Karl Rove spins Iraq war into 'Al Qaida Country' with soaring oil prices
By Logan Murphy Saturday Mar 01, 2008 12:15pm
Karl Rove played a leading role in the demise of the Republican party, and now as a FOXNews pundit he has been desperately trying to rewrite history and on this morning's Fox News Sunday, he was laying down some of his patented fact-free spin on Iraq, Al Qaeda and the 2008 presidential campaigns. Wallace pointed out that the American people are solidly against this war by every poll known to man, but Rove acting as a propagandist frames it this way.
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Rove: If we were to give up Iraq with the third largest oil reserves in the world to the control of an Al Qaida regime or to the control of Iran, don’t you think $200 a barrel oil would have a cost to the American economy?
Rove calls Senator Barack Obama a "Neo-Isolationist" for daring to say that we shouldn't have invaded Iraq in the first place (repeatedly misrepresenting Obama's withdrawal plans) then goes on to say that we must stay in Iraq because we can't let the third largest oil reserves in the world to fall into the hands of an Al Qaeda-led Iraq -- which is a giant red herring considering Iraq's government is dominated by Shiites who would never allow a few thousand Sunnis who call themselves Al Qaeda to take over their country under any circumstances. There's absolutely no data to suggest this could ever happen and in fact, our presence there is merely perpetuating the problem.
Rove also floats the notion that oil prices will soar to $200 per barrel if we redeploy, but the reality is that our invasion of Iraq is the reason oil prices have now breached the $100 mark in the first place and our continued destabilizing presence in the Middle East will continue to drive prices higher. From the Democratic standpoint, we can only hope that Senator McCain continues to support Bush's failed policies in Iraq all the way to November.
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I would wretch if I watched that clip.
So Rove is confirming that the war really is about the oil.
KKKarl Rove exclusively on Faux and Newsweak.
The more he talks, the more he destroys the myth of his "political genius." He's just another scumbag for whom there is no low that's too low for him to stoop to. That's not genius. It's just evil that dems haven't learned a good defense against. So he'll keep doing it.
I can't stand to look at Rove. He is such a putrescent piece of horrid filth.
I can't wait for Fox News to go off the air.
They made this argument 2 years ago before the '06 elections with the metric being $100 a barrel oil. Wake me when they are out of power.
Not to mention the complete misrepresentation of what al-queda is. Its not a regime. Thanks to Bush & Co. al-queda now is any angry non-American (preferably non-white) with access to explosives. They are not a gov't, they are not a political party. Even if you could some how kill them all, all it would take is one angry mutherfucker with explosives and they'd be back. stupid stupid stupid.
I'm with TheToonGuy: Everyone should jump on Rove's remarks, from Jon Stewart to the White House press corps -- next time they have face time with the Salesman-in-Chief -- as exposing the real reason for the invasion and occupation.
Rove, the voice of failure, speaks candidly here stating its all about the oil. Nice.
Give em the goddamned oil already! The oil system perpetuates the problems. We need a form of energy that doesn't rely on the middle east. This is the solution to the problem YOU created.
Sorry, but I couldn't make it through the whole clip. Watching Rove is like sipping castor oil—very slick and very unpalatable.
StirFry @ 9:
He's pitching the NEW threshold of oil pricing...........$200 a barrel.
Lately, US presence in the region has had a destabilizing effect. I think that would more likely be the factor contributing to higher prices.
Please help me annihilate a moronic wingnut over at youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYymnxoQnf8#qo7p1xth8JQ
#12 above, yeah what you said.
I think prices are heading to 200$ a barrel anyway. I don't think that is dependent at all on what happens in Iraq, but the story of what's going on in Iraq makes for a convenient backdrop.
I'm not rabidly anti-oil company even though I probably should be. But I like how they do what they do and get away with it.
Anything that happens causes the price to go up. Then it comes back down a little and we think we're getting a bargain even though the reason the price went up is usually bs and it never comes back down to what it was when whatever caused it to go up is over.
Then they have the nuts to tell us each year that they made record profits.
Great. Glad you're doing well. Now have the good sense to shut up about it.
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The funny thing is how people like Rove and Kristol and other neocon chickenhawks are still asked for opinions despite being demonstrably and catastrophically wrong for the past 7 years.
$200.00 a barrel! If McCrazy wins, it will be $400.00 a barrel when he goes to war with Iran or higher.
Karl Rove is a TRAITOR and should be in Prison for outing Valeria Plame. Why does fox news hire Criminals?? Maybe they are part of the neo-con conspiracy that lied us in the war and occupation of Iraq...so they spread propaganda and the oil companies and Halliburton may profit on the blood of our troops.
Still the politics of fear. Fear of weapons of mass destruction, fear of a small band of terrorists, fear that Iraq will descend into chaos if we pull our troops out, and now fear that gas prices will go through the roof if we end our occupation. This is all Rove knows how to do. His genius for bullshitting the American people without producing anything that benefits them is not admirable; it's loathsome! I see no good whatsoever in this man. All I see is an ability to create fear and hatred for the pupose of dividing and conquering the American political system. Rove should be rotting in prison instead of being paid and given a pulpit to spread his lying propaganda.
"Ana raicha Al Qaeda" is colloquial for "I'm going to the toilet". A very common and widespread use of the word "Al-Qaeda" in different Arab countries in the public language is for the toilet bowl. This name comes from the Arabic verb "Qa'ada" which mean "to sit", pertinently, on the "Toilet Bowl". In most Arabs homes there are two kinds of toilets: "Al-Qaeda" also called the "Hamam Franji" or foreign toilet, and "Hamam Arabi" or "Arab toilet" which is a hole in the ground. Lest we forget it, the potty used by small children is called "Ma Qa'adia" or "Little Qaeda".
