Countdown: Maddow Calls Out Media For Obama Patriotism Smears
By Logan Murphy Monday Feb 25, 2008 8:15am
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C&L has covered the media's shameless smears of Senator Barack Obama's patriotism and Monday on Countdown, Keith Olbermann talks with Air America Radio's Rachel Maddow about how quickly the MSM has picked up on "the dirtiest stuff of the far reaches of right wing media" and shamelessly ran with it, treating it as legitimate news.
Maddow gets it right, just because someone makes a nasty claim about a candidate doesn't make it newsworthy, but apparently the media doesn't get that. We'll continue to call them out on it all the way through November.
On a related note, check out this image search of John McCain -- how many lapel flag pins do you see? (h/t Jamie) TRex has a perfect example of one GOP Senator who never leaves home without his pin...
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The Media needs to call Obama out
But on his issues and stands.
I'm afraid he's another Liebermann.
If picking nitts such as "lack of patriotism" is the best that they can throw at Obama he has it made.
They should call out the media on the anti-Hillary BS, as well. This is where Maddow and Olbermannn show their bias. Matthews, Scarborough, Tucker and Olbermann have slobbered over Obama and assassinated the Clintons' character and now they want to call out the media?????Too late, Maddow!
And don't forget, in the ROTC, you can't wear ANY pins...
http://tinyurl.com/2kt9kn
And on the subject of Obama' s "Somali dress," Hillary Has Her Own 'Traditional Dress' Problem: The Empress 'Got No Clothes'
Don Davis @ 5:
Wrong link; here it is: http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=1530
The Media Gets It. Don't kid yourself.
Neither link is worth reading, sorry.
Give the debate process back to the League of Women Voters and have them schedule 10 standard debates and let the candidates challenge each other before the eyes of American voters. The Corporate/MSM format is worthless (2000,2004).
Patriotism must be pretty cheap for the Republicans now, if it can be bought by wearing a lapel pin.
Maybe that's what's wrong with their party on a lot of issues: external symbolism instead of internal soundness.
that uber-patriot, now federal prisoner, duke cunningham, was always pinned with the red, white and blue on his lapel. that didn't stop him from accepting bribes and whores as compensation from his k street pals.
If it's something you already know, then it's propaganda or dogma, not information.
Ummmm.......the media is owned by the corporate right - - remember? if there is a bomb to drop on a Dem, of course it will be discussed everywhere.
Radically Moderate @ 9:
I completely agree with you. This is too serious a matter to be left to bs artist.
The "media" has become more akin to the National Inquirer than actual news organizations.
The media, the 4th estate if you will, has failed us miserably for the past 8 years. It is their job to vett the candidates, not about BS flag pins, but about issues and where the candidates stand on them. There is nothing but yellow journalism coming out of MSNBC. Chris Matthews has made a habit of making his "big number" a free jab at Hillary. Last night - 28 (28 days since Bill Clinton made his remark about Jesse Jackson winning in SC twice) My big number - zero - the number of true unbiased journalists at MSNBC.
One of the reasons I refuse to pay for the teevee is so I do not feel as if I am subsidizing CNN and Fox and the rest of the noise. (The other reason is that I am a cheap bastard.) That is why I am "grateful" for C&L. I even donated 50 bucks last year with my cheap ass (where's my book?). Look for another round of media consolidation by the corporate honks next year with the whole switch to digital teevee. There is something perverse inthe fact that Bill Hicks is gone, and American Gladiators is back.
Just to be the devil's advocate about McCain (I would never vote for him), he was in the Vietnam War and was a prisoner of war. Most of the Repugs who wear their flags never even wore a uniform and went AWOL. The media is really stretching with the flag issue. The flags never grew on their lapels until 9/11. Then the flag became a symbol of antiterrorism or possibly prowar profiteering.
"Patriotism - the last refuge for scoundrels." - Samuel Johnson in 1775.
Arizona @ 10:
Agreed. Republican patriotism in all of its forms is extremely cheap because they have never had to pay for it. Its always come at someone elses expense. Even the word "hero" is thrown around by the Republicans so often that its lost all of its true meaning. The way I see it, patriotism today has become a mask which is they use to hide their own cowardice. The more lapel pins, flags, and yellow stickers they put on their vehicles, the more cowardly that person tends to be.
These criticisms are pretty sad. Obama's patriotism (a career in service and politics) seems pretty obvious to me, but it hasn't stopped these ridiculous attacks. I wrote and article about unfair bashing a few weeks ago. This will only get worse as we enter the general election.
