Bill Donohue outraged over Hagee's McCain endorsement: Where's Hardball?
By John Amato Friday Feb 29, 2008 11:01am
I'm no fan of Bill Donohue as you well know, but it's interesting to see him get his freak on over Hagee's endorsement of McCain. CNN covers the story pretty thoroughly on The Situation Room.
Donohue: This thing is out of bounds and this is why McCain has to look at thi---this--it's the totality of what the man stands for. He's been bashing Catholicism for decades and making a mountain of money over it.
CNN: McCain's campaign didn't respond when we asked if he knew about Hagee's writings before accepting the endorsement
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Of course McCain knew. And McCain's refusal to denounce the Catholic hating preacher is very interesting indeed. So far Chris Matthews thinks Democratic political ads are more important to Hardball than John McCain getting hammered by the Catholic League over this endorsement. The one Huckabee begged to get in on himself. That's very revealing. You would think in a sixty minute show, Tweety would at least raise the issue. Can you imagine the outrage filled hour Matthews would have produced if Hillary or Obama gladly welcomed Hagee into their open arms?
Will Russert give McCain the same treatment he gives Obama and Hillary?
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hahahahahahahahaha
and just in time for the pope's visit too.....
think the NAZI pope will be whore-in' and war-in'?
No he won't.
Not a chance!
Donohue is one of the great assholes of modern society. But if he can be a useful tool to smash even larger assholes have at it. We'll see if villagers like Jokeline and Tweety come through, or just prove that they are queer for wacky Mac.
"Will Russert give McCain the same treatment he gives Obama and Hillary"?
Hmmmmmmmm? I'll have to give that one some thought.
I can't seem to muster up the outrage. In fact, darned if I'm not enjoying watching bigoted closed-minded crazy people fight amongst themselves.
Hagee is a piece of shit and so is McInsane for accepting that assholes endorsement.
"Will Russert give McCain the same treatment he gives Obama and Hillary?
no.
off topic but...
how can a guy cooking up enough
ricin to kill thousands of people in a hotel room
not be linked to terrorism
heh...
Ooooh, the moral bankruptcy of the denizens of The Village...on full display these days.
Tweety's much more worried about whether Obama's "vain" when he self-deprecating deflects an obnoxious offensive question about boxers v briefs by noting whichever he'd look good in 'em.
Tweety and Timmeh and the rest of the court jesters who think they are "journalists" will never explore the double-standard because it is within themselves.
The Daily Show's Jon Stewart tried to warn him in 2006, but John McCain didn't listen. Battered by all sides over his embrace of End Times Pastor John Hagee, John McCain is finally experiencing the blowback from his pandering visits to "crazy base world."
For the details, see:
"Jon Stewart Warned McCain About 'Crazy Base World.'"
I love the donohue quote in regards to making money off of catholic bashing. Hilarity! Never mind all the human misery that the catholics suck on like dry bones of a dead victim.
Fuck religion and fuck all these religious idiots.
Put them in a pit to fight it out to the death, whomever wins gets to be the last human sacrifice for their god. An honor!
Sure would be nice if a candidate had a clue and could run on their ability to address the issues rather than how many people they fool with their pandering and lies. Not that it matters anyway. Diebold makes the whole thing moot.
Sean Hannity is a Catholic. Rev. Hagee defecated all over the Catholic faith. When will Hannity ask McCain to repudiate Hagee?
Who cares what the MSM say or don't say on telly. I don't get my news off the telly any longer. Let them sink in their shit. I advise people to go to the internet or to foreign news. Being a teacher, I reach a large audience, someday larger than Tweety's.
The Media wants a McCain presidency. Stockholm Syndrome.
So somebody is a prick and doesn't like catholics,
Well, hate to break it to you but most everybody involved in politics is a prick, clown or criminal so take your pick.
Catholics deserve nothing but pity, I've read their book, I found Harry Potter more entertaining and a hell of a lot more believable. If children persist in believing in the tooth fairy or Santa the world deals them a harsh lesson, why shouldn't catholics get the same lesson?
Wake up America.....
So is the archbishop of St. Louis going to strong-arm us all into voting for McCain like he did with chimpy in '04? The American Bishops must really yearn for a return of the 14th century and know only a Republican can run things into the ground that swiftly.