So, if you were forming a terrorist group, would you call yourself, "The Toilet"?
In a refreshing change of pace, instead of comparing the GOP to Nazis (comparing your political enemies to Nazis is soooooo 2003), their desperate spin is more and more USSR-era Pravda than anything else. Problems aren't problems, awful problems are minor inconveniences, disasters are minor problems blown out of proportion by people you cna't trust because THEY'RE the ones trying to manipulate your emotions (not us, no siree), and if you really think thngs are bad now, imagine how much worse they'd be if we went away! We're the only thing standing between you and complete chaos! Vote Republican: WE'RE the Devil you know, NOT the devil you don't!
So, Karl Rove is Big Oil's newest mascot? I wonder if they are paying him under the table $100 an hour to spew out B.S.?
Rove and the lying bunch of incompetent crooks and fools in the Bush Whitehouse thought controlling Iraq would be like controlling Iowa, and that Baghdad would become like a Dallas on the Euphrates.
Every time I look at Rove, he reminds me of those black and white pics of German SS leaders. He just has the looks for a black death head uniform.
"we were not involved in the world before 9/11"
that is so dumb!
gowest272004 @ 24:
$100 per hour? I don't think any of us on this board would do it that cheap.
RHM
Rove looks nervous, really nervous. Time to start selling those Haliburton shares buttboy...
Mr. Bullshit himself telling us why oil will go to $200 a barrel? Guess again Karl. the price of oil is heading higher because the once mighty US dollar is increasingly worthless. Why is that? Because both parties are allowing a corrupt banking system known as the Federal Reserve continue to exist. When you keep printing dollars or create more of something ( anything) its value decreases. Simple supply and demand. This is why gold, silver and all commodities from wheat to corn to beef and pork are going through the roof. Bernanke wants to inflate his way out of this economic time bomb and it never has worked in the past and won't now.
Within the next few months, the Federal Reserve will have no other choice especially in an election year but to placate the electorate by creating more and more money as they are starting to now with the tax rebate. After this reabte, i guarantee you there will be others. By about the time 2010 comes around, gold will be beyond $5,000 an ounce and silver will be past $200. Those who were intelligent enough to start accumulating these metals now will be okay. But the Depression we will enter, will make 1929 look like a birthday party compared to what we will experience.
It's still not too late to turn this around, but in doing so the Federal Reserve system must be replaced with a constitutional treasury system of sound money.
Why Rove is the way he is.
hhhmmmmmmmmm... i looked this up a few months ago and don't have the number right here but as i remember it. oil was a 1.39 a gallon and oil around 22 dollars a barrel when w went into office. w, told the people of this country that he was a oil man and knew how to deal with these people (oil men) and if didn't chenny would have secret meetings that to this day we have no idea what went on. now does anyone honestly believe that this war was ever about anything except oil. face it america we are a nation of silly sheep. thank God the telecoms are watching us so close. just a imagine what could happen if we had civil liberties too, heaven forbid.
the real question are filling our gas tanks with blood now?
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How he can look himself in the mirror I can't understand.
Short version: Bush led the country into a minefield, and anyone who tries to lead us out is putting us all in jeopardy.
Brilliant, Karl.
yes, Rove *IS* confirming that the reason we stay in Iraq, is because of the oil, not the freedoms we wish for Iraq to have.
*IF* the majority of Iraqis wanted "Al Qaeda" in charge... thats the unfortunate side effect of a free and democratic state.
I use the term "intellectual jurisdiction" a lot. Karl Rove is outside of his intellectual jurisdiction. he's a good political advisor/strategist, for domestic-side politics. he propped Bush up into a position of power for Governor and eventually president.
but as soon as he opens his mouth about things in the global arena... well... he just makes the rest of us look bad.
You can stop inflation dead in its tracks if only our elected officials had the balls to stand up to the banks and corporate interests. Repeal the 16th amendment that created both the Federal Reserve system as well as the I.R.S. in 1913.
but the reality is that our invasion of Iraq is the reason oil prices have now breached the $100 mark in the first place
That's not entirely true. Prices are being driven by two powerful forces: one, the idiotic war in Iraq, and two, the fact that we're running out of oil. Slowly. But the demand continues to increase.
ALL of the giant oil fields (Ghawar - KSA, Burghan - Kuwait, Cantrell - Mexico, North Sea - UK/Norway, Texas/Alaska - USA) have peaked (in the case of Texas, DECADES ago). Now, it is smaller fields that are harder to find and pump that are coming on line that is keeping the world's production at a relatively flat plateau since May 2005. There will be no 120 million barrels a day production as promised 10 years ago. Ever. Everyone in any position of significant power knows this, even and especially the Bush Junta, as they were advised early on by Matthew Simmons who explained it all to them in 2001.
Yet: China continues to increase the amount of oil they are importing. The demand curve is still positive, but production is, overall, FLAT. That means higher prices. Forever.
The only people who DON'T seem to get it are the American Public, who would rather sit around watching TV in their McMansions made of particle board and duct tape, driving their fat stupid kids to school in giant SUVs, and blaming it on political issues, rather than facing the square and simple fact THE WORLD CANNOT ABIDE THE INDUSTRIAL SYSTEM AS IT IS PRESENTLY CONFIGURED. This means the world must reduce to a population of less than 1 billion within the next 150 years. I'll let you do the math on how many people will have to die without being replaced within the next 50 to make that happen. Don't like it? Tough shit. Mother Nature doesn't care. Never did. "Western Civilisation" must either change radically or disappear. The war in Iraq is a sideshow compared to what's really going down.
