Snow the latest to compare Bush to Lincoln
For quite a while, Bush and his supporters were absolutely convinced that he is a modern-day Truman, suffering with low approval ratings, but whose stature grew in subsequent decades.
The good news is, Bushies no longer believe he’s a modern-day Truman. The bad news is, they’re now convinced he’s a modern-day Lincoln. Consider Fox News’ Tony Snow on The Colbert Report last night:
COLBERT: Latest polls have his approval rating at 19 percent, which is low for a President but very high for a fetish.
SNOW: Ouch…. They actually hated Truman. They hated Lincoln. Lincoln as late as late-1864 was telling his guys to get ready the next incoming administration of George McClellan.
This seems to be part of a trend. Last month, in a Fox News interview, Bush equated himself with Lincoln. Last week, disgraced former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales “repeatedly made references comparing himself and the Bush administration to the presidency of Abraham Lincoln, suggesting that Lincoln was highly criticized during his presidency and is now highly revered.” As Amanda noted, “Conservatives including Newt Gingrich, John Gibson, David Brooks, Glenn Beck, and Rudy Giuliani have also taken up the comparison.”
As long as these guys continue to cling to the fantasy, we might as well go to the trouble of pointing out how very silly this is.
First, Snow’s point that Lincoln feared electoral defeat in 1864 is true. It’s also true that Lincoln was nevertheless popular enough to win re-election by 10 points. (Granted, half the country didn’t vote due to the Civil War, but Lincoln won 21 of the 24 states still in the Union. “Unpopular” isn’t the first word that comes to mind.)
Second, the comparison itself is almost child-like. To hear the president and his supporters tell it, both led controversial administrations, and both faced their share of derision, therefore, the two have to be similar. By that logic, every unpopular president rejected by the nation gets to say, “I’m just like Lincoln!”
Nonsense. Garret Epps had an item in Salon a while back that scrutinized the differences between Bush and Lincoln.
…Lincoln had none of Bush’s obstinacy and egotism. He scorned yes men, and surrounded himself with Cabinet officials better known than he was, refusing to purge even those actively working against his own political interests. He had no personal vanity at all (when a political opponent accused him of being “two-faced,” Lincoln responded, “If I had two faces, would I be wearing this one?”). The historical imagination rebels at the very idea of his swaggering around in the cavalry equivalent of Bush’s flight suit. He was always ready to sit down with his adversaries, favored compromise whenever possible and never held a grudge. “With malice toward none, with charity toward all” was for Lincoln more than a rhetorical flourish; it was the key to his greatness.
Most important, Lincoln was a lawyer. It is hard to find any sign that Lincoln thought himself above the law. He had none of Bush’s scorn for procedures and rights. He used executive authority in an emergency — and always dutifully reported to Congress and asked for its ratification as soon as a new session began. He restricted civil liberties temporarily, and without enthusiasm — he once compared his suspension of habeas corpus to the drugs doctors give to induce vomiting. Unlike this administration — which will not ask for legal authority even when it knows it will receive it — Lincoln never did anything to prove a point. He didn’t have an authoritarian bone in his lanky body. His objective was victory for the Union, not power for himself.
George W. Bush is Lincoln the way Dan Quayle is Jack Kennedy.
In reality, there is one historical parallel that actually makes sense — though I don’t think the Bushies care for it.
ugh
So if chimpy is the new Lincoln, when is he planning to go to the theater?
There is only way respect in which I wish the Bush and Lincoln presidencies were the same. But I cannot say it.
Lincoln was a fairly humble guy.
Bush is anything but humble.
I would say that Bush is like Lincoln, because they're both brain dead, but that would be insensitive.
Does Bush go to the theater much, like Lincoln?
Anyone who makes such a comparison between President Bush and former PRESIDENT Abraham Lincoln needs a straight jacket and to be left alone in a room with padded walls!
http://OsiSpeaks.com or http://RealConservativesSpeak.com
Another credible source from the Fisher-Price presiduncy.
