Joe Lieberman - Our Next Secretary Of Defense?
By Logan Murphy Tuesday Mar 11, 2008 11:50am
If John McCain is our next President it's not just possible, it's a good bet -- and an invasion of Iran would be inevitable. How long would it take? Six months? A year? The very thought of Lieberman as head of State, Defense or DHS scares the hell out of me.
From Raw Story:
If Sen. John McCain (D-AZ) prevails in his bid to keep the White House in Republican hands for the next four years, one of his most hawkish colleagues could find himself overseeing the Department of Defense, State or Homeland Security within a McCain White House.
Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman, the Democrats' onetime vice presidential nominee who left the party last year, is seen as a likely McCain pick for a cabinet level appointment, according to Roll Call:
Atop McCain’s short list, according to closely aligned Republican Senators and aides, likely would be two of the Arizonan’s most vocal supporters: Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) for attorney general or Sen. Joe Lieberman (ID-Conn.) as secretary of State, Defense or Homeland Security. Graham and Lieberman have been stumping for McCain for months and are considered two of the most loyal and ardent backers of his Iraq War policy. Read on...
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Frist!
Lindsey Graham for attorney general is recapturing the Gonzales era.... and it would be a bad bad tremendously bad move for McCain.
If McCain is elected I will know: Our elections are entirely rigged, and my new home will be in a different country (looks like I'll have trouble moving to the Middle East though...)
Umm....
What the heck?
Just what we need, another batch of clowns in the White House.
Can't we pin a scandal to Lieberman already and get him out of office? Man I'd pay to find out he was getting filthy with some hookers.
Bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran
Bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran
Bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran
Bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran
Man, I'm glad the commander of CentCom prevented Bush from bombing Iran for so long, but now that he is gone, it's only a matter of time.
yes, that is what we need, the good traitor from israel as the next sec of defense....
LAUGHING MY ASS OFF!
Lieberman is so selfish he'd probably whine about not being allowed to keep his Senate seat as well.
it won't happen
it can't happen
the very fate of the world depends on the american voter this election.
Vote Clinton/Clinton '08.
That'll make it happen.
Matt Hussein in Texas @ 8:
Hahahahaha.
Lieberman would be secretary of war. Any of these appointments make it more important that we get a overwhelming majority in the house and senate.
Elmer Fudd as the next SOD? Jebus.....
And maybe Zell Miller will be Secretary of Yelling at Kids Skateboarding in the Mall.
Here's my prediction for McCain's VP:
David Petraeus
Oh yeah, I almost forgot, something about Israel's infiltration of the American executive being complete if this occurs.
Oh, HELL NO! Lieberman is Mr. PsychoF@#k extraordinaire.
Look at that pic...Can't you just see them making national defense decisions over a game of pinocle.
Yellow Elephant Safari (Hussein) @ 13:
Zell Miller for White House Spokesman!!
WhenIsItEnough @ 14:
Here's mine: Dick Cheney.
If your happy and you know it Bomb Iran
Lieberman did not "leave his party"..he was rejected by it. Why is this man's current condition described as something he wanted? He campaigned to be the Democratic party's candidate for US Senator from Ct. and was rejected. He refused to listen to the people of Ct. and ran a campaign aimed at Republicans. This is the man we speak of. And it is time that someone call a spade a spade..this man will use America's resourses, including its blood, for any purpose he sees as advantageous to Israel. That is where his loyalties lie..not to America but Israel.
CheneyIsADick @ 19:
Betrayus is going to be the head of the Joint Chiefs.
Dick Cheney is going to be Ambassador to Transylvania.
Liberal AND Proud @ 17:
Heh -- I picture them ordering the bombing of Tehran while playing shuffleboard on the deck of an aircraft carrier.
WhenIsItEnough @ 4:
that right from the raw story text. sometimes they bone one.
I hope they keep loading up this old man's plate with bushco sympathizers...the one thing that trumps all else is the thought of rewarding the Repugs with another four years after the previous eight. Go ahead, put Condi on the ticket as VP...put the Senator from SC in as AG (after all what's a Repug administration without one in the closet?)...and by all means bring the Liebman in as SD, or how about SOS? (by the way, is it possible to hold high office while having dual citizenship - US and Israel?)...talk about scaring people into wiping out the Republicans before they can wipe out the country.
What the hell - why not Pat Buchanan or John Bolton as Sec.of State?
He might just choose from the list of "Team McCain" 08
Foreign policy, national security advisors
• Henry Kissinger - Former U.S. secretary of State.
• William Kristol - Editor of the Weekly Standard, a Washington-based political magazine.
• Robert Kagan - A senior associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and a columnist on world affairs.
• Randy Scheunemann - Consultant who was defense and foreign-policy coordinator to McCain's 2000 presidential campaign. Like Kagan and Kristol, he also is listed as a director of the Project for the New American Century, a non-profit conservative organization whose self-stated goal is to promote American global leadership.