Sow the wind, and reap the whirlwind.
In Rove's childhood playing the board game Monopoly, he must have collected a lifetime supply of "Get of Jail Free" cards. There is truly no justice in America when his ilk are seen to profit and are given national platforms.
The real reason the Bush admin. invaded Iraq was to punish Saddam for pumping too much oil to try to pay off his debts. You see, by invading Iraq and cutting off the spigots, the Bush Admin, along with the Saudis and the OPEC cartel, have created artificial short supply of oil. Saddam was making gas too plentiful for OPEC. It's the same concept as sitting on diamonds creating artificial scarcity for something that is really plentiful. This goes for oil. We are swimming in it. The Bush admin blames the environmentalists for stopping the building of new refineries, but the admin. likes it that way. So do the Saudis. This creates another bottleneck for the supply for cheaper gas. Rove should go far. Look at Kissinger. He advised Bush on the Iraq war. You see the results. Rove should be getting prime jobs in the future for the fine work he has done for big oil.
how about a video of someone smart and interesting from today's shows instead of this same tired old bullshit from rove?
gary @ 33:
I did the math on another website several months ago. I looked up the price of gas the year I was born (1962) and used the rate of price increase during the Bush presidency to figure out how much gas would be right now if it had gone up at the same rate since that year. I don't remember the exact number but it was somewhere in the $50-$75/gallon range.
Just imagine if the dollars we are throwing away in Iraq ( nearly one trillion ) had been used to develope alternative formes of energy. We wouldn't be having this conversation now.
Tweakerbell-Unless the world stops using oil as a power sourse,your 150 year time limit will be moot.
That's so funny, look here http://samsonblinded.org/news/bush-schizophrenic-or-ignorant-1823 Bush don't want even talking to Iran because it keeps dissidents in jail, but that's exactly what Israel does, keeps Arab and Jewish dissidents in jails. Why don't Bush stop talking to Israel?
Neo-Isolationist? So according to Rove our only choices are isolationism or war. What about diplomacy/building alliances? I know it's a radical far out idea.
mo_dem @ 43:
There is no one smart and interesting on these shows.
There are very few who are smart and interesting in government.
Sad to see what a lifetime of ano-cranial inversion can do to a person.
It must a a different world "up there"...
Visuals explain it better.
At Last, Rove Admits: It was "Blood for Oil!" all along, stupid!
Check this one out
"When Mr. Obama or his Democratic rival, my fellow Yale Law School graduate Hillary Rodham Clinton, go after the oil companies and want to take away their profits, they are basically seeking to lower the income of the ordinary American." Ben Stein
I used to like Ben Stein. Why did he start speaking again? I liked him better when he was doing game shows and boring school teachers.
Tweakerbell @ 40:
Prices are being driven mainly by one powerful force, and that is the value of our dollar. Oil is mainly traded in dollars (See Bretton Wood) and the dollar is being devalued day after day. Look at the price of gold, silver, platinum and other metals. (http://www.kitco.com/market) They're going up as much (or in some cases more) than oil and we certainly aren't running out of metals anytime soon. Silver is up over 21% this year (thank GOD I bought some last year). In fact, if you were to price oil in gold rather than dollars, the price of oil has only gone up about 20% since the 1970's. (paraphrased Peter Schiff quote there).
However, one of the reasons the value of the dollar is going down is because of our spending on the Iraq war. We're having to either borrow money from other countries to finance the war, or we're printing the money, further devauling our dollar.
Once again the F word network shows why they're so fair and balanced. Why hasn't this guy been brought up on charges yet?
C.Criner @ 50:
Oh dear God, THAT WAS FRIGGIN' FUNNY!
Rove's suggestions that oil prices will soar to $200 per barrel if we pull out of Iraq is just more fearmongering, pure and simple. No different than saying that we will be attacked by al Qaeda if we restrict ourselves within theframework of FISA.
Timmy D11 @ 27:
Stop posting this please. Once is enough
Tweakerbell @ 40:
Permit me to toss in reason #3. The declining U.S. dollar is causing oil prices to increase. The huge deficits need to be cheapened by a cheaper dollar, hence oil producer will seek more dollars (so long as they continue to accept dollars). As Reagan said, we can live beyond our means by borrowing, but only for a limited period of time. Now the vicarious tax of inflation will be kicking in to pay for all this borrowing.
$6.00 a gallon gas? OMG! By all means please kill as many of our children as is necessary to keep that from happening! And really, now that I think of it, destroying another country is a small price to pay for not having to take public transportation.
Tweakerbell @ 37:
That's exactly the sort of vengeful deity talk that gives progress a bad name.
The House just passed a bill which would chop off 20% of Big Oil's tax benefits, for redeployment in alternative fuels and such. It will not survive the Senate, but next year, Big Oil knows what is coming.
There is more than enough solar power available to supply our actual needs, and our technology just has to rise to the challenge. FAR more important than Peak Oil apocalypticism is finding some way to restrict the neonicotinate (pesticide) destruction of bees and (indirectly) bats. IF we don't turn their decline around, we are toast.
I am opposed to the war in Iraq because;it is cheaper to buy oil than to steal oil.
Crime does not Pay!
Only in America would a traitorous lying sack of shit like Rove get a soapbox to jump on and continue to lie to US citizens. Sad times indeed.
