Bill Kristol: White women are a problem
By John Amato Saturday Feb 02, 2008 12:25pm
The neocon warmonger speaks. With Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton locked in a very good battle leading up to Super Tuesday, Kristol makes this misogynistic quote:
BILL KRISTOL: Look the only people for Hillary Clinton are the Democratic establishment and white women... it would be crazy for the Democratic party to follow the establishment that's led them to defeat year after year... White Women are a problem - but, you know... we all live with that...
[Hume, Williams, Wallace, Liaison crack up]
JUAN WILLIAMS: not me...
HUME: For the record, I like white women.
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I'd say white women have a problem with you now, Mr. Kristol. I've heard in a just a few other places that the Latino vote is a very important constituency out west that both candidates are vying for, but for some reason William the Bloody refuses to acknowledge them. I wonder why? Are you still happy NY Times?
Dave Manatt from Politics TV says:
Where to begin? I'm no paleo-feminist -- and the attacks on Obama and Kennedy by NOW et. al. have only re-enforced every stereotype about them - but this FOX moment is just solid sexism at its worst.
Then the panelists - Williams... One of the panel "liberals", who of course infamously has faced sexual harassment charges in the 90s while working at the Washington Post. The other "liberal" on the panel and only woman, Mara Laison said... nothing. Hey NOW -- how about going after her???
Finally, there is the matter of accuracy. Kristol wants to perpetuate the myth of the "loser Democrats". Hmmm, Bill. Where were you in the 06 midterms? Looks like his neocon bunker mentality won't thaw until election day.
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I thought it was very telling at the end of that segment, they were talking about a Clinton/Obama ticket, with Obama being the VP candidate, and they all agreed, if that happens it'll be very crowded with two Clintons and Obama in the Oval Office. Sounded like they pretty much agree that such a ticket would beat McCain and whoever.
At some point, it becomes quite obvious that right-wingers like Kristol are desperate to run against Hillary Clinton as the Dem nominee. That seems the only way to explain the obvious trolling they do about her. Insult Hillary Clinton and white women so they'll be more inclined to come to her defense.
I'm not sure who the tactic insults more: Hillary Clinton or white women.
It's amazing that every time I see this guys face I just really want to kick his teeth in. I feel horrible about it but it's the truest feeling...
When are these types going be held accountable?
wanker willie kristolnacht is making both a racist and sexist comment to show he's not biased.
One thing about these white women (called soccer moms a few years ago and sought by publicans) is they often seek help from the government for those under economic duress, not just financing blood dripping war machines.
kristolnacht is a blood dripping whore machine.
WMD's, imminent threat, greeted as liberators, short war, White Women are a problem...
Just kidding honey. America still loves me. Don't change the code on the alarm again.
I will never watch a clip of GuppyMouth here, nor will I resist the temptation to remind the dear readers how fish-like he is.
Cringeworthy. Wow. It can't possibly be taken out of context either. A bunch of old white guys with their token black guy (who they ignore) laughing about how white women should be irrelevant.
yikes.
Of course white women are a problem for Kristol.
How would you like to go through your life having a whole class of society screaming 'No', every time you approach one of them?
Where da white wimin at?
Kristol is right for once. If Hillary wins, then the prophetic word written by Tim Lahye will come to pass. According to him, one of the president is taken out of the way and a woman who is close associate of the beast in charge is going to rule America.
Hillary frightens me. She is a puppet of the man in charge.
This election is already decided by Dr. Claw.
I assure you mr. hume, there are very few 'white women' who reciprocate.
Always good to hear from the misogynist majority. As if we don't have it rammed down our collective throats with a fist every damn day.
Well, as a middle aged white women I guess Kristol would consider me a feminist nazi. What a pant load. The fact MSM puts this idiot on to spew his garbage is amazing. This idiot even has a column in my newspaper. I guess the older white guys thrive on this crap. But for this feminist bitch, I'm to smart to fall for this drivel.
Problem with conservatives is they only deal with two types of women:
1. Women who are dumb enough to accept the 'submit to their husbands' type; and
2. Hookers.
No wonder they don't respect them and no wonder they quake in fear in their secretly worn silk panties at the thought of a strong female president.
With these kind of comments, the NYTimes will make him managing editor now in an effort to be "balanced".
Just another day in Faux "News" going down the drain.
Filthy Harry @ 9:
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10 EZ
Lay of the EZ Widers duuude....
Bill Kristol is Lukudnic neo-con enemy of America, he's one of those neo-cons who are fine about Americans soldiers dying for Israel's cause.
Kristol just did a twofer... one shot at race and another at gender. Today's TV is returning to the old racist/sexist days of the 50's and 60's.