Tony Snowjob finished by saying that Sherman's march to Savannah GA is what saved Lincoln. So I guess Bush will attack Georgia and burn Savannah next.
Remember there was a time that people actually felt sorry for Tony Snow?
Yeah, neither do I. What a bottom-feeding hack.
Lincoln wasn't phenomenally stupid.
A better comparison would be that Bush is like Ulysses S. Grant, who ran one of the most corrupt administrations in US history.
But Grant was a great military commander, so the comparison doesn't hold.
I'd spring for tickets for bush to go see a play at the Ford Theater.
To be fair, I think you can make the case that Bush's first 7 years were quite a bit like Lincoln's last 7 minutes.
I remember when some people thought that Cobert was complimenting the repugs on his show while he was mocking them. I'll bet there are at least 19% that still do.
Saying it doesn't make it true, no matter who says it or how many times. I would imagine the descendants of Lincoln are appalled at this comparison.
George W. Bush is to Abraham Lincoln
as
Abraham Lincoln is to Alfred E. Newman
Let's see...Bush wants to compare himself to Lincoln.
Lincoln was a junior congressman from Illinois with a law background and relatively inexperienced.
Who could be similar to that?
Why it's that fine irish lad that's running for president!
Barack O'Bama!
pete @ 16:
Well that proves it because Bush is like Alfed E Neuman.
There was a great division in our country due to the Civil War. Bush certainly has divided our country again due to his invasion of Iraq. Maybe that's where they are going with this.
This is laughable - and so absolutely and completely pathetic - Lincoln? They can barely stand to claim Lincoln as their own now (frankly - Lincoln would NOT be seen within a mile of any of this crew)
No one - NO ONE - is ever going to confuse the Abraham Lincoln legacy with that of a c-grade, coke-head, alcoholic, serial-killer, war-criminal, frat-boy - that mismanaged his STOLEN presidency SO remarkably badly - that he engendered the worst approval ratings of ANY president in American history.
NO ONE - period.
Bush will just have to live with the fact that he sucks worse than just about any other human being that ever walked the planet.
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The mind-numbing repetition of the Lincoln analogy is a carefully crafted talking point to subliminally implant the idea that the Republican party had at least ONE good President.
I have to say, though, that they have a point. There is at least ONE striking similarity between Bush and Lincoln. They were both amazingly bad Generals. The fact that the North would beat the South was a foregone conclusion. The north had a vast advantage over the south in population, equipment, weapons, and resources. They should have defeated the south in six months. The fact that the civil war dragged on for years is a testiment to how bad Lincoln's skills were when it came to conducting a war. Ditto for Bush.
Hello, Nancy Pelosi? Put IT back on the table, bitch!
From the FindLaw piece written by John Dean: Then, on Saturday, December 17, in his radio broadcast, Bush admitted that the New York Times was correct - and thus conceded he had committed an impeachable offense.
A Lincoln Continental?
I feel a little runned-over now.
Would it be insensitive to compare Bush to one of Karl Rove's soiled Depends?
Look at how they've turned Raygun into some kind of saint. This is just business as usual for the wingnuts. By 2015 we'll have a Bush boulevarde in every city, several Bush airports and at least an one aircraft carrier named for him, the USS Missacomplishment.
Al @ 6:
It would have to something more along the lines of ICECAPADES Presents Barney on Ice
Ron @ 18:
What, me worry!?
pissed off patricia @ 15:
Sadly, Lincoln has no descendants.
"In 1866 James Buchanan published 'Mr Buchanan's Administration on the Eve of the Rebellion' — the first presidential memoir. He died June 1, 1868, at the age of 77 at his home at Wheatland. He was interred in Woodward Hill Cemetery, in Lancaster. On the day before his death, he predicted that "history will vindicate my memory.""
bill w @ 27:
We should have worried about voter suppression and voting machines in 2000 and 2004.
Did anyone catch when he was giving the bit about going from Fox News Sunday to becoming the press secretary for the Bush administration? "It turned out to be the most natural job transition I ever had. I loved it."