Someone should remind Rove that oil was $20 a barrel before the Bush administration invaded Iraq. Oil hasn't skyrocketed because of supply concerns, it has skyrocketed because of increased RISK of supply disruptions, AS A DIRECT RESULT of the invasion of Iraq. Not 9-11, not Amedinejad, not Raul Castro, not Vladimir Putin. BUSH.
L.A. Confidential @ 48:
Sad, isn't it? Stein is a delusional cro magnon who really believes that trickle down economics works. He must have a poster of Commander Vanderbilt in his office. Some day, people will look back at his kind as being the most greedy and self centered people who ever lived.
Radically Moderate @ 12:
That must have come out of the last White House staff meeting. The sole remaining goal of this regime is to get oil to $200/barrel and that should take care of the fund raising for the Bush library. If they can do that they'll make that 1% all supermega-multi billionaires so the job of Bush and Cheney will finally be completed.
In all seriousness, from top to bottom all of these people need to be institutionalized at a mental healthcare facility. It's a given that they're all sociopaths but they're also pathological liars and if not that they're very delusional. You can't look at the world as is it and continue to spout off that all is well. Clinton handed them a world that was in pretty decent shape (and yes Clinton had his faults like NAFTA but overall a good President) and they have turned it into a hand grenade that's being held with sweaty hands and the pin has been pulled. All is well though and in their minds if they can only make it a few more months then it will all be the Democrats fault don't you know.
Had we only had a Supreme Court back in 2000 that did their job honestly this nightmare wouldn't have happened. Had we had citizens who had listened to the Texans who had survived the Bush Governorship we wouldn't be living this nightmare. We may have had a Republican President but at least it wouldn't have been Bush and I don't think anyone but Bush could have been manipulated by those in the shadows as he has been. Had we had a Democratic candidate willing to fight the stolen 2000 election we may have been able to thwart the Supreme Courts political hatchet job. Of course none of that explains the 2004 election and other than the Ohio fiasco I just can't believe the citizens of this country voted for this Rapture Loving NeoCon poster boy. Had we had a media that did their job as well as a Congress that didn't put party over country (R) and conviction and strength (D) this wouldn't have gotten so far out of hand. In the end though we've spent 8 years being led by dry drunk cokehead born-again AWOL momma's boy who proved that he never met a problem that couldn't be solved by ignoring it and going on a brush clearing vacation.
I just hope that a significant number of people of this country have it in them to finally wake up; to first of all not let McCain within 100 miles (or years) of the White House and the resolve to accept the tough times ahead to put this country back on the tracks. We'll see...we'll see.
ScottKnick @ 56:
I live across the street from my job. I laugh every time I hear people cry about gas prices. Boo hoo... poor you... I have no credit cards; I have no car payment; I don't have to pay car insurance; and walking to the grocery store keeps me healthy and thin. The best part is; I get to spend all of my money on ME.
Paul in LA @ 59:
We humans think we're the most important things in the universe but the truth is the higher you are on the food chain the less important you are. Being at the top of the chain means we're 100% expendable. But kill the plankton in the ocean and see what happens.
ranch111 @ 39:
That's untrue. The real reason is AIRBASES.
The real target is Caspian Sea oil, and that design conflicts directly with Russia and China. The only way the US/Saudi oil cartel can be in that fight is by projecting military power in from the south. It has zero to do with US national security, and everything to do with the geopolitical greed of billionaires.
bass ackwards
Chuck @ 65:
Unfortunately it doesn't work that way for a whole lot of people. But more power to you. :)
Chuck @ 65:
Oil prices affect the price of your food directly.
Rove's very efficient at packing a large amount of BS in a short amount of time. Rove ignores or spins the polls. Bush canned or sidelined the generals who disagreed with "the surge," which most of them did, so it's not as if Bush has listened to the military, even if we ignore that we have a system of civilian leadership of the military.
Of course spending 2 to 3 billion per week on Iraq affects our economy. It's not just a talking point. Meanwhile, the Bush administration is bribing militias to keep the peace, which undermines the Iraqi central government. In other words, they're preventing the political reconciliation the surge was supposed to achieve in order to sell the illusion of the surge working.
We weren't involved in the world before 9/11?!? Not to mention him implicitly linking 9/11 and Iraq yet again. And Al-Qaeda is not going to suddenly take control of Iraq any more than the KKK are going to take over the U.S. government. Plus, he gets in another 9/11-Iraq suggestion.
"It's a cute thing in a primary." Rove belittles Obama as naive, inexperienced and lacking substance right before running with the meme of anti-Semitism they're trying to plant. Really, this is very compact, efficient hackdom.
I guess there were no police on hand at FOX studios to arrest Rove.
Paul in LA @ 70:
I go hunting and fishing and I grow a garden. Everything else I need I buy at the farmers market. I also do my own canning. I rarely shop at grocery stores.
I completely agree with anybody that says its time to look at alternative energy sources... I mean really, maybe $200 oil is a good thing if it makes alternative energy more cost effective in terms of investment. I don't drive, and with prices increasing its a real hurt to people, but maybe a couple of years ago, when all of these SUV and Hummers were being sold and bought, people might have considered what they would do with such gas-guzzlers.. Cars aren't supposed to be portable living rooms. You don't see Europe bitching about high gasoline prices.. They already have high prices, and as a result more fuel-efficient cars and are trying hard to harness solar, wind and hydro energy..
America only reacts when in crisis, and guess what, once Bush is gone, and Barrack takes office, I think he will move our country towards the 21-st century and policies that favor us being responsible in our energy use.
Stop funding the terrorists!
No more Oil Wars!
Energy Independence Now!
Drill in Anwar.
Build more nuclear power plants
Use More coal.