• Gary Schmitt - Senior fellow at the conservative Project for the New American Century. He is an author and served under President Reagan as executive director of the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board.
• Stephen Biegun - Ford Motor Co. vice president and former national security adviser to Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn. He also served as executive secretary of the National Security Council at the White House from 2001 to 2003.
• Brent Scowcroft - National security advisor under President George H.W. Bush and fellow board member with McCain on the International Republican Institute, a democracy building organization that McCain chairs.
• Colin Powell - Former secretary of State and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
• Niall Ferguson - A professor of history at Harvard and prolific author.
• Barry McCaffrey - Retired Army general and former White House drug czar under President Bill Clinton.
• Robert Zoellick - Former Deputy Secretary of State and former U.S. trade representative.
• Richard Armitage - Former deputy secretary of State..
• Eliot Cohen - Conservative professor of military affairs at the School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University.
• Robert Kimmitt - Deputy secretary of the Department of the Treasury; former ambassador to Germany.
• Andrew Krepinevich - Retired Army officer who is now executive director at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments that focuses on defense spending and planning.
• Ralph Peters - Retired Army office and author.
• Charles Larson - A retired Navy admiral, who twice served as superintendent of the U.S. Naval Academy. He ran unsuccessfully as a Democratic candidate for lieutenant government of Maryland in 2002 and now serves on the board of directors of the Northrop Grumman Corp., a defense company.
• Bernard Aronson - Former assistant secretary of State for inter-American affairs.
• Lorne Craner - President of the International Republican Institute. He served as assistant secretary for democracy, human rights, and labor under Secretary of State Colin Powell.
Lindsey Graham as Attorney General? Bwahahahahahahaha. Stop it, you’re killing me.
“Graham graduated from the University of South Carolina Columbia with a B.A. in Psychology in 1977 and from its school of law with a J.D. in 1981.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham
(I also saw above that he adopted his sister. That makes him his sisters’ father. Hehehehe.)
What is a J.D.?
“[T]he J.D. is a professional doctorate that concentrates on practical skills and requires no study of the history and philosophy of law.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juris_Doctor
However, in the eyes of a Republic, he is eminently qualified. (As long as they continue to say Democrat instead of Democratic, I will be saying Republic instead of Republican. And yes I can.)
Ahh the pasty white Depends brigade! 65+ years of prejudice, ignorance, cynicism, and many terms in power gives them the experience we need!
Again one MUST ask ..
WTF were the Dems thinking when they chose Lieberman as Gore's running mate in 2000?
My *only* explanation is that this was the Corporatists "Plan B" - just like putting LBJ on the ticket with JFK was "Plan B" back in 1960.
What to do if GW Bush didn't win the White House?
Just what they did when Nixon lost to JFK - one magic bullet in Dallas and *poof* the Corporatists had their man in the White House despite the outcome of the election.
Come the November elections, Lieberman's going to become irrelevant. Watch Hillary, finally grasping she isn't going to be the party's nominee, pull a Lieberman and leave the party and run under one of her own creation. Blind ambition combined with evil bears no good fruit.
Wow. AIPAC's wet dream.
God help the USA and the world if McCain becomes President!!!
L.A. Confidential @ 27:
I notice that they're all men. It'd be interesting to know the age of the youngest of these. Cabinet meetings would be done by 4:00 p.m. so they could make it to the senior Early Bird specials at local buffets.
ARRRGH!! ...If this is truly a possibility? Fuck it, just shoot me now and get it over with... John (I sold my soul to get a chance at the brass ring) McCain as bushIII with Joe (his picture defines DINO in the dictionary) Lieberman as SOD.... for the next four friggin years??!!! THAT IS NUTS!!! Just plain over the rainbow insane...
I'm am so sick and over this shit... Totally beginning to feel like a complete sham and charade.. All of it from the media steerage/manipulation of the black dude verses the white chic must see standoff, to the revisionist meme that McCain isn't actually a short tempered asshole who sold his principals out to suck up to Bush but rather and elder statesman with the haha 'right stuff', to the notion that media/corporate consolidation is in fact good for journalism/the nation, to must wage war against the muslim hordes or we're lost, to whatever pablum and bullshit we are being fed today.... It's all bullshit.. I want to get off this insane fucking merry-go-round....
What the hell has happened to this nation, this planet, this fucking species... Have we actually reached the point where the sum total of our existence amounts to no more than greed, egotism and kill kill kill???? Might makes right??? These people we speak of shouldn't be in the news as possible leaders... They should be marginalized and laughed off the public stage.. But because I see this insanity for something other than the public memo to accept, I'm the fucking lunatic, the wingnut, the scary monster... I hope to (your choice of deity here) that we wake the hell up, because it's really getting to be twilight zone around here......JD
jebus.love.me @ 6:
He said an invasion of Iran would not happen on his watch. Now he's resigned.