Hmmm...
Bush will be remembered in history as the modern-day President who decimates the notion of Freedom, and civil rights, decimates the Treasury, taking down the entire US with him, dumbing down of the political discourse, and above all, the one who decimates the conservatism in the Republican party.
Republican as a brand and ideology is now a past tense.
You can prop him up as much as you can, but when Katrina story broke, all eyes are on him, and suddenly realize that what a dimwit he really is, and they begin to say "what was I thinking for voting for him in 2004?"
When dumbya is dead, then I'll let the comparison pass because then they'll both have something in common....They'll be dead!
Until then, the reichtwingnutz just wants to paint their illusions so everyone can tell exactly how nuts they really are.
graham @ 31:
I'll bet he was still on Fox's payroll.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I hope the investigations that occur during the Obama administration put that lunacy to rest, while Bush is still alive.
He is going to be an historical figure alright: as the simpleton who broke the United States.
Chimpy McSwagger thinks he's a modern day Abe Lincoln, hmmmm? Okay...I'll go along with his delusion....Somebody check the box office and let's all chip in to buy him and Laura the tickets....What's playing at Ford's Theatre tonight!
Bush to Lincoln? Similarities abound, much like a comparison of OJ to Mother Theresa.
and, Rocky Balboa is kind of like Winston Churchill...
He's really going to outdo Hoover.
Big difference Tony Snow. Lincoln brought back together a nation divided. Bush divided a nation that was united in the wake of 9/11.
Is Snow high?
pissed off patricia @ 15:
Lincoln has no living decendants.
As far as the comparison goes, pretty funny Snowjob. Lincoln took a fractured nation and saved it; while helping the least fortunate in america. Bush took a united country and fractured it, shitting on the most helpless in our society. All, so that he could benefit the aristocracy and privaledged (himself).
Lincoln also had a fabulous wit, and was one of the great speech writers of all tme. Bush is a dimwit, who laughs at the most inappropriate times, and seems to possess the I.Q. of a corn stalk. Not only can he not write (or read probably), but he is so stupid he can hardly talk.
Do these neocons have any idea how f-ing stupid they sound?
Wow Chimpy, that's quite a healthy ego you have. Comparing your alcoholic, coke-sniffing, draft-dodging, business-failing self to one of the greatest statesmen this country has ever known.
Do you think this pathetic pinhead actually believes that laughable bullshit, or is he simply trying to convince us that it's true? Either way....it's truly sad.
George Bush, self taught backcountry lawyer, spent his childhood studying by lamplight using charcoal as writing utensil. Famed for keeping the union together and historic oratory. Are you sure we aren't talking Polk or Harding here? Or Leoinid Breshnev, maybe?
Yeah. They hated Lincoln. But most people remember Lincoln for the good and great things he did. That will not be the case for Bush.
(_(_) @ 41:
Which drug did they used to call snow, cocaine or heroine?
NoGWBpolicyleftinplace @ 42:
No.
Maybe he meant Lincoln Logs. I hated those things.
Dale @ 48:
Smart as a Lincoln log. Fits.
Can Tony Snow reprise the John Wilkes Booth role to make the comparison even more apt?
Wow! This is completely absurd. Maybe we should care less about the history books and more about what we need to do TODAY!
If anything, this shows the complete disconnect that exists in the modern world. People shit in their own pond and feed off their own lies. Then they want to compare themselves to some great leader of the past. As if that has anything to do with anything.
How stupid do they think we are...... (don't answer that)?
bush is more like a hoover, we're going into at least a recession and he sucks like a hoover too.
(_(_) @ 41:
High on Snow
Does King George W wear a silky-covered variation of the contemporary riding hat, known as thee top hat too?
Bush would remind me of Lincoln if he was dumb, anti-social, and developmentally stuck in his preteen years.
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/08/halberstam200708
The late, great, David Halberstam had a thoughtful piece in Vanity Fair about the Bush Administration's view of history.
