Barrack did what with a broad?!?! The smears begin!

;P

Look at this. Hillary bashes Obama for plagiarism (when in fact he was invited to use Patrick's words), then her "best moment of the night" is a blatant and uncredited (since that's so important) plagiarism of John Edwards? Unbelievable.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VO0p_T1YOkU

Just might be the next president of the United States. I'm so proud of our candidates, both of them. It's a sad time to be a republican.

Obama might just sweep RI, VT, TX, and OH. I think it is game over very soon. Americans are an odd bunch. We don't pay much attention to the occupation of Iraq, but when we think for a few seconds, we seem to realize that Obama gives us a slightly better chance of being out of there by 2012. I think that's driving his win streak.

a black president.

how cool that would be.

robin @ 11:

a black president. how cool that would be.

Very cool. It takes the 'race card' out of many people's hands and affirms the great strides we've made as a country.

That's what is so cool. We have a black man and a woman. The repubs are stuck with an old recycled candidate.

peaceful easy feeling @ 13:

robin @ 11:

a black president. how cool that would be.

Very cool. It takes the 'race card' out of many people's hands and affirms the great strides we've made as a country.

And a way to draw into the political process millions of Americans who otherwise, with justification, would have said just screw it.

Dhalgren @ 12:

And false hopes. That's driving Obama too. I don't think Hillary deserves to be President. But too many people attach their hopes to Obama. In ancient Greece, hope is a sin....for a good reason. Hopes let you down.

Sure, I want to see Obama get bin Laden (what would Coulter do with herself?). That's my hope. So I'm guilty along with all those naiive college students.

Again, they aren't false hopes. What's false about them? It's not like anybody thinks laws will write and pass and enforce themselves. It's not like anybody thinks lobbyists and entrenched interests will just turn into lollipops and unicorns.

Hope has always been an American virtue. Besides, what's the alternative to hope? Despair? Resignation? Apathy?

Hillary's and Obama's positions are largely the same. What makes Hillary's promises more inherently substantive than Obama's? They're both making speeches and promises. But when they get to the White House, they'll both be surrounded by advisors and experts and experienced government types. What exactly are you worried Obama will do -- eat the nuclear football?

This country could use an inspiring and intelligent leader for a change. The idea that somehow he's going to trip over his own feet and accidentally destroy America is just -- well, to use a word from last night, it's silly.

VietVet8666 @ 9:

RueMorgue @ 2:

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/02/21/report_security_relaxed_at_obama_speech/8649/

Now if only we can keep him alive long enough to win the Presidency. :(

Unbelievable security lapse...in DALLAS.

I wonder who made those calls and issued that order.

Xoites at 14

Most skeptical the power structure in this country is going to let the People decide who shall be president.

If I were an evil powerful fuck hiding behind high walls and invisible to the public, I wouldn't be concerned about Obama per se, but I would be concerned about the amazing way he draws ordinary individuals into the political process.

L.A. Confidential @ 21:

VietVet8666 @ 9:

RueMorgue @ 2:

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/02/21/report_security_relaxed_at_obama_speech/8649/

Now if only we can keep him alive long enough to win the Presidency. :(

Unbelievable security lapse...in DALLAS.

I wonder who made those calls and issued that order.

How is the Secret Service structured? Is it in some way organized along party lines, or appointments made by the President?

The SS (lol!) certainly did a good job of scaring the shit out of Obama supporters and making the similarities between he and Kennedy even more implicit in our minds. If something were to happen to him... my God.

RueMorgue @ 25:

L.A. Confidential @ 21:

VietVet8666 @ 9:

RueMorgue @ 2:

Unbelievable security lapse...in DALLAS.

I wonder who made those calls and issued that order.

How is the Secret Service structured? Is it in some way organized along party lines, or appointments made by the President?

The SS (lol!) certainly did a good job of scaring the shit out of Obama supporters and making the similarities between he and Kennedy even more implicit in our minds. If something were to happen to him... my God.