So we will have a secretary of defense who has no military service whatsoever? NY Times: "Joseph I. Lieberman, 61 Received student deferments from 1961 through 1967 while at Yale and Yale Law School. After finishing law school, received a parental deferment with his wife pregnant."
And a president who is admittedly bad with finances......
Sounds like a great ticket
danger @ 5:
Nah...he's not the type...he "gets off" on the blood of our dead soldiers
You knew this was coming. If the Dems pick up a few more seats in the Senate (good odds on that happening), then Lieberman becomes the junior Senator from CT, losing his committee chairmanships. His only hope to retain any kind of power would be to suck up to McCain in exchange for a chance at VP or other cabinet level post in his administration.
With Kristol as a national security adviser, McCain would be VERY successful, provided he did the exact opposite of everything Kristol advised him to do.
WhenIsItEnough @ 14:
And Joe Betrayus for SOD!
Get your passports today as there is no way out of Jesusland without them.
Do you think McCrazy will appoint Denis Kucinich as Secretary of Peace?
I'm guessing McLame's spiritual adviser will be Dead-Eye Dick Cheney?
Liberal AND Proud @ 22:
nirak @ 33:
This country will be never the same following a McLame presidency. The destruction he would cause would be historic. We would no longer recognize this nation as a viable leader in democracy and freedom.
Liberal AND Proud @ 22:
Correction: Or governor of Iran, maybe?
Why wait!? Does anyone think Gates is going to last much longer? Look at him - this big bad crook from Texas is whimpering like an abused puppy after barely one year with Team Bush. Joe is the biggest whiner and whimperer and brown noser in all of politics -he certainly has earned a Bush merit badge of some kind.
Since Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer are 'such good friends' with Lieberman, the best way to get rid of him permanently is for everyone to suggest that Bush give him the job RIGHT NOW.
And maybe then, the voters of Connecticut can give us a real Democratic Senator and we can have real Majority leader, and a Democratic head of the DSCC -who helps elect real Democrats..
Joe Lieberman - Our Next Secretary Of Defense?
Oh boy, Whiffle-Bats for everyone!!!
Liberal AND Proud @ 22:
Count on it.
They both hate mirrors
One because he has no reflection
The other because he does.
Has it ever been determined if McCain shared his McNuggets with that lobbyist?
Loserman has been such a reliable waterboy for the GOP, it's pretty apparent that if McCain is elected President, he's going to have his pick of plum assignments. This will be Joe's payday for all the selling out and backstabbing he did to his Democratic Party colleagues.
MountainMan23 @ 30:
Ergo, we should all watch closely at who Obama picks as his running mate . And no, if Billary wins you can bet the Crawford ranch it won't be Barrack .
Richard @ 21:
Well said. Thank you.
WhenIsItEnough @ 14:
redicules ! gen betrayus will be to busy takeing it up his hump daily at the crafish ranch in texas serviceing bushes pecker!
ysbaddaden @ 48:
LMAO
nirak @ 33:
Not necessarily in in that order though - we will have created this beast!
thats scary.
Please, make sure the world knows these plans; the Democrats need to shout this from the rooftops.
This association alone would be worth 2-3 points in the general election for the Democratic candidate.
would McCain be Clinton's Secretary of Defense?
killthepoor @ 58:
Joe Lieberman. I don't put anything past Hillary, either.
i'll keep it short and sweet:
i fucking hate LIEberman.
Matt Hussein in Texas @ 34:
And in case you haven't noticed it's the same Necons that installed Bush in 2000.
killthepoor @ 58:
Either that, or Clinton has sucked up sufficiently to McSame now to become his VPOTUS.
[Deleted. Do NOT post in ALL CAPS here-Sitemonitor]
ron @ 63:
Dude, turn your "caps lock" button off, will ya?? Thanks
Let's see. If Bush doesn't make it to 'End Times,' McCrazy wants a crack at it?
CLINTON OR OBAMA.... this story is proof that the DEMs need to stick together
OH SNAP. Spitzer resignedzor? NOOOOOOOO
geneHUSSEIN214 @ 59:
Cause she is part of the same corporatist cabal.
We need a totally pristine candidate. A candidate who has shown the courage to run against the stream of popular opinion, willing to stand up to a President, a candidate with integrity, moxie and good lucks.
Barney the Dog for President!!
Spitzer rezignedddd.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7292235.stm
L.A. Confidential @ 61:
This earth is our earth
This earth is my earth
From Houston Texas
To the Dubai Highlands!
ron @ 63:
The elephant is duely noted, Ron. It's been so obvious for the past 60 years that commenting on it is superfluous.
I hate it when that happens
What's next, White House Press Secretary James Dale Guckert?
CheneyIsADick @ 71:
Don't confuse ron with me please.