Use more natural gas
Turn trash into energy
Double the efficiency of windmills and solar cells.
If France can do nuclear power so can we.
If Brazil can do biomass/ethanol power so can we.
If Australia can do LNG power so can we.
Domestically produced energy will end the recession and spur the economy.
Stop paying oil dollars to those who worship daily at the alter of our destruction.
Preserve our Civil Rights and defend our Freedom by ending dependence on foreign oil.
Paul in LA @ 70:
Actually everything you buy since everything needs to be transported. That is unless you do your own manufacturing using raw materials from your area.
Chuck @ 73:
You still pay the price. Not as much as people who are less self sufficient than you, but you still pay the price.
That said, if more people in this country were 1/2 as self sufficient as you, had demanded vehicles with better gas mileage all these decade and bought as much local product as possible (product from less than 100 miles), our collective titteh wouldn't be in this ringer...
What a way to set up the economy to fall after they leave office. More propaganda on how the economy falling will be the fault of the next election just merely stepping into office. They are giving this election away, and wont let McCain win. If you been hearing the media, McCain is being repudiated by the right winger for not standing with the right winger no matter how preposterous the rightwing talking point are. McCain is not conservative enough for the rightwinger? No.....it's more like the GOP is at the bottom in the rating, and they rather take the sinking ship down for the party, and blame it on the others.
The mere hint of $200 a barrel sound like they are letting us get ready for those prices and suck it up when it comes. We all knew that this was for the oil. But the mere suggestion that we needed to go in there and take it from them because of Al_Quieda, just confirm this and that this Bush regime is not a Republican Capitalist. If the Iraqi wanted to sell oil for $200 a barrel then that is their right to set their own prices, and they would know that in a capitalist system that we would buy from a cheaper market whenever possible. Being the third largest oil export, The Bush administration purposefully stop the flow of oil from Iraq to raise the market value of oil. We haven't got oil selling in Iraq yet. The country is such state of disrepair, that as soon as we are out of there, they would be selling those oil cheap and fast.
This is such outrageous propaganda!
Al Qaeda in Iraq is only 1-3% of the Iraqi Resistance. Iraq is Shiite, how the hell is Sunni Al Qaeda going to take over Iraq? The dark cloud of cognitive dissonance hangs heavy over the U.S. Military Government Media. Karl Rove should be "brought to justice"!
rend @ 27:
The worst part is that many of the "rah rah rah go team go!" people think that way.
Paul in LA @ 70:
Hi Rockstar! Can't stick around, but I'll check back later to see what you've laid down here. I'm sure it'll be worth reading, as always...maybe I'll catchya later in the pm.
P.S. OT and don't get mad, but I too prefer hole-to-nirvana, call me a horndog if ya like, lol ;-}
is there anywhere in DC that sells glaser safety slugs? i will need some when i get out there next time. justice will only be served by those who seek it. the law means nothing to this scumbag. why should he be allowed to hide behind it?
Post Americans @ 79:
Wouldn't that require an actual Justice Dept.?
we were not involved in the world prior to 9/11????
what world does rove live in?
and he never talked to a dem....he made that story up...no dem in his right mind would have a chat with rove
any good dem would smash that fuck right in the kisser
CafeenMan @ 83:
A single barrel of oil and a subcompact car (with a sunroof) he can be strapped into.
About Rove as a spokesman: Exactly when has this Administration been right about anything relative to Iraq? This is like asking the perennial race-track loser for tips on the next race....
Karl Rove and Fox News trying to rewrite history? No one could have anticipated untruths coming from such credible sources.
poetryman69 @ 75:
This message from the power industry is for your own good.
Hey, our oil not good enough for you? Then wait until you're hip-deep in a nuclear waste spill. That's some real living.
Don @ 86:
They have always been right about Iraq. Perfect place for airbases, if you can crash the country and kill enough people. Why should people get in the way of MONEY?
One day I pulled up to the intersection in my 50cc moped next to a Big Black Hummer. It was a kid sitting in the driver seat of the Hummer, and I am 46 years old sitting in my 70 MPG moped. I am conserving my oil usage for his future, and all the new generation that are coming. They say that in 15 years it will be scarce for the general population. The Pentagon says that in 20 year most city will be under water. I am not just thinking of Gas prices, but thinking the need for survival. Going to chaos with military might is the quickest way to death. If we had spent all this money on new resource of energy instead of the war, we would have been better off. We would have been able to install hydro station across all America and be driving in a new non-pollutant car for the money that we spent on this war.
OK, wasn't as stomach-wrenching as I thought it might be..
he came about as close to saying the Iraq war is/was about oil, without actually producing documents, lol,
as I personally have heard 'anyone' (Well, in this propaganda media empire, doesn't mean much, true.)
say publically.
I'm not a Politician or whatever, but if I'm in a bad job, a bad place,
a bad relationship, I get out.
CafeenMan @ 83:
Back in the good old days a barrel of tar and a bag of chicken feathers were all the justice you needed.
Timmy D11 @ 14:
I'm on the way!
Why is this bitch allowed a public forum anywhere? Please, someone exlplain this to me.
wow! he basically admitted he cares f*ck-all about the people of Iraq, but that it is all about controlling OIL prices and buying time for the US's oil hungry economy to stay at the top of the world before recession... wow! as the main reason! Of course I knew this, but for him to be so cynical about it and hear him say it after so many people have died... its just gross! ugh... so unfortunately I watched the whole thing and feel like I just drank castor oil indeed... cant wait for K. Olbermann to put him straight.
L.A. Confidential @ 22:
Why not, they sure do a crappy job of scaring us!