It seems to me that Bush is already trying to steal any achievements or improvements that the next President (Minus a McCain Presidency of course) will bring. It will be the next President that has to try and fix everything that George W. Bush has broken and he/she will have to do it in four years. Given the current situation, economically, politically, militarily, and so on that will take some doing. Talk about a tall order.
That's funny. In all that I've read about Lincoln, not once is it mentioned that he was an assclown.
truthspeaker @ 51:
When they are dumber than a box of rocks, what makes you think they think anything? They just assume we're stupid.
"With the thoughts I'd be thinkin I could be another Lincoln if I only had a brain" Scarecrow 1938.
The only appropriate comparison for heir shrub would be old adolf except for the fact that even he is smarter than the steaming heap of weasel leavings.
Bush is almost as smart as Lincoln is now.
Can't get video to work help!
No no no! Y'all got it wrong...the comparison is between Bush and the Lincoln Continental, a huge gas-guzzling polluting monster in which the driver can seat his hammy buttocks in luxurious comfort while being totally insulated from the world outside and it's gritty realities, while toodling along running over whatever or whoever happens to be in the way.
Kramer's Law Of Comparisons (Part 1)- The likelihood that a political figure or associated minions will make positive comparisons between themselves and heroic historical figures increases proportionally with the level of public awareness of the incompetence, waste, fraud, malfeasance and criminality they are directly or indirectly responsible for.
Kramer's Law of Comparisons (Part 2) - The likelihood that a political figure or associated minions will make negative comparisons between their opponents and infamous historical figures increases proportionally with the level of incompetence, waste, fraud, malfeasance and criminality they are attempting to obfuscate.
In other words, you can expect more of this.
Ask Bush to say Emancipation Proclamation. Then sit back and enjoy the laughs.
Cool.....I'm good at analogies....
Bush is to Lincoln as Edsel is to Testarossa
Busholini is a fuckweasel.
Compare me to Joan of Arc. We were both unknowns till right at the end...
JudyLou @ 69:
That's Noah's wife, right???
:>O
Lincoln was a preppie cheerleader? Who knew.
Tony, I know you've been ill lately. You might want to go to the doctor and get an MRI on that brain of yours. Just a concerned brotha from Chicago.
Dr. Acula @ 70:
LOL
If by Lincoln, they mean a gas guzzling town car used for ferrying around assholes, then the comparison works.
Jeff @ 74:
Hey wait a minute. I have an older town car and I don't fairy around assholes or anyone else for that matter.
LongTooth @ 29:
And Buchanan was gay, too!
Well, you have to admit that both presidents have been alleged to be switch hitters (not that there's anything wrong with that). Other than that, Snow's got nothing.
Tony Snow is a no count repug. He was the chimps whooping boy and a liar. Fox news is the only ones that will have him.
Hey Snowjob....you still alive?
When I think of bush, I think of a semi-retarded, spoiled little 6-year-old, wearing a sheet and a Burger King crown telling his stuffed animals that he is their ruler, and he thinks he's a good king.
Dale @ 66:
Or ask him to add four score and seven.
Ron @ 75:
Hehe, where I live they're only used as limos for entertainment types.
nsr @ 76:
Holy shit!! Pat Buchanan's gay?? I thought he hated teh gay!
The reason the choice of Presidents has changed is simple. There are people alive who still remember Harry Truman. No one is around who was alive during Lincoln's day. So there you go! No one can dispute it who was there at the time...so it MUST BE TRUE!
Booth... not Lincoln, he will go down in history as next to John Wilkes Booth and, maybe, that presidential also ran, Aaron Burr.
Considering that I've had young, supposedly progressive activists vigorously defend Reagan to me, I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that Bush II's image could be refurbished in the coming years, the same way the corporate media and the right-wing think tanks that feed them have done with Nixon and Reagan. I've said it before here, but who ever would have thought at the end of the 80s, when the damage Reagan did was apparent to everyone, that public polls less than two decades later would rank Reagan higher than Kennedy and Lincoln in public esteem? And Bush II's policies are almost identical to Reagan's; Reagan's restructuring of the government and transformation of public discourse made much of Bush II's actions possible.