Richard @ 21:
wrong
his loyalties lie not with america, not with israel, but with himself
jebus.love.me @ 6:
And Iran's certain retaliation which the Republicans never seem to consider.
L.A. Confidential @ 27:
Don't forget his good lobbyist buddy Charlie Black! He's one of McCain's top advisers in the campaign and is one of the main lobbyists for United Technologies Corp. UTL just attempted the hostile takeover of Diebold last week. And everyone on this thread knows that Diebold is the corporation that currently controls 80% of all the touchscreen voting machines in the United States.
I'm quite certain that if that deal goes through McCain will be a shoe-in and Charlie Black will at a minimum become Ambassador to France or some other plum position.
Just as it happened before the Iraq war, it is happening again - Iran is now the target. Birth pangs Condi eh? Ahmadinejad is the new hitler, just like Saddam was the old one, eh?
Is Israel to blame for the Iraq war?
Joe O. @ 77:
Or Russia's, or China's, Pakistan's, Europe's, Canada's, or any other country on this planet's...
So is it Tapioca night here at The Shade Tree Retirment Comunity and Rest home located at Curmudgeon Gardens, overlooking an Ocean of Death and Destruction, and sunny, torturess beaches being gently carressed by waves of innocent blood. Ahhh... Paradise.
Don't forget your crude oil!
Joe O. @ 77:
Agree. Plus, who are we going to borrow the money from this time?
Oh thats right... this administration can just keep printing MORE worthless money because that along with tax cuts for the rich has trickled down and saved America...right guys?
do what you got to do McCain, put the people in place that will protect this country..........
danger hussein @ 80:
Come on maaaan.
We'll be greeted as liberators.
chris @ 83:
Starting with you, Chris. There's a shortage at the recruitment centers, I understand. And you WILL be needed in Iran if McCain is elected. Cause or no cause, we will be going to war with them.
Until the rest of the world completely isolates us and makes it economically impossible for us to continue. Then we'll get to see what it was like to live in the last days of the Weimar Republic.
I don't see that there is any need to worry about McCain and Co. starting war with Iran. Darth Cheney and his little chimpy sockpuppet will make sure it's already well underway before the election.
It didn't scare a lot of you here when Lieberman was on Gore's ticket!
This country is SO fucked.
The corporate elites have the Democratic nomination all tied up in knots. They have their nominee sewn up on the GOP side. It's all good for them.
slippy hussein toad @ 85:
Why wait Chris, you want to be ready on January, 2009 plus they could give you some OJT in Iraq.
Aziz @ 87:
He hadn't emerged from his crysilis yet.
Aziz @ 87:
How would you know? You were probably 12 at the time.
StevePam @ 84:
And the oil revenues will pay for the war.
Maybe they could create a new cabinet position for him under the title, "Secretary of Offense". He would be just the man for the job.
Liberal AND Proud @ 92:
ANd it will be over in 6 days or 6 weeks but not more than 6 months.
Nice to see everything is still so perfect in "our Democraticland". I'll say this again, I'd love to see BO as the Prez but this is not the time. It pisses me off (but I understand the ignorance that surrounds it) that Americans don't know their own history. It's deplorable.
Here you are, up front in calling down McCains alledged administration and yet, nobody talks about what might make up up Obamas administration. This is where I have serious doubt.
First of all, America (especially the South) will have to get over being led by "the black thing" . But it only takes one crazy plan and one crazier person to do the job (RFK, MLK, JFK, ring a bell...shit, there was one that went after Reagan)
Now it makes it a lot easier for idiots to find a reason to do this job if he has a white person to fill his/her shoes. If the VP on the ticket is black as well....he just doesn't win.
With Americas history, how long do you think a black President will last in officeand does it become riskier by the number of other blacks he has holding key positions in his administration? Again, going on your history.......
I really believe, the Dems have a better chance at 16 years in the WH if Clinton gets in and the rest of the USA can get a view and evaluation on Obama from the second and safer spot. This is too much of a fastlane for 1/2 of of the USA to accept.
It's sad but it's true and yesterdays newspapers tell you why. Try reading one.
This isn't my Canada we're talking about.
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we're doomed, Doomed, DOOMED!
EliteLemming @ 81:
Liberal AND Proud @ 94:
And McCain will land on an aircraft carrier with a big sign that says..."Objectives Completed!"
Ron @ 89:
Unlike most of you libs on this site I did my piece... Been weak on national security does not play well with America, which is why dem's will never be trusted with the White House
razant @ 95:
razant, your "couldn't, shouldn't, wouldn't" arguments for nominating HRC instead BO are worn out to the point of being pathetic. It's time to move along.
Liberal AND Proud @ 94:
Even if we have to go to war with the Army we have, not the Army we want it will be over in a week or a day or a weekday...
Liberal AND Proud @ 99:
McCain's sign would say..."Objectives Completed My Friends!"