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Arizona @ 10:
The American Flag Lapel pin worn by those not in the Secret Service isn't a sign of patriotism, it's sign of those who hide behind America.
It's like those baboons with their yellow ribbons on their vehicles or the even bigger clowns who wave an American flag from their vehicle.
It says, "Look at me, I'm Red, White and Blue!"
The problem with that is these baboons from the NFL announcers to the geriatric crack heads going to church, to the fire pukes on their fire trucks, is that you are doing this in the safety of America in the midst of your fellow Americans.
These clowns no less about being a true American than those who don't use the flag to hide behind. All the flag wavers are doing is trying to claim they are MORE patriotic than everyone else.
There is a two front war going on, join the military.
There are tens of thousands of wounded Americans, donate blood.
There is a losing war in Iraq for the USA killing Americans everyday, get them out of there. It is for nill.
There are ways to prove your patriotism by waving the America flag in the USA, sporting ribbons, and wearing pins does nothing but show how little those doing these things will go to support their country.
I bet they all cheat on their taxes, too.
I have donated 45 gallons of blood plasma at the detriment to my own health from the strain this puts on the human body.
Why? Because the flag waving, lapel pin wearing, yellow ribbon gangsters claiming to be the most patriotic Americans don't.
What have you done for you country, lately, besides hide behind the flag, or beat your breast about your past military service?
We are in a war of survival and to the politicians, fire pukes, and flag wavers are taking advantage of it all like America's survival and the lives of its citizens mean nothing.
I hear George W. Bush is planning to go into exile in Paraguay when America falls.
The US Congress will probably all fly off to Europe or South America with him.
What have you done for your country, lately? How about at all?
The best thing about cable tv are the C-span channels. Do you realize how much we would miss without them? C-span and the internet are just about our last hope of knowing what is really going on in our world.
I have an AIDS pin that wear often due to that horrible disease taking three of my friends' lives. So if I see people not wearing that same pin does that mean they do not support the effort to prevent and cure AIDS? Of course not.
It's clear that Republicans believe that patriotism is wearing flag lapel pins, flying a tattered flag from your pickup window, flying a flag in front of your home, wearing flag t-shirts and baseball caps etc etc and using the Constitution to wipe their collective a**.
"I think I understand what patriotism is; to be killed on the field of battle and have your name misspelled in the newspapers."
General William Tecumseh Sherman
Too bad no one on the Left is calling the media out for the myriad smears against Hillary Clinton. People will get what they've paid for.
grand Marnier @ 3:
Totally agree. I will never watch or listen to Olbermann again. He's no Edward R. Murrow.
There are about 3 journalists left in this country. The rest are gossip mongers, advertising and marketing people who think they're reporters.
Thanks GOP
Jusker @ 23:
That definately is clear as you stated. The way I see it, Maddow and Olbermann, C&L and all the rest of us are doing the most patriotic and dangerous thing possible. We are trying to take down and hold the criminal Bush regime accountable for its actions. We are doing what the right wingers fear to do. They would rather bend over backwards or put on a lapel pin than to face the Bush regime.
In some ways, we are doing what the Colonists did during the Revolutionary War. They to took a stand against the very Imperial Government that ruled over them at that time and they didn't need flag lapel pins or stickers to do it either. This is true patriotism. Anyone can look the other way and put on a flag lapel pin when their Government commits crimes. We have seen it time and time again throughout history. Its the true patriot in my opinion that is willing to stand up to that Government when needed and all the while knowing full well that they may pay a very heavy price for it in the end.
What are the MSM gonna call Obama out on next?
His boxer's smear?
After serving in the Air Force for four years, voting and giving blood for the last 30 years,
all I had to do was wear a cheap hunk of junk from China on my lapel?
Whodathunkit?
have mercy, a dem candidate not immediately rolling and curling up into the fetal position because repubes have pick on him. you have to like seeing this long overdue reaction.
Republicans = Lapel Pin Patriots
BTW, I thought the standard media script was that Obama was being fawned over by the media and given a "free pass"?
ysbaddaden @ 30:
I thought the same thing with my four years in the Marines and several other years working as a Federal Civilian Employee. If patriotism was that simple and that cheap to do I sure did go down the wrong road. From the right wingers point of view, I could have just tattooed USMC on my forearm and saved the time by never having served. To them, that is patriotism I guess. Funny though, when I talk to a right winger and I look at the USMC on my arm it starts to turn into SPQR.
kaT @ 25:
You just make that up off the top of your head?