Bhutto's security was lapse before her assassination. Despite requests for more security.

pissed off patricia @ 18:

xoites defends Constitution @ 14:

RueMorgue @ 2:

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/02/21/report_security_relaxed_at_obama_speech/8649/

Now if only we can keep him alive long enough to win the Presidency. :(

This really is a big fucking deal. If this does not generate some serious outrage, if Obama is assasinated this country is going to explode.

I read that yesterday and a chill ran down my spine. Now the word is out that it can happen so all the crazy people know it too. Frightening as hell.

And who was Lieberman in Gore-Lieberman 2000?

The LBJ of JFK-LBJ 1960?

The Corporatist plant just a single magic bullet heartbeat away from the Presidency?

It's pretty fucking funny how selective the 'party of security' is at securing people.

peaceful easy feeling @ 13:

robin @ 11:

a black president. how cool that would be.

Very cool. It takes the 'race card' out of many people's hands and affirms the great strides we've made as a country.

Democrats are presenting a voting for a black man to be president not the 85% white Christian party called the GOP.

Obama's campaign establishes the fact that we've come a long way not that there's not a way's to go before we fully protect numerical minorities in this country.

pissed off patricia @ 5:

Just might be the next president of the United States. I'm so proud of our candidates, both of them. It's a sad time to be a republican.

Sad indeed POP. I was a Republican once, back when they stood for smaller government and lower spending and more States Rights. Those days started to disappear a while back, first with an attempt by the John Birch Society and now with the PNAC and NeoCon ideology they are too close to being fascist and dictatorial.

I'm now an Independent and at this point in time I'm very impressed with Senator Obama, as are almost all of the Ex-Pat community over here. I hope the American people can keep up their numbers against the false-flag people now wearing their pins and quoting scriptures.

VietVet8666 @ 32:

pissed off patricia @ 16:

xoites defends Constitution @ 14:

RueMorgue @ 2:

This really is a big fucking deal. If this does not generate some serious outrage, if Obama is assasinated this country is going to explode.

I read that yesterday and a chill ran down my spine. Now the word is out that it can happen so all the crazy people know it too. Frightening as hell.

If something bad happens, the government will tell us it was all the work of a lone nut. DON'T BELIEVE IT.

Imagine if the internet didn't exist to get this out. Obama would be screwed. And no doubt it would be some lone nut Middle Eastern Guy or "Commie" that did it.

ConcernedCanuck @ 34:

MountainMan23 @ 20:

It wasn't until I read about GW's trip to Tanzania and the questions that were asked at "his" press conference about Obama's success in the Democratic primaries that I realised what a profound effect the election of a Black President would have on the US standing in the world.

PROFOUND.

Last two elections were flawed. So far in candidate selection, there have been serious flaws. Don't count those chickens etc, etc. Or how about this eery forecast?

"With 0% of polls reporting CNN declares McCain President"

Funny you should mention that. Have any of you seen this interview with Gore Vidal about the 2008 elections ... this is some interesting stuff.

vonrking @ 38:

pissed off patricia @ 13:

That's what is so cool. We have a black man and a woman. The repubs are stuck with an old recycled candidate.

Don't forget Richardson.

The top four dem candidates: Black Man, White Woman, White Man, Hispanic Man

The top four republican candidates: White Man, White Man, White Man, White Man

on the Rep side you forgot 2 believe in evolution. 2 don't.
The moron factor.

ConcernedCanuck @ 34:

MountainMan23 @ 20:

It wasn't until I read about GW's trip to Tanzania and the questions that were asked at "his" press conference about Obama's success in the Democratic primaries that I realised what a profound effect the election of a Black President would have on the US standing in the world.

PROFOUND.

Last two elections were flawed. So far in candidate selection, there have been serious flaws. Don't count those chickens etc, etc. Or how about this eery forecast?

"With 0% of polls reporting CNN declares McCain President"

"would have" .. future conditional .. got it?

Or is the future conditional tense not found in Canadian English?

Eric Almighty @ 36:

Dhalgren @ 10:

And false hopes. That's driving Obama too. I don't think Hillary deserves to be President. But too many people attach their hopes to Obama. In ancient Greece, hope is a sin....for a good reason. Hopes let you down.

