't I the power?
Commodore Mc Connellbilt
Mitch Mc Fuckwit better start getting praying to his god of hubris and deceit immediatelybecause his arrogant party of neanderthals and criminals is going to get a major ass kicking in about 10 months. Piss on this scumbag and their party of the mentally retarded.
It isn't just the Republicans pushing for telecom immunity. Democrats are marching firmly at their side.
None of them wants the moneybags locked up if they vote against immunity.
The Dems are complicit in agreeing to the illegal spying. This is why they are dancing around the issue despite the uproar from their constituents.
Well what did the Dems think lwould happen when they've been rolling over for so long?
Apples @ 14:
reid is a fucking repug in dem clothing. like lieberman, he is a fucking retard.
anney @ 37:
You got that right. That's why folks are trying to purge those artificial Dems as well. For the people, right?
What difference does it make what is happening. The MSM won't report it. The public thinks that the Democrats ARE INEPT. And that they don't pass any bills. That's the problem with education in our schools today. NONE OF THE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THE DEVIL is the procedure for having a bill passed in the Senate.
I WENT TO GRADE SCHOOL IN THE 1940'S and damn it, they taught us how it works and at age 75 I still remember. What is wrong with this bunch of young people today and some of the oldsters too. Until we get fairness out of the MSM we will never get the truth out to the public.
McConnel's an A-hole and Reid is a weak knee'd sister.
can the republican party be prosecuted using rico?
Dick (no, not that one) @ 20:
Pelosi has not taken telecom money to any degree, and has opposed immunity from the start. The House FISA RESTORE act, passed last fall, does not offer any immunity.
Reid, Feinstain, Rockefeller -- you got that right. But throwing Pelosi under the wheels over this is a lie.
Reid needs to grow a pair and make the Repubs filibuster every single time. Soon they'll tire of it and back down.
This is just ridiculous.
Hey Democrates:...(psssss they are bugging YOUR phones and email! they know everything your GOING to do...GET IT!
Did anyone catch that revulsive spetacle on CSPAN-2 this morning, as a couple of Repub Senators trooped to the vacant Senate floor to report on some kind of "retreat" some of them had over the weekend. It was one of the most hypocritical, duplicitous calls for "bipartisanship" I've ever seen. Never was the word "filibuster" or "cloture votes" mentioned, by the way. Not surprising. What is did sound like though is that they're kind of worried over the fact that Americans seem to gradually be coming to understand just what kind of obstructionists the Repugs have been. They're REAL WORRIED about November.
Mitch McConnell is such a slimy little weasel.
Otay @ 8:
S. 2248, which they are debating, has the immunity clauses struck out (Titles II and VIII). It's confusing, but if I have it right, passage of S. 2248 would produce a no-immunity bill in conference (thus the cloture move).
Reid tried to introduce the House bill, but was blocked.
And when will Mitch be announcing that HE is not seeking reelection.
I would think Nancy McConnell would want to keep a low profile. After his mysterious cave-in to Larry Craig and persistent murmurs and whispers, you'd think she oops he would want to keep his head down. oops
Dick (no, not that one) @ 12:
You've nailed it 100%. The Dems in Congress are like victims of abusers, trapped and unable to escape the cycle of abuse. They just don't get the fact that every time they "reach across the aisle" and try to do things "in a bipartisan fashion" that the Rs are going to play politics.
This is a classic problem with the Dems--we believe in good governing, not winning. Someday I hope we'll figure out that we need to win in order to govern well.
It's time for someone to slam McConnell's slimey, disgusting ass on the senate floor, god I hate that scummy bastard.
WLWEsq @ 53:
Sure, the collapse of the justice system is just gravy, eh? The mass-media complicity with the coup -- that's just not at issue. No media support, little public support, no legal back up -- so, wow, the R who are part of the coup can do what they please. How strange.
The idea that Reid is shocked by what is happening is otherwise known as ACTING. He knows that the gov't is not legal, and won't be, until our little problem is resolved (by whatever means).
america missed a chance to have a great president.chris dodd speaks the truth,about the repugantcans hypocrites.