Excuse me Mr. Kristol.......[Deleted. Check the racism at the door, please. Site Monitor]
And this guy writes for the New York Times...
Kristol has a perpetual look of nausea on his face.
Like he's straining not to choke on his on bile.
liberalal @ 19:
don't see how Kristol and what he said is any more of a problem than someone who says [Refers to deleted comment. Site Monitor]
The media likes Obama. Even the right wingers don't have much to attack him on. Hillary, on the other hand, is so divisive it will cause us a problem in the general election. Her Iraq vote may be the biggest as John McCain can just say - well you supported the war too .... at the start ... and we gotta finish the job. Hillary has a lot more in common with Kristol than either know. These are both corporatist war hawks that supportered going into Iraq and are know pushing war with Iran.
Woman that are supporting Hillary really need to get off voting based on gender and look at the voting records and personal characteristics. The Clinton race-baiting and dirty politics is not something I want to see representing our party.
The winds of change are blowing wild and free across America. Hillary's women will not be enough to win the primary and if they do swing it to her we are doomed for failure and should just hand John McCain the Presidency.
Excuse me Kristol -- but this "white woman" has honorably served this country in the US Army and the US Army Reserve so that f*cking a**holes like you can make an idiot out of yourself and say s*it like this.
Tell you what -- I'll match my honorable military service record against yours any day of tthe week. Oops -- that would be taking advantage of you since you don't HAVE any military service record, much less one that is honorable.
And Fox didn't renew Montel Williams contract because he spoke up in defense of our troops and yet these sexist, racist people will keep their jobs at Fox. As a "white woman", I didn't find the comment funny. The laughter made it even more offensive.
Well, I guess he's trying to rile the women into turning out for Hillary because everyone knows the Republicans want to run against her. However, he is correct, the Democratic establishment seems determined to drag us down to defeat once again with another unelectable candidate like Hillary Clinton. When it gets down to it, Americans don't want a 3rd Billary term.
Bill Kristol is 5 feet tall and all that goes with that.
Actually, he gives short men a bad name.
Most shortn guys are pretty cool actually.
When a very short man is also bloodthirsty... there is a problem.
Tell me I am wrong.
I hate to admit it but Billiebob is right. The Dems are missing an opportunity to take back the white house because neither Obama nor Hillary are electable. While we like to pretend that it isn’t true there is still enough prejudice in this country to prevent a woman or a black man getting elected.
I don't get the Clinton hate from Billy, she's signed on with every muttonhead idea he's had so far. Kyl-Lieberman, yea on the AUMF etc. You think he'd want her as McCain's VP.
P.D. @ 12:
Screw Krystolnacht and his condescending view of society. I sentence him to watch the PBS American Experience episode about Susan B. Anthony, who IMHO was a stalwart and
exceptionally courageous person. Despite overwhelming odds, she kept true to her cause anyway. She did not live long enough to see her dream fulfilled but because of her passion and determination , the 19th amendment was passed on August 26, 1920.
You do not have to apologize for being feminist, ever, remember, the heavy liftiing that people like you and Susan B. Anthony do will lift up future generations. I am so tired of our condescending caste system of society. I pray that I will live long enough to see it be a memory.
Who said Hillary is a woman? If she wins, the whole land is going to be gay.
You folks deserve what you get.
I wonder how long it is going to take the NY Times to reconsider hiring Kristol and take out the trash.
As soon as I can reach my husband I will ask him if I may express my opinion on this subject and what Mr. Kristol said. My apron string is tied to the stove and of course I am barefoot. I'm guessing I'm not the "white woman" Mr. Kristol has trouble with today.
(snark)
Since Fox News considers "white women" a problem, then they should set an example by firing all the "white women" that work at Fox News. Guess this means that Dana Perino is a problem since she is a "white woman". How about adding Lynne Cheney and Laura Bush to the list of problematic "white women". This could go on and on... Condi is safe because she is a black "woman" so she must only be 1/2 the problem.
EZ @ 33:
So will you my friend, so will you.
Bre'r Kristol only wants to help. Please, please don't throw us into that briar patch.
Regretfully, sexist remarks are still somewhat acceptable, while racist jokes will get you fired. Either on-air idiocies should get you fired.
Still, one cannot argue that Hillary pushed her "woman" angle more explicitly than Barack has pushed his "black" angle. This is smart politics for Hillary since woman are the majority of voters in democratic primaries and women saved her butt in the NH primary. The other thing that bothers me is equating Hillary bashing with sexism. The issues people have with Hillary are very specific to her and not to her gender. Hillary is a brilliant woman, but I don't think she has really come to terms to why some people dislike her so much. She probably sincerely believes that people who dislike her do so because of the "right wing conspiracy" or "sexism". It's a tremendous chip on her shoulder that clouds her judgement. Obama has managed to decouple himself from the racism baggage much more so than Hillary has managed to decouple herself from the sexism baggage.