Eric Almighty @ 82:
Not Pat. I think he's talking about his brother, Bay.
William Wallace @ 8:
Sherman did not burn Savannah. It was presented to Lincoln as a present...........
All of a sudden, all these people think Bush is like Lincoln?
How did they all agree to compare Bush to the same president? Pretty much tells you that these particular guys are willing puppets for this administration.
Reminds me of the story I heard from this podcast from Blast the Right, which said
Apparently these puppets have gotten their Bush is the new Lincoln meme from the same place.
It seems that Bush is really concerned with his image; just another symptom of the tin-pot dictator syndrome he suffers from.
He'd probably like to drape big Mao-like photos of himself on all our shopping malls, too.
SNOW: Ouch…. They actually hated Truman. They hated Lincoln. Lincoln as late as late-1864 was telling his guys to get ready the next incoming administration of George McClellan.
IIRC, people despised Buchanan, too. How does history remember him?
Yellow Elephant Safari @ 86:
LOL again. Gee, you people are sharp. Don't tell the repugs.
I hope that Bush is quickly forgotten in the pages of history. There are a few Presidents that ended that way. Just ask people who Rutherford B. Hayes was and you get a puzzled look. I think Bush will be remembered though. Anyone that has screwed up this country in more ways than one like Bush has will definately be remembered for it. If Bush finishes at Nixon approval levels I will be completely surprised.
A better comparison would be Alfred E. Neuman. What "W" worry? In his world, everything's rosy...
Lincoln, unlike W, had a brain...and a heart.
Lincoln wore a top hat. Bush is an asshat.
There it is.
The Shrub pretend Bush will be idolized by the Republicans, just down the road, the same as Saint Ronald Of Raygun. They think he was the Messiah. Name ONE thing Raygun succeeded at? NOTHING. Warmongering, arms dealing peace of crap.
Dale @ 93:
LOL.
graham @ 31:
Ya I caught that. Surprised no reaction from Colbert or the audience. It passed quickly but I burst out laughing. Rewound it and wrote it down exactly and even mailed it in to C&L. I couldn't believe it. I guess since it was on a comedy show no one took it seriously, but you can see if you watch it, he's not delivering a line, it looked and sounded like an honest off-the-cuff remark.
"SNOW: Ouch…. They actually hated Truman. They hated Lincoln."
The 'they' is Republicans.
Lincoln freed black people from slavery.
Bush freed New Orleans from black people.
Naked Shaman @ 87:
I stand corrected. He'll burn Atlanta then....
Lincoln had the courage to undertake a military action in order to preserve this great nation, it's people and the Constitution upon which it is founded.
Bush was only evil and arrogant enough to cook up a fake terrorist act to scare American into supporting a previuosly planned incursion into a soverign state to steal their oil resources and set up permanent military bases from which to spread US hegemony around the globe. (sorry about the run-on sentence.)
Can't get the video to work either -- just so the mods know, videos sourced directly from Comedy Central may not run outside the US because of right restrictions...they lock it down. In Canada, all that happens is it starts to load and then gives a message about playing other videos.
He says the transition from Fox News to Bush spokesmouth was easy.
That really surprises me, because how could the two jobs possibly be any more dissimilar?
Since Bush is so much like Lincoln, they should put his face on the penny.
Lincoln can be "heads" and Bush can be "tails"
They despised Andrew Jackson too -- for being a mass murderer.
Both Bush and AJ destroyed the U.S. bank.
Obviously they believe in Goebbels premise of "The Big Lie"
They haven't told it enough for me to believe it, though.
This isn't so much an attempt to propagandize as it is an attempt to justify and absolve themselves. They are never going to admit that Bush is what he is: A sociopathic, borderline psychopathic, serial mass murderer; probably one of the - if not THE - most heinous arch-criminals in American history, a plunderer, a thief, a willing tool of evil. They can't make that admission.