You ever wonder of these crazed religious types would just make up enemies if they couldn't readily find one on tv or in their closets? I mean really, these people thrive on outrage. The funniest thing is that they see everybody as their enemies, even those of us that don't subscribe to any particular ooga-booga religion. Sometimes especially us!
[having a good larf over my morning tea]
Oops, I forgot that Catholics get shit on here.
oooh, that's right - hannity is "catholic"...
so is colbert... now THAT would be an interesting bit to see what HE does with all this...
So much has been made of Farrakhan endorsing Obama. An endorsement that was not solicited or acknowledged. Russert thought it was important enough to force Obama to denounce it, and Hillary thought it important enough to make him reject it in a debate format. Obama never asked for, acknowledged, accepted, or appeared on stage with Farrakhan.
McCain asked for, accepted, and appeared on the same stage with John Hagee in a political event. Yet no outrage by MSM.
Does anyone really care what Donohue thinks about anything? Or Hagee? I don't want to see either of them given a forum for their BS.
However ... head to head on, say, Hardball or Meet the Press, where neither could be heard of the other's shouting -- well that might have some freak-fest value.
I'm getting cynical about this whole election. The Republicans seem to be trying to kill McCain's momentum. I'm afraid they are trying to create a Jimmy Carter situation. ie Load one Democratic presidency with a load of problems (Iraq, failing economy, etc) then get 12 years of the White House and almost as many years of the House/Senate. Anybody else on this?
RICIN
enough to kill thousands
"A report from the Washington Regional Threat and Analysis Center said the FBI considers the discovery "criminal in nature with no nexus to terrorism." The report was sent to law enforcement agencies and was obtained by CNN."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/01/ricin.hotel/
not terrorism
according to the FBI
heh...
My invisible old man in the sky is better than your invisible old man in the sky!
hahahaha
Your country's fucked up when lunatics like this are taken seriously enough to gain air time on CNN.
No one yet had the endorsment of the "Flying Spegetti Monster"?
One thing I am sick of, on comments on this blog is people in practually every thread saying: Who cares what or Does anyone care what _________ says? The answer is YES!! Millions of people care what these asshats say otherwise they wouldn't be on C/L.
lol at religious ppl!...
Matthews was a very proud catholic. Considering Matthews took Hard Ball off-line for a week while he covered the Pope's death and ignored everything about American politics during that time, his lack or outrage over Hagee is indeed curious. Has Chris Matthews renounced or rejected Catholicism and I missed it?
The born-again bible bangers really made asses of themselves over their fanatical obdience to the bush regime.
This is why it is in the benefit of the churches to adhere to the doctrine of seperation of curch and state. Politicians are inately corrupt. Dirtbags are drawn to power. If religions get to close to the politicains; when the politicians get caught doing bad things; it reflects on the religion.
The evangelical movement in this country is dead. The vast majority of Americans look at them as douchebags; becuase, by supporting bush they are supporting such things as torture, mindless maeningless wars, and the rape of our civil liberties.
Marvin El Canucki @ 25:
The wheels have fallen off the bus. The good news is; we have sanken so low that their is no place to go but up.
RayC @ 26:
Praytell, when will the FSM name a candidate to be "touched by his noodly appendage?"
Right now we're witnessing a McAKA #411
- McCantgetenoughoftheantiCatholicpastor – loves him some Hagee ‘n’ Donohue stews.
to be followed shortly by a McAKA #412
- McUnctuous - mealy-mouth’s explanations that he doesn’t support all the ideas of (insert wingnut) and will still be praised for his “straight talk” and “candor” by the media later.
liberalbiasboy @ 31:
Wasn't that Kucinich?
I don't care whether McCain gets equally hard scrutiny from the assholes of the media, whom I never watch, read, or listen to in any case. What this whole Hagee dust-up shows, however, is just another way that McCain is completely, brain-dead crazy and has no morals to boot. This is a caricature of a complete human being -- just like Bush -- and so far outside the demands of the times, it isn't funny.
That people give him any credence at all is sad for what it says about a substantial segment of the population, but ultimately irrelevant. There's a massive, worldwide need for healing of the human psyche, and it's already underway. Obama is a reflection of that and exactly what we need.