Chuck @ 92:
Chuck, thank you. Since the 'Military Commissions Act' basically pardons and
prevents prosecution for any and all alleged crimes of this Administration,
that, is well, one option, at this time.
Hey Karl, you know a good way to stave off $200/barrel oil?
How about we follow Europe's lead and for a North American Union. By combining the US's Chanda's & Mexico's avialable oil & natural gas reserves, we cover most of the continent's needs.
Mandate more efficient buildings and appliances, cars, trucks, buses and rail systems.
That will obviate the need for any involvement in Iraq vis a vis oil.
poetryman69 @ 75:
Yes, Canada is such a drain on the U.S. economy, oh save us from the evils of the Canucks! :rolleyes.:
Most oil the U.S. imports comes from Canada these days....
HDon @ 10:
Indeed! And while Rove and FAUX news keeps the attention on the oil the nation, including us in the 'sphere, remain ignorant of programs which could remove our dependence on any oil for energy such as:
Solar Grand Plan
So yes Rove is still getting the job done as this post and the comments show. Folks, educate yourselves on the alternatives to $10.00 gal gas before it's too, too fucking late.
Rove is still playing the country and us for fools.
Wake the Fuck Up!
CafeenMan @ 4:
I read an article recently about the phenomena of why psychopaths rise to the top:
1. They want power.
2. They don't have the inner emotional-moral stuff that stops normal people from doing/saying awful things, so they are capable of taking horrendous measures to accomplish what they want to - without inhibition nor regret.
I think this piece does a great disservice by not pointing out the full scenario associated with the price of oil. Oil did NOT cross the $100/barrel threshold simply because of the Iraq disaster. A range of reasons, including the ruthless operation of the logistic function and the blind eye that has been turned to that issue by government, business and consumers alike, exploding competition for oil resources from other economies, and a deficit-crippled, teetering US economy coupled with a deeply sagging dollar are contributing to send oil in the $200/barrel direction NO MATTER what happens in Iraq. Rove and his desperate band must know this and must understand at some level their abject complicity in it. I suspect and as always, they are trying to lay the ground so that when that inevitably happens and the associated suffering ensues, he and his fellow hacks can blame their political enemies. Sic semper propagandists.
It would be wiser, and indeed more truthful, to point out that at EVERY juncture the willfully ignorant policies of this administration and its enablers in the legislature and the electorate have relentlessly pulled us into this death spiral with our addiction to oil.
Rove in Vancouver last month.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i9eIj5p2b4 5 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsDLcMY8n5Y 30 seconds
http://bestoftheblogs.com/uploaded_images/rove_arrest-711970.jpg 1 second
I was wondering when the administration would be forced to play the 'oil card'. There was no question in my mind that Iraq had Vietnam written all over it. I certainly was not alone in thinking so. Many Vietnam vets and history scholars could see the the similarities. Granted, there are differences as well. However, what was most important was the knowledge that we were going to leave a sizable occupation force to protect our interests. So, what are those interests?
Anyone that could see through the administration's lies could not help but conclude that oil was the primary motivator. But, there is also the strategic reason for occupying Iraq. Israel has long wanted a pro-Israel state in the mid-east. The American pro-Israel lobby has been working overtime to bring this about. They have members on the National Defense Advisory Council. The right-wing media is inundated by them (Perle, Woolsey, Sapphire, Kristol, etc). Israel actually wanted us to invade Iran. But, Cheney was dead-set on Iraq and no one was going to challenge him. Looking at how the US has been building up Iraq (forward bases, oil field security, mega compound, etc), it is obvious we have never had any plans to leave the country. Fortunately, the majority of Americans do not buy into this plan and the administration's lies have been exposed. So, what do they have left to terrorize us with? Oil.
Rove is, and will continue to be, an unofficial mouthpiece for the administration. It is a good position for him to be in. He can float ideas and opinions, which he could not do if he was still part of the administration. As a FOX commentator, he is simply expressing his opinion, if what he says blows up. I am afraid we are in for a lot more of the same from Carl Buddy.
AQ has never ever controlled any country and can't do so with Iraq, it's simply not possible.
#105 "AQ has never ever controlled any country and can’t do so with Iraq, it’s simply not possible."
I can think of one country in which AQ has had so much influence that it's mere existence has almost obliterated the country's Constitution and Bill of Rights. Care to take a guess which one that is?
Paul in LA @ 88:
True. Ask those people over by Chernobyl how it's going these days.
His administration promised us that Iraq's oil would pay for this war. Wrong!
There was no al Qaida in Iraq before the war. Al Qaida is there because of, and to exploit, anti-occupation sentiment. Why does Rove think they'll al Qaida will be any sort of player in Iraq if we leave when anti-occupation sentiment will no longer be there? He's wrong again.
And you believe every lie which comes from the mouth of Rove , Bush and the republicans. You probably are a great supporter of McCain and his 100 year war.
What gives Bush and the military-industrial complex the right to do as Hitler had, in 1920-1940's. They believe they have the authority to invade a country based on their lies and propaganda and take what they d... well please,, (for the wealth and power of "corporations").
If the oil companies would have done real research into other sources of energy with their huge criminal profits,, we would not be as dependent on their power and control of oil.
The Bush family life long friend,,, "Saudi Arabia" which the Bush Jr.$ Sr. have invaded Iraq for on two occasions to kill Saudi' enemy Saddam,, and destroy Iraq's country. Saudi is one of the largest backers of terrorist which hate and are killing our soldiers in Iraq. Saudi Arabia teaches hate toward the western world to their children starting in their school.