Maybe this is just me but does anyone else smell something in Denmark? Hear me out:
For the last few months I have gotten this really strong feeling that the government is slowly morphing into a one party type rule. It seems to me that the philosophies of the current group vying for power all have extremely similar beliefs and stances, based not only on their voting records, but also on the people the media is reporting.
The state run media companies are all promoting or covering people that seem to be all the same person, so to speak. There is absolutely zero diversity in philosophy. The media knows this so I think they instead focus on that which is absolutely meaningless, namely race and gender, and then call THAT diversity. I think we should all think of diversity as differences in philosophy, not outward appearances. I mean, why focus on race and gender? What, is it because there has never been a woman candidate or a black President? As far as I know, there has also never been a redhead President, or a President over 6 foot 5, or a President that wears their hair in a ponytail, or a President that has green eyes. I feel so completely insulted that I am being told with seriousness by the media that diversity means only race and gender. That is so completely superficial and meaningless. REAL diversity is a rich and varied group of THINKERS, who each have varying philosophies on life and liberty.
What I see is NOT diversity. AT ALL. There is ZERO diversity not only between the candidates, but also who they consult with, who they consider for staff, etc. A one party rule state is always formed by the current social trends and philosophies of the people. It's sociological, not political. If the populace (including the media, and most importantly the universities) were more enlightened, then there would be ZERO mention of race or gender being called "diversity". This is a self imposed delusion to make us think we have a wide open field to choose from. I sense that we don't.
Just look at what is going on. McCain is the front-runner for the GOP, and he is rather liberal. Lieberman on his staff? On the other side, Obama has voted along with the GOP on most issues (funding Iraq occupation, REAL ID, Patriot Act, etc), so he is rather conservative. Hillary? I guess I don't really need to say anything about her, everyone knows she's a conservative wolf in sheep's clothing (she endorsed McCain(!) and she has numerous conservative advisors).
It really look like the Iraqi Occupation and constant fear mongering of terr'ism has taken a toll on the country's perceptions of how the state should be organized. I don't think anyone has NOT either heard or thought themselves that this country IS in fact turning fascist. Slowly. I think one of the biggest misconceptions most people have (this is known by the state) is that radical change, if done slowly, can be done without the people even knowing it. Bit by bit, more and more freedoms are taken away and, concurrently, the state becomes more and more powerful, which results in a higher degree of "centralization". This "centralization" is what I am observing. Maybe I am alone on this one, but it seems as though we are moving in the direction of a one party rule. Perhaps the Constitution is being ripped apart because that is the only way to eliminate checks and balances between the three pillars of the state, which must be done in order to create a one party government.
I am sorry to say this but I think the remaining candidates do not represent either democrats or republicans. They do not represent libertarians either, that's for sure too. So WHO are they? We, of course, must be able to label them as SOMETHING. We cannot use democrat or republican...maybe "moderate"? But even then there is the problem of determining exactly what THAT means (there is no clear answer). You know what I think? I think our society has simply forgotten how to properly view our surroundings. We have forgotten how to view our country from the once known, and logical, perspective of the state versus society.
I think all of us can agree that each of the people in place to win do not represent the average citizen of this country. In all cases, the candidates are "enemies" of at least half the population! How did this ever come to be? I'll tell you! It came to be once society viewed the state not solely as protectors, which is what the purpose of it really is, but rather as an institution by which we can "get something from it" if we solicit it. I think this came to be because people have not taken the fall of socialism seriously enough. I think too many people think it fell for reasons other than the fact that society cannot live by soliciting the state for benefits and expect to prosper. The state cannot make society "prosper". It can only take from some and give to others. It cannot ADVANCE society's prosperity in a positive sense. It can only use force.
Once society begins to accept that it is commonplace and "normal" to pander to, or seek, the state for things other than protection from each other's violence, the result is short term gain for some, and long term pain for the same people and others. Since our society is seeking the state's help way too often and has been for many years, mostly due to the now globalized marketplace and our fear of not being able to maintain our standard of living under free competition, the results have been nothing but catastrophic. Big business is seeking the state's help, and anti-business people are seeking the state's help too. Not a lot of people are saying this whole set up is HARMFUL. But their numbers are growing. Once society understands that the state is not a place to get help, like it was before the New Deal, then these numbers will get bigger. THEN it will be a country of the state AGAINST society, EXACTLY like it was for monarchical England against the founding fathers. This country became amazing because the philosophy of these gentlemen was INDEPENDENCE. THAT'S what this country DESPERATELY needs. A sense of INDEPENDENCE among the citzenry.
Too many of us are children who never grew up. It's not the people's fault, because they were born into the system of the state running all aspects of our lives. But all of us are one day going to have to leave our parents basement. Cuz eventually the house is going to disappear anyway.
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How about John Bolton for Secretary of State? That's what scares the hell out of me.
chris @ 83:
and while your at it john make sure your blood pressure and colestol meds are up to date . chris wants to be safe!