The entire current (as of Friday 12:01 am PST) McAKA List – alphabetized for easier reference:
well if the catholics are a cult as hagee says they're gonna need one heck of a lot of sneakers and apple sauce and a much much bigger spaceship than anyone had ever figured because there's a whole lot of them. oh, has anyone at all thought to clue mccain that there's a whole lot of 'em out there? i say that 'cause i don't think he's on to that at all.
How stupid is the issue that Hagee is being chastised about. One religion calling another religion weird?
What they need to do is air some of Hagee's end times craziness, maybe some of his nutjob talk on Glenn Beck's show recently. If people aren't more frightened by that then we are in for a long election season and maybe a short lived planet.
You think Donohue is pissed off now... just wait 'til Chocolate Jesus endorses his candidate.
flamethrower @ 38:
end timers...pedopriests...end timers...pedopriests...handle snakes...magic underwear...so many choices...
I say leave me behind, alone, and I'll handle my own business without any underwear in the way.
Moose @ 39:
LOL
CJ better get to it before Easter - he'll likely be discounted after that...
How can anyone defend any type of religion, when their most outspoken "leaders" are always completely batshit crazy? It's stunning. Doesn't matter what religion it is either. Says volumes about organized religion. And why aren't Catholic churches kicked off the tax exempt status, when their leaders are the most vocal politically?
I almost feel sorry for McPleaseGiveToTheLord'sCollectionPlate.
joe cantwell @ 8:
Maybe Russert agrees with McCain and supports the Catholic hating preacher Bill Donohue also.
I think if I were a Catholic I would ask that question in a very serious manner.
Watching a coupla religinuts cockfighting is rapturous.
HOW CARE THIS MAN??? if he is that say anything about anybody flaming a Catholic. There is no more disgrace to Catholism in this country than Donohue...In fact I think the man is a disgrace to the human race.
Is he afraid to step outside, he might get blasted by lightening.
Proud2bHumble @ 44:
It's almost as much fun as a McEconomicStimulus candidate.
These sorts of ideological battles are precisely what cage matches were created for.
If the Catholics call up Mel Gibson as their representative the Protestants should be worried. He's done this sort of thing before...
Marge @ 45:
He is your typical by-product of religion. Those that spend their lives studying religion usually tend to be McPsychologicallyImbalanced.
flamethrower @ 38:
Ok, I know its fun to bust on crazy religious people, but really we're off topic. The issue really being discussed is actually media bias and racism in the form of Obama and other black politicians or leaders always questioned on where they stand in relation to a nutcase like Farrakhan, but white politicians and leaders like McCain are given a free pass with regard to white crazy religious people, specifically in a case like this where McCain actively sought out the support of this lunatic and is not questioned on it (so far) by the MSM, whereas Obama was harassed by Russert about Farrakhan EVEN though Obama already repudiated Farrakhan.
donkey @ 9:
what!you dont believe our terriorst experts? im sure thiers a perfectly good excuse someones ricine in thier possesion!!!um let me think!
This is just too funny for words ... The Battle of the gods.
My God is better than your god
My god is older than your god
My god is the real god
He calls the group a CULT, as if they were not ALL cults.
I read a list somewhere once that named all the gods, and in each case the people of each of the corresponding religions didn't accept the existence of the others.
Anyway, if it (religion) wasn't so damn dangerous it would be hilarious.
I love watching things like this rupture. Reminds me of some sci-fi anime, where the evil blue alien's giant steel spaceship has some 11 megaton missile shot into its belly. And just before it blows to smithereens, the entire fuselage giggles and looks as if takes on a liquid form, then the artist slows the motion down while cracks of orange and yellow light creep up the side of the hull.............
ConcernedCanuck @ 42:
Fantasy-Island-In-The-Sky is the carrot, Fear of death/discomfort is the stick. Gotta be a scared, stubborn, mentally lazy ass to sign up.
Oh, and #418, tanks, eh? ;-}
abob @ 13:
Has Hannity said anything about Farrakahn and Obama?
Send Timmeh an email and tell him to ask McCain these questions about Señor Hagee MeetthePressQuestions@mail.ad.ge.com
Captain Kangaroo @ 55:
At some point I'm sure Russert will ask. However he will frame the question as though he is merely commenting on what other people are saying as opposed to an important issue HE wants resolved. And he'll accept whatever answer McCain gives (prolly something vapid about left wing blogs).