Sure, I want to see Obama get bin Laden (what would Coulter do with herself?). That's my hope. So I'm guilty along with all those naiive college students.

Remember that hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things.
Keep fighting the good fight.

I can understand how hope alone may not be considered a good thing. But in this case, hope's companions are reason and realism.

MountainMan23 @ 41:

ConcernedCanuck @ 34:

MountainMan23 @ 20:

It wasn't until I read about GW's trip to Tanzania and the questions that were asked at "his" press conference about Obama's success in the Democratic primaries that I realised what a profound effect the election of a Black President would have on the US standing in the world.

PROFOUND.

Last two elections were flawed. So far in candidate selection, there have been serious flaws. Don't count those chickens etc, etc. Or how about this eery forecast?

"With 0% of polls reporting CNN declares McCain President"

"would have" .. future conditional .. got it?

Or is the future conditional tense not found in Canadian English?

Would have on was your sentence, suggesting that he IS or will win. I am merely pointing out the chances of election "problems" as has been evidence and well documented for quite some time.

I really love Obama's people-centered approach. I think people forget that the golden era of progressive reform was driven by popular people-powered movements (labor, suffrage, civil rights, etc.).

Every year I have been waiting for people to grow tired of the Walmart approach to government. We have outsourced political action for too long. We have let our political voice be processed, packaged, and mass-marketed. We have tried to roll back the real costs of change, by replacing human effort and will with self-serving lobbyists.

In a way, Hillary's strategists are right: White working class voters may very well be creeped out by Obama's approach. But this is not because it is inherently creepy. This is because powerful corporate interests have been attacking the working class for decades, convincing them that organized labor is "creepy," that passion is suspect, and that any approach to daily life that does not involve sitting in front of the TV is strange and subversive. She is pandering to the very same sensibilities that have stripped them of security, dignity, and ultimately their livelihood.

But I am confident that people will rediscover what a great thing it is to organize, how wonderful it is when we stick up for each other, and what we can win if we all cooperate.

I don't want a president who looks out for me. I want an entire nation that looks out for each other. And this is the key difference. We the people make the president. We the people make the government. We the people make our lives safer, better, and happier. And I am all for any politician who believes that it is OK for me to organize and agitate on the behalf of my fellow citizens. There is nothing creepy about that.

So if Obama won a primary of Democrats abroad does that mean he has "broad appeal"?

That's 10 down only four to go!

pissed off patricia @ 16:

xoites defends Constitution @ 14:

RueMorgue @ 2:

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/02/21/report_security_relaxed_at_obama_speech/8649/

Now if only we can keep him alive long enough to win the Presidency. :(

This really is a big fucking deal. If this does not generate some serious outrage, if Obama is assasinated this country is going to explode.

I read that yesterday and a chill ran down my spine. Now the word is out that it can happen so all the crazy people know it too. Frightening as hell.

I wonder why this is in the Moonie UPI? You think they might want to draw attention to it?

natisman @ 48:

Spock @ 24:

Regarding Hillary's integrity, least we forget the Vince Foster saga.

So tell us more. You ain't got horse pucky!

I say we investigate this again. Let's spend 40 million dollars and hire a tobacco lawyer to see if he can find anything...

This guy is getting creepy.

I prefer to follow a philosophy and not a prophet.

If Americans overseas can vote via the Internet and email why can't Americans, in America?

The best method would be for all Americans to vote via paper ballot, the way they do in Oregon. This, of course, would make things too simple. In Oregon, paper ballots are sent to voters via US mail in plenty of time to learn about the issues and candidates. No disruption of schools, churches, etc. for use as polling locations; no need to pay to transport the elderly and home-bound to polling locations; no slogging through inclement weather; no rigged Diebolt voting machines.

Paper ballots - wow, what a concept!

Herbert @ 57:

This guy is getting creepy.

I prefer to follow a philosophy and not a prophet.