Capnden @ 30:
I think this country will elect a freakin' gerbil to the Presidency before John "another 100 years in Iraq"/"Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" McCain. And you think Obama and Clinton are unelectable?
EZ @ 33:
Homophobia is gay.
I'd imagine if I kept the same "white woman" company that The Bloody keeps, I'd have a problem with them, too. (i.e. Coulter, Malkin, et al).
He needs a good swift kick in the ass. Well, he needs many things...but that would be a good start.
Here is the youtube clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-xQM6YDePk
Did this man's mommy scald him with the bath water or something? How can someone so obviously in need of psychoanalysis be all over the media?
Kristol = carbuncle
sammy @ 40:
Either Barack or Hillary will beat Mc Insane like a pinada. He has made so many mistakes and public gaffes that if I were the Democratic candidate I would relish the opportunity to hammer him mercilessly into oblivion.
EZ @ 33:
Reich-wing "logic" is always worth a chuckle.
Mara Liason said NOTHING. But then she is one of the boys on the panel: totally reliable, like Gloria Borger on CNN.
Sexism is the way you treat women in real situations and the images you project via discourse. This was not a stereotyping session.
This Kristol incident was not about women. They are talking about strategy in the presidential race. They don't care one way or another about Hillary as a women or women as a category except in the context of this, a year of political acquisition. This is polism.
I wish the left would catch on to the real game and how it's played.
I wish women ran the world, but If women think this is real slander, they are just as confused as men.
If kristolnacht was a caveman, back when you had to club a woman on the head, and drag her off to your cave by her hair, he would've suffered from club envy.
Once again, he is disgusting, but the others laughing especially, what's his name the PBS guy. It's like McCain not saying anything to the "Bitch" comment. It's still ok to hate women and to joke about it.
EZ @ 33:
Guess that means you will be gay too. Good luck with that - you'll learn to love it.
And another redneck trashtard heard from.
bmw 528 @ 45:
If it wasn't for the fact that they already cheated-in an alcoholic, drunk driving, coke using, awol,chickenshit, c-student, dumber than dogshit, racist, son of a bitch I'd agree with you.
sammy @ 34:
wanker willie tried to take out the trash, but (m)ann said no.
Every Sunday I feel a little twinge of loss and regret for having canceled my long-time subscription of the NYT over their choice of the offensive and ignorant William Kristol as "conservative" columnist. Besides the fact that he is an insult to the integrity of true conservatives everywhere, he never fails to astound by his utter lack of the "commons"--decency and sense--and his performance on Fox News Sunday this morning was no exception. On the off chance that the Times actually cares what their boy is up to, I forwarded this clip of Fox News Sunday to the Public Editor.
Oh that Bill! What a charmer. He managed the rightwing bigot's trifecta--racism, sexism and asinine political punditry (apparently he was not around in 2006 when the "Democratic establishment" wiped the floor with his ilk) in one fell swoop. Every time I feel regret about my cancellation, Kristol reveals his ugly side(s) and I realize I made the right choice to cancel. The NYT must be so proud.
BTW, does it seem that Brit Hume is just a little too eager to assert his heterosexual interest in white women? Could it be that they actually hit the coveted "quad-fecta" this morning with subtle gay bashing in the mix, as well? Good job Goof Troupe!
dugg it
This can't get enough attention.
Can't you guys take a joke? This idiot has said much more infuriating things than this. And for the record, I love me some women of a all different colors.
Cats r flyfishn your right. But have you seen the Barbie Dolls Faux News hires. You would think you stumbled on 'The next Top Model.' All the blonde hair and perfect teeth is distracting. Wait, maybe thats the point. Get a bunch of old dudes sitting in front of the TV drooling. What the hell, it worked for years!
EZ @ 33:
Hey, real cool guy. You have added gay bashing to jew bashing, race and gender. What a joke.
48 Richard Ray Harris
Is polism when wanker willie thinks with his pole?
Kristol... fucktard supreme! What a loser!!!!
The New York Times promoting war (Safire, Judith Miller, now Kristol) and bigotry. What a proud institution. Fit for birdcages and nothing else.
MargeAggedon @ 52:
Yeah, but Bush made a better drinking buddy than Gore or Kerry. I'd rather drink with Clinton than McCain, and I'd sure like to inhale with Obama.