Movies.crooksandliars.com is still failing to load for like the third day?
Can't you just upload your videos to youtube too?
If youtube was the first choice before your server, you'd save tons on bandwidth. I realize you need to keep a copy or the links could break one day.But, that doesn't mean you can't use youtube too.
Your movie download logic is by far the least stable part of your whole web site. It breaks all the time/
I wanted to see some of these clips and they aren't on youtube yet. In fact, some people are linking back to your broken links.
I can't believe you haven't had a post on all the problems this week.
ConcernedCanuck @ 46:
You mean the $300 BB-size Chinese Benwa bead they're gonna shove up our ass 'til the IRS comes home and yanks it out? As stimulating as being dragged by our feet thru the sand by a thirsty camel chasing mirages.
Oh, and #419, tanks, eh? ;-}
I am John McShitForBrains, I approve his endorsement, but do not approve his message, my friend.
Now all is right with the world.
Anonymoo @ 47:
Walker, Texas turdbrain'll dropkick him and Total Waterboard him til he's kilt.
This is yet another instance of opposing religious belief systems undoing each others' electoral clout. First, we had the Romney/Mormon vs. Huckabee/Christian evangelical thing. Now we've got the Cunningham/Hagee/ Christian evangelical vs. the Catholic church thing.
I think this is great news. Secularist voting blocks could never accomplish this level of getting religion out of politics!
Marge @ 45:
Is he afraid to step outside, he might get blasted by lightening.
Certainly could use some enlightening.
ConcernedCanuck @ 48:
He is your typical by-product of religion. Those that spend their lives studying religion usually tend to be McPsychologicallyImbalanced.
And the concurrent previous and/or ongoing substance abuse takes care of the physical balance - the effect is staggering. Speaking of which,
#420, 'ere dude, take a toke 'n my appreciation ;-}
Some bright blogger is eventually going to dig up what Hagee has said about other religious groups as well. If he's gone after Catholics like this, I suspect he's got a bunch of bad things to say about Mormons. Why focus on Mormons? Because Mormons make up over 10% of all Arizonans (closer to 20% I think, but not sure), and a disproportionate number of them are Republicans.
Add that to all the Hispanic Catholics in AZ and the surrounding states and things could get messy for McCain. If AZ is close at all in the general election, this kind of thing could help nudge it.
These Wignuts are really nutty in flavor Flav and are also bad bad people! LMAO
ConcernedCanuck @ 42:
Not really sure who you're talking about Canuck. Donahue is not, nor ever was was, a Catholic leader. I'm not even sure sure he's Roman Catholic. As far as actual leaders in the Church, someone should tell Donahue that they are, well, priests. In other words, Bill, get a collar or STFU. I do remember a St. Louis Bishop spouting right wing crap against Kerry, but the Church shut him up pretty quick.
Cunningham (race bigot), Hagee (religious bigot), and Donahue (an embarrassment to Catholics). All cut from the same cloth.
It isn't often you get to see a presidential candidate manage to step on his own dick three times in one week.
I keep wondering if McCain's stuck in a Saturday Night Live "Groundhog Day" sketch?
Love seeing the faith-heads go to war with each other. I'm making popcorn.
Roket @ 59:
#421, thanx, and welcome to the game, Roket ;}
But Hitler was a Catholic and inspired by Martin Luther. So how is expressing historical fact considered hateful? Perhaps Catholics United has never read Luther's "On the Jews and Their Lies". The Catholic church sided with the Nazis in the Spanish civil war and the 2nd World War. Perhaps the Catholic church should clean up it's own house before criticizing others. As far as I know Hagee has never helped hide Nazi war criminals and pedophiles.
goodgirlroxie @ 61:
We could if all us Satanists-By-Default had a coordinating Coven-ant. ;}
I love how one myth based belief system attacks another myth based belief system.
fiver @ 65:
Not surprising that the popophiles haven't chastised their Colter-in-drag(or is that redundant?).
Doug @ 69:
They definitely need to initiate an inquisition into this matter to curtail Hagee's crusade.