How about a profitable philosopher?

diamondmc @ 58:

BigTobacco @ 47:

I really love Obama's people-centered approach. I think people forget that the golden era of progressive reform was driven by popular people-powered movements (labor, suffrage, civil rights, etc.).

Every year I have been waiting for people to grow tired of the Walmart approach to government. We have outsourced political action for too long. We have let our political voice be processed, packaged, and mass-marketed. We have tried to roll back the real costs of change, by replacing human effort and will with self-serving lobbyists.

In a way, Hillary's strategists are right: White working class voters may very well be creeped out by Obama's approach. But this is not because it is inherently creepy. This is because powerful corporate interests have been attacking the working class for decades, convincing them that organized labor is "creepy," that passion is suspect, and that any approach to daily life that does not involve sitting in front of the TV is strange and subversive. She is pandering to the very same sensibilities that have stripped them of security, dignity, and ultimately their livelihood.

But I am confident that people will rediscover what a great thing it is to organize, how wonderful it is when we stick up for each other, and what we can win if we all cooperate.

I don't want a president who looks out for me. I want an entire nation that looks out for each other. And this is the key difference. We the people make the president. We the people make the government. We the people make our lives safer, better, and happier. And I am all for any politician who believes that it is OK for me to organize and agitate on the behalf of my fellow citizens. There is nothing creepy about that.

Wow! What a great post. Being a person who is a Nam Vet and spent 3 years in VVAW working to end that war, this has been great to see people fired up again. I worry about the left and progressive's splitting into special intrest groups and falling apart, like years gone by. I heard this morning that Nader will be on one of the Sunday morning news show. Word is he is going to run. I hope the left and progressive's don't fall for this bullshit again. Four years of McCain and the repugs in control, will be just to much.

Thanks, brother. I just hope that other people will see what we the people can do when we put our minds to it. Each and every person needs to turn off their damned tvs, go outside, look long and hard at our neighborhoods, and get to know our neighbors. I live in Michigan and was hanging out at a UAW hall the other day.... and this place was a real community center... athletic facilites, performance space, meeting rooms, a reading room, etc. It was once the scene of a thriving community committed to mutual support. But now it is falling apart, the building unused, the athletic facilities in disrepair. It really says something about what we had and what we gave up when we handed control of our daily lives over to corporate control.

But we need leaders who can inspire people to pick themselves up, and who will support us every step of the way. We need to be reminded that it is perfectly OK for you to put your foot down when you see someone treat your neighbor unjustly. Right now, when they see their buddies get laid off, their neighbors kids going off to war, their friends getting sick and going bankrupt, and some stranger getting tazered by the police...people just turn up their TVs and lock their doors and hope to hell it doesn't happen to them.

Which is why I like Obama's record as a street-level organizer and activist. He has seen firsthand what people can do when they are inspired to take charge of their situation and take care of each other. I'm sick of "pragmatic" technocrats compromising my rights with billionaires on my behalf.

But at the same time, I think people who have never really fought for the good of their community are scared of this kind of political engagement. And it is hard to blame them, because the GOP has disparaged this kind of political engagement for so long that now even democrats think that unions are creepy.

Jackie @ 60:

I can see it now if Senator Obama is elected President he will give an up lifting speech of Hope and Change while Americans are on line for Government Cheese. As he continues to speech his way to votes with no plan or experience Americans will soon realize even the best speech isn't action. We followed the Republicans words of God and Bush got in twice.
Only to find out they were just words not the actions. Here we go again. Some have praised the Obama speeches while if Americans remember if they choose to read. Abe Lincoln and Martin Luther King gave the greatest speeches of all time yet it wasn't from written words it came from their hearts. The earth moved with Dr. King's I have a dream speech, Obama like most users is speaking for votes. Again the American people will soon see if Obama is elected we made the wrong choice again, but no one can blame the Republicans for fixing the election. This time it would be for the stupidity of all Americans who didn't ask what plan of chance but followed two words Hope and Change.</blockqu

If you still think he has no plan or substance then that is your own ignorant fault!

Why do you think he is beating her by LANDSLIDES!