They have to make the attempt to equate this wicked little piece of shit to one of the best this country has ever produced, because if they don't they will all have to begin questioning themselves. And, honest self-assessment is a thing they will never do. Every step of the way, they have all been supporters and willing participants in the crimes and atrocities that Bush has committed, ordered or instigated. They are equally as bloody and tainted as Bush, because they have been his gleeful enablers. They have, each and every one, been living vicariously through Bush, as if he were their proxy for living and doing. Yet, they still need to think of themselves as good people. By equating this monster and the evil things he has done with a person of Lincoln's wisdom and moral accomplishment, all of the sudden, Bush's sins and theirs are transformed into virtues. They're all off the hook, en masse. Pretty convenient.
They'll cling to this latest lie as dearly as they will to their own lives.
Post Script: I think the historicalfigure that futre historians will most likely compare Bush to is Caligula
The soldier vote reelected Lincoln. Last time we checked the soldier contributions were mostly going to Obama and Ron Paul. The real reason for insisting on the comparison is that Lincoln did suspend the right habeas corpus but then again the Constitution anticipated this in the case of a rebellion. Nothing like oging back to the original document consistently, not just when Scalia needs an alibi.
You've already posted an article that exposes the fact that neocons do this to distract us from the real issues as they used the issue of Obama and his lack of a Flag Pin. It's nonsense that is serving the neocons well.
This may be a violation of National Security to give this opinion but I wish the comparison to Lincoln and George Walker Bush would manifest itself completely. Where's John Wilkes Booth when we need him.
If neocons are offended by this attitude then I'll stop when Ann Coulter stops wishing all liberals had died on 9-11.
Paul @ 107:
Nero with a kazoo.
sovereignjohn @ 109:
Lets all chip in to get this national skidmark some season tickets to the theater.
I think he means Bush is like a Lincoln, meaning he can be driven wherever rich white guys want him to go.
Why has Comedy Central disappeared the video?
We only think good of former presidents because
a) no one writes bad about them
b) the American people only have a 5 minute attention span
Look at the way the people handle Bush now and imagine how it will be in 10/20/50/100 years.
How many Americans know what wars happened 10 or 20 years ago?
If they did they might see the Government for the corrupted mob they are.
Then again, a) will come into effect: no one will want to be honest about their president.
The US long ago surrendered itself into a delusion that is poisoning them.
frank @ 114:
Well Bush's big problem legacy wise is the internet and youtube-like sites. Anytime some future historian tries to paint a flattering picture of Bush, all people will have to do is call up some clips of Bush press conferences and he's done.
Derek @ 112:
LOL...That was good.
i think steve bennen is reading way too much into this. all hes saying is that wartime presidents tend to be unpopular. he didnt say bush is gonan turn out to be a great president.
RasslinGOd @ 117:
Sloooow down there. McKinley, Wilson and FDR had it pretty decently as wartime Presidents, as did GHW Bush and, iirc, Tyler.
And of course Snow is suggesting that Stupor Mundi will go down as another Lincoln- the 1st or 2nd highest ranked (by historians) President. Hey, lots of people hated Hoover, too, when he was the President, then grew to respect his work out-of-office. Why doesn't Snow make the comparison there?
Bush and his supporters must know that he is a bad president and that his presidency has sucked from day one otherwise he wouldn't constantly be looking to divert people's attention by bringing up other (dead) presidents.
It's not like he can ask people to judge him based on his "accomplishments." At the very least Bill Clinton could point to the economy.
Unless he discovers the cure for AIDS between now and when he leaves office I can't see how any rational thinking person can look back on his presidency, no matter how far into the future, and see anything other than failure, disaster, and incompetence.
Well Bush should go see a play then.
Filthy Harry @ 115:
We have all that today and still people have drunk the coolaid and still believe it is not poisoned.
A more objective look at Lincoln: http://class-warfare.blogspot.com/2008/01/abe-lincoln-revisited.html
Lincoln was better looking than Bush.