Steve @ 71:
It's quite an entertaining mythtery... ;}
Doug @ 69:
Martin Luther was an amazing Catholic leader. Most people don't know this and confuse him with the rebel founder of another faith called, um... let me see... what could it be?...it's on the tip of my tongue... I'll do some research and get back with you.
Proud2bHumble @ 70:
I prefer to think of us as secularists, but hey, Satanists-by-Default sounds like more fun.
fiver @ 75:
I think you're thinking of Ralph Presbytery... Or maybe Calvin Coolidge?
Proud2bHumble @ 73:
:-D
Proud2bHumble @ 72:
As a recovering Catholic, I go after that POS every chance I get. As for the Church chastising Donahue, he's just not worth... Oh s&!%, I just got that. :)
goodgirlroxie @ 76:
The parties are much swankier.
John McCain is a Protestant Christian. The founder of the Protestant faith was a virulent anti-Semite. When will Sean Hannity demand that McCain repudiate and denounce Martin Luther?
America marching backwards yet again into the middle ages. Protestant against Catholic. Sounds depressingly familiar doesn't it? And noble war hero John McInsane doing his part to help fuel it. He'll make a wonderful president.
We have allowed all the worst nightmares of the Founding Fathers to come true. They must be turning in their graves, and Jesus weeping in heaven over what is done in His name. RELIGION + POLITICS = DEATH. That's why separation of Church and State was a founding pillar of our country when it was established. Put down the friggin bible for a moment and pick up a history book!!
(I realize on this website I'm preaching mostly to the choir, no pun intended- but the fact that the odious Talibangical Huckabee is even a viable candidate, when he should have been laughed off the national stage as a joke, scares the crap out of me. It's another depressing sign how this country has lost it's collective mind}
Say no to the Christian Taliban. Say no to the GOP. Come to your senses in November America. We are right at the edge.
Mike @ 66:
Toilet paper?
fiver @ 78:
I'm deeply grateful to the nuns at my Catholic schools for their open displays of cognitive dissonance and emotional perversity that propelled me into my auto didactic explorations of philosophy and theology . Other than that, I've found Popehilarity of only passingly annoying and amusing interest. ;- ]
abob @ 80:
Organized monotheistic religions of semitic origin are all ideological viruses.
Filthy Harry @ 82:
LOL! You've made me lol on a lot of other comments too - thanks for that. ;-}
Proud2bHumble @ 85:
And P.S. Yeah, the media bias sucks, but it's great for the 'sphere.
Gotta go...will check back...please leave a massage ;-}
The Catholicism of Tweety, Hannity, Timmeh, et al is about as deep as their journalistic ethics. They don't care about religion except for the sanctimonious aura it confers upon them. I'm willing to bet there's not a true believer in the bunch.
Nobody's going to demand that the crazy old man reject, repudiate, or denounce anything. He's in their club and they love him no matter what.
Proud2bHumble @ 79:
KansasCityFaGt @ 67:
Okay if I join you? But you have to put a lot of butter on the popcorn.
Both donahue and hagee are a couple freaking nuts.
I could care less what either one of the psycho idiots have to say about anything.
And God help the ignorant SOB's that eat up their drivvle.
How the fuck is this guy, McCain, supposed to stand up to the 'Terristas', when he's on his knees calluding with a raging bigot against the very own people of his very own religion in exchange for the monster's triffling political support. If being "honored" by Donahue's endorsement suffices as being a strong champion of standing up and defending one's principles, then his campaign is truly a bigger shell and a bigger joke than GDub's was.
Really, watching the implosion of religious phsychoses is entertaining.
A politician speaking in a CHURCH
A politician speaking in a church is one thing. A chruch leader openly backing a politician is BULLSHIT. It's time for the IRS to clean up this shit and start stripping these outspoken churches of their TAX-EXEMPT status.
joe cantwell @ 8:
All Timmeh will give Wacky Mack is a Rusty Trombone.
Go fuck yourself Bill Donohue.
Vickif @ 90:
Trans-fat free and easy on the sodium, eh ;-)
Bill Donaheeou, I'm glad you finally found someone who, even you, can look down on.
He's louder than you, he's richer than you, he's crazier than you, and darn-gone-it
the midget Hagee can probably kick you ass too.