Seriously though, maybe you have a point there. I'm just hoping maybe the hangover from drinking with Bush is still pounding in the heads of the public as they worship at the porcelain altar.
della Rovere @ 61:
My bird wouldn't shit on that rag.
if you guys havent seen there will be blood....you all need to
there is no question that pt anderson was thinking about william the bloody and ralph reed when creating the eli sunday character
i call on plainview to walk off the screen and bludgeon this little twerp
thank you
kac90b @ 42:
I'd donate for a frontal lobotomy for this fucktard (Kristol)... by the way, who's he sleeping with? A white woman?!
Hey, Condi Rice! A conservatives best black friend!
wanker willie looks back to the good ol days when women belonged in the kitchen pregnant and barefoot.
Now they're also allowed bareass in Juggs magazine, and are allowed to wear stilletoes.
51, I am not a redneck. I am orthodox and I just bash the evil guys from every denominations and the perverts.
I know I striked your nerve, because you are a gay.
Now that Edwards has been totally marginalized by the media, Kristol and his ilk are trying to make this a race between a bi-racial man, a white woman, and a white male. Conflict riles up the people, so they don't see the props being moved around behind the curtain, even though the curtain is transparent as glass.
These are the people Barack thinks he can unite with, he's going to reach across the aisle to these powermongers? Give me a break. Kristol is the face of the Republican power base. Barack will reach out his hand and they will effing bite it off.
He's pretty smarmy for a man who has more American blood on his hands than Osama Bin Laden...
I'm a closeted orthodox gay redneck evil prevert hater!
Oops. Out of the closet now...
EZ @ 68:
Really I'm, a white, black, male/female, hetro, gay leftwing human. More then can be said for you troll.
More about the white woman who is going to change history to doom for the evil folks and glory for the good people.
Qote: Hillary knows exactly how to present herself to the public, and we will never know the truth until she is firmly in the saddle, our first compulsively Oedipal President, who is fanatically convinced that "everything must be different!" That was, of course, the Nazi creed. It is not an ideology but a compulsive personality trait.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/01/hillarys_oedipal_problem.html
Quote: Hillary knows exactly how to present herself to the public, and we will never know the truth until she is firmly in the saddle, our first compulsively Oedipal President, who is fanatically convinced that “everything must be different!” That was, of course, the Nazi creed. It is not an ideology but a compulsive personality trait.
http://www.americanthinker.com.....oblem.html
OMG REALLY CONVINCING OPINION PIECE FROM SOME REICH-WING BLOG EZ!!!
With persuasive, infallible facts like these, the GOP is certain to win come November!
So William Kristol has a problem with white women? Is he coming out of the closet? Or implying that women should be considered chattel again? Does he believe, like Ann Coulter, that women should have the vote taken away from them? Just exactly what is William Kristol's problem with white women, and does he have that same problem with black women, or latino women, or asian women, or do those women not even worth a mention in his putrefied, hateful, prejudiced ugly mind?
One more question. I will presume that FOX News has the same problem with white women that Mr. Kristol has, and I expect no action from them at all. My question is, does the New York Times also have a problem with white women?
The intent is to get Hillary nominated...They truly fear Obama and this should hit all the news on Monday just before Super Tuesday...Anger the Female voter and get Hillary some more votes...It seems to be working it's all over the web now.
ysbaddaden @ 4:
You beat me to it ysbaddaden. Sexist and racist in one sentence.
I wonder why Kristol didn't throw in lesbian with it and go for a trifecta in wankerism. Heck, he could've covered all bases with "atheist lesbian white women". He just didn't seem to be really get it up on that one.
But I expect some troll will come in on this thread to help him with a reach around.
Hey idiotic 72, I say this for your own good to save your soul from damning soon.
EZ @ 74:
Hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
In other news, Kristol has picked the Red Sox to win the Super Bowl.
mdhatter @ 21:
He always reminds me of a colicky baby. The Republicans have sooooooooo tried to play with the heads of the Democrats during this primary season. Who do the Republicans really want because he or she will be the easier to beat in November?
I will be not be surprised that if Obama is elected as president, his fate may be similar to JFK.
The evil Dr. Claw is not interested in electing the good people to the white house. They are a hindrance to his agenda to control the world. He has to appoint people like Hillary, Bush, Obama, etc.
We have given awful choices in this election. I shall not vote because of my conscience.
Kristol doesn't have a problem with white women at all. He's intentionally making a sexist comment to goad Dem women into voting for Clinton as the Dem candidate. Because the right wing has desperately wanted a race against Hillary Clinton for years and have been doing their best to make it happen.
Of course, it's a cynical ploy on Kristol's part to so manipulate women into a knee-jerk response. Sadly, with many folks who become incensed and won't scrutinize his motives, they'll fall right into his trap.