You must have.
I have a strong feeling we haven't seen Obama in full stride yet, simply because he really hasn't needed to be. His style of relating to smears is really classy, strongly responsive but not stooping to tedious small-mindedness. I agree that if John Kerry had responded similarly to the Swiftboaters, we'd have a different president right now. So far, Obama's primary "battles" have been with the Clinton camp, and that's where his classiness shines. She is, after all, a fellow-Democrat, and no matter how intense the campaigning of each against the other, he stays cool for the most part.
If he wins the nomination, I think we'll see a candidate who creams John McCain. His legal expertise and style seem to come in handy -- he usually responds to smears on the basis of issues, not underhanded retaliatory smears -- that's more the style of rip-'em-apart low-life attorneys. So if he wins the nomination and continues to campaign with the same character he has to date while continuing to appeal to humanity's reasonable hopes for participatory government, he can be nothing but a formidable candidate against John McCain. The best thing McCain's camp can think of to beat Obama is to appeal to the racism of Americans? It might work under different circumstances, at a different time, but given GW's devastation of America, I don't think voters are very concerned about a candidate's race (or sex). Voters want to know that THEY count, their concerns are heard and addressed, and they want all vestiges of GW's agenda erased. They'll vote for whoever they believe will help achieve these goals.
The repugs are squirming... I love it! Yes, kick them while there down.
The funniest thing is most of the time these assholes complain about somebody not wearing a stupid lapel pin, the people doing the complaining are not wearing a pin and the people they are backing are not wearing a pin. The good thing is that when they are stooping to this type of argument you know they have nothing.
When is MSNBC going to get rid of Tucker and put on Maddow anyway. They have been grooming her long enough. Just buy out Tucker’s contract and give her the show. In fact move Tweety to Tucker’s spot and let Rachel have Tweety’s two spots.
Maddow might be worth listening to if she was equally concerned when Hillary Clinton is smeared. As would Olbermann. Once they decided that it only counts when their candidate takes a hit I quit listening to both of them. Too bad really, I once thought they were both people of integrity. MY BAD!
Did Chris Dodd wear a lapel pin? (That question now makes this note on topic, right?)
I just got an email from Chris Dodd stating he's supporting Obama for president. Here's the email in full:
Dear [BabushkaBlue],
We have been through a lot in this past year and your friendship and support have meant so much to me. That is why I wanted to let you know of my decision to endorse a Democratic candidate for President - and that I have decided to support Barack Obama.
We all understand how much is at stake in this election and that it is more important than ever that we put a Democrat in the White House.
And while both of our Party's remaining candidates are extremely talented and would make excellent commanders-in-chief, I am throwing my support to the candidate who I believe will open the most eyes to our shared Democratic vision.
I'm deeply proud to be the first 2008 Democratic presidential candidate to endorse Barack Obama. He is ready to be President. And I am ready to support him - to work with him and for him and help elect him our 44th President.
Put simply, I believe Barack Obama is uniquely qualified to help us face this housing crisis, create good jobs, strengthen America's families in this 21st century global economy, unite the world against terrorism and end the war in Iraq - and perhaps most importantly, call the American people to shared service and sacrifice. In this campaign, he has drawn millions of voters into politics for the first time in their lives and shown us that we are united by so much more than that which divides us.
That is why I believe the time has come for Democrats to come together as a Party and focus on winning the general election. The stakes are too high not to.
The last seven years have been as difficult as any I can remember. More than ever, we need a President who will inspire us to take part in the political process and change our country's path.
Today, when we need it most, we are hearing a new call from Barack Obama. And I hope you, like me, will answer it in the affirmative.
Please get involved in Barack Obama's campaign now: http://action.barackobama.com/doddsupporters
Sincerely,
Chris Dodd
Paid for by Chris Dodd for President, Inc., PO Box 51882, Washington, DC 20091, Info@ChrisDodd.com
To stop receiving email from Dodd for President, Inc., visit http://ChrisDodd.com/de-list
at the start, keith says washington wasnt even born in the u.s ?
huh ?
kenoshaMarge @ 39:
I think both Keith and Rachael have integrity to spare, but I can understand your frustration. MSNBC's own f-ing commercial for tonight's debate reads "his words vs her voice."