In the Gospel According to the Simpsons, the creative staff would swear that Donohue had only a small group of followers, and that lots of letters complaining about episodes seemed to come from 3rd graders who never saw the episode in question writing from a form letter.
Wow! Talk about the pot calling the kettle...
I haven't watched CNN for months now, and this clip reminds me why. Watching CNN is an unacceptable waste of my time.
Every single second you spend watching cable news is a waste of your time.
Bill from Dover @ 100:
Wow! Talk about the pot calling the cannabis...
I always thought Cannabis would be a good name for a brand of canned biscuits.
Apparently it's The Democrats accusing Hagee of anti-Roman Catholic bigotry and "some Catholic groups that are barely worth a mention (so they didn't mention them)
This is delicious. I just love when politicians and religionists eat their young, shoot the messenger, and fight over angels on pinheads.
Democrats quoted Hagee as saying the Catholic Church conspired with Nazis against the Jews and that Hurricane Katrina was God's retribution for homosexual sin. They also accused Hagee of making demeaning comments about women and flip remarks about slavery.
"Hagee's hate speech has no place in public discourse, and McCain's embrace of this figure raises serious questions about John McCain's character and his willingness to do anything to win," said Tom McMahon, executive director of the Democratic National Committee.
McCain was pressed on the issue Friday morning in Round Rock, Texas. Hagee "supports what I stand for and believe in," McCain said.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Church/Default.aspx?id=68809
Everyone knows that Grampa McCain is the Republican nominee by default. Just because he's left standing after all the other comically unqualified yahoos self-destructed doesn't mean he's a good candidate.
On the contrary, he's proven himself to be an inept, uninspired and uninspiring campaigner time and time again, and here's yet another example. He's toast come November. He'll wish he'd never had the idea of running for President in the first place.
Hillary and Obama? Whatever!
With regards to favorable press-coverage, Obama is already in the same league as McCain. Hillary? Not so much.
jewsonfirst.org takes on John Hagee and the Republican Jewish Coalition who are in cahoots with each other:
http://www.jewsonfirst.org/08a/cufi_obsession.html
Then, and about time, The American Council for Judaism in a "Special Interest Report" takes on the ADL, AIPAC, and Norman Podhoretz for being war-mongers with this clip from Leonard Fein in The Forward:
“Podhoretz wants to use force now. Others, including a disturbing number of major Jewish organizations, endorse ‘merely’ the threat of force, loudly proclaiming that ‘all options’ must be on the table. Is such a threat a useful deterrent, or does it instead increase Iran’s very real sense of vulnerability, thereby encouraging precisely the behavior it is meant to deter? And is not such talk a way of creeping toward war? Another real war just now? Madness. Yet this is the risk being pressed upon us. Why must Jewish organizations be and be seen as the loudest drum-beaters of all? Why can we not bring ourselves to say that military intervention is not on the table at all? Why not stash it under the table, out of sight, and mount instead a diplomatic assault? Germany, 1938? The more relevant and equally cautionary precedent is Iraq, 2003 — and counting.”
http://www.acjna.org/acjna/articles_detail.aspx?id=469
This is a good read. Important Jewish voices are finally speaking out against this Zionist madness.
For brutha donahue's amusement:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDwGatB_TuI
Chuck @ 94:
I second the motion! You want to have your religious belief system protected by the US Constitution, fine. Go ahead and worship whatever it is you worship, and the state will stay out of your business. But turn around and start using the power of your tax-exempt status as a church in the political arena, endorsing candidates, raising money for political campaigns, etc, then you can start filing with the damn IRS like everybody else.
I smell an all out war between equally-insane religious cults that call themselves "christian". Before it's all over in November, the country will be even more divided than it is now.
The end is nigh - the carefully-maintained civil balance between disparate groups, religious or not, has been tainted by the every-day machinations, lying, discrediting, trashing, etc., of the bush mis-administration. What never would have been considered acceptable actions in the past (before 2000) are now not only accepted, but condoned, by leaders of these groups. After all, our government saw fit to act in this fashion.
Could be fun times ahead! Got the popcorn ready in the microwave already.
lewisnclark and Chuck,
Hagee formed a group outside of his church called Christians United For Israel or CUFI. It is in bed with the far-right Pro-Israel groups, the rabid Israel-Firsters running Bush's admin, and the Likudist pro-Israel Right.