BAHAHAAHAHAAHAH!. i should be offended but that was too classic. every last word at the end of that clip
"White women are a problem. But we all live with that one!"-bill kristol
"Not me!"-juan williams
"You know for the record, I like white women."-brit hume (i think)
those are great one liners. i could see paul mooney eating that up.
EZ @ 79:
Hey, don't waste your time, I'm already lost. I'm a 50+ year old outlaw motorcycle club member, who doesn't give a shit.
No. 75, I am not a rightwing or a leftwing. I am an orthodox who is neutral and is caring for the people's welfare. If I don't warn, I am doomed.
You are being duped by both parties. Many have sold their souls for money and are trampling the grace that was once found in this land. They have desecrated the constitution and the fundamental belief of our democracy.
EZ
Out of curiosity, what candidate are you backing?
That would tell us more than your race, religion, gender baiting.
Or are you attempting to earn your Master in Bating?
Of course, while some will be taken in by this kind of ploy, my hope is the vast majority of Dems are too smart to be fooled by Kristol's little head games.
A while back on a live C-SPAN forum, Mara Liaison moderated a group of former Presidential press secretaries from several decades past. During the introductions, her entire professional biography was read with one glaring omission--no mention that she is presently an analyst on Fox News. Could she be embarrassed by this Fox affiliation when she gets around real patriotic Americans who have served both their presidents and their country honorably?
army193 @ 77:
Yep.......watch the left hand as the right does what it wants.....you would think Americans would have figured this out by now..by this blog? Nope. Buying it hook, line and sinker.
A better question is, why are so many white men still insistent on voting Republican, after the disaster of Bush and given that almost all the GOP candidates are running on Bush's platform? That's not to mention the discounting of Latinos, as John notes, and I assume "the Democratic establishment" is Bill code for the black community?
I won't listen to him. His type should be facing extinction. It doesn't matter whether they want to run against Senator Clinton - she'd clean their Repub clock.
Read all about Hillary:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/01/hillarys_oedipal_problem.html
Batocchio @ 92:
White men are just looking for drinking buddies.
EZ @ 94:
Thats the second time you have posted that rightwing crap. We all read your first post. Give it a break.
Yeah, I know.... Kristol and I agree on something.... lord, I love white women, but they want employees, not husbands.
Don't ask how I know.
Flame away.
And by the way I'm not a Hillary supporter.
Orthodoxy isn't a political stripe but a religious one be it Jewish Orthodox, Eastern Orthodox, or Anglican orthodoxy.
Any other use methinks is an attempt of an embarrassed conservative to redub himself.
Democrats.
Hate to say it, cuz Kristol is a _ _ _hole, but he's right if you go by exit polls. Women (not necessarily white) are voting for Hillary, especially after her emotional plea about "just caring sooooooooooo much". And it is quite obvious from the mass "Hillary is the one to beat" hysteria the Democratic establishment has been spouting for the last few years, she is their choice. I think that is exactly why Bill has turned into the Obama attacker. Obama was supposed to be the "token" candidate challenger not to be taken seriously, and they are shocked and surprised by the turnouts he is getting. It has caught them off guard.
Part of the electioneering process is decreasing turnout of the opposition. Usually that's saved for the national elections, but this year seems to have started early. People like wanker willy, EZ, and too many posters on this site in various threads have tried to make it my guy or else.
How often have you seen the refrain if it's Obama/Hillary you might as well save your vote or vote for someone with no viable chance? Perhaps some might mean well, but their serving the interests of maintaining a republican police-state.
Gawd I hate those dicwads.
What is serious to them? Surely not war, killing, warmongering, the vets, the economy, the sick, the elderly, the poor, children, the Constitution, the election?
Well we know repug women are at home waiting to defend and stand by their man when he denies he isn't gay (this is a bad thing to repugs), a pedophile or a perv.
repugs are way behind the times making them highly dangerous
Why would dems listen to anything Kristol would say? The dope hasn't gotten anything right yet. All he is doing is preaching to the faux wingnuts.
ysbaddaden @ 102:
I could be wrong here, and correct me if I am, but is it not just a reflection of the Democratic Party we are seeing even on this blog? I mean, you KNOW what you are getting with the Republican Party, but the Dems seem to be everyone else. If you aren't Republican, there is nowhere else to go in the political landscape. I think that also explains the huge rifts and arguments in the Dem Party itself.
ysbaddaden @ 4:
soccer moms = white women?
I equate soccer moms to mean women who work at home or women who stay at home.
If white women had a problem with Kristol, he would be off the air.