Her voice? Excuse the hell out of me major news organization?
A nonstop parade of insults.
We don,t need to smear his unpatriotic acts. He's is not an american to begin with. He shouldnt be in office. All the pretty talk don't impress alot of folks. And his actions as senator show its all about moving up. And pressing his own hidden agenda.
His supporters are blind and dumb to this man.
LOLROFL @ 40:
Born 1732, before Independence and a Ratified Constitution, so before United States.
It took me a minute too, but Olberman is unusually fastidious for a cable news man.
L.A. Confidential @ 7:
You're absolutely right about that! And they're playing it for all it's worth. Unfortunately not one of those players is worth much... but the scandals!! Oh don't we all just love them. Wake up... they take our focus off what's really going on. Time to arm ourselves with knowledge... you know where to get that and it's not in the main stream media!
Marco @ 41:
I don't see it that way. Hillary keeps downplaying the veracity of his words and lest we forget her "touching" moment in New Hampshire when she finally found her voice...
That phrase came right out of her own playbook so I don't see how this is an insult.
We don't have a media, we have propaganda.
Media died about ten years ago.
The definition of patriotism is love or devotion to one's country. The problem is that the GOP takes a leaf from despots—who refer to themselves as "we" since the despot and the coutnry are one and the same—and assumes that the GOP is the country and therefore patriotism requires love or devotion to the GOP.
Clipped from the post: "Maddow gets it right, just because someone makes a nasty claim about a candidate doesn’t make it newsworthy."
Interesting double standard...Matt Drudge made a nasty claim that the Clinton campaign was trying to smear Obama with the photo of him in Kenya. The media picked up on the story and for a full news cycle we were treated to full-volume manufactured outrage at the shocking tactics employed by those mean Clintons. All of this based on an assertion of that paragon of accuracy and fairness, Matt Drudge. I'll stand by now and wait while we hear the progressives come to Senator Clinton's defense, pointing out that there's no evidence this photo came from her campaign. What's that I hear? [crickets...]
kenoshaMarge @ 39:
You must not watch Keith very much, he has been taking on all smear mongers.
Hilllary Clinton is a political smear machine, and she, through how much she acts like a Republican stategist sometimes, prepared Barack Obama for what will undoubtedly be one of the dirtiest elections in the recent history of Presidential politics, and that really is saying something. But yeah, Roger Stone. Good, you got an opinion from a guy who threatens old men, good job! Seriously, what happened? Did they realize Obama could win, and then went, 'oh, oh, he might mean what he's saying'?
Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow are the two best commentators on TV - and the only ones for which I bother turning on my TV. Otherwise, I get my news and comments from the internet, and from progressive radio (960AM in the Bay Area), where Rachel is one of the best hosts.
No, but seriously, it's good to know when Republicans said they'd like a debate on the issues, that they were lying. For a second there, I had found them to be agreeable, loveable even, individuals. I was reading all the right wing sites and stuff, and they seemed truly hopeful. Good job, RNC, of erasing that hope.
anney @ 35:
Too bad you don't aspire to much. You call Obama crying foul every damn day against Hillary classy? He has acted like nothing less than a big baby....gets up, passes around the kool-aid and people swoon over him like mindless robots. Sorry, but I need more than that in a candidate.
AND, Obama is exactly the kind of candidate GWB was; a fast food politician. Have you checked Obama's record in the senate? Not much to see, but he likes it that way so his mindless followers can't fault him for anything (except maybe doing nothing; if they really looked). If he makes it to the presidency, look for Tony Rezko as his Secretary of HUD.
No, no, but seriously now, does God in heaven wear a flag lapel pin? I know, I know he loves and has blessed this country, but the flag lapel pin, does he wear it, cause if he doesn't, that could be a deal-breaker...
I'm an ex-Republican and I quit wearing the frigging flag pin around the time of my epiphany. Every flag flying in a yard in front of a house as I drive down residential streets curdles my blood (although flags waving in front of banks and such are still lovely). The flag has been appropriated as a symbol of support for the War Criminal in Chief and his illegal ongoing war-for-profit in the conquered nation of Iraq. I will not vote for any candidate I see wearing a flag pin on his/her lapel. How's THAT for focusing on a symbol? I mean every word. It goes both ways, repukes. You've stolen the flag, made a Republican Party flag. I resent you even more for that.
Mike (Seattle) @ 48:
You are spot on!!