Hagee is legally allowed to do this. He gets away with it because he can piggy-back off screeches of anti-semitism if anyone objects to his message. As I noted in my post at #109, respected moderate Jewish groups are finally starting to say something. ANd they're dinging the ADL, AIPAC, and that madman Norman Podhoretz.
Now it remains for the progressive blogs to overcome their fear of being labeled anti-semitic for criticizing Israel and take the weird Republican Jewish Coalition and Hagee on for what they are: hateful, despicable, racist, and exemplary of everything Non-American. They back apartheid in Palestine. They want war with Iran. They want US policy to be dictated to by the wing-nut party in Israel. They will interfere with the US elections to get Likudist Israeli policy further set in stone in American law, subjugating US citizens, who dont know the damn difference, to their insanity. Just go to the jewsonfirst.org link in #109 above and follow the links there.
There is something very subtle & very vital going on here. John Hagee is an unabashed bigot, and Donohue is insulted & angry over it. He has every right to be. What is also true is that Mr. Donohue himself is an unabashed bigot. Quite plainly, being the victim of discrimination does not immediately give someone moral authority. This is contradictory to many basic tenets and assumptions of the quest for civil rights.
The issue of civil rights is one of justice. Anyone can fight for justice. However, it is not accepted on those grounds. The issue is fractured into civil rights for blacks, for hispanics, for GLBT. I live in Washington, and everyone out here knows Rev. Ken Hutcherson, another unabashed bigot whose main target is gays & lesbians. He's also black. He is just the sort of person people who fight for civil rights are fighting against, because the fight is for Justice for All.
Even back in the early 60's, when the "Civil Rights Struggle" began in earnest, it was co-opted by the blacks, who could only see their own pain, and not understand that everyone suffers under bigotry & prejudice. They eschewed the leadership of whites, who were relegated to second-class citizenship in the movement. Many fell under the lie that they were not fighting for justice, they were fighting for justice for blacks. The MSM underlines this lie by never giving the title of "Civil Rights Leader" to someone who isn't "dark." How many people would take John Edwards seriously if he adopted the title "Civil Rights Leader"? Why not? Because he hasn't "suffered"? Why should that give you any kind of credibility? Poor Bill Donohue, he's suffered so much as the victim of prejudice, we should certainly take his views seriously.
Bigotry and prejudice is an insult to both parties. Every bigoted act by a white person only strengthens the image of me, as a white person, being a bigot. I don't bother crying "reverse discrimination", because that only strengthens the divide, and ignore the true goal, which is Justice For All, not "Justice for my particular race/color/religion/sexual preference." If every black person in America enjoyed 100% justice & equality right now, the Civil Rights Movement would still be a failure. Because the ultimate crime isn't against a single individual, the crime is against Justice.
The Civil Rights Movement has slowed because so many of the so-called "leaders" refuse to put down their personal stake in whatever group they identify with. The step that must be taken is to realize that you are fighting for Justice, not for some particular group that has experienced prejudice. In that fight, anyone can participate, and anyone can be the perpetrator.
A ten day fiberless diet, a thousand mile roadtrip and two quarts of colon blow. I'm ready to challenge for the McList length record.
It's crowning, it's crowning. I can see the ...head? Puuuuush!
Argg! McIfyouarewonderinghowanelderlypresidentwilldealwiththestressofatankingeconomyashreddedconstituionandendlesswartheanswermyfriendsis"Depends"
Deputy Defense Minister Matan Vilnai threatens a "shoah," the Hebrew word for holocaust, against the Palestinians yesterday and the Israelis go all out to cover their tracks saying the word also means "disaster." Unhunh. Right. Since when?
This is what Hagee supports. Go to http://cufi.convio.net/site/PageServer
This is the sole purpose of CUFI's existence. And if you think this has anything to do with real Judaism, you're missing a screw. This is rabid insane Zionism. It has nothing to do with being Jewish, and it is going to ultimately harm the nation of Israel, its existence, in American eyes. Mark my words.
This from Israeli blogger DesertPeace.
And if you want to read sensible commentary about this Zionist threat to the US, read Philip Weiss:
Yes, There Is a Guerrilla War Against Zionism in the U.S. What Should Jewish Institutions Do?