ConcernedCanuck @ 105:
I don't think there is a huge riff in the democratic party. Most voting dems are pretty damn happy with either Obama or Hillary. The place you see this riff, is with bloggers (who are either left or right of mainstream dems) and the MSM. All the inside talking heads haven't been right about anything.
this just goes to show that if you are a heterosexual sexual predator, then all is
right in the world no matter what you say or do........regardless of the level of
their crimes, it's ok to be a heterosexual predator. double standards always
Obama will never be Clinton's VP.
Think about it.
For the love of God! Bill Kristol said white women are a problem! But we always knew that's how Republicans felt-- we just hadn't actually heard them say it! How long before they start rounding up white women and bringing them to Guantanamo?!? It can't be long now.
Self-indulget whiners.
ConcernedCanuck @ 101:
Canadian logic.
zugzug @ 7:
Kristol is a minority, Jewish.
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EZ @ 10:
[deleted. please don't flame the trolls. - site monitor]
As a fully paid-up card-carrying member of the 'white women' club, allow me to say...
Bwahahahahahaha!!! Oh, he is funny, he really is. It makes me mildly curious to know if he's married. And if she's white. And if she's actually a woman. Because with that attitude, I can see why he'd have a 'problem' with white women. As well as getting laid. Poor Billy.
MN USA @ 93:
Way to go!! Your right on target !!!!
tHeGaMeOfLiFe @ 112:
Am I wrong??
diamondmc @ 104:
Some Dems (mostly DLC ones like Hillary and Bill) take their cues from the GOP, despite the fact that the GOP and the right wing pundits are always wrong about everything.
The Clintons (especially Bill) have a masochistic relationship to the GOP, like they have to make them happy first, and the liberals/progressives in the Democratic party can go to hell. So maybe if Hillary wins, Kristol can get a job in their administration. Along with Anne Coulter, who is supporting Hillary (wink-wink).
This is kind of a sarcastic post, for the record....
Kristol is a waste of space, and waste of our time !
Super Tuesday is in 48 hrs - did YOU make up your mind how to VOTE ??
Re: Obama vs. Clintons ==> excellent article from Rich today, plse see it in 'robo-calls' thread linked here:
See the post:
Michele says: "BTW, does it seem that Brit Hume is just a little too eager to assert his heterosexual interest in white women? Could it be that they actually hit the coveted 'quad-fecta' this morning with subtle gay bashing in the mix, as well? Good job Goof Troupe!"
Actually Michele, most gay-bashing is GOP in origin. Did you see how quickly Rumney dropped Larry Craig after the "wide stance" airport tearoom scandal? My theory is that twits like Snit Fume serve as object lessons in what Freud called "projection," which is to say, finding in others something one dislikes about oneself. In many cases, it manifests as crypto-defensive posturing such as "Not me! I'm heterosexual!"
I'd say you're definitely onto something, but I hope you're wrong. Snit is so unappealing I can't imagine any guy wanting to have sex with him.
Bill Kristol was James Danforth “Dan” Quayle’s brain. That is all anyone needs to know about the man.
I have read in this comment section Obama people say that Barack will never be on the ticket as a VP. I would say that whoever says that is presumptuous unless they are authorized to speak for the Obama campaign. In politics it is foolish to say someone never will do something. If Hillary beats him in the primaries and it looks like that is going to happen, then he may well be asked. If he refuses then she will have to select another as her VP running mate. She will have an opportunity to choose another fine person as her running mate. There is no shortage of talented people in the Democratic party, whether they are Black, White, Native, Hispanic, or Asian Americans who would make great Presidents of the United States.
HUME: For the record, I like white women.
I guarantee if Barack ever said that he'd lose the election instantly.
ok Kristol......N.O.W......is going to luv this
JaneaneTheAcerbicGoblin @ 119:
The fact is that most voting dems are middle of the road. The progressive part of the party are to split to be of any importance. All you have to do is look at the postings on this sight or others like it. The left can't even agree if they want a dem in office or more repugs to prove their point that America is screwed. Most voting dems have already made up their mind that they will vote for either middle of the road canidates. For them either Obama or Hillary will be better then four more years of neocon rightwing crooks.
Well, Williams didn't make sense either...He tried so hard to boast Hillary, it was pathetic. I watched the whole show and have to say The Bloody Kristol was not so outspoken today.
diamondmc @ 125:
And the point is?
Kristol has been wrong about everything, all his life. Why do you still publish his bs?
ConcernedCanuck @ 118:
Indeed you are. Senator Obama has always been a formidable opponent. He has virtually no legislative voting record on which to be attacked, he is not only well spoken but speaks in such vague and uplifting generalities that virtually nothing he does say can be criticized. To another Canadian outside observer he is Ronald Reagan incarnate.