Obama and Clinton could not be bothered to even vote on this FISA bill.
John Edwards on FISA: the only candidate left who actually LEADS.
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John Edwards on FISA (since I am in NY, the NY senators are indicated. Replace w/ yours).
From John Edwards, on January 24, 2008:
""Urgent: Stand Up for the Constitution
When it comes to protecting the rule of law, words are not enough. We need action.
It's wrong for your government to spy on you.That's why I'm asking you to join me today in calling on Senate Democrats to filibuster revisions to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) that would give "retroactive immunity" to the giant telecom companies for their role in aiding George W. Bush's illegal eavesdropping on American citizens.
The Senate is debating this issue right now -- which is why we must act right now. You can call your Senators here: (insert yours)
Hillary Rodham Clinton, (D): (202) 224-4451
Charles E. Schumer, (D): (202) 224-6542
Granting retroactive immunity is wrong. It will let corporate law-breakers off the hook. It will hamstring efforts to learn the truth about Bush's illegal spying program. And it will flip on its head a core principle that has guided our nation since our founding: the belief that no one, no matter how well connected or what office they hold, is above the law.
But in Washington today, the telecom lobbyists have launched a full-court press for retroactive immunity. George Bush and Dick Cheney are doing everything in their power to ensure it passes. And too many Senate Democrats are ready to give the lobbyists and the Bush administration exactly what they want.
Please join me in calling on every Senate Democrat to do everything in their power -- including joining Senator Dodd's efforts to filibuster this legislation -- to stop retroactive immunity and stand up for the rule of law. The Constitution should not be for sale at any price.
Thank you for taking action.
John Edwards
January 24, 2008 """
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moondancer @ 52:
He does keep his head down ... but only when he thinks no one is looking and he won't get caught.
MrMtyzptlk @ 32:
How can they even consider the pre-9/11 spying by the telecoms. Remember, no on could have predicted 9/11. So why was Bush having the telecoms spy on Americans? Shouldn't our Senators be screaming to the press about this?
Don't Give the President a Forum for his SOTU Rally
If the Republicans are suddenly reversing field to stop a FISA bill from passing prior to Monday so that the Preznit can use the failure to pass a FISA update in his SOTU speech, the Dems should respond by taking away that motivation. Why should a Democratic Congress help a partisan Preznit stage a free media event for their party? Tell Dubya that he can mail his address in to Congress, like presidents did for most of our history, before we turned it into some mini-Nuremberg Rally, cheer-leading session for whatever idiot happens to be president at the moment. If he wants to appear and speak in person, fine, he speaks to an open joint session in an actual floor debate. He speaks from the floor, like everyone else. Like everyone else, he doesn't get a teleprompter. He doesn't get to plant human props for his speech in the gallery, which is instead turned over to the homeless. He has to take questions, and answer the rebuttal from the Speaker. He doesn't get a grand entrance televised. Of course they would refuse these conditions, because Dubya would be an absolute disaster stating and defending actual ideas, as opposed to reading from a script. So he'ld mail in the thing his speechwriters wrote for him, and no one would read it because we already know he has nothing of substance to say, not anything that is even coherent enough that you would bother to disagree with it. Save everybody involved a lot of time and energy, and deny some thoroughly undeserved free media to someone who already has much more opportunity to make known his supposed ideas than anyone else on the planet.
Don't mess with Senator Dodd. He is not up to any more bull shit from these people.
Better no FISA bill at all right now than accepting a Bush-sponsored FISA bill.
And what will happen?
FISA will revert back to its original wording and intent. Suspected terrorists will still be monitored, whether foreign (warrantless) or potential domestic terrorists (requiring a FISA warrant).
All that Bush and his corrupt Republican crony pals want is to return the glorious Nixon years before FISA, so there is no government oversight (especially legislative or judicial) of the most corrupt administration in American history, an administration with a neo-fascist bent, an administration that is even worse than the Nixon administration as far as criminal acts and criminal intent and criminal coverups.
listen pubs, 'immunity' is "OFF THE TABLE", GOT IT!
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