Chris @ 100:
Unlike most of you libs on this site I did my piece… Been weak on national security does not play well with America, which is why dem’s will never be trusted with the White House
Oh, I forgot. Under which president's administration did 9/11 happen? Nuf said!
jebus.love.me @ 6:
I caught the tail end of a segment on cnn...talking about how with Fallon gone is war with Iran more likely to happen? I guess I shouldn't be surprised at how fast the media would start beating the drums of war again. How many more lives will be lost before these madmen are stopped? Will they ever be stopped? How many more billions of record profits will exxon/mobil have when gas goes to $10 a gallon.
If the sniping between the two remaining Dem candidates and their supporters and surrogates continues at the level we are currently seeing, McCain's election and Lieberman's post are all but assured.
Limbaugh is laughing his ass off (and it's a very large ass).
chris @ 83:
I bet McCain is glad that you feel that way. With the U.S. ground forces overstreched and unable to provide a sizeable force against Iran while holding Iraq, Afghanistan among other places at the same time McCain will sure need some new volunteers. Saddle up cause your going!
104 Drew Says:
I won't qoute you there's to much, you make a powerful arguement and I'm in agreement. To make things worse ai feel powerless to do anything about it. People say get active, but active in what? The same old BS or tie some dynomite to my chest?
chris @ 100:
so, if i understand you correctly a weakened and over-extended military, with increased terrorism, with swelling recruits to extremist organizations, america's isolation in the world and the fact that more and more people across the world view america as the greatest threat to world peace is your idea of being strong on national security?
neocons never fail to amaze me with their lack of comprehension and their refusal to accept any information that doesn't jibe with their insular, myopic, jingoistic, xenophobic and ignorant world view.
chris @ 83:
This is how McCain kept us safe from Bin Laden.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8TFKXHiefs
Thats right. He was before CUT AND RUN before he was against it!
Had he let B Clinton finish the job or "stay the course" or "surge" We may never have been attacked by Saddam or Obama or whoever YOU think attacked us!
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I SEE DEAD PEOPLE
This looks to fit right in with the NeoCon plan. They just got rid of the last guy with enough balls to speak out against bush and the Administration (Admiral Fallon), next they need another totally bullshit warmonger like McSame and Lieberman and they can take the country to war to continue feeding their Military Industrial Machine.
No John, you can’t be president.
No John, once you fought against big tax cuts for the rich
and now you’re for them.
No John, once you trashed Jerry Falwell and despised Karl Rove, and now you think they’re OK.
No John, once you let us think you were reasonable about choice, and now you’re not.
No John, once you were against the war and now you’re for the war.
And maybe other wars.
No John, once you bravely stood up against torture, but you voted against a bill to stop this.
No John, once you were against George Bush and now you’re for him and he’s for you.
No John, you are a hero, but you’re also a politician.
No John, you’re too angry and your hair-trigger temper could start another war.
No John, you can’t be president.
http://www.nojohn.com/
It would be like a F$%^ing zombie film
better take a damn good look at what we should expect if leiberman is anywhere NEAR the next administration.
"we should conduct a pre-emptive strike against iran as soon as possible:"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjMRgT5o-Ig \
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/jour.....watch.html
yes . . . it's the same john hagee who just endorsed mccain. if this doesn't frighten the shit out of you, you're an enemy of the united states i was raised in.
Don't it make ya warm and fuzzy inside?
Blech!!!
shriekkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
EliteLemming @ 111:
I understand how one could feel powerless in this society as it is unfolding. It's sort of like we are all getting operated on by surgeons, but the anesthesea hasn't quite made us unconscious. We are paralyzed, yet conscious, we are not in direct pain, but we sense that we are being manipulated. There is no pain, because we cannot locate where it is coming from, but there is an extreme discomfort.
But I try to think this to myself:
If I convince myself that I am powerless, at the same time as I see that things are not going well for me and the country, then I need help right? If I need help, then WHO is going to help me? If I accept that I am powerless, then I must also accept that others can be powerless as well, for they are human as well. The difference between us all is how we think, not what material surroundings we have or who listens to us. The latter things follow from the former, not the other way around. If I thought that others are not powerless and so they can fix things, then all I would have to do is observe them and emulate them. Problem solved. But if they too need help, then what? That's why it is imperative that I do NOT convince myself that I am powerless. How do I convince myself of that? By always cherishing the fact that I have choice in a world where others have choices too. If I ask you what is better, to be powerless and not know the world and yourself sell, or to be powerless and know as much as you can about the world and yourself, what would you say? The second one right? Well, the second one IS IN YOUR CONTROL. Nobody can stop you, so the choice is yours, you have the freedom to educate yourself about as much as you can. Sure, you may spend lots of time away from things that society perhaps put on your plate, but as long as there is nothing physical to stop you, there is no reason why you can't be powerless yet educated! Who knows, maybe that will allow you to shed some of that powerless feeling.