Tell me again how Lincoln populated all offices and departments of the federal goverment with political hacks who politicized and distroyed these offices and departments. Tell me again how Lincoln fought a war and worked to created, make sure and keep the country divided, because I sure don't read that in the lines "A house divided against itself cannot stand."
Bush how ever has, as chornicles by every liberal blog made sure to demonize us and make sure we stay a divided nation.
jeez laweez, what a load.
my question is...if these goofballs' logic holds true, are we to say that he'll be the most popular president ever? i doubt it.
Everybody is misunderstanding the comparison.
He's talking about George Lincoln Rockwell.
It's fine with me. If you study history Lincoln was a terrible president. He abolished slavery after killing 500,000 Americans, but still allowed slavery to exist in the north. He also ordered the US Navy to shell New York City killing hundreds of civilians during the draft riots. That is just the tip of the iceberg, American history is scary and sometimes evil. The American Civil war if studied properly had nothing to do with slavery, so why is the killing of 500,000 Americans equal a good presidency.
We all know that the ONLY politician that is closest in likeness to Abe Lincoln.
JESSE "THE BODY" VENTURA. Both 6' 4 and both wrestlers.
Some idiots are already comparing Obama's kitchen wisdom to Lincoln's Gettysburg address.
It saddens me to hear people speak of The Great Beloved Monkey Junta Leader Dearest Decider Guy in such a manner. Has he not earned the trust and respect of the whole world beyond his bubble ? Dont you love him as he surely loves you ?
Youll never hear me besmearching the good name Of Presidente Petulant Fucktard Bozo El Poopypants. I respect him far too much.
This ends my shameless attempt at satirical concern trolling.
Can America really wait till November ?
Bush is lucky that the position he currently holds doesn't require comptency tests. The only thing that will protect his legacy is a continued effort by a Republican succesor to hide the truth about hs Administration from the American public. A recent study by a member of the graduate school faculty at the U. of Pa. attempted to determine the approximate I. Q. of every President From F.D.R. to date based on an examination of their writings, speeches, and scholarly accomplishments. The results, based upon the known IQ of one or more of the Presidents, were thought to be not more than five points off. George Bush's I. Q was estimated to be 90. Nixon was the highest rated Republican at 155. The average I. Q. of Democratic Presidents was notably higher than the Republican average, with Clinton at 184 and Carter at 172, the highest. So even though Bush compares favorably to Nixon in many unseemly respects, he is in a class by himself when it comes to stupid.
Bush didn't end his war, Lincoln did.
Bush didn't free anyone, Lincoln did. But a lot of people died.
Bush didn't die in office (so far), Lincoln did.
Of course, Lincoln's son Robert Todd, was a Secretary of War and was a Pullman executive during the devastating Pullman strike. (Federal troops called out at the protest of Illinois governor Altgeld)
Lincoln freed the slaves so he could eventually tax them.
The first ten states to ratify the 16th amendment:
1 Alabama (former slave state)
2 Kentucky (former slave state)
3 South Carolina (former slave state)
4 Illinois
5 Mississippi (former slave state)
6 Oklahoma (admission 1907)
7 Maryland (former slave state)
8 Georgia (former slave state)
9 Texas (former slave state)
10 Ohio
Quite the "journalist!" After all those years and he doesn't know that libel is the written word and he can only perform slander on the radio? What a dope.
Actually, our beloved preznit is better compared with George Washington!
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George Washington: threw a silver dollar across the Potomac River.
George W. Bush: threw a trillion dollars across the Tigris. Then another trillion across the Euprates.
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George Washington: admitted chopping down the cherry tree because he "could not tell a lie".
George W. Bush: wouldn’t admit cherry-picking intelligence accusing Iraq of having WMD’s. Accused of lying, Little Georgie admitted to “sixteen words”.
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George Washington: “First in war, first in peace, first in the hearts of his countrymen.”
George W. Bush: “First in the Texas Air National Guard, first to disturb the peace, first to achieve nineteen percent popularity rating in the hearts of his countrymen.”