Bin Laden is a citizens from Saudi Arabia , 15 of the 19 terrorist flying the planes of 911 were citizens of Saudi Arabia, the largest backers and citizens fighting and killing our soldiers in Iraq were from Saudi Arabia.
At least 2 of the terrorist of 911 were traced to funds from Saudi Arabia and of course Bush a life long friend of the Saudis' family , stopped investigation into the Saudi and also sent their family members home from our country after 911 home with no security investigation while no one else or airplanes could take off or enter our country.
Bush and his republican administration has shown in the past 7 years , the results from their criminal policies , and for anyone to believe that their policies benefit the American citizens have been asleep for the last 30 years. The only ones benefiting from Bush/Cheney's policies are the wealthy , oil companies , Global corporations , Bush's family and friends.
If you notice the American citizens are the ones in a recession not the Oil companies , Blackwater, Halliburton , Exxon , Bush Sr.'s Carlyle group , Bush's friends like Rumsfeld , Ashcroft and others with the historical profits they are making. Bush has shown that he doesn't know/care what the price of oil is...
Bush has spent more money in his 7 years in office then all previous administration combined , then Rove , Bush , Cheney and the republicans talks of democrats spending. Of course when/if a democrat takes office all this criminal steal of our tax money, social programs , military spending and selling of our country will be blamed on the democrats when they try to correct the disaster Bush and the republicans have create.
Bush has cut taxes on the wealthy , oil companies , Global corporations , created bills to give tax welfare to corporation for sending their manufacturing plants and jobs to foreign countries, sells our resources to private corporations & even foreign nations with ties to terrorist , cut our social programs while creating a military budget which is greater then the rest of the world combined , gave no-bid contracts to his friends and family with no over site costing many billions of tax dollars which were stolen and unaccounted for , destroy our constitution & laws , destroyed our government agencies by placing his robots in charge then outsourcing government jobs to private contractors and "foreign countries" , the manufacturing of equipment/parts/ and security for our military has been contracted to foreign countries , our food supply is not longer fix for human consumption with Bush's deletion of inspectors who check the quality of food supply.
Biggest LIE of them all: The US was not ISOLATIONIST, it was INTERVENTIONIST. That is why we had 9/11 as BLOWBACK. Of course the war mongers would insist that we don't exert enough control from the barrel of a gun over the rest of the world.
Its almost hilarious how the neocon-quistadors are trying to spin that our current financial troubles are the fault of them ie a faceless horde of people outside the US intent on our collapse.
I think Karl is plugging into the meme from MSN financial diarist Scott Burns from 02/13/08 Did terrorists cause the housing mess?
Its not as if the disastrous and kindergarten level Republican financial and foreign policies had anything to do with it, is it !
In Britain theres laws governing how politicians conduct the public finances, if some councilor runs their budget down into the ground and lawyers deem it negligent or criminal then they get prosecuted and fined etc.
If its up at the Parlimentay level then enough MPs will rebel (of all parties) and force a vote of no confidence in the Prime minister and or the Chancellor, and heads roll., governments collapse and things change.
Sadly in the US theres no real checks on the
dictatordeciderbuffoonPresident and once it goes downhill, its down all the way for ride to the dumps.Of course theres Congressional oversight, but with bad or corrupt leadership in Congress and fanatical partisans placed in the various gov agencys theres no little hope of keeping the morons from damaging the economy and the US's standing in the world.
My stomach can barely take a Rove or Fox post, but please no Rove AND Fox post.
"We were not involved in the world before 9/11." "We were not involved in the world before 9/11." "We were not involved in the world before 9/11."
Really??!!?? Say it enough and it will be true.
Oil is going to $200 a barrel, regardless. Dick Cheney & Co., made it so in their behind-closed-doors-energy-policy-meetings. I'm no prophetic; just watch.
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Edwin @ 113:
Its going to be chaotic and not nice for America when oil goes higher, theres a lot of people who will happily pay whatever to fill their SUV, but the US in general and a lot of poorer people are going to suffer big time.
Europe and a lot of places has more compact towns and cities with good public transport for their populations.
Post WW2 America is built and designed on cheap gasoline, urban sprawl and the suburbs are extreme examples of this.
Theres already reports and stories of the ghost towning of some suburbs, sometimes it happens due to industry moving, sometimes to gas prices and better jobs elsewhere.
There was one article claiming people are moving back to the cities and abandoning the 'burbs', then they transform into rental areas rather than owner occupier areas. And of course empty properties attract vandals, squatter and looters.
al qeada makes up a VERY small percentage of the violence in Iraq, if the US pulled out al qeqda would be forced out by the Iraqi's.
rove is like a pile of stinking cow shit.
if you step in it...it is just hard as hell to get off.
rove would drive all the pigs on a methane pig farm
into hysteria with his verbal ass-gas.
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Everybody should realize something. Karl Rove was just FIRED by the Bush administration. That's right, he was FIRED. He didn't resign to spend time with his family, as we were told...because he's spent all his time with Newsweek and TV networks since his demise. His family probably hasn't seen him for ten minutes in the last three months. That excuse was 100% bullshit.
So, folks...IGNORE THE SON-OF-A-BITCH. Stop printing his press releases. If some TV network gives him a forum, IGNORE IT. He's a has-been, O.K.?
Lies Lies Lies Yeah - Thompson Twins
The day before the war, gas was $1.31 here...
Mmm, fact-free spin. Now with neurotoxic nutrasweet!
"...we were not involved in the world before 9/11..."
What a lying douchebag. That comment made me puke all over my keyboard.
I look at Carl Rove and wonder Why God made him. I thought he had more sense.