We're invading Iran regardless of which puppet is "elected".
Gary @ 123:
over the dead worthless body of my deflated devalued shrinking dollar
oops,
meant to say
"know the world and yourself Well" not sell.
Wow, Lieberman as Donald Rumsfeld redux? That is actually a very scary thought. I can see this guy basically wanting to take over the middle east.
On the flip side Obama, could, should, and hopefully will pick Chuck Hagel as his Sec. Defense. I like Hagel, and Obama of course, and think that would be a great move.
This move, on the other hand, makes me weep for humanity. Welcome to bizarro world people.
Agent Provocateur @ 127:
Maybe the way to reunite the Dems when the nominating dustup is finally resolved is to show ads with Liebermann as Sec Defense. That should scare people into voting for their second favorite candidate and ensure a nice turnout for whoever the eventual Dem nominee is.
Can’t we pin a scandal to Lieberman already and get him out of office? Man I’d pay to find out he was getting filthy with some hookers.
First of all, no self-respecting madam would admit to having Joe Lieberman on her books unless she got seven figures from Larry Flynt.
Which makes me wonder what happened to the DC Madam's list, because Lieberman would have been on it - with some young Congressional pages, no doubt.
Second, I don't think no self-respecting call girl would admit that she screwed Lieberman without disclosing how much she got paid. Not to mention disclosure of details that might make me hurl my lunch.
Now, there's a team. holy joe is no more than a war mongering repug in dem/independent's clothing.
Peeps...you better know that "what you see is what you get". If you are ready to invade Iran and continue this f*cking mess in Iraq for the next hundred years...should we all survive that long...then these would be your "dream team".
As for me, I think it's the team from hell.
Sigh @ 128:
That actually sounds like a really effective ad in Connecticut. Not that the Dems really need to worry about winning the state. But with the hatred of Lieberman there, the ad could work.
McCain as President and Lieberman as Secretary of Defense? I really need to look into moving out of here so I'm prepared should that happen. I'm thinking England, Sweden, or Denmark. Any suggestions? I'm not really sure if anywhere on this planet is safe anymore, though.
Wouldn't this also be possible it Clinton were elected? She campaigned for him.
chris @ 100:
Exactly! That's why the reich-wing will be a permanent minority. Iraq has NOTHING to do with national security.
And, what "piece" did you "do?
> The very thought of Lieberman as head of State, Defense or DHS scares the hell out of me.
Well, thank Nader that he's not the vice president right now, right?
All you need to know about Liebercain and Hillary.
Oy vey!!! First Spitzer, now Lieberman .........Oy!
Scopata Lieberman e scopata McCain, sono entrambi i idiots.
Joe Lieberman is one of the top people in the Democratic party.
He was considered to be among the best and the brightest leaders in the party, fully qualified to be commander-in-chief and nominated for the vice presidency.
Those progressives who disagreed and voted otherwise have been systematically slandered, abused and insulted for exercising their constitutionally protected right to vote for whatever candidate they want. This slander came from Democratic party loyalists who all but explicitly state that the Democratic party has an absolute RIGHT to the vote of any non-Republican, certainly any anti-Republican.
The legitimate and valid reasons for not supporting the Democratic party were repeatedly dismissed and disregarded. The sanctimonious refrain was that a vote for anyone BUT Lieberman was a betrayal of the core VALUES of being a progressive voter.
Would Gore/Lieberman have been as bad as Bush/Cheney? Almost certainly not. That's practically inconceivable.
But it galls me to the core of my being for the same party to now proclaim Lieberman a traitor and to scapegoat HIM. LIEBERMAN never changed. LIEBERMAN has always been this guy. LIEBERMAN is who YOU PEOPLE nominated. Those who would not vote for him were called the traitors, remember? He didn't suddenly become a Middle East war hawk. It's just that that agenda wasn't foremost in the public attention until 9/11.
This is more than sour grapes, because right now YOUR candidates, Democrats, YOUR candidates are in the process of fucking up what should be the easiest cakewalk election in history. They are practically stumbling over themselves to endorse John McCain over their rivals in the same party. They are accusing each other of being racists, misogynists, naive dupes and disingenuous liars who will say anything to get elected.
Where will you turn, Democrats, when McCain's machine hurls all that invective back in your miserable faces? To whom will you appeal?
You may, if you wish, try to find some way to blame this impending fiasco on Ralph Nader or the Green Party or some other handful of liberty-loving Americans, but at the end of the day you know that problem lies in yourselves and not in your stars.
We are tired. We are tired of being angry and scared and hopeless. We are tired of picking sides in meaningless proxy fights over who said what about who's momma. You are presuming to be the leaders of the free world and you are acting like petulant children.
We are well and truly fucked. We have a trillion dollar money hose pouring our future down a hole in Iraq and, have no illusion, no president (NO PRESIDENT) will get us out of there before the turn of the decade. We're in there, for years. It will cost trillions. We will have no money for anything else.