To start a movement you have to unite LARGE GROUPS which is why his detractors HATE him NOT BECAUSE of his lack of specifics...reminds me of the "because they hate freedom arguement".

Instead of posting empty words, YOU do some research on his specifics because YOU are in the shrinking minority who thinks Obama has no specifics and his supporters are star struck and foolish.

Oh and don't tell any of US to tell you his accomplishments we already KNOW them!

DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH! Then start telling the truth. WE DID!

THATS RIGHT ***15,000,000*** POOR PEOPLE WILL HAVE THERE WAGES GARNISHED SO AS NOT TO “LEAVE THEM BEHIND”

An Obama/Clinton ticket wouldn't be a dream ticket, it would be a nightmare ticket. Keeping Clintons and Bushes alike out of the White House forevermore is as important and elementary as bringing in the Orkin man to spray the Oval Office for pests.

OBAMA / EDWARDS '08

Clavis @ 3:

Look at this. Hillary bashes Obama for plagiarism (when in fact he was invited to use Patrick's words), then her "best moment of the night" is a blatant and uncredited (since that's so important) plagiarism of John Edwards? Unbelievable.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VO0p_T1YOkU

These two links came from ConcernedCanuck /diff thread

She must have XEROXED ??!

Hillary Clinton Borrows Edwards Finishing Line in Austin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAYItnI-lPo

Hillary Channels Bill in Austin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ7Cs3QvT3U

what a FRAUD - she is disgusting beyond any comment, full of it ..

Saint Jack @ 67:

An Obama/Clinton ticket wouldn't be a dream ticket, it would be a nightmare ticket. Keeping Clintons and Bushes alike out of the White House forevermore is as important and elementary as bringing in the Orkin man to spray the Oval Office for pests.

OBAMA / EDWARDS '08

Wishfull thinking. For Obama this has to be a coalition type ticket for it to win. Obama needs someone like Webb to bring along the blue collar dems and all the middle of the road dems. For us on the left, we are going to have to build coalitions with middle of the road dems if we want to win. If we don't, we will have more war, torture, spying and loss of our human rights.

diamondmc @ 71:

Saint Jack @ 67:

An Obama/Clinton ticket wouldn't be a dream ticket, it would be a nightmare ticket. Keeping Clintons and Bushes alike out of the White House forevermore is as important and elementary as bringing in the Orkin man to spray the Oval Office for pests.

OBAMA / EDWARDS '08

Wishfull thinking. For Obama this has to be a coalition type ticket for it to win. Obama needs someone like Webb to bring along the blue collar dems and all the middle of the road dems. For us on the left, we are going to have to build coalitions with middle of the road dems if we want to win. If we don't, we will have more war, torture, spying and loss of our human rights.

Obama is a centrist or a moderate conservative on a bad day, he is no where near a leftist political spectrum. Putting someone like Webb on the ticket, would mean that people like us in the left are stuck with having to vote for yet another centrist/moderate conservative ticket.

The left has had to compromise for decades with these mythical "middle of the road" Americans, which by now it really means "moderate conservatives."

I am about done having to compromise, I think it is time for true leftist/liberals to start requesting these "middle of the road" peeps to start working with US and compromise some of their positions and not the other way around. Because, honestly, every time conservabots get their chance at power... they fuck things beyond recognition.

So it is time for these mythical moderates to act like moderates and start cooperating with progressive people in order to move this country forward. Centrist ideals are about compromise, yet it is only whatever reminds of the left in this country the ones doing all the compromisin' for the past few decades. Heck, nowadays the right has framed words such as "liberal" and "socialist" as being down there with rapist and murderer.

So enough of this shit I say, all this compromising has left us with the current clustefuck.

So what is Obama xeroxing today?

robin @ 9:

a black president.

how cool that would be.

A slight correction. Time to start saying...

How cool that WILL be.

I wish Barack all the luck in the world. I hope he succeeds. I don't trust Hillary or McCain. I also pray for his safety, some people (nuts, neanderthals, Rethugs) will start to get desparate.

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