And to top it all off, that fat ass Tim Russert goes on tv and perpetuates the notion that the clinton machine posted this picture of Obama and says she has wasted a day trying to make her case. I cannot believe people still listen to this gasbag.
No matter, Obama just has to say "Hillary has been mean to me" and all his mindless followers get their panties in a bunch and start the namecalling. It's easy because they never require having to know what is true and what is not.
Ask any media personality, journalist, or tv talking head and you will get the same answer. This Clinton campaign, has from the very start, treated the media with disdain, arrogance and ignorance just like a former Clinton campaign. It isn't hard for the media to start showing a bias if your staff treat them like shit and talk down to them. It is similar to the Bush Regime's arrogance towards reporters that dare to question them. When that happens, the media tends to treat you the same way, whether right or wrong. If you or I repeatedly requested an interview, or asked political questions and were treated like that, would we print all positive rosy accolades? Nope.
Mike (Seattle) @ 48:
Bring your lunch. I don't know any real progressives who support Clinton.
The tellling moment last night on Keith O's program....was the SNL's clip of the debate...with the guys and Campbell fawning all over Obama and Campbell tearing into Hillary for interupting OBAMA GIRL.......oh wait Keith did not play that part...the best part...he played a later bit and acted like it was not that funny....MY POINT IS THIS...He and Rachael did not recognize themselves in this paradoy....granted it was a cnn debate...but if you remember back a few debates ago....when Keith and Chris M were having man crushes over Obama when they interviewed him after the debate...it embarressed me for them.....I am going to miss Keith...but he is blind to himself as is the rest of gang......Dan Abrams from time to time holds some hope of fairness........but he is a lightweight...........without the internet and PBS....and NPR....I would just give up hope.......I have been watching this shit for many years and I have never seen it as blatant and I have never screamed so much at the TV.........Obama is green and thin to me......not so bad........just not a powerhouse.........his fan club though...sees a different fellow.........BABYJESUS..................well I will vote for him if I have no choice....but I hope the powerful and smart Sen. from New York will work in the Senate to say his ass and the rest of us......................
PssttCmere @ 56:
Did you both notice that Obama didn't do that? He said it was part of the right wing smear machine, never mentioning Hillary or her supporters. Oh,and the next time you want to bitch and moan about name calling by Obama supporters, try looking in the mirror and finding all the cult and Obamoron references being slung around, as well as the implication that people who support Obama are mindless. Now that is hipocracy right there.
The Clinton campaign admits to posting the picture. They're explanation was that Hillary has appeared in various tribal garb repeatedly over her career, so what is the big deal.
They knew exactly what they were doing.
ysbaddaden @ 1:
Your absolutely baseless statement is a prime example of the bullshit Obama will have to cut through this fall. Hillary does have a point on the bias MSM coverage on her compared to Obama, but to just throw shit on the wall hoping some of it will stick is dumb. Lieberman is a proven traitor, has Obama stabbed the Dems in the back?
Liberal AND Proud @ 61:
Exactly. And it is quite obvious that Obama was stating the "rightwing smear machine" was in fact including Hillary. And it is. I hope after the last week of watching this fiasco, that at the debate, Hillary melts down. Nail meet coffin. Enough of this crap. Save the dirt for the Republicans.
Curmudgeon Boy @ 18:
and an excellent reminder for all of us. Thanks!!
The most fascinating part of this video exchange between KO and Rachel, has to be the polling by the GOP to see if they can go all out Confederate Flag on this campaign.
Racism pure and raw!
What the hell is going on with this country!?!
Wake the fuck up people... voice your opinion...
Obama can play "QUATERBACK" on my team any day...
Back to the Ghost Dance
Lapel Pin Patridiots.
Liberal AND Proud @ 61:
What's your source?
By the way...
I just can.t bring myself to vote for another Clinton, as much as I would dearly love to vote for a woman for POTUS.
Hillary's latest hillarious robocall in Ohio.
Here is the script of the robocall:
Not only is the media painting Obama as less than patrotic. The Hillary Clinton campaign is doing its best impression of the republican smear machine with their "Obama in Islamic garb" pictures. The media and Hillary should be ashamed of themselves.
Concerned Canuck
"NAFTA has hurt Ohio families and I have a plan to fix it. My opponent does not. I’ll appoint a Trade Prosecutor to enforce our trade agreements, and crackdown on China’s unfair trade practices. I’ll eliminate tax breaks for companies that ship our jobs overseas, and invest in creating good jobs right here in Ohio. "
I was for NAFTA before I was against it. Now I am against it and it wrong of Senator Obama to point out that I was for it before because now I am against it.