Good points, Dread Pirate Wesley.
I'm no big fan of the Catholic Church, but I also don't publicly call it "the great whore". Maybe the Pope will weigh in. Way to offend tons of people McCain; religious people; your base. Go for it. I love watching the GOP fracture.
Tweety won't comment 'cause Hagee is so ugly it makes his "man crush" woodie wilt !
I never thought I'd agree with a bible thumpin, money grabbin, mafia criminal like Hagee,
but he's absolutely right about the catholics.
They have been the vermin of civilization for 17 centuries, along with all other christian denominations, including Hagee.
It's great that we all can discuss these things, but shouldn't we be outraged that this is a story
that the media is allowing to safely sleep when there is a primary occurring in four states on
Tuesday? News doesn't stop on the weekends - but this story died in mainstream media on
Friday afternoon. McCain isn't home "resting in Arizona" this weekend. He's no doubt meeting
with his managers to figure out how he'll get out yet another POOR JUDGMENT!!!! If the people around
him don't suggest he find other friends - he sure should figure it out on his own. Meantime, while this
story sleeps, a man named Huckeby is giving it his all out there. Whether it would help him or harm him,
it's disgusting that the story is not out there. I'm simply astounded. I'm an Obama supporter - but I'm
sure glad I'm not a Republican or independent trying to vote in a decent man. HOW DO WE GET THE PRESS ON THIS PRONTO???
This religious nut-baggery and love affair between Church & State is absolutely out of control in America. This shouldn't even be news! People should be concentrating on what the candidate can do for the country, not what religion he or she is or which religious sect endorses whoever.
Here in Australia, I know that we pretty much all go to the polls to vote for the person we feel will garner us employment and a better standard of living. Not somebody who prays louder than another or to a different deity for that matter.
I hope the next thing I see is Hagee and Donohue is a grudge match gettin' their war on each other. They both need to do sane people a favor and take their bullcrap ideologies to another planet. At least the best we can hope for is these two warring sects take each other down and McCain in the process. They won't be able to focus on how supposedly Muslim Obama is if they're worried about the Papacy versus Martin Luther.
And the philosophical differences between Hagee and Donohue are what again, exactly?
And if there really is something called "The Catholic LEAGUE," how come I only ever see this ONE GUY?
Just askin'...
Isn't this the same Bill Donohoe who shared a stage on "Justice" Sundays with Tony Perkins of the FRC, not exactly what I'd call a Catholic-friendly organization? So what's his problem with Hagee then?
Hmm, donations to the Catholic League must be down this month....
OK...I hope someone who can do something really reads this, but, after we finish grilling Mr McCain & friends about Hagee, perhaps someone would like to ask him (them) if they've actually seen Hal Turner's web site.
teeheehee. eat yerselves alive, pugs.
testing testing. religious freaks. testing testing
Irony check, he is an anti-catholic pastor from San Antonio.
San Antonio!!
think about it, the name of the city. You can't get a more Catholic name for your city than that. Saint-Anthony.
LOLOLOL
I don't watch Matthews except when he is involved in a debate, but I read a lot of comments about him. Is he straight?
As the Catholic Church's unofficial pitbull-on-crack mascot, Donahue doesn't have much room to complain. He himself is an intolerate religious bigot of the worst kind. Hagee and Donahue deserve each other.
Paul @ 133:
Hagee's actually doing Bill a favor, now he's got a real outrage to whine about instead of having to go to all the trouble of ginning one up out of little or nothing. Makes the job so much easier. Bet those fundraising emails are burning up the intertubes right now.
Hagee vs. Donohoe......That'd be a hell of a cage match. Hagee's got some pounds on Bill but Bill's meaner and Irish as well...gotta go with my homie on that one.
This issue shows why most religious leaders are full of shit, and could care less about people they lead, except for their money, of course. Why Catholics would support so-called Christian politicians is unfathomable. "Christian" fundamentalist believe that Catholicism is a cult.
Freedumb is really going to hell/
God can,t and Will NOT Stop Freedumb/
Yet, GOD(Singular) didn,t give ANYONE a Free =will !
Where in any Bible Did God say you ARE Free?
NOWHERE !
WAKE UP TO REALITY!
Chinas Population OUTNUMBERS U.S. Population 4 TO 1 !
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