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George Washington: personally led his troops in a boat across the Delaware in midnight attack on mercenary soldiers.
George W. Bush: personally wore a flight suit on a boat for photo-op beneath “Mission Accomplished” banner. Personally sends mercenary soldiers to fight country’s wars.
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George Washington: “the president on the dollar”.
George W. Bush: “the president who sank the dollar”.
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Lincoln presided over an administration that:
1. Suspended Habeas Corpus.
2. Jailed people for exercising their right to free speech.
3. Actually succeeded, unlike Bush, in Amending the Consitution - changed the term "these United States" to "the United States".
4. Suspended the freedom of the press.
5. Initiated and presided over an extremely bloody and unpopular war.
6. Was, quite possibly, less popular than Bush.
He might not be as intellectually sharp as Lincoln was, but there are stark policy similarities.
Also, spare me with the meandering "... but he freed the slaves" defense. It is clear that he only did it as a last ditch effort to threaten the South's economy, in order to convince them against secession. The war was fought because of money - plain and simple.
What frightens me most, however, is that people seem to have forgotten about his anti-constituional infractions. Will they forget about Bush's so easily?
X @ 136:
Well that depends on the post presidential PR. It's the 'winners' who write history. Look at how soon they forgot-hell never knew of-Reagan's horrific record, and how it's harmed the country. It's blamed on 'socialism.' It's just how lazy people are-letting others do the work. Thinking's too hard.
Bush could be considered Lincoln like only at the time when Abraham Lincoln was taking his last breaths after having sustained a gunshot to the head. How sad that anyone would even utter George Bush's name in the same breath as Abraham Lincoln's. I think that Bush is more like Nero in Rome watching our country go up in smoke while he blithers and destroys the English language.
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Joementum @ 14:
Are we talking 7 minutes before Booth shot Lincoln in the back of the head, or his hours spent as a vegetable in the hotel across the street? Because up until that upset, the show was at least entertaining.
Lincoln wrote his own speeches. Bush can't even read.
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The Bushies are employing a logical fallacy here. The fact that (arguably) both Lincoln and Bush were/are unpopular and Lincoln is popular today, that does NOT mean that Bush will automatically become more popular in the future.
False reasoning and exactly what you'd expect from the apologists for a floundering administration.
So now press Secretaries are concerned of their legacy?
Snow hoping for his own press secretary's library ?
Guys, the first time the "Bu**sh** Linlcoln" thread came up, the site owners made it clear: No insinuations about assassination.
Ballots and voting booth, good. Bullets and J. W. Booth, bad.
Speaking of which, if there is a comparison to be made, it's the W. George Putz has tried to murder the US constitution to help one side (corporations, similar to the pro-slavery side) get their way.
Sounds like another Snow-Job.
Pericles @ 22:
That's a bunch of garbage. First off, Lincoln was not a general. Secondly, in terms of running a defensive war the South's task was not that daunting. At the start of the war, it was the South that had the advantage in terms of Generals and NEITHER side even had much of an army. All the South had to do to win, was simply not lose. In order for the North to win they had to outright defeat the South. There have been other countries and regions that have held out against greater odds than the South did.
Wow I hope Lincoln's descendant. Will not sue Snow for that comment.To compare this ashole fucktard of a presnut to ones of the America's greatest leader is a great slander
that could equal heresy. It's like comparing William Hung to Placido Domingo.
Great! Compare one of the greatest presidents ever with the worst ever. The Republican Big Lie machine at work again. As Bush heads to the Big Ranch in the West he stupidly believes that History will judge him favorably. NO, just his 19% frozen-brained minions who have swallowed 7 years of Big Lies. I wonder how many times after 1/09 he will be asked for his opinions on anything.
And once again, I have to bring out a far more sagely wise quote from a far sager wiseman than Tony Freaking Snow:
-- Carl Sagan.
The fact is, Bush is far more like this guy, who also claimed that "history will vindicate my memory."
Tony's been kissing W's ass for so long he's developed a taste for it.
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