That about right?
J>S> @ 70:
Oh, my my my...."smears" in American politics?? I'm shocked.
Look, its only a "smear" if its your guy/gal getting hit.
The whiners on both sides need to grow a spine.
Fanon @ 71:
Yep...and so is this....
Shorter B.O.: "I was against "Peru FT" before I was against it....Too bad I can't vote "present"....that would be nice. So while I do support it...I just won't show up".
Come on, we know these two frauds are both free traders.
So how bout cutting the rebop? Ok?
Arizona @ 10:
good point.
You wont find a single lapel bin on ANY Republan prior to 9-11. I suppose honoring the country, the flag and all those who died defending them was not a high priority for them.
Johnny
rebop? I was responding to a specific post. Besides, since when are you all even handed? They're both frauds now, and there are whiners on both sides?
Who are you and what have you done with Johnny2much?
Responding to krisken#60: "Did you both notice that Obama didn’t do that? He said it was part of the right wing smear machine, never mentioning Hillary or her supporters. Oh,and the next time you want to bitch and moan about name calling by Obama supporters, try looking in the mirror and finding all the cult and Obamoron references being slung around, as well as the implication that people who support Obama are mindless. Now that is hipocracy right there."
I never suggested that the Obama campaign was behind the faux-controversy; I was complaining about the media's actions.
Responding to rickinsf#58: "Bring your lunch. I don’t know any real progressives who support Clinton."
This is exactly my point. These so-called progressives, with their naive insistence on ideological purity, are the reason that we have GWB in the White House. They supported Nader in 2004 because they wanted to "send a message", and refuse to ever vote for Clinton because she doesn't line up with everything they could ever want in a candidate. Frankly, they just look like a blue version of the people on the right who will never support McCain because he isn't conservative enough.
Apparently, there has finally been a physical FIGHT over who should be the Democratic nominee, Obama or Clinton, with BLOODSHED. One guy stabbed another guy over it. But the funny part is, one of them was a REPUKE. I wonder who the REPUKE wanted for Democratic nominee? I wonder which one was the stabber: the repuke, or the democrat? I wonder which one was the Clinton supporter, the repuke, or the democrat? Weird story! Haven't heard any more about it...
I'm beginning to wonder and worry about us, though. Is THIS how they feel about each other in the Balkans? (I'm being preachy, I know, when I am just as bad as anybody...)
Mike@76
I won't vote for her (Hillary) because her husband deflects all questions addressed to him in regards to Building 7...
She's litererally in bed (?) with the man!
Now try to tell me that there was a complete investigation done around the destruction of building 7, just as Clinton insists...
If you profess that this is so (investigation into building 7) then I will know that you are not using your Conceptual Continuity, or your research skills to their full capacity.
In other words you are living a lie!
Is it true that Michelle Obama sits on the Foreign Relations Council?
By the way, I'm still pissed about the S&L bailout...
I have an unforgiving memory... but a Greatly Forgiving Heart
Back to the Ghost Dance
Carly Corday @ 77
Clintonite Stabs Obama Supporter
You can read the police report
I do an informal flag pin poll. Each time a repub legislator appears with a flag pin; I go the his/her website and see if they list any military service. You won't be suprised by the results. I have found one with service. Neither my state representative, state senator, US representative nor US senators have ever served in the military but they all wear a flag pin. So much for the super patriots. By the way I thought it was against flag etiquitte to wear the flag as jewelry.
krisken @ 61:
Uh, the Obama campaign most certainly did take Drudge's word for it and blame Clinton
Hmmm. Where is Rachel each day that this and worse happens to Clinton?
H1022@81
I am not surprised at the discoveries that you're informal research produced;
And unlike these "chicken hawks" that give lip service to the (life altering) sacfirfices that are made by individuals for The Constitution (and The Bill of Rights) of our country,
Some of us are (were) truely not affraid to die for our country...
So take your lapel pin and commit Hari Kari with it, or shut the "F" up until you have actually placed your life on the line for this country!
Back to the Ghost Dance
I have to agree with Maddow, "We laugh now, but watch it happen."
Damn right, Rachael. The "jokes" about ignorant black savages are coming out already, as the blogs are showing.