Anybody think that BushCo and Bushie and Rove are on a mission to destroy America and the it's already mission accomplished. Maybe Americans, the democrats and MSM are too stupid and want America to be destroyed.
Nancy Pelosi, the Democrats and American people are so scared of Busho and al Queda that all they do is wet their pants. No logic or defiance, sorta like the books "Silence Of The Lambs". Being evil and getting away with it is so easy in America.
Rove is not a respected member of the MSM sort of like New York Times, the Washington Post and Wally Street Journal.
Anyway, Commondreams and Alternet are one of the only semi-reliable source of news. NY Times - "All the news that is unfit to print" and Washington Post - best newspaper for bird cage lining and picking up cat and dog droppings.
"Rove calls Senator Barack Obama a 'Neo-Isolationist' for daring to say that we shouldn’t have invaded Iraq in the first place...."
Aha! I was bothered by this remark of Herr Karlheinz Roef until you put it in context with the C&L recap of Fox Noise Sunday's "interview" of Roef by Chrissy Boy Wall-ass. The statement makes no sense. I mean, Obama is the candidate who was criticized by the neocons (and Hillary!) for saying we ought to practice engagement with foreign leaders -- even leaders of totalitarian or terrorist nations -- to see if we can't get cooperation and concessions. Barack even quotes JFK as saying, "We should never negotiate out of fear, but we should never fear to negotiate"; it's part of his rote stump speech (growing a little weary by now, BTW). Talk about strange bedfellows!
Hillary jumped on him because such a policy sounds like dealing from weakness, and Hillary knows she has to appear as tough as any male running for the job. Now, Herr Roef jumps on Obama for doing exactly what Barrack is not proposing: isolationism. Obama doesn't equate withdrawal from Iraq as isolationism at all. He simply thinks that we should restore our moral authority in the world -- win back the respect of other nations -- by talking to our enemies. An old saying goes, "As long as you're talking, you ain't killing."
Engagement has proved to be anathema to the Bush administration. This is the same old Karlheinz. He's a pragmatist who's figured out that since McPain is the inevitable GOP candidate, one might as well back him: "anyone but Hillary." McPain's foreign policy is merely an extension of Bush, such that he might be viewed as "Bush III." It's going to be the same old rosary: bully tactics to secure petroleum and proactive combat with a semi-privitized army that has GOP cronies raking in the profits, including all those KBR and Halliburton equities held in Prick Cheanie's "blind trust." (Blind my ass!)
As I've maintained all along, the GOPS much prefer Obama as a candidate because they can borrow Hillary's talking points (including lack of experience). They'll use surrogate dirty tricksters to play up his "Islamist religious background," "drug use," and "Hussein, Hussein, Hussein." Then there's the "crooked real estate deal" involving an indicted Chicago crook. Hillary is a lot more formidable, cause she's already fought these wars. Remember when Bill was under attack and she complained about a "vast right wing conspiracy"? If you read David Brock's Blinded by the Right, you come to realize that Hillary wasn't just fantasizing. She learned our '60s hipster slogan, "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean nobody's out to get you."
The polls may show that Obama edges out McPain in a fall election, but they're pre-conspiracy polls. The GOP neocons have co-opted McPain and will work closely with him to spread the Goebbels-inspired lies that will get Bush III in the White House, where the poor old fool will sleep through strategy sessions in the Oval Office. (Has anyone noticed how he seems to be doddering of late?) He's too old for the job. And too much like his predecessor.
rove is a steaming pile of shit a liar a fool and just a plain ignorant asshole!
Does any one watch the talking head shows anymore? Not me! If I see anything these corporate whores have to say it's here. I refuse to watch the lying crap that covers the TV screen!
James Ratliff @ 128:
Be careful... C&L has its own agenda too. You won't find real news here, only a lame critique of the shitty mainstream media from a fake liberal viewpoint.
The reichwing don't want to increase the supply of oil by withdrawing from our occupation, or new drilling (which they claim they want.)
Increased quantiy supply would lower quantity demand and drop prices.
Of course if we did increase supply they would just turn around and sell it to countries like India and China.
I think global warming is a conservative conspiracy to sell air-conditioners to Eskimos.
I periodically tune in NPR, mostly to track the progress of their descent into the darkside, as neocon cheerleaders and propagandists. I did so this morning, just in time to hear Cokie Roberts dutifully mouthing Rove's meme's, and taking it one step further. She was trying to advance the notion that the majority of Americans approve of the war and the "progress" that is being made, and - as if she were offering wise and supportive counsel to the Obama and Clinton campaigns, suggested that they were hurting their chances of winning by contiunually focusing on the war. She cited a poll from the LA Times (that communist hotbed of liberal-fascist media), which claimed that a "plurality"(her words) of Democrats approve of and support McCain (implying that it is OK for Democrats to vote for him). She was not challenged in any of this by the fawning douchebag who was interviewing her, as if she were knowlegable, as if she had any gravitas, as if she had any credibility. I turned the radio off at that point, no longer able to stomach the lying. My total listening time: ~ 1.5 minutes.
NPR is actively engaged in trying to manipulate their listeners into adopting the GOPer/ fascist party line. And my local pulic radio station wonders why I no longer support them.
kkkarl rove is a BLIGHT on humanity.
Has somebody produced an Anti-Karl serum yet?
I quit my subscription to TIME when Bill Kristol showed up in those pages... and now I'm going to have to quit Newsweek too.
If I ever see KKKarl on the streets of Austin, I would spit on his shoes.
It's funny because high oil prices would and currently do benefit Bush & Co.
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