Yesterday it was Coulter. Today Krystal is now trying to play mind games with us "idealist" Dems as far as to who they should choose to face them.
Anybody who is worth their salt should not be paying attention to ANYTHNG these people have to say. We are falling into their trap.
I know that anything your opponent HATES is what you should SERVE them. It's just simple logic. They Reps HATE the Clintons.
FACT. Why? William Jefferson Clinton is probably the only Democratic President that has beaten the GOP twice (I maybe wrong) and won two consecutive terms. FACT.
Go and serve them the candidate who practically says that he is "a uniter not a divider" and watch them tear him up to bits.
The Huge Amount Of Republican Criticism Toward Hillary Clinton Shows They would Rather Run Against Obama?
Wait a minute. Why would the Republicans, through the MSM, be campaigning against Hillary Clinton, if they did not want to face Barack Obama? Are you telling me the Republican's claim Obama would be a harder candidate to defeat is a lie? Something here does not make sense.
If you let the Republicans tell you who they would rather face in the general, they would say Clinton because they would make their Party unite. So, why, at every opportunity the right-wing media get, they use it to trash Clinton? I have actually heard some Republicans say they are crossing over to vote for Obama. What really make no sense is the assertion, Republicans need to support Obama so we don't face him in the general election, after all he is the better candidate. Tell me that don't sound backwards: I fear him, so I support him to win the Democratic nomination. If Clinton is much easier to beat, the Republicans should be trying to help Clinton get the nomination of her Party. That would make sense to me.
Chris Matthews is like an open book, so he will be the first commentator to expose any Republican plan to influence the Democratic nomination. If he changes is rally call to favor McCain, they we will know the media is playing the Obama supporters like a highly tuned race car, driving them to a victory for John McCain.
Joseph
Does anyone know if Billy K can sing. I think he would make a wonderful Prof. Henry Higgins; "Why can't a woman be more like a man?..."
Joseph @ 131:
No, William...self-absorbed, neoconservatives SOBs like you who think they own the world are the problem.
Good grief...the man managed to be both a racist and a chauvinist in just one four-word sentence. All he would have needed in order to have the prejudice trifecta would have been a crack about religion or sexual orientation.
ConcernedCanuck @ 118:
You are wrong here's why:
1. Obama was never a "token" anything.
2. Obama was taken seriously from the day he opened his political mouth.
Everything else you wrote is right on.
"led them to defeat year after year" Yeal like when Bill was in for two terms or like the 06 elections. He must mean those defeats.
Bluestocking @ 134:
Exactly correct. And so over-represented in the media spotlight.
Face it lint can beat mccain.
Actually, it's white Anglo saxon male that is the problem with this world. Yep, I'm speaking out against my own race.
Krystol better watch it. He is underestimating the power of the woman vote. Women comprise the majority of voters in this country. Despite the polls women came out in force in one of the recent elections.
And besides, Krystol is basically wrong about everything. He thinks he's right and spins the information to fit his arguments but the idiot is going to be wrong as usual.
Wow, Chip. How noble of you to share your self-loathing with the rest of us. You trying to pick up some women who might surrender to your sensitivity?
Abby @ 130:
I think you are mistaken. I don't think William the bloody is talking to Dems at all. He is yucking it up with Republicans because he thinks that most voters are as vile as he is, and that the Republicans are safe with Edwards out. He thinks the Republican noise machine can beat either a woman or a black in the general election.
kasinca @ 128:
Good question. Who is funding Bill ?? We all know or can give an educated guess.
In the end he is on a dead end trajectory.
You bet your sweet ass white women are a problem for the republicans. Black women too!!
Lindy
P.D. @ 12:
ABSOLUTELY MISOGYNIST COMMENTS. BILL KRISTOL SHOULD BE FIRED. WHAT IF HE HAD SAID '"AFRICAN-AMERICANS ARE THE REAL PROBLEM"? OR GAY MEN? THERE ARE LAWS TO PROTECT from RACIST COMMENTS--BUT NO HATE LEGISLATION (like the one Hillary is trying to enact!) TO PREVENT ATTACKS ON WOMEN of ANY COLOUR!!! JOHN LENNON'S 1971 HIT SONG IS MY FAVOURITE: "'WOMAN IS THE NEGRO OF THE WORLD" LET'S GET BILL KRISTOL TO APOLOGIZE AND WRITE TO HIS MEDIA BOSSES and ask them to FIRE THE SEXIST PIG! and why was the only woman on the Panel silent? Simple: She's a REPUBLICAN!! GO HILLARY! and hopefully in the next 10 years, after Hussein Obama gets a POLITICAL DIAPER CHANGE, he can be an asset in the fight against misogyny. Read N.Y. Times last week with BOB HERBERT'S COLUMN: 'POLITICS AND MISOGYNY'....think immigration to Canada is only choice....
unfrozencaveman @ 39:
"The issues people have with her" is far to general a statement to be at all relevant. Up front, full disclosure first: I am voting for Hillary in the primaries; but, if Barack wins the nomination, I certainly won't lose sleep over pulling the lever for him. The rapid hatred from both Clinton and Obama supporters is absolutely disgusting and doesn't befit our party.