I predict that very soon we will be hearing jungle sound effects, Tarzan clips and Middle Eastern music on reichwing radio as lead in to stories about Obama. Can you imagine Michael "Savage" Wiener resisting this base impulse? The best part is, it will backfire so thoroughly that by November, even their own listeners will be disgusted.
Most of these flag waving zealots have supported policies which has undermined our standing in the world, weakened our military with the disastrous occupation Iraq and has driven the national deficit through the roof. If this is “patriotism” then love is hate and freedom is slavery.
Maddow needs her own show. She is the smartest person on TV. And apparently she doesn't own one!!!!
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LOLROFL @ 41:
Well - in 1732, technically it was a British colony (of Virginia). The USA didn't exist yet. But, I'm not sure that's what Olberman meant anyways. ;)
Does anyone know if those lapel pins are made in China?
H1022 @ 81:
An especially edifying post (though most here are!), THANK YOU. This is a subject that needs to be talked about CONSTANTLY.
lennox@89
Well... if your not sure that that is what KO meant, then let me clear it up for you.
THE USA DID NOT EXIST AT THE TIME THAT GEORGE WASHINGTON WAS BORN TO THIS WORLD AND TEMPORAL PLANE !!!
HE WAS NOT BORN IN THE USA, YOU KNOW (!?!) LIKE BRUCE WAS!
Pilot@88
WTF?
I could agree with your statement, with the exception of KO; who seems to be doing the vacated "job" of most MSM journalists.
It's not just KO, but the team of people that surround him, as well.
Plus, he "sells alot of soap"!
Back to the Ghost Dance
Michelle "ghetto" Obama set her husband up for the questioning of his patriotism after her stupid comments.
Just another dumb ploy from Rove and Co.
“I wore my flag tonight. First time. Until now I haven’t thought it necessary to display a little metallic icon of patriotism for everyone to see. It was enough to vote, pay my taxes, perform my civic duties, speak my mind, and do my best to raise our kids to be good Americans.
and then:
So what’s this doing here? Well, I put it on to take it back. The flag’s been hijacked and turned into a logo — the trademark of a monopoly on patriotism. On those Sunday morning talk shows, official chests appear adorned with the flag as if it is the good housekeeping seal of approval.
Bill Moyers speech on May 14, 2005 in St Louis at the national conference for media reform.
PsstCmere@93
You must have seen only the edited version where Faux News cut the word "really".
The statement was by no means unpatriotic...
If you truly feel that it is then just say so...again...
and that will be the second time today that you have displayed your stupidity ...
but we foregive you.
Troll
Why don't you try questioning my patriotism, and then we'll show our hands.
I hold all of the Aces my ignorant friend!
Back to the Ghost Dance
People Don't Blame the Media,to them it's Just business.I blame the "journalist" who has Sold Out All journalistic etchics for Big Bucks and Cushy Jobs. Don't Give a Shit who agrees with me,but Dan Rather was the Last Great TV Journalist. He may have failed at his Attempt to Inform the US Public about Bush,but at least he tried and See How all his "journalist" buddies stood with Him. The US journalist is WORSE than a Pravda Journalist for all he Risks is Lost of Money Not Prison or Death for Speaking Out against your Government. How easily they Abuse what so many have Risked Prison and many lost thier Lives for the "Right to Free Speech" and a FREE Press. What passes as MSM in the US and sadly is creeping into Canada is Lapdog journalism and I just now watch to see what the new Spin is. If I want NEWS I come on line.The Progressives blogs are the only thing that helps me know that we're all Not NUTZ .The Progressives have had a long hard battle,but Obama isn't going to Let the Republicans "DEFINE" him, I bet he's had to Battle thier Type shit all his life. The Bigots in the Republican Party may not Like ,but I think America is Ready for Change and What Better Statement to make to the World that Americans are Willing to make that CHANGE than to elect the First Black President of the USA. Though I really think Obama's message of Hope is what most Americans are hearing and maybe Obama will be seen as just a Man in people's eyes and MLK's Dream will finally be Achieved.Like my name Says I'm Keepin'The Faith for If there's one thing I've never underestimated was the Power of the American People it's Always been You that Kept America Great and i didn't Let Bush "DEFINE" America for me.. You've have had a lousy 8 yrs but what doesn't kill only makes you stronger.I have NO doubt that you will come through this a Better Country .How can you Not you're still Good people you've just had lousy government.
tee hee, adolph coors to recommend a good weak beer.
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