There's no "3 AM phone call" coming. We're in the mess, right now. And you would have us choose between bickering adolescents?
You have no one but yourselves to blame for what is about to happen. Remember that.
Secretary of Defense? For Israel right?
Richard @ 22:
I absolutely agree. He and his supporters are all traitors: Even if it means destroying America, as long as Israel benefits. Today yet another Israeli politician has been barred form entering the U.K. so obviously the U.K. understands where these extremists come from.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3531919.ece
At times I may joke in this forum...I think it's because so much seems to be out of our control, but trust me I take it all very seriously. I honestly believe that the biggest problem is that most people don't. With that in mind I will offer THIS reality check.
We have seen over the last 5 years, 4,000 of our military men and women killed and many more injured, in an unprovoked war fought under false pretenses and orchestrated for no other reason than to enrich the privileged few.
I am the father of a 16 year old son. So, I have a vested interest in not wanting to see another unprovoked aggression that would cost not only his life, but the lives of thousands of his peers. It's a fact that our military cannot fight another war in its present condition, so...come hell or high water...a draft will be initiated...out of pure necessity...and people's patriotism will be called into question to cow them into going along with it. To those that question MY patriotism, for what i am about to say...I say to them this...when the national security of this nation IS genuinely in danger, when the hordes of enemy are amassed at our shores and our nation and our way of living are under siege, when our national interests REALLY ARE at stake...trust me..it will be ME that puts the gun in his hand. But I will not see him sacrificed for the folly of withered old men who don't care enuf of this country to back up their rhetoric by putting their own children in the firing line. They want a draft. So be it. EVERYONE GOES. No exceptions. Certainly no exceptions for the children of the patriotic cowardly that point the finger of accusation at others and scream "Traitor" while hypocritically cowering behind privilege.
And I say to everyone else...on all sides of the political spectrum. If you allow your destiny, and the futures and of all of our children to be jeopardized by the ambitions of withered old men of privilege, without justification, then you deserve all that you get. Therre will be no sorrow and no apology from me...and no redemption for you.
JasonS @ 139:
My friends, he's right,we should all just give up...quit...after all,this is the toughest thing we have ever come up against as a country!
The nominating proscess is pretty much insurmoutable too. My friends it's too late... stop. You have no one but yourselves to blame for what is about to happen.
hahahaa.
"If Sen. John McCain (D-AZ)"
I am amused McBush is mis-identified as a democrat in the article. Ha! Talk about a nightmare.
NOT IF JOHN EDWARDS (our next attorney general) or BARACK OBAMA (our next president) have anything to say about it
The Secretary of Defense position used to be called the Secretary of War. McPlayboy and Loverman are so retro that they'd likely go with the old school title.
Liberal AND Proud @ 142:
Your post is honest and true. I have friends with draft age or soon to be draft age children. I pray every day that our country comes to it's senses and doesn't squander their lives in these pointless wars built on lies, greed, and corruption. From battle, and murder, and sudden death, Dear God protect us all.
> My friends, he’s right,we should all just give up…quit…after all,this is the toughest thing we have ever come up against as a country!
Truly, I cannot let this stand. Where did I suggest that we should give up? "Quit?"
No, I'm saying that the same self-destructive patterns that led the Democrats to twice (TWICE!) cede the White House to an idiot manchild are in play again, right now.
It is certainly NOT too late to turn it around, though I fear it will happen anyway.
We all have the opportunity here. Our candidates are crying out for leadership, and yet we continue to FOLLOW their childish tantrums instead of reminding them, politely, that they represent our best hope against McSame and that we need them to pledge to work together, whoever the nominee is, to fix this mess and to STOP APPEALING TO THE WORST DEMONS OF OUR NATURE.
Or we can spend the next eight years cursing Ralph Nader again. The choice and the power are both ours.
McCrazy and Senilerman. Flying Spaghetti Monster, help us all.
JasonS @ 148:
Friend, where I think StevePam understood your post as one of giving up, is when you said this:
"You have no one but yourselves to blame for what is about to happen. Remember that."
When innocent people are told it's their fault if things go badly, they tend to think OK, if I am trying to do good but the results are bad, maybe my methods just aren't what this country needs, maybe OTHER people should take charge of the task. It is this ceding to others that innocent people tend to do if they are told they are at fault.
I understand what you are trying to say, in that collectively all the people in society produce leaders who make decisions and if those decisions are bad then the fault ULTIMATELY lies with the people, but you jump to conclusions when you blame CURRENT citizens. What is happening in this country has been the product of GENERATIONS of people, not just ours. I mean, the people making the BIGGEST mistakes in this country are much older than the people today that you are blaming. The problems are in the underlying philosophy and school system in this country, it isn't the Joe Smith's or Suzy Q's who live down the street that are at fault directly.
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