I certainly don't think that all criticism of Hillary is sexist, but sexism informs a vast portion of the constant inundation of Hillary bashing that comes out of the mainstream media and even the progressive blogs. Although belonging to a different generation of feminists, Gloria Steinem was spot on in her piece in the NYTimes. To quote a portion of it:
"But what worries me is that he is seen as unifying by his race while she is seen as divisive by her sex. What worries me is that she is accused of “playing the gender card” when citing the old boys’ club, while he is seen as unifying by citing civil rights confrontations. What worries me is that male Iowa voters were seen as gender-free when supporting their own, while female voters were seen as biased if they did and disloyal if they didn’t." (nytimes.com/2008/01/08/opinion/08steinem.html?_r=2&ex=1357534800&en=737e0fe8e3afc0f0&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)
There is certainly a double standard in how the MSM treats these two candidates, and the majority of people base their views on the information coming from the MSM. Examples abound where Hillary cannot escape the social norms of gender: she is either too frigid or too emotionally irrational; displays of emotion are over exaggerated in order to make her appear unstable; political commentators find it worthwhile to discuss her fashion choices (the "pearls of diamonds" debacle comes to mind).
Democrats, so liberal in the social attitudes, can't bear to find sexism in our own ranks. But it's there. Both Edwards and Obama displayed it (http://tomwatson.typepad.com/tom_watson/2008/01/the-sexist-medi.html) but there was no universal outcry against them. It went unnoticed. Yet, Hillary is accused of being a racist! (May I remind you that Jesse Jackson saw no fault with the Clintons?)
Even if you don't support Hillary, I'm amazed at the free pass we have given the the media in bombarding her with this sexist speech. We should be enraged! Calling them on their sexism! We're democrats and progressives and liberals!
But it hasn't happened. (With the delightful exception of Chris Matthews. But, he only apologized for one comment in a decades long trend of sexism towards many political women.) Why hasn't it happened? I fear it's because the rapid anti-Hillary camp thinks that to do so would somehow help, or support her in her campaign. So the sexism is allowed, but we tell ourselves, "Just this once. It's for a good cause."
That is a shame. It certainly doesn't do justice to us.
Bill kristol should be fired and we should protest his sexist comments against women, be they black, white or latino. Guess which candidate is working on enacting hate legislation to prevent such hate crimes against women? No, obama's still in process of changing his political diapers...it's the girl soon to be on the hill...
No wonder john lennon's 1971 hit song, 'woman is the negro of the world' still rocks with young women!! And why was the only woman on panel silent? She will vote republican! How can any rational american allow this venomous sexist comment to be aired with no protest?
Send the moronic bill kristol a copy of bob herbert's n. Y. Times column last week "'politics and misogyny"--and tell the jerk to read it out loud before he gets hit with a class action lawsuit from the women he insulted...or by something more concrete...let's send him the media "woman-hating jerk of the year "award*! How in hell do these hateful, incompetent jerks hold on to their jobs?
*gee, CHRIS MATTHEWS HAS COMPETITION!!
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Pedantry alert.
OK, sure, this is nitpicking, and yes, I know, "a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds" (so, fine, call me small-minded) but seriously, how much research (http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3A...) does it take to spell Mara Liasson correctly?
And, yes, I realize one of the misspellings is quoted from another source. Familiar with the use of of "[sic]"?
You do your credibility no favors with such easily-avoided carelessness.
That is all.
Well, this partly-white woman will say in solidarity with her "full-blooded" sisters, that Kristol can go Cheney himself! ;) And I think I would be saying that in solidarity with other non-white women too, since he ignored that we don't like his ilk either....
When you criticize what someone else says, it is customary to post a link to what you are talking about. If you don't do that, then we think that you are
MAKING IT ALL UP, and the other person DIDN'T REALLY SAY THAT.
If McCain wins he gets his Iran war, if Hillary wins he gets his Iran war. He wants it to come down to Hillary vs. McCain, so he
is baiting women into voting for her.
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